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AF to operate Boeing 789 CDG-LHR

Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:06 pm
by HeathrowMatt
Air France will operate the Boeing 787-9 between Paris CDG and London Heathrow every day except Wednesdays between 6th Feb and 25 Mar 2017. Believe this is for crew training and type familiarisation. Similar to the A380 flights they did in 2010.


http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... e-in-1q17/

Re: AF to operate Boeing 789 CDG-LHR

Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:10 pm
by LAX772LR
...that's pretty much standard protocol for any new longhaul type of theirs. Same for BA.

Still, good to see.
Congrats on your first post.

Re: AF to operate Boeing 789 CDG-LHR

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 12:20 am
by AirbusA6
https://www.airfrance.co.uk/GB/en/local/resainfovol/meilleuresoffres/Dreamliner_787.htm?WT.mc_id=c_GB_display_facebook_787b112016_socads_null_null&WT.tsrc=display

What's interesting, is that they're making a big promotional thing out of it, I even saw an advert on my Facebook feed!

Re: AF to operate Boeing 789 CDG-LHR

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 12:44 am
by rocketPower
What's there to advertise? You don't get the benefits of better pressure and humidity on such a short flight, so it doesn't balance any of the disadvantage of absurdly narrow seats more common on 777/787s today.

rP

Re: AF to operate Boeing 789 CDG-LHR

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 12:46 am
by csturdiv
If it is their first example of the type going into revenue service, that is reason enough to advertise.

Re: AF to operate Boeing 789 CDG-LHR

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 12:47 am
by RacheyFlies
So is this the first flight for Europe short haul flight first before these 787's moving onto long haul?

Re: AF to operate Boeing 789 CDG-LHR

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 1:25 am
by Tedd
RacheyFlies wrote:
So is this the first flight for Europe short haul flight first before these 787's moving onto long haul?


No, BA will have done some when they had theirs some time ago, but they may not have been the first.

Re: AF to operate Boeing 789 CDG-LHR

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 8:40 am
by HeathrowMatt
Tedd wrote:
RacheyFlies wrote:
So is this the first flight for Europe short haul flight first before these 787's moving onto long haul?


No, BA will have done some when they had theirs some time ago, but they may not have been the first.


It's definitely not the first European 787 flights. I know Norwegian operated the 787-8's between Gatwick and Stockholm Arlanda for a short time in 2014. However I'm not sure if Air France have any plans to deploy these on any other short haul missions before they enter normal service.

Re: AF to operate Boeing 789 CDG-LHR

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 9:46 am
by DALCE
I still don't understand why AF does operate their new types to LHR and not to AMS. It would be far more logical, considering the ties to KL and the amount of transfer pax between AMS & CDG.
You could do some nice promo's and use it as a selling point, despite pax need to transfer from hub-to-hub.

Re: AF to operate Boeing 789 CDG-LHR

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 10:36 am
by MoonC
The second 787 arriving in May will also fly short-haul first for the same reasons, namely crew training and type familiarisation, on CDG - GVA.

Re: AF to operate Boeing 789 CDG-LHR

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 1:05 pm
by n729pa
DALCE wrote:
I still don't understand why AF does operate their new types to LHR and not to AMS. It would be far more logical, considering the ties to KL and the amount of transfer pax between AMS & CDG.
You could do some nice promo's and use it as a selling point, despite pax need to transfer from hub-to-hub.


KLM have already got the Dreamliner and what is there to promote by AF sending theirs to AMS? Taking passengers off KLM? When there's enough competition around you don't take it off your own "family" so to speak. I would imagine they are looking to interest the LHR travellers into using and considering AF via CDG as a future option. Besides the AMS-CDG flights are mainly A318s, given the volume and frequency of flights CDG-LHR, then I would say it's a bigger route for them. you can also get a train direct from AMS to central Paris, so a lot of travellers arriving at AMS would properly take the train, likewise it your in central Paris you can save time over travelling to the airport and check in times etc etc using the train instead.

