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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 147

Thu Dec 01, 2016 7:50 am

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Don't forget he's only talking about providing payment for the extra employees may not be anymore than 1-2mill


Maybe. But the linked article reports him to be talking about funds "to help pay for replicating Customs and border security functions at T3 and T4."

Is Barnett talking about a recurring expense like wages and salaries over several years or is he talking about a one-off contribution to installing eGates and dedicated customs and quarantine equipment? The article doesn't make this clear so all we really have is speculation at this stage.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 147

Thu Dec 01, 2016 8:30 am

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I'm interested when we will see some route announcements for the 789 for QF with PER-LHR an ongoing discussion with no conclusion in sight, and the AA/QF JV off the table (rumoured AA have shelved their MEL plans) does this in turn leave MEL-DFW in peril too. Will we see the 789 on current routes for the next 2yrs while QF reviews its ambitious plans.


My view is that the JV would have been nice for QF to have but it won't hold them back too much. They will still have access to AA's network and frequent flyer base and will still be the overwhelmingly dominant carrier across the Pacific.

So I wouldn't write MEL-DFW off just yet. I also wouldn't be entirely surprised to see the second SYD-LAX come back, especially if SYD-SFO were to drop down to a 789. I guess it depends on whether QF and AA plan to have another crack at a JV down the track.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 147

Thu Dec 01, 2016 10:30 am

Friday 2nd December (tomorrow) sees Vietnam Airlines bringing the B787 to Melbourne - will be great to see this in the VN colours in MEL

And Sunday 4th December sees the return of QF to the MEL-CHC sector.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 147

Thu Dec 01, 2016 10:39 am

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Sunday 4th December sees the return of QF to the MEL-CHC sector.
Q? When did QF last fly between MEL & CHC? How many years has the break in service been?

It's bizarre though that they are aping JQ's red-eye back-of-the-clock flights, with just an hour between them CHC-MEL, and only 20 min apart on MEL-CHC (arriving at 5-something in the morning). An eastbound overnight from Australia to NZ has to be one of the least attractive flights to take, anywhere. And on the CHC-MEL sector, on Fridays there are three late services - from QF (2005), JQ (2105) and VA (2155).
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 147

Thu Dec 01, 2016 11:05 pm

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Friday 2nd December (tomorrow) sees Vietnam Airlines bringing the B787 to Melbourne - will be great to see this in the VN colours in MEL


Also to Sydney. I just glanced up to the office window to watch the VN 787 do a loop around the city.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 147

Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:15 am

As pointed out in another thread, LAN to start 3 weekly SCL-MEL flights in Oct 17

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 147

Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:38 am

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As pointed out in another thread, LAN to start 3 weekly SCL-MEL flights in Oct 17

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1349041


This is so exciting ! IMHO I think its a smart move for LA to make MEL non-stop, it gives the airline a competitive edge over competitors, NZ and QF. MEL is already feeding large numbers via AKL and SYD, so it doesn't come as a surprise to finally see someone picking up MEL-Sth America, its a growing market with a lot of demand, I hope the route is a success for them!

I wonder what aircraft they are looking at using for the route, 789's or A359's?
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 147

Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:41 am

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As pointed out in another thread, LAN to start 3 weekly SCL-MEL flights in Oct 17

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1349041


I'd probably keep the champagne on ice for now as this is not yet confirmed by the airline.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 147

Fri Dec 02, 2016 5:10 am

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I wonder what aircraft they are looking at using for the route, 789's or A359's?


According to Ausbt it will be operated by the 789
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 147

Fri Dec 02, 2016 5:27 am

Just saw on another forum someone claiming

Perth T3/T4 upgrades to cater for Qantas will start Feb2017 and service is in process of being finalised.
Even quoted a price from Perth-London.. which seems far fetched.

Anyone else heard anything?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 147

Fri Dec 02, 2016 5:46 am

So if LA can operate 789s nonstop to Australia from South American then presumably QF will have no trouble doing so as well. Seems like a no-brainer to make the existing 4wk 744 a 7wk 789 and then go up to 744s for a few flights over the summer months if necessary.
 
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Fri Dec 02, 2016 5:51 am

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So if LA can operate 789s nonstop to Australia from South American then presumably QF will have no trouble doing so as well. Seems like a no-brainer to make the existing 4wk 744 a 7wk 789 and then go up to 744s for a few flights over the summer months if necessary.


