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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 148

Tue Jan 03, 2017 10:25 am

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Korean Air will switch its current A333 ICN-SYD-ICN service to the B747-8i (74H) effective 1 September 2017. If I'm not mistaken, this would be the first 74H service for SYD (and, no doubt, the last as well).

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... f-03jan17/


That's exciting and seems to be permanent. Nice to see any extra variety these days.

Be great to see a KE-789 in MEL.


It wont be permanent, KE will upgrade to A388 for NW17/18 from 29 October 17

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Tue Jan 03, 2017 10:29 am

There is some talk around that KE may trial MEL 3 weekly seasonally over NW17/18
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 148

Tue Jan 03, 2017 11:52 am

https://www.ausbt.com.au/singapore-airl ... 0-to-perth SQ to fly a350 to Perth of April 5 for 50 years of service to Australia
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 148

Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:35 pm

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https://www.ausbt.com.au/singapore-airlines-to-fly-airbus-a350-to-perth SQ to fly a350 to Perth of April 5 for 50 years of service to Australia


Good news though it is a shame it will be a once off for the time being. I guess once SQ starts receive the 2 class A359 we will see them more regularly
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 148

Tue Jan 03, 2017 4:45 pm

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QF seat map/aircraft info for the 789 gives a range of 14,498 km (or 7,828 NM) http://www.qantas.com/travel/airlines/a ... /global/en

Based on 789 performance data that I am familiar with, this value is low. Now the weight per passenger incl. baggage can make quite a difference. But if QF weights are about 110/113kg the range quoted is ~ 500nm low. At 7828nm PER-LHR would not be a starter.


You get a better figure out of Boeing's 787 ACAP document for the 789. More in line with your figures.

Assuming OEW of 284,000 lb, plus payload of 236 pax/baggage (let's generously say 90kg / 200 lb each) is 284,000 + 236 x 200 (47,200) = 331,200 lb, cross referenced on ACAP payload/range chart gives nearly 8,300 NM or 15,371 km.

I know, I know, that this is just the generic ACAP, not the specific operating manual for QF's configuration.
But definitely different from the figures plonked into the website :lol:

Still I don't know what prevailing winds are like on the PER-LHR route, I assume not too bad unlike TPAC? Otherwise you would start bumping into the range ceiling and diversions became an issue occasionally?
I guess it must be favourable enough for QF to be happy with it as a route. ;)


A couple of comments, 90kg is too light. Empirically the 110 to 113kg range seems to fit a number of carriers with > 12hr sectors. The 789 ACAP reflects the weight of a standard seating layout incl. F seats which are heavy. UA for example are probably operating at least 1t less than ACAP. Those carriers with a low ratio of premium seats are about 2t less than ACAP. The flight time is a more accurate indicator than the distance. It reflects the time in the air which determines the fuel burn. For a 789 8300nm is the equivalent of a 17hr 50m. block time.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 148

Tue Jan 03, 2017 10:37 pm

qf789 wrote:
smi0006 wrote:
DeltaB717 wrote:
Korean Air will switch its current A333 ICN-SYD-ICN service to the B747-8i (74H) effective 1 September 2017. If I'm not mistaken, this would be the first 74H service for SYD (and, no doubt, the last as well).

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... f-03jan17/


That's exciting and seems to be permanent. Nice to see any extra variety these days.

Be great to see a KE-789 in MEL.


It wont be permanent, KE will upgrade to A388 for NW17/18 from 29 October 17

https://www.ausbt.com.au/korean-air-pla ... for-sydney


Yeah, I saw that a while after I posted... which I guess goes to zkncj's question re AKL over that same period, whereby the A380 operating SYD probably releases the 74H to operate AKL. Will be interesting to see if the A380 is a permanent change for SYD or if it reverts back to 74H/77W after the Xmas/NY period.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 148

Tue Jan 03, 2017 11:23 pm

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Anyone know what the cause of this was?
http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-up ... 7b216239d1


I dont know about the VA lines but I was in the QF terminal and there were long lines there too (which has seemingly gone unreported) The security screening guy told me (when I asked) that the bag drop belt had failed and that all bags were being received by a couple of baggage stations only. There wasnt any panic but there was a lot of space airside yesterday morning!
 
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Does anybody happen to know much about QF's services to HRE in the 1980's? I was digging around at home and found a old QF route map which shows the only route they had out of ADL was to HRE. I know QF used to operate PER-HRE and eventually PER-JNB-HRE-PER in late 1990's/early 2000's but never heard of them operating ADL-HRE. I can't seem to find any indication online that QF used to operate this route. I'm fairly sure the map is from the early 1980's but I may be wrong. Can anyone shed some light regarding this?

Also, does anyone know much about QF's international services to/from ADL? I know that the ADL-SIN flight was cancelled in 2013 but have no idea when the flights started; did QF ever service any other destinations from ADL?
 
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Wed Jan 04, 2017 6:15 am

QF only ever flew to HRE via PER. Once JNB was politically able to be served again, they persevered with HRE for a while, operating weekly SYD-PER-HRE-JNB-PER-SYD and weekly in the reverse direction. However didn't take so long for HRE to be dropped.
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Wed Jan 04, 2017 6:16 am

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Does anybody happen to know much about QF's services to HRE in the 1980's? I was digging around at home and found a old QF route map which shows the only route they had out of ADL was to HRE. I know QF used to operate PER-HRE and eventually PER-JNB-HRE-PER in late 1990's/early 2000's but never heard of them operating ADL-HRE. I can't seem to find any indication online that QF used to operate this route. I'm fairly sure the map is from the early 1980's but I may be wrong. Can anyone shed some light regarding this?


My 1984 timetable lists a single weekly QF23 SYD-PER-HRE. At that point ADL had a weekly service to AKL (QF83) and twice weekly service to LHR (QF81 via SIN/BAH on Thursdays and via PER/SIN/BAH on Sundays).
 
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Wed Jan 04, 2017 7:04 am

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QF only ever flew to HRE via PER. