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First United 777-300ER Routes Announced

Fri Dec 09, 2016 6:44 pm

EWR-SFO eff Feb16th
SFO-HKG eff Mar25th

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/uniteds-t ... 00394.html

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Seems like change in plans to make SFO first international gateway instead of EWR.
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Re: First United 777-300ER Routes Announced

Fri Dec 09, 2016 7:03 pm

FlightGlobal has a story up

United to premier 777-300ER on Hong Kong flights
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ts-432305/

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Re: First United 777-300ER Routes Announced

Fri Dec 09, 2016 7:10 pm

According to the google site, UA is retiring one 744 in March '17 and the next one in June '17. The SFO-HKG will replace a 744 so the March transition to Int'l service makes some sense although UA should have approx. 6 77Ws on property by the end of March and the balance of all 14 by June. A net gain of 12, by mid-2017!!!

If UA doesn't accelerate the 744 retirements, there's going to be a lot of new lift.

from the article: "United will staff the aircraft with crews from its Hong Kong and Newark bases, the spokesman says."
The ultra-senior SFO-based AFA members are not going to be happy.
 
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Fri Dec 09, 2016 7:16 pm

They may upgauge some routes to 77W routes replacing not just 744s but also 772ERs. It's certainly possible they will accelerate the 744 retirements but the bean counters need to see how that pencils out given some of the work they've done on them like the streaming content etc.
 
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Re: First United 777-300ER Routes Announced

Fri Dec 09, 2016 7:26 pm

Days ago I said the 77W's would be over the Pacific before you know. People were swearing they would be flying from EWR and the 787-9 was perfect for UA Pacific strategy. I forgot who..
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Fri Dec 09, 2016 7:29 pm

Feels like UA has always had a ton of maint related delays on the HKG 747 flights so this seems like a good move.
 
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Fri Dec 09, 2016 7:33 pm

keesje wrote:
Days ago I said the 77W's would be over the Pacific before you know. People were swearing they would be flying from EWR and the 787-9 was perfect for UA Pacific strategy. I forgot who..


Nobody was saying they wouldn't be flying across the Pacific, they were saying it was going to be the EWR Pacific routes first....
 
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Fri Dec 09, 2016 7:36 pm

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They may upgauge some routes to 77W routes replacing not just 744s but also 772ERs.


And 777-200 non-ERs. Remember that there will be 10 fewer 777-200s available over what UA had last summer since they are transitioning to domestic use.
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Re: First United 777-300ER Routes Announced

Fri Dec 09, 2016 8:13 pm

As previously discussed and speculated. It makes sense. SFO-HKG is not only a very long flight where the 777's fuel efficiency over a 747 would be particular valuable, but it was arguably one of the United longhaul markets where the disparity between the onboard product United was offering versus its nonstop competitors (Cathay and Singapore) was arguably most pronounced.
 
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Fri Dec 09, 2016 8:32 pm

SFOtoORD wrote:
Feels like UA has always had a ton of maint related delays on the HKG 747 flights so this seems like a good move.


The 744s fly SFO-FRA-SFO too .. anytime I've put someone on those flights there's a delay .. last one during the summer was a 24-hour delay FRA-SFO ..
 
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Re: First United 777-300ER Routes Announced

Fri Dec 09, 2016 8:57 pm

“Our 777-300ER fleet represents a new era in premium air travel,” Yes I'm sure it does :roll:
 
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Re: First United 777-300ER Routes Announced

Fri Dec 09, 2016 9:01 pm

jetblastdubai wrote:
If UA doesn't accelerate the 744 retirements, there's going to be a lot of new lift.


Latest 744 retirement schedule:

Feb 2017 - 1
Jun 2017 - 1
Sep 2017 - 1
Oct 2017 - 3
Nov 2017 - 1
Dec 2017 - 1
Jan 2018 - 1
Feb 2018 - 1
Mar 2018 - 1
Apr 2018 - 1
Aug 2018 - 2
Sep 2018 - 1
Oct 2018 - 5


jetblastdubai wrote:
"United will staff the aircraft with crews from its Hong Kong and Newark bases, the spokesman says."
The ultra-senior SFO-based AFA members are not going to be happy.


