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DL livery modification coming?

Fri Nov 18, 2016 4:40 am

Saw this on Twitter; any further info?

@TheAviationBeat: Delta will have a 757 with a slightly altered livery coming out next week. Stay tuned for more information! Change may soon come fleet-wide.
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Fri Nov 18, 2016 4:53 am

Is this more than just the changes we saw with the 242t A330?
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Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:00 am

All the freshly painted planes come with Delta painted on the belly, I guess this is something different? Most likely not significantly different since they already painted older planes with the "new" paint scheme. Guess we find out next week.
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Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:08 am

They've also altered the blue color to a slighly bolder blue with a little more metallic.
 
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Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:09 am

My guess is that it will be something very minor. A change in font size. A new formula for determining where the blue on the underbelly goes, that sort of thing. DL's overall brand and visual image is one of the stronger ones out there. (HEAR THAT, UA???) They don't need to be making big changes.
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Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:12 am

A billboard DELTA would look pretty cool while still staying professional, IMO. Ceteris paribus.
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Re: DL livery modification coming?

Fri Nov 18, 2016 10:09 am

One rumor I was presented with on Twitter was that the red and blue will be a more pearl/metallic finish similar to Virgin Atlantic's. If true I think it should be quite nice.
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Fri Nov 18, 2016 12:56 pm

Wishful thinking here, but maybe a Delta retrojet? More realistically could it be a font change similar to Air France and the 787?
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Fri Nov 18, 2016 1:16 pm

Hopefully it comes with larger titles. Doesn't have to be billboard but anything larger than current would be an improvement.
 
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Fri Nov 18, 2016 1:37 pm

The recent uniform reveal had purple as a major component. There were rumors that the DL brand would be incorporating more purple. Perhaps this will be the first instance of this on one of their fleet?
 
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Fri Nov 18, 2016 2:20 pm

akelley728 wrote:
The recent uniform reveal had purple as a major component. There were rumors that the DL brand would be incorporating more purple. Perhaps this will be the first instance of this on one of their fleet?

OOoooh. More purple would be interesting. Kind of like Jetblue and the green after Mint....
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Hopefully it comes with larger titles. Doesn't have to be billboard but anything larger than current would be an improvement.

I agree. It is kindof hard to tell what most DL planes are if you don´t see the tail.
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Fri Nov 18, 2016 2:32 pm

Hopefully the DELTA and Widget will be larger. Other than that, it is a great livery.
 
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Fri Nov 18, 2016 3:05 pm

Perhaps DL has seen the light and will make their fuselage titles larger.

If they'd go billboard size like AA, that would look awesome :)
 
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Fri Nov 18, 2016 3:32 pm

I wonder if adding the widget on the winglet would also look good? Also I wonder if painting the engines blue on the MD80/90/717 would look good?
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Fri Nov 18, 2016 3:40 pm

Any resident artists feel the need to whip up an image of a DL jet with billboard titles? :)
 
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Fri Nov 18, 2016 6:55 pm

micstatic wrote:
I wonder if adding the widget on the winglet would also look good? Also I wonder if painting the engines blue on the MD80/90/717 would look good?


Now that is a gorgeous idea :)
 
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Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:03 pm

HermansCVR580 wrote:
Wishful thinking here, but maybe a Delta retrojet? More realistically could it be a font change similar to Air France and the 787?


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Re: DL livery modification coming?

Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:15 pm

Very hypothetical But go back to Delta Air Lines on the fuselage with "air lines" in a deep purple shade/tone to match uniforms?
 
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Fri Nov 18, 2016 9:35 pm

I'd love to see them paint two planes each with larger and billboard style logos. Let the employees vote which one they like the best.
 
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Fri Nov 18, 2016 9:51 pm

TWA772LR wrote:
A billboard DELTA would look pretty cool while still staying professional, IMO. Ceteris paribus.


