New Air Canada routes announced today. Both begin May 1.

Toronto - Memphis:

http://www.wmcactionnews5.com/story/339 ... ign=buffer

MEM-YYZ
Daily
3:50 p.m. - 7:04 p.m

YYZ-MEM
2:05 p.m. - 3:20 p.m.


Toronto - San Antonio

https://therivardreport.com/air-canada- ... d-toronto/

E75
YYZ-SAT
Daily
1:15 pm - 4:04 p.m.

SAT-YYZ
Daily
4:40 pm - 8:45 pm

Great news! The E175 fits well. AC now serves 4 destinations in Texas, impressive!

DariusBieber wrote:

New Air Canada routes announced today. Both begin May 1.

Toronto - Memphis:

http://www.wmcactionnews5.com/story/339 ... ign=buffer

MEM-YYZ
Daily
3:50 p.m. - 7:04 p.m

YYZ-MEM
2:05 p.m. - 3:20 p.m.


Toronto - San Antonio

https://therivardreport.com/air-canada- ... d-toronto/

E75
YYZ-SAT
Daily
1:15 pm - 4:04 p.m.

SAT-YYZ
Daily
4:40 pm - 8:45 pm

and announces YYZ-SAV, YUL-DFW, YVR-DEN and YVR-PHX?

In addition to YYZ-SAT and YYZ-MEM, I'm pretty sure YVR-DEN is also a reinstatement of a formerly flown route, while YVR-PHX is extended to year-round.

"All routes will be operated with regional jet aircraft with flights timed to conveniently connect with Air Canada's domestic and international schedule."

I'd imagine YVR-PHX will still be on Rouge over the winter months next year.

YYZ-MEM and YYZ-SAV are on a CRJ.
YUL-DFW and YYZ-SAT are on an E75.
YVR-DEN and YVR-PHX are on CRAs

New routes for Air Canada. Nice adds.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases ... 25396.html

This thread wasn't first...but there are more route announcements in this thread. I think it should stay. Are any of these mainline?
Curious in IAH was already served from YUL because it's STAR If so, glad that DFW is getting YUL service

Well, linked story states all will operated by Air Canada Express with regional jets, so no, zip mainline a/c.
I really have doubts about SAT, though. Living there, haven't really seen a need for a Canada nonstop or an additional connecting point to Europe.

mtnwest1979 wrote:

Well, linked story states all will operated by Air Canada Express with regional jets, so no, zip mainline a/c.
I really have doubts about SAT, though. Living there, haven't really seen a need for a Canada nonstop or an additional connecting point to Europe.

Agree with you on SAT (add MEM to that for the same reason). Altho AC is likely targeting TA markets with YYZ as the hub rather than point to point. Wonder if DL will respond with their own YYZ-MEM as they did before? Perhaps not since MEM was downsized.

Does AC serve Austin, Texas?

yyz717 wrote:

mtnwest1979 wrote:

Well, linked story states all will operated by Air Canada Express with regional jets, so no, zip mainline a/c.
I really have doubts about SAT, though. Living there, haven't really seen a need for a Canada nonstop or an additional connecting point to Europe.

Agree with you on SAT (add MEM to that for the same reason). Altho AC is likely targeting TA markets with YYZ as the hub rather than point to point. Wonder if DL will respond with their own YYZ-MEM as they did before? Perhaps not since MEM was downsized.

San Antonio is growing pretty quickly, and is a decent tourist destination in itself, as well as serving the Hill Country and Southwest Texas. A daily RJ should have no problem. If not, make SAT seasonal in the summer, and upgauge AUS to a year round A319.

dc10lover wrote:

Does AC serve Austin, Texas?

Yes, single daily. Used to be a CR9, it might be an E75 now.

Didn't AC have short-lived service to MEM when NW tried it or am I getting confused with another route?

Congrats to SAV! I wouldn't have guessed that since AC serves JAX. I think JAX has been a bit of a struggle for AC and they've attempted it twice now, no?

Will SAV be a CRJ?

I think AC is finally discovering how useful the US pre-clearance in YYZ is. Although there are still long lines, they are much better and faster than the lines at US international gateway airports. Combining some local demands and European connections demands, it would not be difficult to fill a regional jet to places like SAT.

clrd4t8koff wrote:

Congrats to SAV! I wouldn't have guessed that since AC serves JAX. I think JAX has been a bit of a struggle for AC and they've attempted it twice now, no?

Will SAV be a CRJ?

SAV is all about the Savannah and Hilton Head visitor markets. JAX doesn't serve either of those effectively. Just as JetBlue, Allegiant and Sun Country have discovered...if you connect SAV to large populations, people will use it. Savannah is one North America's best visitor destinations. People outside the Southeast are finally beginning to discover it. YYZ-SAV service will do well if AC offers has the right Pricing and Revenue Management strategy in place.

SAT air travel is growing. This year should see close to 9,000,000 pasengers. Even UA has upgauged equipment to DEN and EWR. The new service should do well. My wife and I will definitely take AC to YYZ. Much easier to connect to eastern Canada, than going thru EWR,

raylee67 wrote:

I think AC is finally discovering how useful the US pre-clearance in YYZ is.

Finally discovering? AC's been trying everything, for a decade. GRR. DAY. PVD. PWM!

viewtopic.php?t=551029

http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/fl ... /76292336/

http://aircanada.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=183

Dominion301 wrote:

In addition to YYZ-SAT and YYZ-MEM, I'm pretty sure YVR-DEN is also a reinstatement of a formerly flown route, while YVR-PHX is extended to year-round.

"All routes will be operated with regional jet aircraft with flights timed to conveniently connect with Air Canada's domestic and international schedule."

I'd imagine YVR-PHX will still be on Rouge over the winter months next year.

YYZ-MEM and YYZ-SAV are on a CRJ.
YUL-DFW and YYZ-SAT are on an E75.
YVR-DEN and YVR-PHX are on CRAs

DFW to YUL and YVR? Sounds like AA is missing something....

Does this work for Memphis to Europe or Asia connections at Toronto?

SeaDoo wrote:

Does this work for Memphis to Europe or Asia connections at Toronto?

Probably better than SAT's flight. That late arrival into Toronto seems weird.

ahj2000 wrote:

Dominion301 wrote:

In addition to YYZ-SAT and YYZ-MEM, I'm pretty sure YVR-DEN is also a reinstatement of a formerly flown route, while YVR-PHX is extended to year-round.

"All routes will be operated with regional jet aircraft with flights timed to conveniently connect with Air Canada's domestic and international schedule."

I'd imagine YVR-PHX will still be on Rouge over the winter months next year.

YYZ-MEM and YYZ-SAV are on a CRJ.
YUL-DFW and YYZ-SAT are on an E75.
YVR-DEN and YVR-PHX are on CRAs

DFW to YUL and YVR? Sounds like AA is missing something....

AA and AC aren't going after the same traffic. Yes they both will serve the local market, but more so, AA goes after YUL-Southern US/Florida/Mexico/Caribbean/South America traffic, while AC is targeting DFW-Europe/Africa.

Dominion301 wrote:

YVR-DEN and YVR-PHX are on CRAs

YVR-PHX I have my doubts that a CR9 can do this route economically

INFINITI329 wrote:

YVR-PHX I have my doubts that a CR9 can do this route economically

It's 500 miles less than IAH-YYC and DFW-YVR, other CRJ-900 routes. Why wouldn't it be able to fly the route economically?

Wow! Very, very exciting news for all markets involved. It seems like there are all kinds of exciting transborder opportunities - YVR-BOI, YVR-BUR, YVR-MRY, YVR-OAK, YVR-ONT, YVR-RNO, YVR-SBA, YVR-SLC, YVR-SMF, YVR-STS, YVR/YYZ-TUS, YYZ-ABQ, YYZ-CHS, YYZ-DSM, YYZ-EYW, YYZ-MSN, YYZ-OMA, YYZ-ORF, YYZ-PNS (or YYZ-ECP/VPS), YYZ-SDF, YYZ-TYS, and/or YYZ-XNA anyone?

SurfandSnow wrote:

Wow! Very, very exciting news for all markets involved. It seems like there are all kinds of exciting transborder opportunities - YVR-BOI, YVR-BUR, YVR-MRY, YVR-OAK, YVR-ONT, YVR-RNO, YVR-SBA, YVR-SLC, YVR-SMF, YVR-STS, YVR/YYZ-TUS, YYZ-ABQ, YYZ-CHS, YYZ-DSM, YYZ-EYW, YYZ-MSN, YYZ-OMA, YYZ-ORF, YYZ-PNS (or YYZ-ECP/VPS), YYZ-SDF, YYZ-TYS, and/or YYZ-XNA anyone?

From that list...

YYZ-SDF was flown, failed
YYZ-TYS was flown, failed
YYZ-CHS was flown, failed, might work for Rouge now.

YYZ-OMA was planned but I don't think it ever started.

YYZ to:
DSM, MSN and XNA are probably too small,
ABQ maybe with the CSeries coming it might be a better bet.
PNS/ECP/VPS... maybe for Rouge, but even so Gulf Coast is for some reason not that popular from Canada.
ORF... i want to say this one was tried, or PHF, but i don't remember for sure... maybe...

There are other markets closer to YYZ that would be possible too... or to try again...

YYC-OKC would be a good addition when the oil traffic market recovers. OKC and Calgary are similarly sized cities with very large oil/energy business in both.. I believe Devon Energy (large energy company HQ'd in OKC has it's Canada HQ in Calgary). Both are rapidly growing cities.

longhauler wrote:

INFINITI329 wrote:

YVR-PHX I have my doubts that a CR9 can do this route economically

It's 500 miles less than IAH-YYC and DFW-YVR, other CRJ-900 routes. Why wouldn't it be able to fly the route economically?

I underestimated the range of the CR9s. Almost 4hrs on a CRJ (YYZ-IAH) no thanks.

INFINITI329 wrote:

I underestimated the range of the CR9s. Almost 4hrs on a CRJ (YYZ-IAH) no thanks.

I guess everyone has their preferences. I'd take 2x2 seating with 34inch seat pitch, AVOD and Wifi over just about any A320 or B737.

Some of these flights times aren't optimal for connections.....Will be interesting to see how some of these routes perform.

eff 01MAY17 Toronto – Memphis 1 daily CRJ200 (Previously served until Sep 2012)
AC7271 YYZ1405 – 1520MEM CRJ D
AC7272 MEM1550 – 1904YYZ CRJ D

eff 01MAY17 Toronto – San Antonio 1 daily Embraer E175
AC7721 YYZ1250 – 1539SAT E75 D
AC7722 SAT1615 – 2020YYZ E75 D

eff 01MAY17 Toronto – Savannah 6 weekly CRJ200 (until 15OCT17, seasonal service)
AC7209 YYZ1235 – 1450SAV CRJ x6
AC7210 SAV1520 – 1735YYZ CRJ x6

eff 01MAY17 Vancouver – Phoenix 1 daily CRJ705 (overall Air Canada service converts to year-round, summer season operated by Air Canada Express)
AC8228 YVR0800 – 1100PHX CRA D
AC8229 PHX1040 – 1355YVR CRA D

eff 18MAY17 Vancouver – Denver 2 daily CRJ705 (Last served in September 2001)
AC8108 YVR1030 – 1420DEN CRA D
AC8110 YVR1435 – 1825DEN CRA D

AC8109 DEN0755 – 1000YVR CRA D
AC8111 DEN1455 – 1700YVR CRA D

eff 26MAY17 Montreal – Dallas/Ft. Worth 1 daily Embraer E175
AC7727 YUL0810 – 1115DFW E75 D
AC7728 DFW1150 – 1635YUL E75 D

northstardc4m wrote:

SurfandSnow wrote:

Wow! Very, very exciting news for all markets involved. It seems like there are all kinds of exciting transborder opportunities - YVR-BOI, YVR-BUR, YVR-MRY, YVR-OAK, YVR-ONT, YVR-RNO, YVR-SBA, YVR-SLC, YVR-SMF, YVR-STS, YVR/YYZ-TUS, YYZ-ABQ, YYZ-CHS, YYZ-DSM, YYZ-EYW, YYZ-MSN, YYZ-OMA, YYZ-ORF, YYZ-PNS (or YYZ-ECP/VPS), YYZ-SDF, YYZ-TYS, and/or YYZ-XNA anyone?

From that list...

YYZ-SDF was flown, failed
YYZ-TYS was flown, failed
YYZ-CHS was flown, failed, might work for Rouge now.

YYZ-OMA was planned but I don't think it ever started.

Wow. I honestly never knew AC flew YYZ-TYS. What year was that?

I knew AC had served CHS, but I think that ended about 15 years ago.

Any chance AC would serve YYZ-DAB or YYZ-EYW? How large are those markets?

INFINITI329 wrote:

longhauler wrote:

INFINITI329 wrote:

YVR-PHX I have my doubts that a CR9 can do this route economically

It's 500 miles less than IAH-YYC and DFW-YVR, other CRJ-900 routes. Why wouldn't it be able to fly the route economically?

I underestimated the range of the CR9s. Almost 4hrs on a CRJ (YYZ-IAH) no thanks.

Have you ever been in an AC/Jazz CRJ705? It's a 900 with 75 seats, soon to be converted to 76 seats. Best seat pitch in the whole AC fleet, great to ride on....

Whiteguy wrote:

INFINITI329 wrote:

longhauler wrote:

It's 500 miles less than IAH-YYC and DFW-YVR, other CRJ-900 routes. Why wouldn't it be able to fly the route economically?

I underestimated the range of the CR9s. Almost 4hrs on a CRJ (YYZ-IAH) no thanks.

Have you ever been in an AC/Jazz CRJ705? It's a 900 with 75 seats, soon to be converted to 76 seats. Best seat pitch in the whole AC fleet, great to ride on....

I happen to agree. Flew it on YYZ-MSY last year, very comfortable. Also flew it in J on YUL-IAH about 5 years back in seat 1A...great ride.

Great to see Air Canada up to five daily departures out of DFW.

ahj2000 wrote:

DFW to YUL and YVR? Sounds like AA is missing something....

It is true that AA has downgauged DFW-YUL from a 737 to an A319 to an E175 - likely related as much to forex impacts on traffic as anything else - but I'm not sure what AA is "missing." AA in peak summer has nine daily flights from DFW to Canada, including three to YVR and a daily to YUL (plus three daily YYZ and two daily YYC).

Thenoflyzone wrote:

AC is targeting DFW-Europe/Africa.

Thenoflyzone wrote:

eff 26MAY17 Montreal – Dallas/Ft. Worth 1 daily Embraer E175
AC7727 YUL0810 – 1115DFW E75 D
AC7728 DFW1150 – 1635YUL E75 D

As said, the schedule for Air Canada's new DFW-YUL flights are far from ideal for two-way connectivity to/from Europe. The YUL arrival is arguably well-timed, but obviously the YUL departure would require an overnight.

Noise wrote:

Any chance AC would serve YYZ-DAB or YYZ-EYW? How large are those markets?

Rouge to DAB maybe... Porter flies to MLB, and there have been flights into DAB from YYZ before. Though DAB's problem is the proximity of MCO for lower airfares, and the drive being so short few vacationers would question driving I4 to Daytona from Orlando if they were going to get a rental car anyways.

EYW i doubt could work, just too small. Plus with the short runway at EYW what kind of payload would a Rouge A319 look at to YYZ? CRJ can't do EYW, CRA could but i really doubt theres any premium demand, and E75 or E90 are the same issue. Too far for a Q400. CS100 maybe but again with the lack of J demand for full service.

AVLAirlineFreq wrote:

Wow. I honestly never knew AC flew YYZ-TYS. What year was that?

98 or 99... really didn't last.I only remember cause there were a couple cases of typos sending people/cargo to Timmins (YTS) instead of Knoxville (TYS) that made the local news.

commavia wrote:

As said, the schedule for Air Canada's new DFW-YUL flights are far from ideal for two-way connectivity to/from Europe. The YUL arrival is arguably well-timed, but obviously the YUL departure would require an overnight.

Yes, I saw that this morning, once airlineroute posted the flight schedules. Weird indeed.

YYZ-MEM and SAT are even worse, as connections are pretty weak on either end of the flights. Will be interesting to see how these routes develop.

Whiteguy wrote:

Have you ever been in an AC/Jazz CRJ705? It's a 900 with 75 seats, soon to be converted to 76 seats. Best seat pitch in the whole AC fleet, great to ride on....

I have only been on a CR9, legroom isn't the issue. The nose down attitude always has me feeling as if a I am slipping out my seat and that's makes it uncomfortable for me on both the CR7 & CR9

INFINITI329 wrote:

Whiteguy wrote:

Have you ever been in an AC/Jazz CRJ705? It's a 900 with 75 seats, soon to be converted to 76 seats. Best seat pitch in the whole AC fleet, great to ride on....