That's seems like a very leisure heavy route for the premium configured 789. Maybe phase 2 of the 789 with a more leisure focused layout like NZ.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 147

Fri Dec 02, 2016 6:25 am

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Qatar Airlines to Canberra:

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-new ... szilh.html

"Qatar Airlines announces flights to Canberra with its list of new 2017/18 destinations"

There isn't a start date or frequency yet.

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The announcement of Canberra is a real surprise, and has me thinking whether perhaps this announcement is an insurance policy for the upcoming DOH-AKL launch from 7 February 2017.

DOH-AKL is a long long way, which burn burn lots of cash if the loads and yields aren't high.... and the fact is that QR will operate a daily flight compared to EK's daily non-stop and another 3 per day via BNE, SYD and MEL.

so maybe QR has announced Canberra as an option to tag with AKL? 3 per week in each direction?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 147

Fri Dec 02, 2016 6:33 am

Australia getting plenty of love at the moment, Melbourne first South American connect and Canberra getting its first and 2nd international route - all announced within 12 months - and not accounting for all the new connections to China.
 
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Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:05 am

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-02/l ... eg/8088398

777 too big for Canberra? Wouldn't a 787 be a better option.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 147

Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:59 am

The number doesn't include transiting passengers from WLG to SIN. I'd imagine CBR-SIN would 80%+ with transiting passengers included.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 147

Fri Dec 02, 2016 8:15 am

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So if LA can operate 789s nonstop to Australia from South American then presumably QF will have no trouble doing so as well. Seems like a no-brainer to make the existing 4wk 744 a 7wk 789 and then go up to 744s for a few flights over the summer months if necessary.

Except for the fact that QF will not have B789s for 12 months or so and when they get them I feel sure that other routes will be a higher priority. Also it will take time for QF to get the B789 certified by CASA for the necessary ETDO [a couple of years?] So it certainly could happen, but not soon.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 147

Fri Dec 02, 2016 8:29 am

FlyPelican to commence DBO-CBR flights from January 2107.

http://www.dailyliberal.com.au/story/43 ... ra/?cs=111
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 147

Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:51 am

OZ has revised A380 schedule to SYD, still starting from 26th December however will finish 2 weeks earlier on 21 January 17 rather than previously schedule of 5 February 17

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... y-service/
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 147

Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:56 am

Looks like CA is going daily on PEK-SYD year round

Air China in last week’s schedule update adjusted planned Northern summer 2017 operation for Beijing – Sydney route. From 26MAR17 to 28OCT17, the Star Alliance member operates this route on daily basis, instead of previously listed 5 times a week. This route is currently listed as A330-300 operation for NS17.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 147

Fri Dec 02, 2016 11:55 am

Both EK & EY have said they currently have no plans to fly to CBR

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-new ... t0fov.html
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 147

Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:24 pm

PR plans further Australia expansion using A321neos from late 2017

This could include

decoupling BNE from DRW to make BNE non-stop using A321neo aircraft
increasing SYD to 2 daily using A321neo aircraft
a further option to increase MEL from currently 3 weekly to daily using A321neo aircraft
DRW being reassessed, might be dropped once BNE is non-stop
No plans to operate non-stop to PER, PR does not see a big enough market to support non-stop A321neo flights

PR A321neo's will be configured 12 lie-flat business class seats and 160 economy seats, 172 in total

http://centreforaviation.com/analysis/p ... 017-315870
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 147

Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:56 pm

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That's seems like a very leisure heavy route for the premium configured 789. Maybe phase 2 of the 789 with a more leisure focused layout like NZ.


Except that the 744s are already pretty premium heavy. The ratio of premium seats on the 789s will be slightly higher but it won't exactly be a huge difference (something like 16% J on the 744s and 17% J on the 789s).

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Except for the fact that QF will not have B789s for 12 months or so and when they get them I feel sure that other routes will be a higher priority. Also it will take time for QF to get the B789 certified by CASA for the necessary ETDO [a couple of years?] So it certainly could happen, but not soon.


But they will have had them for 12 months 12 months after they get them won't they (try wrapping your head around that sentence!!). I never said SYD-SCL should be the first route, only that it could be a route.

