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Future of HHN airport

Wed Nov 02, 2016 4:23 pm

With Ryanair opening a base in FRA and just started flights from LUX, do you think in the long term HHN can stay open if FR scales back operations there?
Compared to FR, the freight amount in HHN isn't that big and for sure won't justify to keep the airport open if one day FR moves out completely.
 
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Re: Future of HHN airport

Wed Nov 02, 2016 4:33 pm

HHN has no future, at least as an airport.....
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Re: Future of HHN airport

Wed Nov 02, 2016 4:40 pm

Ryanair is starting (or has started recently) Tangiers, Timisoara and Ponta Delgada from HHN.

I see a market for those thin destinations that might not work "only" or from "all" FRA, LUX and CGN. This is the way Ryanair uses GRO or REU now.
 
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Re: Future of HHN airport

Wed Nov 02, 2016 5:47 pm

The RLP Government intends to sell the operating firm and they have received 6 offers from bideders and all of them want to continue HHN as an Airport. FR just signed an Extension of 5 years in which they will operate from HHN and they have ther own catchment area. HHN has a future.
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Re: Future of HHN airport

Wed Nov 02, 2016 6:15 pm

Yepp, but as far as I know FR didn't commit to the number of planes/flights. Another point is that the airport isn't profitable. The loss is mainly because of the discount FR and the other LCC's are getting.

Freight is also going down... frankly there isn't reason why RLP should burn more money
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Re: Future of HHN airport

Fri Nov 04, 2016 9:07 am

FR stated in their FRA press conference that they still intend to transport 2.2 million pax at HHN, so it seems they are committed to it, as long as the airport remains an airport and is not turned into a shopping mall, that is.

Ultimately, HHN and all the other German regional airports suffer from a lack of a national airport strategy, which means that only the big airports reap in their profits while the regionals are abandoned to their own and condemned to survive on subsidies.

There seems to be another fundamental problem as well: an airport with 2.5 million pax should be able to break even... are there perhaps Germany-specific higher costs that regional airports must deal with? The break-even passenger numbers for airports in Germany seems to be higher than elsewhere.
 
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Re: Future of HHN airport

Fri Nov 04, 2016 9:35 am

The Airport operating Company loses Money, mainly because they are run as an authority, over staffed and there has been corruption cases as well. Like the wife of an Airport Manager running a company that sells services to the Airport. Such things, mainly bad efficiency, can be overcome by privatisation.
The many firms that are directly involved at and with the Airport make money, employ People who in turn contribute to the public coffers. Many of those would be unemployed in a structural poor area with Little other sources of employment, Companies would leave, the whole downscaling would be more epensive than keeping the place open

That Airports can be run efficiently as private corporations is proved in Weeze (NRN) . The opposite example of how it should not be done is demonstrated at KSF where potential customers are chased away. Who wants to land at an Airport which will possibly be closed. Even there, the contribution to the national economy is about 40 Mio € p.a.vs. a loss of some 6 Million of the operating Company which would not go substantially down of the Airport would be closed. Even worse, a worldwide operating firm located in the Region, has started cargo flights to KSF, how can politics jeopardize such developments?
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Re: Future of HHN airport

Fri Nov 04, 2016 10:37 am

Hahn is still sort of a success. It kept and created new jobs and tourism and income in the remote Hunsrück mountain area after the US Forces left. While being in the red numbers by itself, below the line it seems to earn money for it's region,
But the local government does not want to put more money in it as they burned their budget elsewhere at some über-expensive failed racetrack project. So it looks like the airport has to suffer and live on it's own while high taxes move it's cost up and competitors ahead.
 
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Re: Future of HHN airport

Fri Nov 04, 2016 3:07 pm

Noshow wrote:
Hahn is still sort of a success. It kept and created new jobs and tourism and income in the remote Hunsrück mountain area after the US Forces left..


Do you expect more passengers, when the new Hochmoselbrücke opens? That would improve airport connectivity to northern parts of Mosel, Eiffel area and Belgium/Netherlands.
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