I have only been on a CR9, legroom isn't the issue. The nose down attitude always has me feeling as if a I am slipping out my seat and that's makes it uncomfortable for me on both the CR7 & CR9

Yeah I've noticed that. Why were the CR7s and CR9s built in such a way (with the nose down while flying)?

IIRC, AC announced YYZ-DAB before 9/11 with a CRJ only to not fly it.

They also flew YYZ-CHS. CHS is equally a vacation destination as much as SAV. I wouldn't be surprised to see them restart CHS.

IIRC, they flew GSO-YOW/YYZ before as well. GSO could work.

And what about YYZ-SJC?

commavia wrote:

As said, the schedule for Air Canada's new DFW-YUL flights are far from ideal for two-way connectivity to/from Europe. The YUL arrival is arguably well-timed, but obviously the YUL departure would require an overnight.

This will likely be a scenario where the YUL outbound loads will be in the 70s and the inbounds will be in the high 80s due to the lack of morning connectivity.

Thenoflyzone wrote:

commavia wrote:

As said, the schedule for Air Canada's new DFW-YUL flights are far from ideal for two-way connectivity to/from Europe. The YUL arrival is arguably well-timed, but obviously the YUL departure would require an overnight.

Yes, I saw that this morning, once airlineroute posted the flight schedules. Weird indeed.

YYZ-MEM and SAT are even worse, as connections are pretty weak on either end of the flights. Will be interesting to see how these routes develop.

You can only fly so many flights at the optimal times of the day with the same fleet of aircraft. There's still plenty of connections to eastern Canada to make a CRJ and E75 work respectively.

USAirALB wrote:

IIRC, AC announced YYZ-DAB before 9/11 with a CRJ only to not fly it.

They also flew YYZ-CHS. CHS is equally a vacation destination as much as SAV. I wouldn't be surprised to see them restart CHS.

IIRC, they flew GSO-YOW/YYZ before as well. GSO could work.

It was GSO-YYZ only on as I recall as daily CRJ. YOW had RDU 1-2x/day during the high-tech boom heyday. The route was dubbed the Nortel Shuttle. It went away as did Nortel. It was actually launched by CP about a year before the merger on an F28!

Noise wrote:

INFINITI329 wrote:

Whiteguy wrote:

Have you ever been in an AC/Jazz CRJ705? It's a 900 with 75 seats, soon to be converted to 76 seats. Best seat pitch in the whole AC fleet, great to ride on....

I have only been on a CR9, legroom isn't the issue. The nose down attitude always has me feeling as if a I am slipping out my seat and that's makes it uncomfortable for me on both the CR7 & CR9

Yeah I've noticed that. Why were the CR7s and CR9s built in such a way (with the nose down while flying)?

Flown on the CRJ705/900s many times, doesn't feel nose down at all. Like most aircraft it flies with a nose up attitude......

longhauler wrote:

INFINITI329 wrote:

I underestimated the range of the CR9s. Almost 4hrs on a CRJ (YYZ-IAH) no thanks.

I guess everyone has their preferences. I'd take 2x2 seating with 34inch seat pitch, AVOD and Wifi over just about any A320 or B737.

So would I. The AC Express CR9 fleet are the most comfortable aircraft in the entire AC fleet, as far as Y goes.

Dominion301 wrote:

Thenoflyzone wrote:

commavia wrote:

As said, the schedule for Air Canada's new DFW-YUL flights are far from ideal for two-way connectivity to/from Europe. The YUL arrival is arguably well-timed, but obviously the YUL departure would require an overnight.

Yes, I saw that this morning, once airlineroute posted the flight schedules. Weird indeed.

YYZ-MEM and SAT are even worse, as connections are pretty weak on either end of the flights. Will be interesting to see how these routes develop.

You can only fly so many flights at the optimal times of the day with the same fleet of aircraft. There's still plenty of connections to eastern Canada to make a CRJ and E75 work respectively.

The problem as AC's network spreads south and west is that, at some point, YYZ is really only competitive for eastern Canada. I have a client in Winnipeg, and BNA-YYZ-YWG can be an attractive option. If I went to YYC or YVR a lot, the same would likely be true. But SAT-YYZ-YVR does not make sense.