Define "soon". I think SYD-SCL is likely within the first batch of 789s (so by the middle of 2019 which is only 2.5 years away).
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 147

Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:21 pm

VH-QPI returned to service today as QF51 after arriving in BNE from SIN this morning after being repainted into Qantas Silveroo (2016) livery

http://www.theqantassource.com/qantas-a ... intenance/
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Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:10 pm

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FlyPelican to commence DBO-CBR flights from January 2107.

http://www.dailyliberal.com.au/story/43 ... ra/?cs=111


Correction, January 2017!
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 147

Fri Dec 02, 2016 11:13 pm

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Define "soon". I think SYD-SCL is likely within the first batch of 789s (so by the middle of 2019 which is only 2.5 years away).


Here we disagree. Given current oil prices IMHO SCL will be much lower down the priority list than that.
Also while Sunrise Valley is the expert, not me, I don't think QF will be able to comply with the certification requirements for EDTO within that period. I don't remember the exact time frame but I think it takes 2-3 years of operating the type to get EDTO 330 approval. It took NZ something like that. AND that assumes that CASA will actually approve it, I've said before on here I'll believe that after QF completes one month of normal, commercial, passenger operations under that approval, not before!

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 147

Sat Dec 03, 2016 2:27 am

The WA government providing some cash makes sense. If there are benefits to WA from having these services, then it would be warranted.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 147

Sat Dec 03, 2016 2:30 am

qf789 wrote:
PR plans further Australia expansion using A321neos from late 2017

This could include

decoupling BNE from DRW to make BNE non-stop using A321neo aircraft
increasing SYD to 2 daily using A321neo aircraft
a further option to increase MEL from currently 3 weekly to daily using A321neo aircraft
DRW being reassessed, might be dropped once BNE is non-stop
No plans to operate non-stop to PER, PR does not see a big enough market to support non-stop A321neo flights

PR A321neo's will be configured 12 lie-flat business class seats and 160 economy seats, 172 in total

http://centreforaviation.com/analysis/p ... 017-315870


There had been talk of MNL-CNS-AKL switching to the A321NEO too.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 147

Sat Dec 03, 2016 3:33 am

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The number doesn't include transiting passengers from WLG to SIN. I'd imagine CBR-SIN would 80%+ with transiting passengers included.


Kinda of makes the CBR stop a waste of most of the passengers time then?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 147

Sat Dec 03, 2016 3:52 am

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Kinda of makes the CBR stop a waste of most of the passengers time then?


I may be missing your point.

Passengers from WLG have to stop somewhere on the way to SIN - the WLG runway isn't long enough for commercially viable non-stops - so why not stop at CBR?

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Sat Dec 03, 2016 3:59 am

zkncj wrote:
qf789 wrote:
PR plans further Australia expansion using A321neos from late 2017

This could include

decoupling BNE from DRW to make BNE non-stop using A321neo aircraft
increasing SYD to 2 daily using A321neo aircraft
a further option to increase MEL from currently 3 weekly to daily using A321neo aircraft
DRW being reassessed, might be dropped once BNE is non-stop
No plans to operate non-stop to PER, PR does not see a big enough market to support non-stop A321neo flights

PR A321neo's will be configured 12 lie-flat business class seats and 160 economy seats, 172 in total

http://centreforaviation.com/analysis/p ... 017-315870


There had been talk of MNL-CNS-AKL switching to the A321NEO too.


Or AKL going non stop on A333's I think that's the plan ultimately, it sounded like the route had a slowish start but had improved.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 147

Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:31 am

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Or AKL going non stop on A333's I think that's the plan ultimately, it sounded like the route had a slowish start but had improved.


PR also stated in same CAPA article the following

PAL is not looking at launching nonstop services to Auckland, which is not within the range of the A321neo and is too small a market to support widebody aircraft.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 147

Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:47 am

With this talk of CBR-AKL services, could it be worth out sourcing the service to the like of Alliance with an F70LR?

Looks like the F70LR has an range of 3,410km, CBR-AKL is looking around 2,304km.

Could an twice daily service work? with say 60 seats per service?
 
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Sat Dec 03, 2016 7:36 am

qf789 wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:

Or AKL going non stop on A333's I think that's the plan ultimately, it sounded like the route had a slowish start but had improved.


PR also stated in same CAPA article the following

PAL is not looking at launching nonstop services to Auckland, which is not within the range of the A321neo and is too small a market to support widebody aircraft.


Interesting thanks had not heard that, last I thought I read they hoped to grow AKL to a non stop but would obviously need a widebody.

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With this talk of CBR-AKL services, could it be worth out sourcing the service to the like of Alliance with an F70LR?