HKG staff the flight today, so nothing changes with the equipment change.

SFOtoORD wrote:
Feels like UA has always had a ton of maint related delays on the HKG 747 flights so this seems like a good move.


Unfortunately when things go wrong this flight will continue to cancel more frequently. Due to its long nature and now FAR117 there simply is not much operational leeway before crews time out.

Its not just a UA issue, AA LAX-HKG cancelled again last week as maintenance had a very small window to troubleshoot and repair a APU fault before crew was released.
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Fri Dec 09, 2016 9:04 pm

I guess that since the operational differences between the 77W and the 772 are small compared to an entirely novel type, UA will not be flying the fleet on a bunch of short domestic hops to build up familiarity. EWR-SFO is a good starter route, but then a rapid transition to long-haul service will make sense.
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Fri Dec 09, 2016 9:15 pm

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The ultra-senior SFO-based AFA members are not going to be happy.


These are the FA's who should NOT be on these flights. They fly these routes which seem to be a monopoly for them only, just to clock up their minimum hours. These are long-haul flagship routes against which you're competing with the Asian carriers, and unfortunately for the Big 3, these carriers are staffed by younger, more agile, motivated and enthusiastic FA's who provided arguably superior service and have stamina compared to the service rendered by the senior FA's on the Big 3 on the same routes. I know this is an inflammatory comment but I am just spelling it out as it is. Having a new aircraft for UA is not going to change things, service will remain the same, surly, inconsistent and indifferent. The more the Big 3 pander to these senior FA's who are just albatrosses around the neck of the airlines hanging around to collect their pensions, the more difficult it is to compete. I take 7-10 trips to Asia annually and whenever I have choice, I avoid the US Big 3 unless compelled to fly them due to seat availability/price.
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Re: First United 777-300ER Routes Announced

Fri Dec 09, 2016 9:50 pm

I just wish my 777 flight from LAX-DEN would be upgraded to a 77W.... I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled to be going on a 777, just wish it had a seatback TV
 
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Re: First United 777-300ER Routes Announced

Fri Dec 09, 2016 9:53 pm

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EWR-SFO eff Feb16th


Is it loaded in schedules yet which one of the many EWR-SFO daily flights will be on 77W? I might have tweak my travel around to snag a ride on the Big New Bird if possible.
 
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Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:02 pm

keesje wrote:
Days ago I said the 77W's would be over the Pacific before you know. People were swearing they would be flying from EWR and the 787-9 was perfect for UA Pacific strategy. I forgot who..


Keesje I think you are misrepresenting the truth again. Here is a quote from you in the Qantas A350 thread shortly before it got locked for being off topic A vs B

LAX77LR, interesting, but some may be fanboy-ish info we won't observe in real operations. United is flying Australia 787 because of 747 early retirement but will get their first 773ER's in a few days and a boatload of A350-1000s after that. Everyone is free to assume Australia will be 787 for UA, but I would book quickly if you want to fly it..

You seemed to be posting that 787s would imminently be replaced to Australia (not across the Pacific). So far United has not indicated 777s are imminently headed to Australia. I think most assumed that the 77Ws would be flying EWR-Asia with possibly some rotations through SFO.
 
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Re: First United 777-300ER Routes Announced

Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:10 pm

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As previously discussed and speculated. It makes sense. SFO-HKG is not only a very long flight where the 777's fuel efficiency over a 747 would be particular valuable, but it was arguably one of the United longhaul markets where the disparity between the onboard product United was offering versus its nonstop competitors (Cathay and Singapore) was arguably most pronounced.





I agree 10000%. When I flew Cathay Business Class last year I said to myself the whole flight "So how can United compete with this to Hong Kong"? And I always stated the fact of why would a Google or Apple executive from The Bay Area pay $6-8k to potentially sit in a rear facing middle seat 4-across in Business Class versus 5 Star top notch service and direct aisle access seating on Cathay Pacific. I am very happy that UA picked the 773 on SFO-HKG because Cathay is tough competitor to that region. I do think that UA should deploy another 773 on their EWR-HKG route.
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Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:34 pm

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commavia wrote:
As previously discussed and speculated. It makes sense. SFO-HKG is not only a very long flight where the 777's fuel efficiency over a 747 would be particular valuable, but it was arguably one of the United longhaul markets where the disparity between the onboard product United was offering versus its nonstop competitors (Cathay and Singapore) was arguably most pronounced.





I agree 10000%. When I flew Cathay Business Class last year I said to myself the whole flight "So how can United compete with this to Hong Kong"? And I always stated the fact of why would a Google or Apple executive from The Bay Area pay $6-8k to potentially sit in a rear facing middle seat 4-across in Business Class versus 5 Star top notch service and direct aisle access seating on Cathay Pacific. I am very happy that UA picked the 773 on SFO-HKG because Cathay is tough competitor to that region. I do think that UA should deploy another 773 on their EWR-HKG route.


Because United gives significant discount to Apple and Google.

It may appears in the system that shows $7k to HKG. Apple pays less than half of that fare. Usually toward end of the year because Apple bought too many seats they would force employee to take United and ban other carriers.
 
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Re: First United 777-300ER Routes Announced

Fri Dec 09, 2016 11:11 pm

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As previously discussed and speculated. It makes sense.


Also, HKG is conveniently the home of arguably the most experienced 777 mx facility on the planet. That's a nice thing to have at the other end of a type's first long haul route.
 
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Re: First United 777-300ER Routes Announced

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Is it avaliable for booking yet? I just looked on UA's website and I didn't find it.
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Is it avaliable for booking yet? I just looked on UA's website and I didn't find it.


Not yet should be available for booking tomorrow.
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I just wish my 777 flight from LAX-DEN would be upgraded to a 77W.... I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled to be going on a 777, just wish it had a seatback TV


The LAX-DEN-LAX rotation was subbed out with an international 3-class 772 the other day. So you can always get lucky!
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rnav2dlrey wrote:
commavia wrote:
As previously discussed and speculated. It makes sense.


Also, HKG is conveniently the home of arguably the most experienced 777 mx facility on the planet. That's a nice thing to have at the other end of a type's first long haul route.

I don't think having a heavy check facility nearby is even a consideration. Especially since those planes won't see that hangar for a few more years.
 
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Re: First United 777-300ER Routes Announced

Sat Dec 10, 2016 1:03 am

EWR - SFO is a fun route with various aircraft now. I used to do it a few years back quite frequently and it was 738s/739s with occasional 752s. Now you can get 772s and 77Ws.

Seems like a great plane to leverage out of SFO as well as EWR. No doubt they want to get their flagship plane/product on routes such as SFO-HKG.

chiawei wrote:
staralliance85 wrote:
I agree 10000%. When I flew Cathay Business Class last year I said to myself the whole flight "So how can United compete with this to Hong Kong"? And I always stated the fact of why would a Google or Apple executive from The Bay Area pay $6-8k to potentially sit in a rear facing middle seat 4-across in Business Class versus 5 Star top notch service and direct aisle access seating on Cathay Pacific. I am very happy that UA picked the 773 on SFO-HKG because Cathay is tough competitor to that region. I do think that UA should deploy another 773 on their EWR-HKG route.


Because United gives significant discount to Apple and Google.

It may appears in the system that shows $7k to HKG. Apple pays less than half of that fare. Usually toward end of the year because Apple bought too many seats they would force employee to take United and ban other carriers.


Not to mention quite few other Silicon Valley/ San Francisco companies that even have their name listed for dedicated check in desks @ SFO. Sure it is anecdotal, but the people I know/work with they are never on the "5 star airlines" when traveling over the Pacific or to India. The US3 cater to their business contracts and as a result it is ButtInSeat miles earned.
 
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intotheair wrote:
rj777 wrote:
I just wish my 777 flight from LAX-DEN would be upgraded to a 77W.... I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled to be going on a 777, just wish it had a seatback TV


The LAX-DEN-LAX rotation was subbed out with an international 3-class 772 the other day. So you can always get lucky!


God I hope so! I'm flying it on Wed, Feb 15th, so you never know.
 
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Sat Dec 10, 2016 4:57 am

Slightly off-topic but what kind of cockpits do these 77Ws have? Like the original 77Ws or like the 787s?
 
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VS11 wrote:
Slightly off-topic but what kind of cockpits do these 77Ws have? Like the original 77Ws or like the 787s?


All 77Ws have the same flight deck, the 777X will have a similar layout to the 787s and 737MAX.
 
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Any chance of seeing these from Chicago?
 
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Perhaps someone has asked this question and received a proper reply, but why in the world does UA need nearly two months after delivery, of a simple 777 stretch, till entry of scheduled service? Are they introducing some sort of new equipment that requires certification whether with the FAA or within the company. UA will have at least two if not three 77Ws by the time it even enters the announced Feb 15 start of EWR-SFO-EWR. I get it if they will not start int'l services immediately, but surely they could kick the birds into service as early as after New Years on domestic routes and work out the kinks in the new planes.
 
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The second 777-300ER for United Airlines is scheduled for a B1 flight from Everett December 10
 
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Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:02 am

Having flown SQ and UA in economy and business on SFO>HKG, I'd agree this is the right move. Kudos to UA management for upgrading this route.

With that being said, I'd say EWR>HKG should be second. In a very short period of time, CX has built up 4 or 5 daily 77W's from JFK while UA has remained one 772 daily. Some of that has to be due to product (I know some is contracts, airport, etc.)

After that, let's have a seat and get some popcorn for the next route announcement.
 
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Seat Map is also out on UA.com
 
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Sat Dec 10, 2016 1:29 pm

I'd guess that EWR-HKG will swap from the 777-200ER to the 777-300ER as more -300ER frames are delivered. Have to ask if the 777-300ER is emerging though as the 747-400 replacement for UA as opposed to the A350? I am aware this was discussed in a prior forum post, but does anyone think that with changes to UA's management, the 350 order will indeed be swapped for A321LR and potentially even a new wide body for UA, which would be an A330 as a 767-300ER/400 replacement? They also have 787-10 on order so curious as to whether some combination of A and B wide bodies will ultimately be the 777-200ER/767-300ER/400) replacements and the 787-8/9 will continue to do what they do now for UA, which is to open up and maintain the types of routes they are being flown on presently.
 
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Carpethead wrote:
Perhaps someone has asked this question and received a proper reply, but why in the world does UA need nearly two months after delivery, of a simple 777 stretch, till entry of scheduled service? Are they introducing some sort of new equipment that requires certification whether with the FAA or within the company. UA will have at least two if not three 77Ws by the time it even enters the announced Feb 15 start of EWR-SFO-EWR. I get it if they will not start int'l services immediately, but surely they could kick the birds into service as early as after New Years on domestic routes and work out the kinks in the new planes.


I don't know if this is why, but sometimes airlines find it cheaper to install some components on the plane themselves after delivery. For example if they have been using a supplemental type certificate to install WIFI on their current fleet, Boeing may not offer that configuration from that supplier in production. It might be cheaper or easier to do it themselves. Small airlines usually have the manufacturer install everything and brand new airplane types like the 787 usually don't have STCs. UA has had their 777s a long time and done many mods which might not be offered by Boeing.
 
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Carpethead wrote:
Perhaps someone has asked this question and received a proper reply, but why in the world does UA need nearly two months after delivery, of a simple 777 stretch, till entry of scheduled service?....


Schedule as released is when the daily, scheduled services will commence. Aircraft will actually be placed into passenger services before those published dates on random routes and dates.
 
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Sat Dec 10, 2016 3:25 pm

Given the gulf between luxury airlines from both Asia and Europe and UA, and assuming that the Polaris 77W (and improved service also) closes that gap enough to mitigate the serious disappointments, this is a smart first route. Especially since others are just months away.

The part that stumps me more is that the first Polaris lounge is at ORD which won't have 100% on-board Polaris for a while. I think EWR and SFO should have been first in order to provide the FULL effect when the 77W's are all scheduled.
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Aww, so much for me hoping for a IAH-DUB 77W flight......
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Sat Dec 10, 2016 4:24 pm

Does the 777-300ER suppose to serve only Trans Pacific routes or other busy routes such as EWR-TLV, SFO-LHR etc...
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They fly these routes which seem to be a monopoly for them only, just to clock up their minimum hours. These are long-haul flagship routes against which you're competing with the Asian carriers, and unfortunately for the Big 3, these carriers are staffed by younger, more agile, motivated and enthusiastic FA's who provided arguably superior service and have stamina compared to the service rendered by the senior FA's on the Big 3 on the same routes. I know this is an inflammatory comment but I am just spelling it out as it is. Having a new aircraft for UA is not going to change things, service will remain the same, surly, inconsistent and indifferent. The more the Big 3 pander to these senior FA's who are just albatrosses around the neck of the airlines hanging around to collect their pensions, the more difficult it is to compete. I take 7-10 trips to Asia annually and whenever I have choice, I avoid the US Big 3 unless compelled to fly them due to seat availability/price.


Don't get married.

That said, it's a new product, and UA has made some rather lengthy strides since the days of old. With so much innovation, I am sure that the 'customer service' component will too, be more highly monitored. In the past few years, with the advent of social media, the addition of 'satisfaction surveys' post-trip, and the greater ease with which a customer can (and in most cases, is willing to) complain - UA will, sooner or later, have to look at how the service can be improved. They are going to now, have little or no reason - to effectively compete in the market. If the market slides away - you can no longer blame the plane. Considering CX's current position/predicament - this is the best defense.
 
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Skyguy wrote:
jetblastdubai wrote:

The ultra-senior SFO-based AFA members are not going to be happy.


These are the FA's who should NOT be on these flights. They fly these routes which seem to be a monopoly for them only, just to clock up their minimum hours. These are long-haul flagship routes against which you're competing with the Asian carriers, and unfortunately for the Big 3, these carriers are staffed by younger, more agile, motivated and enthusiastic FA's who provided arguably superior service and have stamina compared to the service rendered by the senior FA's on the Big 3 on the same routes. I know this is an inflammatory comment but I am just spelling it out as it is. Having a new aircraft for UA is not going to change things, service will remain the same, surly, inconsistent and indifferent. The more the Big 3 pander to these senior FA's who are just albatrosses around the neck of the airlines hanging around to collect their pensions, the more difficult it is to compete. I take 7-10 trips to Asia annually and whenever I have choice, I avoid the US Big 3 unless compelled to fly them due to seat availability/price.


"...to these senior FA's who are just albatrosses around the neck of the airlines hanging around to collect their pensions..."

Didn't these "senior FA's" - well, all employees at pmUA - lose their pensions in UA's bankruptcy? Maybe that's why they're still working; maybe they're trying to replace the pension money and in any case, don't have a pension to retire with.
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Re: First United 777-300ER Routes Announced

Sat Dec 10, 2016 4:57 pm

usflyer123 wrote:
Does the 777-300ER suppose to serve only Trans Pacific routes or other busy routes such as EWR-TLV, SFO-LHR etc...


Eventually, when larger numbers of them arrive - they will be distributed to the routes that demand the range/capacity. Consider them, in the same vein of how AA uses their 77Ws - more like flagships, on the routes that can afford them to be there. I expect that both of the SFO and EWR can command those premiums higher, as fortress hubs - and logically also as those are the focal points for their Trans-Pacific and Trans-Atlantic 'theaters', respectively. I expect though that as numbers build, we could see similar strategy of how these aircraft are used (with scissor routing to optimization, as with AA and the DFW-HKG-LAX-HKG-DFW routing where and when it perfectly suits the needs of UA's operation). As EWR and SFO are the expected focus, expect a few domestic re-positioning flights on the SFO-EWR routes.

