MoonC
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Possible Etihad A350 routes?

Thu Nov 24, 2016 4:02 pm

With Etihad's first A350 delivery apparently being not so far away now acording to these 2 articles (which I will post and quote further down this post), which routes do you think they will/could be used on?

Could they be used to open up new routes, maybe re-instate a soon to be dropped one (GRU), or even replace the lonely 6 x A330-300? Maybe even configure some -1000s for high density regional flights? Or place some of them with airlines under its umbrella?

The first article, https://airwaysmag.com/airlines/etihad-cancels-sao-paulo-service, mentions "January 2017" as entry into service of the first A350.

The second article as follows, for something more official: https://www.etihad.com/en/about-us/etihad-news/archive/2016/abta-conference-hears-how-a-digital-revolution-will-shape-the-airlines-of-the-future/

During the Travel Convention summit in Abu Dhabi (organized and held between the 10th and 12th of October by the Association of British Travel Agents, or ABTA), the CEO was quoted as saying that: "Technology is an area that offers the next opportunity for a great leap forward. We will continue to see new innovation in product design – and for anyone out there thinking that the A380 and Dreamliner products mark Etihad’s high point, I simply mention we are now working on our A350 product", and it was also, once again, noted that their first should arrive in 2017, albeit no precise date was given.

So I can't imagine it being too far off before something leaks out, wether it's a seat plan, or possible destinations.
 
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Re: Possible Etihad A350 routes?

Thu Nov 24, 2016 4:30 pm

Its great that they are constantly updating their product, but it certainly means passengers will notice a significant difference when they fly on one of their older aircraft.
 
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Re: Possible Etihad A350 routes?

Thu Nov 24, 2016 4:41 pm

As much as I would like to think EY might consider BOS. I think the market is well covered perhaps over served with EK shortly resuming 2x, QR daily, and TK 4 weekly. You also have LY but they serve a different market.
 
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Re: Possible Etihad A350 routes?

Thu Nov 24, 2016 5:06 pm

PerfectGriffin wrote:
Its great that they are constantly updating their product, but it certainly means passengers will notice a significant difference when they fly on one of their older aircraft.


Unfortunately this is the case sadly. This year I've had two very different experiences with EY flying in J Class. In February I did MAN-AUH on a 77W and I thought the product was good. Then did AUH-SYD on the A388 and WOW!!!

In April I then did HKG-AUH-MAN. And the first leg was on an Air Seychelles A332 which was absolute crap and then the leg back to MAN was on an A346 which had the 'old' business class seat, which again was poor.
 
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Re: Possible Etihad A350 routes?

Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:30 pm

I think YYZ would be a great A350 route, loads of pax volume, and relatively low yielding on connections to India. The efficiency of the A350 vis a vis the 77W would certainly help, especially given the distance.
 
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Re: Possible Etihad A350 routes?

Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:35 pm

No way they can start operations in January 2017... Karel and Co. can provide more information on a realistic EIS-date
 
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Re: Possible Etihad A350 routes?

Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:50 pm

G'day

Etihad's A350'ies are not listed on any publicly available production list and certainly they are not positioned for delivery in 2017. That is unless they have taken up any of the various slots vacated by other airlines. Reallocation of those slots has not been made public yet and I would have expected Airbus is "saving" those for the potentially upcoming Emirates order. Reading tea leaves gain, I apologize :white:

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Re: Possible Etihad A350 routes?

Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:54 pm

First A350'routes rumoured that we're hearing will be Paris.

But we aren't due the first one to arrive until late next year. The fact they haven't released any seat config etc should be a hint really.

"Several of these deliveries, namely additional 787s and its first A350, are scheduled to arrive in January 2017."

This comment is referring to the fact we have 2 787's for Deliver in January of next year.

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Re: Possible Etihad A350 routes?

Thu Nov 24, 2016 7:07 pm

N14AZ wrote:
No way they can start operations in January 2017... Karel and Co. can provide more information on a realistic EIS-date


I also posted another link quoting the CEO saying it was expected in 2017, but I also did note that he had not given any precise date.

OMAAbound wrote:
First A350'routes rumoured that we're hearing will be Paris.

But we aren't due the first one to arrive until late next year. The fact they haven't released any seat config etc should be a hint really.

