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ozark1 wrote:Do you find them an invasion of privacy or do you think they are a necessary tool to advance aviation safety?
Veetwo wrote:Can the FAA pull the CVR recordings whenever they want or do they need a search warrant or subpoena?
bennett123 wrote:I work in an office, once I pick up the phone that is recorded.
Not sure that CVR is a lot different.
Clearly, it does not record what I say to colleagues, but my manager, (and others) are in the room.
CATIIIevery5yrs wrote:91.609 The Administrator is the FAA. It's federally protected. And most pilot CBA's further restrict the use of recorded data.
"The Administrator does not use the cockpit voice recorder record in any civil penalty or certificate action."
exunited wrote:CATIIIevery5yrs wrote:91.609 The Administrator is the FAA. It's federally protected. And most pilot CBA's further restrict the use of recorded data.
"The Administrator does not use the cockpit voice recorder record in any civil penalty or certificate action."
And yet in virtually every accident, the CVR audio is leaked to the media. The understanding was that CVR info is to be used in accident/incident investigations ONLY, but it makes it way to TV somehow.
apfpilot wrote:exunited wrote:CATIIIevery5yrs wrote:91.609 The Administrator is the FAA. It's federally protected. And most pilot CBA's further restrict the use of recorded data.
"The Administrator does not use the cockpit voice recorder record in any civil penalty or certificate action."
And yet in virtually every accident, the CVR audio is leaked to the media. The understanding was that CVR info is to be used in accident/incident investigations ONLY, but it makes it way to TV somehow.
I haven't seen any examples in decades where CVR audio was leaked to the press.
exunited wrote:apfpilot wrote:exunited wrote:
And yet in virtually every accident, the CVR audio is leaked to the media. The understanding was that CVR info is to be used in accident/incident investigations ONLY, but it makes it way to TV somehow.
I haven't seen any examples in decades where CVR audio was leaked to the press.
Turn on any of the many airplane accident shows (Smithsonian Channel etc) and they have actual CVR recordings (not ATC and not reenactments). Air Florida 90, Delta at DFW... etc etc all have actual CVR audio.
vhtje wrote:Does the crew's conversation get recorded on the CVR if they remove their headset/microphone?
Polot wrote:exunited wrote:apfpilot wrote:
I haven't seen any examples in decades where CVR audio was leaked to the press.
Turn on any of the many airplane accident shows (Smithsonian Channel etc) and they have actual CVR recordings (not ATC and not reenactments). Air Florida 90, Delta at DFW... etc etc all have actual CVR audio.
Yes, now think about how old those accidents are.
You are assuming that the official position on the release of CVR recordings has been constant forever...
I believe the ban on releasing the actual audio followed DL 1141 at DFW in 1988.
exunited wrote:apfpilot wrote:exunited wrote:
And yet in virtually every accident, the CVR audio is leaked to the media. The understanding was that CVR info is to be used in accident/incident investigations ONLY, but it makes it way to TV somehow.
I haven't seen any examples in decades where CVR audio was leaked to the press.
Turn on any of the many airplane accident shows (Smithsonian Channel etc) and they have actual CVR recordings (not ATC and not reenactments). Air Florida 90, Delta at DFW... etc etc all have actual CVR audio.