When AF sent their A380 to LHR back in 2010, they were offering passengers from CDG, vouchers to spend at LHR T4, just to fly there and back, but then they had an average of 99% load factor I read later, and were trying to max out the flight deliberately as part of the training. If the 787 go tech on the day, they can easily scatter the passengers over a number of flights if they have too without perhaps necessarily putting a sub on.

Re: AF to operate Boeing 789 CDG-LHR

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 1:07 pm
by TheFlyingDisk
rocketPower wrote:
What's there to advertise? You don't get the benefits of better pressure and humidity on such a short flight, so it doesn't balance any of the disadvantage of absurdly narrow seats more common on 777/787s today.

rP


The fact that Air France has a new plane - that's what's there to advertise.

Re: AF to operate Boeing 789 CDG-LHR

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 2:17 pm
by B747forever
HeathrowMatt wrote:
Tedd wrote:
RacheyFlies wrote:
So is this the first flight for Europe short haul flight first before these 787's moving onto long haul?


No, BA will have done some when they had theirs some time ago, but they may not have been the first.


It's definitely not the first European 787 flights. I know Norwegian operated the 787-8's between Gatwick and Stockholm Arlanda for a short time in 2014. However I'm not sure if Air France have any plans to deploy these on any other short haul missions before they enter normal service.



BA also operated their 787s between London Heathrow and Stockholm when the type was new.

Re: AF to operate Boeing 789 CDG-LHR

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 8:00 pm
by kgaiflyer
Last time I flew that route, it was a 318 coming and a 321 going.

Yes, this is an interesting development.

Re: AF to operate Boeing 789 CDG-LHR

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 7:45 pm
by HeathrowMatt
According to the @Airlineroute Twitter handle, the 789 LHR flights have now been extended as far as 28 OCT 17. If correct it's interesting that AF will deploy the type on this route for such a length of time. Must be lots of crew to get trained!

Re: AF to operate Boeing 789 CDG-LHR

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 7:56 pm
by luftaom
I was looking at the weekend 787 flights LHR-CDG and they are all more expensive than the A319 flights the rest of the day. I'd say that they have got a few people interested.

Re: AF to operate Boeing 789 CDG-LHR

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 10:11 pm
by winterlight
Perhaps AF intend to "do a Finnair" and use them on short haul instead of having them sit idle in between long haul flights?

Re: AF to operate Boeing 789 CDG-LHR

Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:25 pm
by n729pa
Just been announced...

Air France in this week’s schedule update has extended Boeing 787-9 operation on Paris CDG – London Heathrow route, scheduled from 06FEB17. Previously, the 787-9 was scheduled to operate 6 times a week until 25MAR17, however this is now being extended until 28OCT17 inclusive.

AF1680 CDG0730 – 0750LHR 789 x3
AF1681 LHR0945 – 1205CDG 789 x3

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... -oct-2017/

Re: AF to operate Boeing 789 CDG-LHR

Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 4:11 pm
by thesaladdays
HeathrowMatt wrote:
Tedd wrote:
RacheyFlies wrote:
So is this the first flight for Europe short haul flight first before these 787's moving onto long haul?


No, BA will have done some when they had theirs some time ago, but they may not have been the first.


It's definitely not the first European 787 flights. I know Norwegian operated the 787-8's between Gatwick and Stockholm Arlanda for a short time in 2014. However I'm not sure if Air France have any plans to deploy these on any other short haul missions before they enter normal service.


LOT operated a series of promotional flights in 2012/13 on WAW - PRG/VIE/MUC/FRA/HAJ/KBP/BUD/BRU and for a period flew regularly to LHR, that was later in 2013 if memory serves.

Re: AF to operate Boeing 789 CDG-LHR

Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 6:47 pm
by goldorak
And the first AF 789 (ferry flight) has arrived in CDG this morning :-)

Re: AF to operate Boeing 789 CDG-LHR

Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:54 pm
by Freshside3
It's typical to try a new aircraft fleet type on shorter runs, before going to long-hauls. Several carriers have done this already. And a good promotion move, besides doing some of their own tests on it.