LionelHutz wrote:

sunrisevalley wrote:

LionelHutz wrote:

QF seat map/aircraft info for the 789 gives a range of 14,498 km (or 7,828 NM) http://www.qantas.com/travel/airlines/a ... /global/en

Based on 789 performance data that I am familiar with, this value is low. Now the weight per passenger incl. baggage can make quite a difference. But if QF weights are about 110/113kg the range quoted is ~ 500nm low. At 7828nm PER-LHR would not be a starter.

You get a better figure out of Boeing's 787 ACAP document for the 789. More in line with your figures.

Assuming OEW of 284,000 lb, plus payload of 236 pax/baggage (let's generously say 90kg / 200 lb each) is 284,000 + 236 x 200 (47,200) = 331,200 lb, cross referenced on ACAP payload/range chart gives nearly 8,300 NM or 15,371 km.

I know, I know, that this is just the generic ACAP, not the specific operating manual for QF's configuration.
But definitely different from the figures plonked into the website

Still I don't know what prevailing winds are like on the PER-LHR route, I assume not too bad unlike TPAC? Otherwise you would start bumping into the range ceiling and diversions became an issue occasionally?
I guess it must be favourable enough for QF to be happy with it as a route.

qf789 wrote:

smi0006 wrote:

DeltaB717 wrote:

Korean Air will switch its current A333 ICN-SYD-ICN service to the B747-8i (74H) effective 1 September 2017. If I'm not mistaken, this would be the first 74H service for SYD (and, no doubt, the last as well).

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... f-03jan17/

That's exciting and seems to be permanent. Nice to see any extra variety these days.

Be great to see a KE-789 in MEL.

It wont be permanent, KE will upgrade to A388 for NW17/18 from 29 October 17

https://www.ausbt.com.au/korean-air-pla ... for-sydney

Ryanair01 wrote:

Anyone know what the cause of this was?
http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-up ... 7b216239d1

743Flyer wrote:

Does anybody happen to know much about QF's services to HRE in the 1980's? I was digging around at home and found a old QF route map which shows the only route they had out of ADL was to HRE. I know QF used to operate PER-HRE and eventually PER-JNB-HRE-PER in late 1990's/early 2000's but never heard of them operating ADL-HRE. I can't seem to find any indication online that QF used to operate this route. I'm fairly sure the map is from the early 1980's but I may be wrong. Can anyone shed some light regarding this?

DavidByrne wrote:

QF only ever flew to HRE via PER. Once JNB was politically able to be served again, they persevered with HRE for a while, operating weekly SYD-PER-HRE-JNB-PER-SYD and weekly in the reverse direction. However didn't take so long for HRE to be dropped.

qf002 wrote:

743Flyer wrote:

Does anybody happen to know much about QF's services to HRE in the 1980's? I was digging around at home and found a old QF route map which shows the only route they had out of ADL was to HRE. I know QF used to operate PER-HRE and eventually PER-JNB-HRE-PER in late 1990's/early 2000's but never heard of them operating ADL-HRE. I can't seem to find any indication online that QF used to operate this route. I'm fairly sure the map is from the early 1980's but I may be wrong. Can anyone shed some light regarding this?

My 1984 timetable lists a single weekly QF23 SYD-PER-HRE. At that point ADL had a weekly service to AKL (QF83) and twice weekly service to LHR (QF81 via SIN/BAH on Thursdays and via PER/SIN/BAH on Sundays).

Bluebird191 wrote:

Boof wrote:

Qantas16 wrote:

I saw this too and wondered.... IMHO there really isn't any room in the domestic market for a 737-size aircraft operating airline. Been interested for further details...

Wasn't one of the Lion Air mobs (Batik maybe??) talking about flying domestically now they have a CASA AOC?? Was off the back of launching Perth-Bali flights I seem to recall, and I think this was discussed in one of the threads recently and also in the wider media. Could be them?

Cheers,
Boof

Maybe they can operate masses of DPS-PER flights, add in some KUL-PER flights (considering that should be in easy reach of narrowbody aircraft), get the West Aus state government to fund the upgrade for a few swing gates, and operate some transcon domestics to PER, swing the gate to international mode then fly the plane onwards. Kind of tongue in cheek there, but maybe it's an option for this new mob on the market.

BNEFlyer wrote:

Bluebird191 wrote:

Boof wrote:

Wasn't one of the Lion Air mobs (Batik maybe??) talking about flying domestically now they have a CASA AOC?? Was off the back of launching Perth-Bali flights I seem to recall, and I think this was discussed in one of the threads recently and also in the wider media. Could be them?

