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sixtyseven
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WestJet Pilots Vote Down Agreement

Sat Nov 19, 2016 3:46 am

WestJet pilots voted against the widebody expansion agreement by an apparent large margin.

Sounds like they've had enough.

My guess is a very large yes vote towards certifying with ALPA will be next. And soon.

https://www.google.ca/amp/www.cbc.ca/am ... ent=safari
 
matthew11
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Re: WestJet Pilots Vote Down Agreement

Sat Nov 19, 2016 5:19 am

That's quite the setback.
 
VonRichtofen
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Re: WestJet Pilots Vote Down Agreement

Sat Nov 19, 2016 5:25 am

sixtyseven wrote:
WestJet pilots voted against the widebody expansion agreement by an apparent large margin.

Sounds like they've had enough.

My guess is a very large yes vote towards certifying with ALPA will be next. And soon.

https://www.google.ca/amp/www.cbc.ca/am ... ent=safari



Anybody know what their grievances are? I thought they'd be all for an expanion.
 
sixtyseven
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Re: WestJet Pilots Vote Down Agreement

Sat Nov 19, 2016 5:37 am

They are not happy about a lot of things.

This no vote is a barometer of what the pilots think of the WJPPA, the in house representatives of the pilot group.

They have tried to organize several times and narrowly missed last time. ALPA is in talks with a group leading the pro union drive.

This in my opinion is more of indicator that the group wants better representation going forward. I would guess you will see them certify before the end of Q1. Then they will secure a contract to include new aircraft. Which if there is a business case, will come, and be flown by WJ pilots.

I think it's a great step forward for the pilot group who have outgrown the current model of representation. I don't view this as a setback at all.
 
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Re: WestJet Pilots Vote Down Agreement

Sat Nov 19, 2016 5:43 am

sixtyseven wrote:
They are not happy about a lot of things.

This no vote is a barometer of what the pilots think of the WJPPA, the in house representatives of the pilot group.

They have tried to organize several times and narrowly missed last time. ALPA is in talks with a group leading the pro union drive.

This in my opinion is more of indicator that the group wants better representation going forward. I would guess you will see them certify before the end of Q1. Then they will secure a contract to include new aircraft. Which if there is a business case, will come, and be flown by WJ pilots.

I think it's a great step forward for the pilot group who have outgrown the current model of representation. I don't view this as a setback at all.


Interesting. So not so much a vote against the idea of widebody expansion itself but more a vote against expansion without assurances it'll be WS pilots flying those aircraft, and to some extent showing the WJPPA they're not going to just tow their line?
 
sixtyseven
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Re: WestJet Pilots Vote Down Agreement

Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:02 am

That would be my guess talking to some of their guys there yes. Whether this is the case entirely who knows. The theory will be tested when a vote to certify with ALPA comes down the pipe.

Saretsky & co won't be happy as they'll be thinking the same. As will the WJPPA as a vote so against a good faith negotiation will signal to them they completely mis-read the "temperature in the room". The WJPPA will have work to do if they want to avoid certification to ALPA. There'll be lots of rhetoric and probably a pretty quick sweetening of the pot.
 
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Re: WestJet Pilots Vote Down Agreement

Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:13 am

I think they are still behind comparable Air Canada wages and working conditions. The lack of advancement in recent years has not helped the over all mood. An 80% No vote suggests to me that the arrival of unionization (ALPA) at WestJet is now imminent.
 
Whiteguy
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Re: WestJet Pilots Vote Down Agreement

Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:26 pm

VonRichtofen wrote:
sixtyseven wrote:
They are not happy about a lot of things.

This no vote is a barometer of what the pilots think of the WJPPA, the in house representatives of the pilot group.

They have tried to organize several times and narrowly missed last time. ALPA is in talks with a group leading the pro union drive.

This in my opinion is more of indicator that the group wants better representation going forward. I would guess you will see them certify before the end of Q1. Then they will secure a contract to include new aircraft. Which if there is a business case, will come, and be flown by WJ pilots.

I think it's a great step forward for the pilot group who have outgrown the current model of representation. I don't view this as a setback at all.


Interesting. So not so much a vote against the idea of widebody expansion itself but more a vote against expansion without assurances it'll be WS pilots flying those aircraft, and to some extent showing the WJPPA they're not going to just tow their line?


The vote was no to the agreements presented not a no to the expansion of the widebody flying!

And it's not WJPPA, it's WJPA, PPA was the certified group that was voted on last fall....that was a no also...
 
sixtyseven
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Re: WestJet Pilots Vote Down Agreement

Sat Nov 19, 2016 9:48 pm

The TA failed. I would suspect the next TA will be negotiated by ALPA WestJet. And that's great.
 
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Re: WestJet Pilots Vote Down Agreement

Mon Nov 21, 2016 10:48 pm

sixtyseven wrote:
The TA failed. I would suspect the next TA will be negotiated by ALPA WestJet. And that's great.


Not likely.....
 
sixtyseven
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Re: WestJet Pilots Vote Down Agreement

Mon Nov 21, 2016 11:19 pm

A TA that fails with a margin like that is usually an indictment of not only management but also the guys that we're sitting across from them. Good luck

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