Something like this?
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Fri Nov 18, 2016 9:54 pm

It hasn't been too long since they repainted virtually the entire fleet to have a consistent brand identity, rather than the hodgepodge of liveries that various "leaders" had felt it necessary to impose on the airline. Why screw with success? Unless it's a minor change, they would either have to go back to the days of multiple liveries or pay to repaint the whole fleet. American and United have copied the DL "single-identity" approach, and it is the correct one. Dean Baldwin and Leading Edge might be having their business slow down now that the post-merger painting is wrapping up at the majors, so I'm sure they would be thrilled, but is this really an expense that would have a meaningful payback?

And while I have liked the billboard ever since Midway Airlines and Pan Am did it, it makes no difference in anyone's selection of airline, nor does it meaningfully-increase the airline's exposure, particularly for a major.

It's not like you're trying to find your plane in a parking lot and need to see what airline it is from...
 
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Re: DL livery modification coming?

Fri Nov 18, 2016 9:58 pm

PHBVF wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
A billboard DELTA would look pretty cool while still staying professional, IMO. Ceteris paribus.


Something like this?
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Cha-ching!!!!! That's what I'm talking about:)
 
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Re: DL livery modification coming?

Sat Nov 19, 2016 1:08 am

PHBVF wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
A billboard DELTA would look pretty cool while still staying professional, IMO. Ceteris paribus.


Something like this?
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Re: DL livery modification coming?

Sat Nov 19, 2016 1:23 am

wjcandee wrote:
American and United have copied the DL "single-identity" approach, and it is the correct one

I think American did a pretty good job of having a single identity that had been around unchanged since the 1960s until 2013:



Continental likewise were fairly consistent, with one livery from the late 1960s until the early 1990s (admittedly with the change from black to red meatball and updates to the titles in that period, and some hybrids in the 1980s as they went through the Lorenzo mergers), and then a change which lasted from the early 1990s until the merger with United (and indeed has more or less continued since then)




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Sat Nov 19, 2016 1:49 am

It looks like the ship that will bear the alteration will be 5642.
 
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Sat Nov 19, 2016 1:58 am

It is the same color and scheme with different paint type. I believe it is called a "mica paint".
 
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Re: DL livery modification coming?

Sat Nov 19, 2016 2:07 am

TWA772LR wrote:
PHBVF wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
A billboard DELTA would look pretty cool while still staying professional, IMO. Ceteris paribus.


Something like this?
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I love it!


Please do it Delta!
 
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Sat Nov 19, 2016 2:18 am

Alnicocunife wrote:
It is the same color and scheme with different paint type. I believe it is called a "mica paint".


Correct. MICA gives it a more metallic look.
 
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Re: DL livery modification coming?

Sat Nov 19, 2016 2:22 am

"Something like this?"

I created that a few years ago.

"It hasn't been too long since they repainted virtually the entire fleet to have a consistent brand identity, rather than the hodgepodge of liveries that various "leaders" had felt it necessary to impose on the airline. Why screw with success? Unless it's a minor change, they would either have to go back to the days of multiple liveries or pay to repaint the whole fleet."

Every 6-10 years (varies by airline) planes get repainted. Regardless of a new livery or not, planes get repainted. Delta has already repainted several of its planes. Although you can see these changes (new modified liver, belly titles ,etc) these are very minute compared to an all new livery..
 
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Sat Nov 19, 2016 2:57 am

VirginFlyer wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
American and United have copied the DL "single-identity" approach, and it is the correct one

I think American did a pretty good job of having a single identity that had been around unchanged since the 1960s until 2013:


Agreed. My point was that airlines often had updated the livery plane-by-plane according to the repainting schedule, which was the old Delta way, and now Delta moved to an expensive total-repainting with the latest livery. Compare old US, which also had a hodgepodge of liveries. CO/UA and AA/US followed Delta in redoing their entire fleets with the updated livery.
 
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Re: DL livery modification coming?

Sat Nov 19, 2016 3:50 am

People seem to be really enjoying billboard titles nowadays... I'm not a big fan of them. I hope DL keep the small titles placed over the window line.
I actually only hope they change the paint for metallic ones and that's all. I really like DL livery and there's no need to change IMHO.
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Sat Nov 19, 2016 5:09 am

PHBVF wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
A billboard DELTA would look pretty cool while still staying professional, IMO. Ceteris paribus.


