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Norwegian increases LGW-US in 2017

Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:36 pm

While not on sale yet, Norwegian is showing their planned increase for LGW to the US for 2017. In April 2017 another 787-9 will be "based" at LGW, enabling increases to LAX, OAK, FLL and MCO. A second 787-9 will arrive in August 2017, bringing LGW-JFK to 2x daily (or 13x weekly to be precise)

A little interesting schedule for the 2nd daily LGW-JFK. A very early departure from LGW, and noon departure from JFK on the return, making in a daylight flight with a late arrival at LGW

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... on-in-s17/
London Gatwick – Ft. Lauderdale eff 13APR17 Proposed increase from 1 to 2 weekly (Day 1 not available for reservation)
London Gatwick – Los Angeles eff 15APR17 Proposed increase from 5 to 7 weekly (Day 36 not available for reservation)
London Gatwick – New York JFK eff 10AUG17 Proposed increase from 7 to 13 weekly, DY7013/7014 not available for reservation
DY7013 LGW0600 – 0900JFK 789 x3
DY7014 JFK1200 – 2355LGW 789 x3

London Gatwick – Oakland eff 18APR17 Proposed increase from 3 to 5 weekly (Day 25 not available for reservation)
London Gatwick – Orlando eff 20APR17 Proposed increase from 2 to 3 weekly (Day 4 not available for reservation)
 
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Re: Norwegian increases LGW-US in 2017

Mon Dec 05, 2016 1:03 pm

With the 6AM departure from LGW DY will have one of the first westbound TATL departures from continental Europe. Will be interesting to see how the flight will do.
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Re: Norwegian increases LGW-US in 2017

Mon Dec 05, 2016 1:21 pm

Well the early departure to JFK is good for those who want a full day in New York but staying up all day with the time change would be tough.

A day flight from JFK is a good option but again the timing is a bit off. The transatlantic day flights that arrive at LHR at around 8pm are well timed.
 
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Re: Norwegian increases LGW-US in 2017

Mon Dec 05, 2016 1:23 pm

:box: Quick, someone give BA a call.
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Re: Norwegian increases LGW-US in 2017

Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:44 pm

So, how many aircrafts will be based at LGW? 4 (2 x 788 + 2x 789)?
 
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Re: Norwegian increases LGW-US in 2017

Mon Dec 05, 2016 3:46 pm

I don't get that 0600 LGW departure time, then a 3-hr turnaround time at JFK. Surely a 0715 - 0730 departure time would attract more business traffic, and would still get into JFK early enough and still give plenty of turnaround time for the noon flight back.
I would have thought DY would need at least 6 787's at LGW for their proposed S17 flying schedule.
 
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Re: Norwegian increases LGW-US in 2017

Mon Dec 05, 2016 3:57 pm

TC957 wrote:
I don't get that 0600 LGW departure time, then a 3-hr turnaround time at JFK. Surely a 0715 - 0730 departure time would attract more business traffic, and would still get into JFK early enough and still give plenty of turnaround time for the noon flight back.


"Business traffic" is not the segment of the market that Norwegian is targeting. Norwegian is like Ryanair, Spirit, etc. - it's objective is to stimulate latent leisure demand by lowering fares to bring new customers into the market. If any "business" travelers happen to use the Norwegian flights, then that's just a bonus, but any "business" traffic flying between LON and NYC is already quite well served by the 20+ daily flights offered by the route's three main competitors - AA/BA, Delta/Virgin and United.
 
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Re: Norwegian increases LGW-US in 2017

Mon Dec 05, 2016 4:03 pm

I wish they would start BWI-Europe service.
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Mon Dec 05, 2016 4:59 pm

Why they haven't broken into the ORD profit sanctuary for the AA/BA JV and UA is beyond me.

Maybe they're waiting for MKE to build their new international arrivals area, but they should have been at ORD by now, even with the T5 gate constraints.
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Re: Norwegian increases LGW-US in 2017

Mon Dec 05, 2016 5:20 pm

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Why they haven't broken into the ORD profit sanctuary for the AA/BA JV and UA is beyond me.