"Several of these deliveries, namely additional 787s and its first A350, are scheduled to arrive in January 2017."

This comment is referring to the fact we have 2 787's for Deliver in January of next year.

OMAA


They also mention "and its first A350", but seeing the comments on this thread I assume he was wrong.
The CEO did give "2017" but no precise date, which I noted in my OP. That would be only for the -900s I think though, I read somewhere the -1000s would not be before 2018.
I also noted that it might not take too long for for the seat plans to be released if ops. did indeed start in January, but it looks like I was in the wrong.

I personally wish Geneva would be one of the destinations for Etihad's A350 !

Edit: Spelling.
 
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Re: Possible Etihad A350 routes?

Thu Nov 24, 2016 11:26 pm

Could EY possibly put their A350's (A350-900)on North American routes for a second daily frequency to cities like Chicago or downgauge 77W flights that aren't doing so well like QR?
 
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Re: Possible Etihad A350 routes?

Fri Nov 25, 2016 1:42 am

DFW please !
 
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Re: Possible Etihad A350 routes?

Fri Nov 25, 2016 3:07 am

I expect DEL or BOM to be one of the first cities.
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Re: Possible Etihad A350 routes?

Fri Nov 25, 2016 3:35 am

Is it possible that Etihad may start services to Birmingham (U.K.) once they start to receive more A350s?
 
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Re: Possible Etihad A350 routes?

Fri Nov 25, 2016 3:39 am

What about the very long overdue flight to MEX? None of ME4 has opened a route to that city. That aircraft seems perfect for that route.
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Re: Possible Etihad A350 routes?

Fri Nov 25, 2016 6:30 am

JamesAlice wrote:
PerfectGriffin wrote:
Its great that they are constantly updating their product, but it certainly means passengers will notice a significant difference when they fly on one of their older aircraft.


Unfortunately this is the case sadly. This year I've had two very different experiences with EY flying in J Class. In February I did MAN-AUH on a 77W and I thought the product was good. Then did AUH-SYD on the A388 and WOW!!!

In April I then did HKG-AUH-MAN. And the first leg was on an Air Seychelles A332 which was absolute crap and then the leg back to MAN was on an A346 which had the 'old' business class seat, which again was poor.


Another example of this is the old 9W 77W they used to launch SFO offering an inferior product to EK in the premium market to India.
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Re: Possible Etihad A350 routes?

Fri Nov 25, 2016 1:38 pm

JordanTranter wrote:
Is it possible that Etihad may start services to Birmingham (U.K.) once they start to receive more A350s?


Personally I don't think this would work as EK are already heavily involved at BHX. "This town ain't big enough for the both of us" springs to mind.

Maybe Glasgow?
 
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Re: Possible Etihad A350 routes?

Fri Nov 25, 2016 2:06 pm

The Air Seychelles 332 is indeed poor, although the seats have loads of space around them. That aircraft is in HKG three times weekly. It is better than some of the older QR J seats though.

Otherwise the EY Business seats are quite similar.

I've done

332 / 333 / 388 J class
77W / 333 F class (Suberb)

Alongside the Jet Airways and Air Seychelles J seats.
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Re: Possible Etihad A350 routes?

Fri Nov 25, 2016 2:10 pm

JamesAlice wrote:
Personally I don't think this would work as EK are already heavily involved at BHX. "This town ain't big enough for the both of us" springs to mind.


There should be more than enough passengers for EY. You only have to bear in mind that MAN with a smaller catchment has 3 EK daily, 2 EY daily and 16 weekly QR. At BHX, it's just the 3 daily EK and daily QR. What I would anticipate is that the 2 class 789 may be used at any potential BHX route thus out of scope for this thread.
 
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Re: Possible Etihad A350 routes?

Fri Nov 25, 2016 2:13 pm

BestWestern wrote:
Otherwise the EY Business seats are quite similar.
I've done 332 / 333 / 388 J class 77W / 333 F class (Suberb)
Alongside the Jet Airways and Air Seychelles J seats.

you obviously haven't done the 789 yet. night and day between the J seat on the A330 and the B789 on EY. If the 789 J seat is the way forward, the future is very bright for EY. The A330 J seat isn't competitive vs. SQ/CX/etc... Its flat yes but its narrow on 2-2-2 staggered versus 1-2-1 with top airlines. The 789 J seat is wide and 1-2-1.
 