Something like this?
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Remove the the widget and move the letters up and it's perfect IMO. Widget on the fuselage ruins it for me.
 
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Sat Nov 19, 2016 5:35 am

PHBVF wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
A billboard DELTA would look pretty cool while still staying professional, IMO. Ceteris paribus.


Something like this?
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Re: DL livery modification coming?

Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:09 am

A slanted widget on the front door, similar to the old livery along with the billboard titles would look good.
 
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Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:26 am

I really love how the Delta livery stands today. I hope they don't mess it up.
 
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Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:31 am

Please, no billboard.
 
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Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:03 am

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I just want to see this on a 757 again. Is that too much to ask?
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Re: DL livery modification coming?

Sat Nov 19, 2016 9:02 am

SXDFC wrote:
"Something like this?"

I created that a few years ago.

"It hasn't been too long since they repainted virtually the entire fleet to have a consistent brand identity, rather than the hodgepodge of liveries that various "leaders" had felt it necessary to impose on the airline. Why screw with success? Unless it's a minor change, they would either have to go back to the days of multiple liveries or pay to repaint the whole fleet."

Every 6-10 years (varies by airline) planes get repainted. Regardless of a new livery or not, planes get repainted. Delta has already repainted several of its planes. Although you can see these changes (new modified liver, belly titles ,etc) these are very minute compared to an all new livery..


Well done, I picked it up from the modified airliner pictures website and thought it was completely relevant for this topic!
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Sat Nov 19, 2016 1:34 pm

wjcandee wrote:
It hasn't been too long since they repainted virtually the entire fleet to have a consistent brand identity, rather than the hodgepodge of liveries that various "leaders" had felt it necessary to impose on the airline. Why screw with success? Unless it's a minor change, they would either have to go back to the days of multiple liveries or pay to repaint the whole fleet. American and United have copied the DL "single-identity" approach, and it is the correct one. Dean Baldwin and Leading Edge might be having their business slow down now that the post-merger painting is wrapping up at the majors, so I'm sure they would be thrilled, but is this really an expense that would have a meaningful payback?

And while I have liked the billboard ever since Midway Airlines and Pan Am did it, it makes no difference in anyone's selection of airline, nor does it meaningfully-increase the airline's exposure, particularly for a major.

It's not like you're trying to find your plane in a parking lot and need to see what airline it is from...

It is the start of the repaint cycle, so now is the time to make any changes
 
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Sat Nov 19, 2016 2:20 pm

Dalmd88 wrote:
It is the start of the repaint cycle, so now is the time to make any changes


This is interesting. IIRC, the latest 'Citgo' scheme was announced in the first half of 2007 and applied to a few 737-832s.

What is the typical lifetime of a paint job, from a maintenance standpoint? I had the impression an average airframe could get 5-6 years on one coat of paint these days, before having to go in for a makeover. If that's the case, I would expect that some of the early Citgo widgets from 2007 got a fresh paint job in `2012, ~2013, and are due into the hangar for a third round within the next year.
 
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Sat Nov 19, 2016 4:08 pm

I would assume that all new deliveries should have this modification? Starting with the ones that haven't been painted in the DL livery yet...whether 739, 321, etc.
 
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Sat Nov 19, 2016 4:50 pm

BWIAirport wrote:
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I just want to see this on a 757 again. Is that too much to ask?


You can. Ship 608 is sitting down at the museum in full classic widget livery.
 
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Sat Nov 19, 2016 5:06 pm

CF-CPI wrote:
Dalmd88 wrote:
It is the start of the repaint cycle, so now is the time to make any changes


This is interesting. IIRC, the latest 'Citgo' scheme was announced in the first half of 2007 and applied to a few 737-832s.

What is the typical lifetime of a paint job, from a maintenance standpoint? I had the impression an average airframe could get 5-6 years on one coat of paint these days, before having to go in for a makeover. If that's the case, I would expect that some of the early Citgo widgets from 2007 got a fresh paint job in `2012, ~2013, and are due into the hangar for a third round within the next year.


It all depends on the livery. With WN, I have seen a few planes that were painted 3 years ago, and look like they're ready for new paint. I've also seen a few that are in the new livery, and could already use a repaint.