Cheers,
Boof

Maybe they can operate masses of DPS-PER flights, add in some KUL-PER flights (considering that should be in easy reach of narrowbody aircraft), get the West Aus state government to fund the upgrade for a few swing gates, and operate some transcon domestics to PER, swing the gate to international mode then fly the plane onwards. Kind of tongue in cheek there, but maybe it's an option for this new mob on the market.

If still on schedule, it's Malindo KUL-DPS-BNE.

qf2220 wrote:

Ryanair01 wrote:

Anyone know what the cause of this was?
http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-up ... 7b216239d1

I dont know about the VA lines but I was in the QF terminal and there were long lines there too (which has seemingly gone unreported) The security screening guy told me (when I asked) that the bag drop belt had failed and that all bags were being received by a couple of baggage stations only. There wasnt any panic but there was a lot of space airside yesterday morning!

qf789 wrote:

An767 wrote:

Question re QF 330's have they all got the new business cabin. I am on QF 35 to singapore on Monday 9th and hoping for the updated cabin . looks like I will be on a 332

AN767

All A330's have been refurbished with the exception of VH-EBG and VH-EBL which are both in the old international configuration. These 2 aircraft are used on SYD-HNL and the soon to be SYD-PEK route.

Musical chairs on VA board again, this time from the Virgin Group

tullamarine wrote:

Musical chairs on VA board again, this time from the Virgin Group

This change is hardly surprising given the previous member, John Moorhead, no longer works for Virgin International. It is interesting that Warwick Negus ,the new boardmember, is a professional Australian non-executive director rather than a European based executive.

zkncj wrote:

qf2220 wrote:

Ryanair01 wrote:

Anyone know what the cause of this was?
http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-up ... 7b216239d1

I dont know about the VA lines but I was in the QF terminal and there were long lines there too (which has seemingly gone unreported) The security screening guy told me (when I asked) that the bag drop belt had failed and that all bags were being received by a couple of baggage stations only. There wasnt any panic but there was a lot of space airside yesterday morning!

The last few times I've flown VA domestically from SYD the bag drop has been horrid, why do they have to over complicate the bag drop process?

There process seems very slow and pain full, and make you wonder why you need to the self check-in kiosk in the first place.

Why don't they just use an simple system like NZ in AKL, we're you tag you bag then simply drop in on the open conveyer belt and you're done? Yet VA seems to need scan your bag tag, check your boarding pass and ID and press an few keys on there computer.

smi0006 wrote:

zkncj wrote:

qf2220 wrote:

I dont know about the VA lines but I was in the QF terminal and there were long lines there too (which has seemingly gone unreported) The security screening guy told me (when I asked) that the bag drop belt had failed and that all bags were being received by a couple of baggage stations only. There wasnt any panic but there was a lot of space airside yesterday morning!

The last few times I've flown VA domestically from SYD the bag drop has been horrid, why do they have to over complicate the bag drop process?

There process seems very slow and pain full, and make you wonder why you need to the self check-in kiosk in the first place.

Why don't they just use an simple system like NZ in AKL, we're you tag you bag then simply drop in on the open conveyer belt and you're done? Yet VA seems to need scan your bag tag, check your boarding pass and ID and press an few keys on there computer.

Key reason I hate flying VA is there shocking Checkin product at key ports. During the holidays the queue in Melbourne was out the door in peak periods, all counters open. QF no queue except for security. I always get scolded for not putting the receipt on my boarding pass - it's in your system I don't need too. Another useless step slowing the process down.

Sydscott wrote:

smi0006 wrote:

zkncj wrote:

The last few times I've flown VA domestically from SYD the bag drop has been horrid, why do they have to over complicate the bag drop process?

There process seems very slow and pain full, and make you wonder why you need to the self check-in kiosk in the first place.

Why don't they just use an simple system like NZ in AKL, we're you tag you bag then simply drop in on the open conveyer belt and you're done? Yet VA seems to need scan your bag tag, check your boarding pass and ID and press an few keys on there computer.

Key reason I hate flying VA is there shocking Checkin product at key ports. During the holidays the queue in Melbourne was out the door in peak periods, all counters open. QF no queue except for security. I always get scolded for not putting the receipt on my boarding pass - it's in your system I don't need too. Another useless step slowing the process down.

You might note the similarity in experience of the QF and NZ checkin hard products and then look to who the manufacturer is versus who the manufacturer of the Virgin checkin product is and what version it is. Lets just say there is a reason the QF and NZ product is vastly superior and the Virgin product is not.

qf002 wrote:

743Flyer wrote:

Does anybody happen to know much about QF's services to HRE in the 1980's? I was digging around at home and found a old QF route map which shows the only route they had out of ADL was to HRE. I know QF used to operate PER-HRE and eventually PER-JNB-HRE-PER in late 1990's/early 2000's but never heard of them operating ADL-HRE. I can't seem to find any indication online that QF used to operate this route. I'm fairly sure the map is from the early 1980's but I may be wrong. Can anyone shed some light regarding this?