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Re: Possible Etihad A350 routes?

Fri Nov 25, 2016 5:23 pm

And does anyone know what the plans are for the 6 x A333?
It is already known that the A340s will be replaced by the A350s, but I heard no such plans for the A333.
Some of the actual 787 routes were previously served by them but all EY did is move them over to other destinations, they're still in the fleet. Seems kind of odd to me to keep just 6 x A333 in the fleet, but I'm no expert on the matter.
They are daily visitors to Geneva because of their 3 class config, GVA being a premium (and a very profitable!) destination for them, so with the airline CEO boasting about what's yet to come with the A350s I have some decent hopes to see them here.
 
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Re: Possible Etihad A350 routes?

Sat May 27, 2017 11:22 am

dubaiamman243 wrote:
I expect DEL or BOM to be one of the first cities.


BOM should be one of the first cities. EY took away the A380 from Mumbai and added the A340 to Mumbai. They should update the Red-eye BOM-AUH from the A340 to A350.
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Re: Possible Etihad A350 routes?

Sat May 27, 2017 11:37 am

David_itl wrote:
JamesAlice wrote:
Personally I don't think this would work as EK are already heavily involved at BHX. "This town ain't big enough for the both of us" springs to mind.


There should be more than enough passengers for EY. You only have to bear in mind that MAN with a smaller catchment has 3 EK daily, 2 EY daily and 16 weekly QR. At BHX, it's just the 3 daily EK and daily QR. What I would anticipate is that the 2 class 789 may be used at any potential BHX route thus out of scope for this thread.


Air India also sends the 788 to BHX, so without having load factor data for those flights, but in my experience seeing them be relatively packed when I've flown, I'd actually say BHX is rather covered.
 
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Re: Possible Etihad A350 routes?

Sat May 27, 2017 12:40 pm

EY will take delivery of its first A350 in 2020-2021
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Re: Possible Etihad A350 routes?

Sat May 27, 2017 2:37 pm

JamesAlice wrote:

In April I then did HKG-AUH-MAN. And the first leg was on an Air Seychelles A332 which was absolute crap and then the leg back to MAN was on an A346 which had the 'old' business class seat, which again was poor.

I believe the A346 is leaving service (last scheduled service out of BOM) after October this year so probably why they have not refurbished it.

TheFlyingSamosa wrote:
BOM should be one of the first cities. EY took away the A380 from Mumbai and added the A340 to Mumbai. They should update the Red-eye BOM-AUH from the A340 to A350.


+1. Assuming they are getting the 350 this year of course.
 
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Re: Possible Etihad A350 routes?

Sat May 27, 2017 4:41 pm

pzurita1 wrote:
What about the very long overdue flight to MEX? None of ME4 has opened a route to that city. That aircraft seems perfect for that route.

I am skeptical that a regular A359 would be able to do MEX-AUH. Perhaps an ULR?

dubaiamman243 wrote:
EY will take delivery of its first A350 in 2020-2021

Were they deferred?
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Re: Possible Etihad A350 routes?

Sat May 27, 2017 5:06 pm

EddieDude wrote:
pzurita1 wrote:
What about the very long overdue flight to MEX? None of ME4 has opened a route to that city. That aircraft seems perfect for that route.

I am skeptical that a regular A359 would be able to do MEX-AUH. Perhaps an ULR?

dubaiamman243 wrote:
EY will take delivery of its first A350 in 2020-2021

Were they deferred?


Yes. No fleet expansion for the time being
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Re: Possible Etihad A350 routes?

Sat May 27, 2017 5:40 pm

dubaiamman243 wrote:
EddieDude wrote:
pzurita1 wrote:
What about the very long overdue flight to MEX? None of ME4 has opened a route to that city. That aircraft seems perfect for that route.

I am skeptical that a regular A359 would be able to do MEX-AUH. Perhaps an ULR?

dubaiamman243 wrote:
EY will take delivery of its first A350 in 2020-2021

Were they deferred?


Yes. No fleet expansion for the time being


Does this also concern the 787s on order?
They have several 787s in different stages in Seattle right now.

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