So, to toss it back to everyone else - what else would require the growth?

Would a SFO-TLV-EWR-TLV-SFO work?

UA is not AA, and LHR has BA - so perhaps not as many 77Ws on the LHR runs as overall demand is down. In future though, they could upguage the SFO, EWR routes to the 77W - and perhaps a frequency on the ORD-LHR. With LAX just being launched as double daily, IAH during the low petrochemical price cycle, and IAD with less growth; those might not need the gauge, but could in future. This 77W is a great aircraft for UA and LHR, if only due to slots.
 
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Sat Dec 10, 2016 5:03 pm

gon2fly wrote:
Carpethead wrote:
Perhaps someone has asked this question and received a proper reply, but why in the world does UA need nearly two months after delivery, of a simple 777 stretch, till entry of scheduled service?....


Schedule as released is when the daily, scheduled services will commence. Aircraft will actually be placed into passenger services before those published dates on random routes and dates.


Also, many of these routes require three (3) frames to operate, not just a single aircraft.
 
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Re: First United 777-300ER Routes Announced

Sat Dec 10, 2016 5:12 pm

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Didn't these "senior FA's" - well, all employees at pmUA - lose their pensions in UA's bankruptcy? Maybe that's why they're still working; maybe they're trying to replace the pension money and in any case, don't have a pension to retire with.


...and people expect them not to be "surly, inconsistent and indifferent,". After having the rug pulled out, and then having to work into my 'retirement' age, to save for a retirement. Right to be 'salty', as far as I am concerned. That said, why do people still fly them? As I suspect - most of these employees are upset, perhaps overworked, perhaps underpaid, certainly disillusioned - but they put that behind them and do their job, and in many cases - a good one at that, all the moreso that the company is headed in a forward direction - and that they have alot to now be proud of, together. This is a first step, and while it might not be a CX or SQ direct competitor - this is a big step forward for UA (and the previous CO). Let's see what the future holds, and based on the how close the conceptualization has come to the actual executed product - I am sure that UA has spent intelligently to greatly improve on the passenger experience. Considering that the personal/customer experience is the most important - it's inconceivable that UA did not also prepare their staff as well.
 
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Re: First United 777-300ER Routes Announced

Sat Dec 10, 2016 5:16 pm

RL777 wrote:
VS11 wrote:
Slightly off-topic but what kind of cockpits do these 77Ws have? Like the original 77Ws or like the 787s?


All 77Ws have the same flight deck, the 777X will have a similar layout to the 787s and 737MAX.


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Re: First United 777-300ER Routes Announced

Sun Dec 11, 2016 5:44 pm

Rajahdhani wrote:
FlyHossD wrote:
Didn't these "senior FA's" - well, all employees at pmUA - lose their pensions in UA's bankruptcy? Maybe that's why they're still working; maybe they're trying to replace the pension money and in any case, don't have a pension to retire with.


...and people expect them not to be "surly, inconsistent and indifferent,". After having the rug pulled out, and then having to work into my 'retirement' age, to save for a retirement. Right to be 'salty', as far as I am concerned. That said, why do people still fly them? As I suspect - most of these employees are upset, perhaps overworked, perhaps underpaid, certainly disillusioned - but they put that behind them and do their job, and in many cases - a good one at that, all the moreso that the company is headed in a forward direction - and that they have alot to now be proud of, together. This is a first step, and while it might not be a CX or SQ direct competitor - this is a big step forward for UA (and the previous CO). Let's see what the future holds, and based on the how close the conceptualization has come to the actual executed product - I am sure that UA has spent intelligently to greatly improve on the passenger experience. Considering that the personal/customer experience is the most important - it's inconceivable that UA did not also prepare their staff as well.