My 1984 timetable lists a single weekly QF23 SYD-PER-HRE. At that point ADL had a weekly service to AKL (QF83) and twice weekly service to LHR (QF81 via SIN/BAH on Thursdays and via PER/SIN/BAH on Sundays).

qf789 wrote:

An767 wrote:

Flight radar is showing an ANZ 787 operating Perth > Simgapore ANZ6001.?? currently 350 k from Sin
AN767

Maybe positioning to operate a charter? NZ has had another 789 sitting on the ground at PER for the past 2 days, ZK-NZH which is operating tonight's NZ176 PER-AKL

qantas747 wrote:

Latest BITRE stats are out for Oct 16.

CBR-SIN flights seemingly not to busy, however october is a traditionally low season month.

Australian Aviation has an article about the flights.

qantas747 wrote:

Latest BITRE stats are out for Oct 16.

CBR-SIN flights seemingly not to busy

qf789 wrote:

CBRboy wrote:

You are right if you go off Table 5. 1163 passengers flew just CBR-WLG vs 1222 passengers flew just WLG-CBR.

However if you refer to Table 3 it refers to there were 2749 passengers that flew CBR-WLG at a load factor of 57.4% vs 2969 passengers who flew WLG-CBR at a load factor of 62%

Therefore there were 1586 passengers transit in CBR on their way to WLG and 1747 passengers transit in CBR from WLG

If we then added the Table 5 numbers in on SIN-CBR (2599) and CBR-SIN (2011) to the transit numbers we would get a good idea of the load factor.

SIN-CBR 4185 passengers of 4788 seats available for the month = 87.4%
CBR-SIN 3758 passengers of 4788 seats available for the month = 78.5%

qantas747 wrote:

Latest BITRE stats are out for Oct 16.

CBR-SIN flights seemingly not to busy, however october is a traditionally low season month.

Australian Aviation has an article about the flights.

qf789 wrote:

b747400erf wrote:

I know QF runs a fleet of freighters with 4 number flight numbers, but why are there some Virgin Australia flights doing the same?

VOZ9560 a B733

VOZ9567 BAE146

Did they start code sharing with QF Cargo?

VA runs its own cargo operation

Virgin Australia has commenced its cargo operations with dedicated freighter aircraft ferrying parcels, food, documents and machinery for its major customer TNT and other clients.
The airline’s cargo business was launched in July 2015, when its eight-year contract with Toll ended and was not renewed. As a result, the selling and managing of the belly space in its passenger fleet of domestic and short-haul international aircraft was brought back in-house.
Its cargo unit was boosted with a five-year deal with TNT signed earlier in 2016 that has led to a fleet of dedicated freighter aircraft flown on behalf of Virgin by other operators and the opening of a cargo shed at Sydney Airport.

http://australianaviation.com.au/2016/0 ... -take-off/

DavidByrne wrote:

Do the BITRE stats not exclude WLG-SIN pax?

qf789 wrote:

You are right if you go off Table 5. 1163 passengers flew just CBR-WLG vs 1222 passengers flew just WLG-CBR.

However if you refer to Table 3 it refers to there were 2749 passengers that flew CBR-WLG at a load factor of 57.4% vs 2969 passengers who flew WLG-CBR at a load factor of 62%

Therefore there were 1586 passengers transit in CBR on their way to WLG and 1747 passengers transit in CBR from WLG

If we then added the Table 5 numbers in on SIN-CBR (2599) and CBR-SIN (2011) to the transit numbers we would get a good idea of the load factor.

SIN-CBR 4185 passengers of 4788 seats available for the month = 87.4%
CBR-SIN 3758 passengers of 4788 seats available for the month = 78.5%

eta unknown wrote:

Two things:
GA BNE-DPS suspension had nothing to do with dismal loads. Several internal issues were involved, but these can't be posted on a public board.

BITRE stats... are you sure these stats include NZ transit pax? I recall UTA stats from years ago did not include transits on the CDG-SIN-CGK-SYD-NOU route.

eta unknown wrote:

BITRE stats... are you sure these stats include NZ transit pax? I recall UTA stats from years ago did not include transits on the CDG-SIN-CGK-SYD-NOU route.

777ER wrote:

In April I'll be in BNE for the weekend and June in PER for 4 days. What interesting/recommended routes/flight options are there possible in a day?

qf789 wrote:

Indonesian Authorities have suspended TT flights to Bali in what is says are "new administrative requirements"

http://australianaviation.com.au/2017/0 ... i-flights/