Looks like the F70LR has an range of 3,410km, CBR-AKL is looking around 2,304km.

Could an twice daily service work? with say 60 seats per service?


Who outsourcing? NZ? I couldn't see them doing that, I think they will give it a go sometime with an A320 3-4 weekly initially.
 
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Sun Dec 04, 2016 5:55 am

Australia & China announce "Open Skies" pact, removing previously capped approximately 67000 seats per week

http://www.ausbt.com.au/boom-in-austral ... -agreement

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-austr ... SKBN13T03P

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/quee ... 51bf9db305

With this announcement what are the next routes could we see announced?
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Sun Dec 04, 2016 6:24 am

qf789 wrote:
Australia & China announce "Open Skies" pact, removing previously capped approximately 67000 seats per week

http://www.ausbt.com.au/boom-in-austral ... -agreement

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-austr ... SKBN13T03P

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/quee ... 51bf9db305

With this announcement what are the next routes we could see announced?


Personally from a Melbourne point of view I would like to see

HGH-MEL
NNG-MEL
WUH-MEL

I would also like to see MU have the 77W on MEL-PVG year round :P
 
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Sun Dec 04, 2016 7:58 am

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Who outsourcing? NZ? I couldn't see them doing that, I think they will give it a go sometime with an A320 3-4 weekly initially.


Both Qantas and Virgin have done some outsource to Alliance at times, maybe this route could be one that works well with this model.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 147

Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:50 am

The QR announcement regarding CBR was simply a PR stunt. There is no fixed date on when flights are starting. I'm surprised how many people have taken the announcement as verbatim.

Domestic flights struggle out of CBR, and the fact that SQ are still 3 flights a week means that it's hardly doing great. NZ would know from the amount of codeshares it sells on VA, and now SQ, if the flight would be worthwhile starting. Obviously they see no business case for it.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 147

Sun Dec 04, 2016 10:09 am

Just a clarification, SQ is 4 x weekly on SIN-CBR-WLG.

I agree that it is early days on QR's CBR plans. They are hardly the most reliable airline at announcements and reality so we will see. I have my doubts on the viability of the route though but I guess things can work in interesting ways.

As for domestic routes struggling from CBR, not sure that is on point. Some routes have come and gone but overall it performs fairly well on a number of routes, especially with yields.
 
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Sun Dec 04, 2016 10:55 am

zkncj wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
Who outsourcing? NZ? I couldn't see them doing that, I think they will give it a go sometime with an A320 3-4 weekly initially.


Both Qantas and Virgin have done some outsource to Alliance at times, maybe this route could be one that works well with this model.


Alliance does not currently fly to Canberra from what I can see (probably occasional charter though). It would require the aircraft to operate BNE-CBR-AKL-CBR-BNE (or similar) and I assume the crew hours would run out, meaning overnighting in AKL (as opposed to a CBR-AKL-CBR rotation being done by same crew). That is, of course, unless they established a crew base in CBR and based one aircraft there to operate a daily flight. Still, I see it as unlikely.

Unless the flights could support an A320/737, I just don't see them happening. Personally, I think CBR-AKL could likely sustain an NZ service with feed on to North and South America but I think VA/QF would struggle without subsidy.

Thinking a little out of the box, QF could time the flights for an easy PER connection. Obviously they already have plenty of connection opportunities from AKL-PER via BNE, SYD and MEL but assuming CBR would be subsidising the service, it might be an option to increase passenger numbers on both routes. Could be something along the lines of:

AKL 1540 CBR 1730
CBR 1910 PER 2045 (existing QF719)

PER 1005 CBR 1700 (retimed QF718)
CBR 1830 AKL 2345

Given the majority of the passengers would likely be Australian or NZ passport holders, Customs procedures shouldn't take too long. It is no different to JQ's DPS-TSV-BNE run where pax clear customs in TSV and then get back on the same aircraft to BNE. In this case, it is timed so it could be operated by two aircraft (one PER-CBR-PER and one AKL-CBR-AKL) or just one (though not sure if that would work with Jetconnect vs Mainline)
 
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Sun Dec 04, 2016 11:38 am

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Just a clarification, SQ is 4 x weekly on SIN-CBR-WLG.

As for domestic routes struggling from CBR, not sure that is on point. Some routes have come and gone but overall it performs fairly well on a number of routes, especially with yields.