"Why do people still fly them?" I have only one POV, and that is just mine. I was hooked into UA 25 years ago by working for a company that had a UA contract, plus, I had important reasons to fly to Brazil, and at the time VARIG was part of Star Alliance, it all made sense. CO was my #2 carrier. Today, 25 years later, I have quite the status on UA and historically (especially legacy UA) did treat their loyalist extremely well...plenty of free upgrades and the 1K (or Global Services) service was awesome when you were in a real jam, eg: your flight was cancelled or missed a connection. So, that's why I toughed out the merger. As much as I love the luxury airlines, they are indeed a treat, basically UA gets the job done just fine. As for "surly" FA's and gate agents, phone reps, I really never had a problem. The only time is when you'd hang out in the galley and they would open up. But I think all of them are professional enough NOT to take out their anger or frustration on the passengers.

Now back to the 77W and then the rest of UA improving. While I am very excited to experience a major leap forward, they will have one of the best new aircraft fleet, the darn good seat, nicer lounges, the food and the good service worth paying for. Few or no more freebees!
To Most the Sky is The Limit, For me, the Sky is Home.
 
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Re: First United 777-300ER Routes Announced

Sun Dec 11, 2016 6:51 pm

I have tons of friends who work for Google and routinely fly United J to Asia, and they choose it. Why? Usually it's because the time works best for them. And they want their miles. The vast majority of Apple employees are not allowed to fly in J - it's Y only. They pick the schedule they want, and usually UA works best. That plus, again, the miles. Also, both of these companies (and many others) have a contract with United, and their employees have to fly it.


staralliance85 wrote:
commavia wrote:
As previously discussed and speculated. It makes sense. SFO-HKG is not only a very long flight where the 777's fuel efficiency over a 747 would be particular valuable, but it was arguably one of the United longhaul markets where the disparity between the onboard product United was offering versus its nonstop competitors (Cathay and Singapore) was arguably most pronounced.





I agree 10000%. When I flew Cathay Business Class last year I said to myself the whole flight "So how can United compete with this to Hong Kong"? And I always stated the fact of why would a Google or Apple executive from The Bay Area pay $6-8k to potentially sit in a rear facing middle seat 4-across in Business Class versus 5 Star top notch service and direct aisle access seating on Cathay Pacific. I am very happy that UA picked the 773 on SFO-HKG because Cathay is tough competitor to that region. I do think that UA should deploy another 773 on their EWR-HKG route.
 
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UA Announces First 77W International route

Fri Dec 16, 2016 7:49 pm

I haven't seen this posted anywhere if it is mods feel free to delete this thread.

On Flying Together UA has announced the first international route on the 77W will be SFO-HKG-SFO, 77W service will replace 744 service on beginning on March 25, 2017.

This seems to support some insider information employees at WHQ were told earlier this week, which was UA is now considering basing all 14 77W's at SFO so that UA can accelerate the retirement of some of the 744's and upgauge some routes the are currently being flown by 789's. I posted part of the information we were given in another thread but quick version is this UA is this everyone involved in UA's reevaluation of our future wide body needs agrees the 744's need to go and the sooner the better. While the 789's have worked out great at SFO they lack the capacity UA needs for flights out of SFO. Basing all 77W's at SFO will help UA retire some 744's earlier than UA originally planned while not sacrificing a lot of capacity. What we were told in this informal meeting for update if that is what you want to call it is there are some UA executives who believe EWR-DEL/BOM, EWR-HKG and ORD-HKG should remain 772ER's for now and all 14 77W's should go to SFO.

In a few weeks UA will announced more 77W international routes they claim they are waiting for Boeing to confirm the delivery timeline of future 77W's I guess we will just have to wait and see. But don't be surprised if the insider information we were given becomes fact and all 14 77W's end up based at SFO and not EWR.
 
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Re: UA Announces First 77W International route

Fri Dec 16, 2016 8:10 pm

Any chance of a top off order for 6-10 77W'S if all 77W orders may now be based in SFO?

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