With regards to DL, their 737-700 and 777-200LRs look like they're ready for a new paint job. I believe however that Delta doesn't repaint the wings? Does anyone know if this is true or not?
 
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Sat Nov 19, 2016 5:53 pm

airlinedork wrote:
BWIAirport wrote:
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I just want to see this on a 757 again. Is that too much to ask?


You can. Ship 608 is sitting down at the museum in full classic widget livery.


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Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:13 pm

sspontak wrote:
A slanted widget on the front door, similar to the old livery along with the billboard titles would look good.


I was thinking the same thing... or make the widget more pronounced like it used to be around door L1/R1

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Re: DL livery modification coming?

Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:08 pm

CF-CPI wrote:
Dalmd88 wrote:
It is the start of the repaint cycle, so now is the time to make any changes


This is interesting. IIRC, the latest 'Citgo' scheme was announced in the first half of 2007 and applied to a few 737-832s.

What is the typical lifetime of a paint job, from a maintenance standpoint? I had the impression an average airframe could get 5-6 years on one coat of paint these days, before having to go in for a makeover. If that's the case, I would expect that some of the early Citgo widgets from 2007 got a fresh paint job in `2012, ~2013, and are due into the hangar for a third round within the next year.

I believe we just started repaints over the summer. I think we get 8-9 years out of a paint job. No repaints are getting done in ATL, all are done out of house. I think most are getting done in AMA. They may be sending some to GLH also, We have used them in the past.
 
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Sat Nov 19, 2016 8:43 pm

When will N542US (5642) roll out of the paint hangar?
 
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Re: DL livery modification coming?

Sat Nov 19, 2016 9:27 pm

Darker, metallic, colors would make sense. The livery is fine, but it seems very light on some larger aircraft. Almost livery-less. Those two simple changes would bring their livery in line with their new marketing (I miss the W+K B&W stuff) and VS.. while keeping costs down, and livery continuity.

Does anybody think we might see a re-orientation/re-scale of the Widget?

Polot wrote:
Hopefully it comes with larger titles. Doesn't have to be billboard but anything larger than current would be an improvement.


I think we might be seeing larger titles on certain aircraft (looking at you, A333 and A321). These old renderings of the NEO at time of order could reflect that DL was thinking about it. Personally, I doubt we'll see billboard titles.. it doesn't go in-line with DL's reasoning for "small titles" on the A333 (something about not painting over windows).

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Sat Nov 19, 2016 9:46 pm

Dalmd88 wrote:
CF-CPI wrote:
Dalmd88 wrote:
It is the start of the repaint cycle, so now is the time to make any changes


This is interesting. IIRC, the latest 'Citgo' scheme was announced in the first half of 2007 and applied to a few 737-832s.

What is the typical lifetime of a paint job, from a maintenance standpoint? I had the impression an average airframe could get 5-6 years on one coat of paint these days, before having to go in for a makeover. If that's the case, I would expect that some of the early Citgo widgets from 2007 got a fresh paint job in `2012, ~2013, and are due into the hangar for a third round within the next year.

I believe we just started repaints over the summer. I think we get 8-9 years out of a paint job. No repaints are getting done in ATL, all are done out of house. I think most are getting done in AMA. They may be sending some to GLH also, We have used them in the past.


We do have a paint line going now in ATL. 5642 is in paint now and it will be followed by 183 on Wednesday and will continue to run for the foreseeable future. The repainting will ramp up at the first of the year, with AMA having 5 lines going at once.
 
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Re: DL livery modification coming?

Sat Nov 19, 2016 9:56 pm

Dalmd88 wrote:
I believe we just started repaints over the summer. I think we get 8-9 years out of a paint job. No repaints are getting done in ATL, all are done out of house. I think most are getting done in AMA. They may be sending some to GLH also, We have used them in the past.


8-9 years is an amazing figure. I remember reading about the introduction of the Braniff pastel schemes from 1965, and a parenthetical remark that aircraft were repainted every 2 years anyhow. By the 1980s this had climbed to 5 years on the Delta 767s. I'm sure paint technology has improved over the years.

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