Maybe they're waiting for MKE to build their new international arrivals area, but they should have been at ORD by now, even with the T5 gate constraints.

Either RFD or MKE will land service.
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Re: Norwegian increases LGW-US in 2017

Mon Dec 05, 2016 5:33 pm

TC957 wrote:
I don't get that 0600 LGW departure time, then a 3-hr turnaround time at JFK. Surely a 0715 - 0730 departure time would attract more business traffic, and would still get into JFK early enough and still give plenty of turnaround time for the noon flight back.
I would have thought DY would need at least 6 787's at LGW for their proposed S17 flying schedule.


Could it have to do with available slot times?
 
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Re: Norwegian increases LGW-US in 2017

Mon Dec 05, 2016 5:43 pm

Is Norwegian profitable on these routes (all TATL)?
 
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Re: Norwegian increases LGW-US in 2017

Mon Dec 05, 2016 5:58 pm

readytotaxi wrote:
:box: Quick, someone give BA a call.

I think they already noticed. ;)
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I wish they would start BWI-Europe service.

So, I've said this in other threads, but we are really at a seminal moment for DY's U.S. strategy. They have a few strategic options:

Best to Worst IMHO...
1) START ADDING SERVED MARKETS. With few exceptions they have avoided head to head competition, preferring to fly from a nearby airport or to markets like Oslo with limited options. They could instead add markets like ATL/IAH/MSP/PHL/DTW/DFW with the thought that if they are going to be chased into markets like OAK and FLL, they might as well go for the jugular where most of the traffic is located, rather than risk splitting traffic at an alternate airport. This is essentially the very successful NK domestic strategy of 2013-2014 or so that F9 duplicated.

2) IGNORE BA. Keep doing what they have been doing. Add more secondary gateways (like OAK/FLL i.e. MKE, ONT, PIT, PVD, RSW, etc.) in unserved Europe O&Ds, avoiding head-to-head competition at the onset, and if somebody retaliates by adding one of their routes they stand by their strategy and keep punching.

3) REVERSE RETALIATE. Signal their displeasure by adding BWI/MSY-LGW in order to erode BA performance in their routes as way of showing BA they won't go away and it will be costly for BA to challenge them.

4) ADD EVEN MORE RISKY ALTERNATES. They could add flights to markets like Sanford, Gary, Punta Gorda, Rockford, Phoenix Mesa, Newburgh, Islip, etc. The G4 strategy. It's just very risky because if they are matched at the primary airport by the legacies, nobody will drive out to these airports to fly. It is unlikely, however, BA would add any of these markets. I think this is a VERY risky strategy.

5) DROP LGW EXPANSION. I think this is the worst idea because if they signal they can be pushed out of LGW by BA then IB will push them out of Spain, etc. I think they can't just run, particularly from a market as large as LON.
 
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Re: Norwegian increases LGW-US in 2017

Mon Dec 05, 2016 6:43 pm

enilria wrote:
So, I've said this in other threads, but we are really at a seminal moment for DY's U.S. strategy. They have a few strategic options:

I think we will see a little bit of 1, 2, 4, and 5
enilria wrote:
2) IGNORE BA. Keep doing what they have been doing. Add more secondary gateways (like OAK/FLL i.e. MKE, ONT, PIT, PVD, RSW, etc.) in unserved Europe O&Ds, avoiding head-to-head competition at the onset, and if somebody retaliates by adding one of their routes they stand by their strategy and keep punching.

Doubt we will see Norwegian in PIT after the WOWair and Condor announcements. I would look to PVD (new Boston area base) and MKE added sooner rather than later.
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Re: Norwegian increases LGW-US in 2017

Mon Dec 05, 2016 6:47 pm

enilria wrote:
4) ADD EVEN MORE RISKY ALTERNATES. They could add flights to markets like Sanford, Gary, Punta Gorda, Rockford, Phoenix Mesa, Newburgh, Islip, etc. The G4 strategy. It's just very risky because if they are matched at the primary airport by the legacies, nobody will drive out to these airports to fly. It is unlikely, however, BA would add any of these markets. I think this is a VERY risky strategy.

They just announced a new New York area base at Stewart. Rockford and Phoenix Mesa stand good chances of getting service added, AZA has a much better chance of landing service over PHX.

enilria wrote:
5) DROP LGW EXPANSION. I think this is the worst idea because if they signal they can be pushed out of LGW by BA then IB will push them out of Spain, etc. I think they can't just run, particularly from a market as large as LON.

Won't happen. But I can see them grow BCN and add MAD for transatlantic service.
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Re: Norwegian increases LGW-US in 2017

Mon Dec 05, 2016 6:48 pm

Not sure I think this approach is a successful one, with those flight timings they're appealing to a very limited set of O&D passengers and no business trade. They'll have to make pricing very attractive and risk yield.
 
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Re: Norwegian increases LGW-US in 2017

Mon Dec 05, 2016 8:26 pm

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I wish they would start BWI-Europe service.

Hello, fellow BWI fan!

I agree. It is especially perplexing considering Norwegian already operates to the Caribbean from BWI, so intra-airline connections don't seem like they'd be an issue. Additionally, BWI seems like it fits DY's strategy perfectly, especially considering they don't currently offer a DC area route. I don't think LGW will be the first step because there's already a daily 787 to the London area with not-too-big of a market, but a BWI-OSL/BCN or even FCO would make a lot of sense for all parties involved.

Just imagine, at peak hours seeing 2 or 3 787's, the DE 767, and a WW A330 at that Concourse E.
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Re: Norwegian increases LGW-US in 2017

Mon Dec 05, 2016 8:49 pm

dabpit wrote:
Won't happen. But I can see them grow BCN and add MAD for transatlantic service.


Maybe one day when LGW is full they grow further at STN, that's the only other London airport besides LHR that's capable of long haul flights. For me this would be convenient since STN serves me far better than LGW. And if they keep to their agreement with Ryanair for feeder flights they immediately got a wide network.
 
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Mon Dec 05, 2016 9:00 pm

There are more airports in the UK that are more than capable of handing any Norwegian expansion should LGW become full, What is with people that instantly dismiss MAN with 25 million passengers, growing at the rate of around 10% per year. EDI and BHX are also experiencing spectacular growth. All 3 have substantial catchments to help fill flight and all 3 have robust Ryanair operations if we want to go down the feeder flight line. Oh, let's also throw in the prospect of USCBP at both MAN and EDI so another nice selling point for them.
 
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Mon Dec 05, 2016 9:34 pm

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TC957 wrote:
I don't get that 0600 LGW departure time, then a 3-hr turnaround time at JFK. Surely a 0715 - 0730 departure time would attract more business traffic, and would still get into JFK early enough and still give plenty of turnaround time for the noon flight back.


"Business traffic" is not the segment of the market that Norwegian is targeting. Norwegian is like Ryanair, Spirit, etc. - it's objective is to stimulate latent leisure demand by lowering fares to bring new customers into the market. If any "business" travelers happen to use the Norwegian flights, then that's just a bonus, but any "business" traffic flying between LON and NYC is already quite well served by the 20+ daily flights offered by the route's three main competitors - AA/BA, Delta/Virgin and United.


Yes, I know, but for the leisure market an 0600 flight to NY won't be popular at all. In all my time in the travel industry, I have never had clients wanting such a departure time for any transatlantic service, especially when as you say there are so many alternatives.
 
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Re: Norwegian increases LGW-US in 2017

Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:00 pm

There will be some who will book a 06:00 flight because it is cheap without thinking they will need to stay at the airport the night before.

But otherwise, a long-haul flight combined with a lack of sleep beforehand and a long day ahead is not a pleasant combination.
 
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Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:40 pm

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Yes, I know, but for the leisure market an 0600 flight to NY won't be popular at all. In all my time in the travel industry, I have never had clients wanting such a departure time for any transatlantic service, especially when as you say there are so many alternatives.


"Popular" is all relative. There are plenty of people happily willing to accept rough schedules in order to save money - we need look no further than the scheduling in season between northern European and many Mediterranean resort destinations, where the departures and/or the arrivals are at awful hours, but the aircraft are very highly utilized and thus the prices can be quite cheap.
 
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Mon Dec 05, 2016 11:02 pm

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There will be some who will book a 06:00 flight because it is cheap without thinking they will need to stay at the airport the night before.

But otherwise, a long-haul flight combined with a lack of sleep beforehand and a long day ahead is not a pleasant combination.



If people were concerned about pleasant experiences we wouldn't be seeing the current race to the bottom.
 
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Mon Dec 05, 2016 11:11 pm

I can't help but wonder about the possibility of Norwegian adding nonstop service to niche airports/destinations like JAX, PBI, PSP, RNO, RSW, SAT, and/or SRQ from LGW. Then again, I could see something like LGW-DEN doing extremely well too. Can't wait to see what this airline chooses to do next!
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Mon Dec 05, 2016 11:56 pm

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Is Norwegian profitable on these routes (all TATL)?



Impossible to know from the outside and anyone who claims otherwise is lying.

What is known is that DY is barely profitable at all as a commercial enterprise.
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Tue Dec 06, 2016 4:15 am

They remind me of Air Europe, smoke and mirrors and grand designs.
 
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Tue Dec 06, 2016 6:57 am

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What is known is that DY is barely profitable at all as a commercial enterprise.


New definition of "barely profitable": to make around $100 million profit in a quarter, Yep, clearly struggling.
 
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David_itl wrote:
Varsity1 wrote:
What is known is that DY is barely profitable at all as a commercial enterprise.


New definition of "barely profitable": to make around $100 million profit in a quarter, Yep, clearly struggling.



Norwegian netted 246,000,000NOK last year (2015). that's 2.9 Million USD. This comes from losing 1bn NOK the year before (2014). -10m USD. Companies are expected to earn risk adjusted returns in line with the market. For a company with tens of billions of USD invested, Norwegian earns essentially nothing or even a negative return in comparison with market peers.


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Tue Dec 06, 2016 2:14 pm

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There will be some who will book a 06:00 flight because it is cheap without thinking they will need to stay at the airport the night before.

But otherwise, a long-haul flight combined with a lack of sleep beforehand and a long day ahead is not a pleasant combination.


I do all the time 6 AM departures for city breaks on weekends within Europe. I usually go to sleep on Friday at 9 - 10 AM (take a pill and no coffee the day before) and sleep for a few hours, wake up to head for the airport, sleep a bit on the plane, then coffee... and it works. This means you are already "visiting" the city on Saturday 9 AM when everything opens. Arriving later means wasting your day. I went a couple of weeks ago to Faro and was on the beach at 10 AM (local time) sharp.

Much better than a 10 AM departure that completely breaks your day.

This NYC is not much different even if logistically a bit more complicated (time at CBP). But probably after a quick shower, it allows you almost a full day of vacation in NYC maximizing your holidays or VFR. I think it is quite attractive.
 
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Tue Dec 06, 2016 2:24 pm

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Norwegian netted 246,000,000NOK last year (2015). that's 2.9 Million USD. (...)

You mean 29 million USD
 
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Tue Dec 06, 2016 2:45 pm

Varsity1 wrote:
David_itl wrote:
Varsity1 wrote:
What is known is that DY is barely profitable at all as a commercial enterprise.


New definition of "barely profitable": to make around $100 million profit in a quarter, Yep, clearly struggling.



Norwegian netted 246,000,000NOK last year (2015). that's 2.9 Million USD. This comes from losing 1bn NOK the year before (2014). -10m USD. Companies are expected to earn risk adjusted returns in line with the market. For a company with tens of billions of USD invested, Norwegian earns essentially nothing or even a negative return in comparison with market peers.


Cite-
https://www.norwegian.com/globalassets/ ... t_2015.pdf


They have improved their YTD net profit by over 50% YOY and have put a lot of their revenue into capital growth, similar to companies like Amazon, which directly lowers their net profit.

Also, 246m NOK is 29.3 million USD, not 2.9 million. If you can't properly convert currency, I'm not sure what you're doing trying to read financial statements.
 