Apologises, four. The minimum in the contract that SQ signed with the ACT government for a good subsidy. Which I have no problem with.

Domestically, yields are what saves CBR. However, where you could once get B737s quite easily between SYD-CBR during peak times, you'll be lucky to get a B717. The Federal Government is also trying decentralise the APS so the population of CBR won't be growing fast anytime soon and is still recovering from the PS cuts from a few years ago.
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Sun Dec 04, 2016 11:53 am

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Unless the flights could support an A320/737, I just don't see them happening. Personally, I think CBR-AKL could likely sustain an NZ service with feed on to North and South America but I think VA/QF would struggle without subsidy.

Thinking a little out of the box, QF could time the flights for an easy PER connection. Obviously they already have plenty of connection opportunities from AKL-PER via BNE, SYD and MEL but assuming CBR would be subsidising the service, it might be an option to increase passenger numbers on both routes. Could be something along the lines of:

AKL 1540 CBR 1730
CBR 1910 PER 2045 (existing QF719)

PER 1005 CBR 1700 (retimed QF718)
CBR 1830 AKL 2345


CBR-AKL just wouldn't work for QF, even with a PER tag. Those timings you suggest would also potentially make PER-CBR unviable. There's a reason why QF, NZ or VA have never seriously considered the route.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 147

Sun Dec 04, 2016 1:35 pm

getluv wrote:

Domestically, yields are what saves CBR. However, where you could once get B737s quite easily between SYD-CBR during peak times, you'll be lucky to get a B717. The Federal Government is also trying decentralise the APS so the population of CBR won't be growing fast anytime soon and is still recovering from the PS cuts from a few years ago.


If my memory serves me correctly, Ansett (via Kendall) got the CRJ200s mainly for flights to/from Canberra and then not long after introducing them shuffled the BAe146-300's onto the BNE-CBR route because they were getting killed due to lack of business class on the CRJs.

I appreciate that 15 years later travel budgets and practices have completely changed.
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Sun Dec 04, 2016 7:05 pm

getluv wrote:
Domestically, yields are what saves CBR. However, where you could once get B737s quite easily between SYD-CBR during peak times, you'll be lucky to get a B717. The Federal Government is also trying decentralise the APS so the population of CBR won't be growing fast anytime soon and is still recovering from the PS cuts from a few years ago.


Yet the population of Canberra continues to rise - expected to hit 400,000 in 2016 with another 27,000 including Queanbyan - up from 355,000 in 2011. This is despite the departures of the Abbot years:

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-new ... mgnvs.html

"It's on for young and old as Canberra closes in on 400,000

"But at peak-Abbott, when he was sacking people at a rapid rate of knots, we were a losing a lot of people interstate, but that's slowed to a trickle, so the net impact of that is almost zero.

"There was a point, in our boom times, when we were adding nearly 10,000 new residents a year; that's more like 5000 or 6000 at the moment."


Add in the catchment areas - the coast and inland, Yass/Goulburn, e.g. - and it's a decent sized city, very attractive to visitors (domestic and international) with a high tourist spend:

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-new ... jhnm3.html

"Visitors spending more time and money in the ACT - tourism from China booms"

Whether AKL-CBR is viable is unknown to me, but it is surely worth the shot and would scarcely bankrupt an airline if it didn't work. I didn't think AKL-MCY was all that viable but it's run for several seasons, and expanded.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 147

Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:37 pm

Flights for LA's new MEL-SCL service have now been loaded into the GDS and is bookable ! :)

LA805 SCL 12:55 - 17:55+1 MEL 146 789
LA804 MEL 19:55 - 19:00 SCL 257 789

Congratulations for MEL, SCL and LA, this will be MEL's first connection into Sth America in a very long time!
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 147

Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:45 pm

kriskim wrote:
Flights for LA's new MEL-SCL service have now been loaded into the GDS and is bookable ! :)

LA805 SCL 12:55 - 17:55+1 MEL 146 789
LA804 MEL 19:55 - 19:00 SCL 257 789

Congratulations for MEL, SCL and LA, this will be MEL's first connection into Sth America in a very long time!


Wow, surprised the timings do not mirror any of the other NZ/Aust timings operated bv LATAM, this is very interesting. Looks like MEL have finally convinced an airline to operated in the quitest window possible. There are very few departures between 1900-2000.

Is there much a connection bank at SCL post 1900 ?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 147

Sun Dec 04, 2016 11:27 pm

getluv wrote:
Domestically, yields are what saves CBR. However, where you could once get B737s quite easily between SYD-CBR during peak times, you'll be lucky to get a B717. The Federal Government is also trying decentralise the APS so the population of CBR won't be growing fast anytime soon and is still recovering from the PS cuts from a few years ago.


Decentralising the APS may, depending on how it is structured, help drive domestic traffic to Canberra so long as senior management are still located there (close to the politicians other than Barnaby) and want face to face meetings. That said, video conferencing is getting very good these days...
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 147

Sun Dec 04, 2016 11:32 pm

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getluv wrote:
Domestically, yields are what saves CBR. However, where you could once get B737s quite easily between SYD-CBR during peak times, you'll be lucky to get a B717. The Federal Government is also trying decentralise the APS so the population of CBR won't be growing fast anytime soon and is still recovering from the PS cuts from a few years ago.


Yet the population of Canberra continues to rise - expected to hit 400,000 in 2016 with another 27,000 including Queanbyan - up from 355,000 in 2011.


I saw some population stats for Queanbeyan (including Jerrabomberra and Googong) the other day which stated 37,000+. And we (CBR-area residents) are repeatedly hearing there are a million people within a 2 hour drive of CBR airport (which would include much of the NSW south coast, the Snowy Mountains and the Central West). This is what brought Ikea and Costco to Canberra.

I agree that what QR announces and what QR ultimately does are sometimes different things, but I also think it's too early to call BS on this announcement - the announcement states eight new routes which will commence in the financial year 2017-18 (i.e. up to June 2018), much of which period is well beyond the period in which airlines offer seats for sale (generally 330-365 days ahead). It doesn't make a lot of sense to make a full, detailed announcement for a route which might not be bookable for another 8 months, when instead you can flag the route, then fully announce it a month or so before tickets go on sale.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 147

Mon Dec 05, 2016 1:27 am

kriskim wrote:
Flights for LA's new MEL-SCL service have now been loaded into the GDS and is bookable ! :)

LA805 SCL 12:55 - 17:55+1 MEL 146 789
LA804 MEL 19:55 - 19:00 SCL 257 789

Congratulations for MEL, SCL and LA, this will be MEL's first connection into Sth America in a very long time!


Interesting flight numbers if you ask me, skipping 802/803 could this mean LATAM are considering opening up another destination? BNE perhaps 3 x weekly?

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 147

Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:03 am

Wow, surprised the timings do not mirror any of the other NZ/Aust timings operated bv LATAM, this is very interesting. Looks like MEL have finally convinced an airline to operated in the quitest window possible. There are very few departures between 1900-2000.


Yes, this looks like LA has had to accept available gate slots which tends to confirm what most suspect in that MEL Int'l is now effectively at capacity from 6AM to 11AM and any growth during this window will have to be in aircraft size rather than more frequencies at least until T2 is extended/replaced.

Whether AKL-CBR is viable is unknown to me, but it is surely worth the shot and would scarcely bankrupt an airline if it didn't work. I didn't think AKL-MCY was all that viable but it's run for several seasons, and expanded.


MCY and CBR are very different destinations. MCY is a tourist destination in itself where visitors can spend a solid 7 days on the beach etc. CBR doesn't fit into this category. Whilst a worthwhile visit (though probably more interesting to Australians than int'l visitors), it is best part of a triangular visit to MEL and SYD rather than a standalone holiday in itself. I struggle to see AKL-CBR as a realistic route unless there is significant business demand currently being satisfied via the numerous services via SYD and willing to trade the drop in frequency with a direct service.

Thinking a little out of the box, QF could time the flights for an easy PER connection. Obviously they already have plenty of connection opportunities from AKL-PER via BNE, SYD and MEL but assuming CBR would be subsidising the service, it might be an option to increase passenger numbers on both routes. Could be something along the lines of:

AKL 1540 CBR 1730
CBR 1910 PER 2045 (existing QF719)

PER 1005 CBR 1700 (retimed QF718)
CBR 1830 AKL 2345


As well as the issue with flight timing, there is also the problem that the PER-CBR service would arrive at the QF gates. As I understand it, the int'l swing gates are down past the VA gates meaning the aircraft would need to be relocated during the CBR stop or alternatively all the transitting pax and luggage transferred to another aircraft which is time consuming and hardly convenient.
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