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Tue Dec 06, 2016 3:34 pm

Operating results:

Q3 2016: $166m
Q2 2016: $122m
Q1 2016: ($105m)

For FY 2015: $43m

Source: Norwegian's reports and the financial section of Flightglobal on Norwegian. Figures above in USD correspond to EBIT in NOK.

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Tue Dec 06, 2016 3:56 pm

I'm quite surprised that they are flying to MCO more often then to FLL.
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I'm quite surprised that they are flying to MCO more often then to FLL.


Correct me if im wrong but i think in the European perspective, Orlando is a bigger tourist destination than Miami area.
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lesfalls wrote:
I'm quite surprised that they are flying to MCO more often then to FLL.


Correct me if im wrong but i think in the European perspective, Orlando is a bigger tourist destination than Miami area.

I thought it was the exact opposite! My family is european and from what I hear from relatives they would much rather go to MIA over MCO because they see it as a less touristy place. It might be a different story for the Brits and the Irish though.
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Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:26 pm

lesfalls wrote:
usflyer123 wrote:
lesfalls wrote:
I'm quite surprised that they are flying to MCO more often then to FLL.


Correct me if im wrong but i think in the European perspective, Orlando is a bigger tourist destination than Miami area.

I thought it was the exact opposite! My family is european and from what I hear from relatives they would much rather go to MIA over MCO because they see it as a less touristy place. It might be a different story for the Brits and the Irish though.


well my family is from Ukraine so not many people go to Orlando nor Miami but from my many European friends i have noticed that Orlando is more famous than Miami(especially families!).
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Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:36 pm

Orlando = Disney, The House of Mouse. They're not really going to see Florida per se :)
 
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Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:42 pm

But also keep in mind that Disney World Orlando doesn't attract that many passengers from Europe since we Europeans got our own Euro Disney in Paris. From Europe you don't fly all the way to Florida just to see Disney World, you include a bit more on your trip and then actually it doesn't make much difference where you set foot on American ground. You travel around anyway.
 
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But also keep in mind that Disney World Orlando doesn't attract that many passengers from Europe since we Europeans got our own Euro Disney in Paris. From Europe you don't fly all the way to Florida just to see Disney World, you include a bit more on your trip and then actually it doesn't make much difference where you set foot on American ground. You travel around anyway.


There are tons of Brits everytime I visit Orlando.
 
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Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:55 pm

lesfalls wrote:
usflyer123 wrote:
lesfalls wrote:
I'm quite surprised that they are flying to MCO more often then to FLL.


Correct me if im wrong but i think in the European perspective, Orlando is a bigger tourist destination than Miami area.

I thought it was the exact opposite! My family is european and from what I hear from relatives they would much rather go to MIA over MCO because they see it as a less touristy place. It might be a different story for the Brits and the Irish though.

The very fact that your family sees Miami as a "less touristy place" suggests that Orlando is a bigger tourist draw from Europe...
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But also keep in mind that Disney World Orlando doesn't attract that many passengers from Europe since we Europeans got our own Euro Disney in Paris.

Yes, but Disney World in Orlando is more than just the Magic Kingdom. You also got Epcot, Animal Kingdom, and all the water parks in addition to the standard resorts. And at the end of the day Disney World is Disney World. Disneyland Paris is an imitation, its just not the same/as special.

Also of course many take the opportunity to visit Universal as well.
 
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Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:21 pm

Miami must be like a million times more popular than Orlando for (continental) Europeans. Specially in Southern/Central Europe (Spain, Portugal, Italy, France, Benelux), Miami is easily the 2nd top destination for tourists after NYC.

MCO had no service to any of those countries, and leisure (Disneyworld) works well with DY's 1 or 2-weekly flights (like their new CDG-MCO). While at FLL they have to compete with the +25 European carriers and multiple daily services to pretty much every major Euro city at MIA. So I don't find surprising that they have found their niche at MCO.

I also have the feeling that another problem for FLL is that pretty much no one (again this might be slightly different in the UK) in places like France or Spain knows where or what Fort Lauderdale is. That is like talking about Benidorm to Americans; everybody in the UK knows about Benidorm, but no one in the US does. So I wouldn't be surprised that many tourists looking to visit Miami / South Florida do not even consider those flights despite being just half an hour (rental) drive from Miami. Interestingly in their website they market it as "Fort Lauderdale/Miami".
 
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Re: Norwegian increases LGW-US in 2017

Tue Dec 06, 2016 11:59 pm

lowfareair wrote:
Varsity1 wrote:
David_itl wrote:

New definition of "barely profitable": to make around $100 million profit in a quarter, Yep, clearly struggling.



Norwegian netted 246,000,000NOK last year (2015). that's 2.9 Million USD. This comes from losing 1bn NOK the year before (2014). -10m USD. Companies are expected to earn risk adjusted returns in line with the market. For a company with tens of billions of USD invested, Norwegian earns essentially nothing or even a negative return in comparison with market peers.


Cite-
https://www.norwegian.com/globalassets/ ... t_2015.pdf


They have improved their YTD net profit by over 50% YOY and have put a lot of their revenue into capital growth, similar to companies like Amazon, which directly lowers their net profit.

Also, 246m NOK is 29.3 million USD, not 2.9 million. If you can't properly convert currency, I'm not sure what you're doing trying to read financial statements.



Oslmgm and lowfareair.. hmm sounds like a pair of NAI socks. :lol:

Ooh wow, 29 million from a company with 3 billion in debt. You're seriously delusional if you're comparing a random euro LCC to Amazon. Operational revenues are up 210% since 2010. Meanwhile debt is up 970%. Diminishing returns.
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Re: Norwegian increases LGW-US in 2017

Wed Dec 07, 2016 12:55 am

Varsity1 wrote:
Oslmgm and lowfareair.. hmm sounds like a pair of NAI socks. :lol:

Ooh wow, 29 million (...)

I'm not sure what a "NAI sock" is, but I did nothing else than point out that your math/number was wrong. Instead of thanking me for that, you're doing name calling and laughing? That's immature behaviour, unworthy of this forum.
 
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Re: Norwegian increases LGW-US in 2017

Wed Dec 07, 2016 2:12 am

David_itl wrote:
There are more airports in the UK that are more than capable of handing any Norwegian expansion should LGW become full, What is with people that instantly dismiss MAN with 25 million passengers, growing at the rate of around 10% per year. EDI and BHX are also experiencing spectacular growth. All 3 have substantial catchments to help fill flight and all 3 have robust Ryanair operations if we want to go down the feeder flight line. Oh, let's also throw in the prospect of USCBP at both MAN and EDI so another nice selling point for them.

MAN is certainly growing but not at a remarkably larger rate than other major UK airports. One thing MAN/MAG are extremely good at is media spin to try and differentiate themselves, airlines see beyond that.

I have no doubt that there will be regional expansion in the future, they're already shaking up the market and dispelling the age old myth that your business model is dead if you don't offer connections, but there is still space, albeit not much, at LGW and it is certainly a catchment with money to spend, whilst wanting a good deal.

Give it time.
 
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Re: Norwegian increases LGW-US in 2017

Sat Dec 17, 2016 12:01 am

Do you think an early morning flight to Orlando, like the New York schedule, could work, with a schedule like this as an extra frequency in the summer:

LGW 06:00 - 10:30 MCO 789
MCO 12:30 - 01:30+1 LGW 789

It's not uncommon to see summer leisure flights landing at Gatwick between 12pm & 3am, and together with cheap fares I think it could work.
 
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Re: Norwegian increases LGW-US in 2017

Tue Dec 20, 2016 5:58 pm

AviationRhys wrote:
Do you think an early morning flight to Orlando, like the New York schedule, could work, with a schedule like this as an extra frequency in the summer:

LGW 06:00 - 10:30 MCO 789
MCO 12:30 - 01:30+1 LGW 789

It's not uncommon to see summer leisure flights landing at Gatwick between 12pm & 3am, and together with cheap fares I think it could work.

There is always a possibility but I don't see it happening in the 2017 summer season.
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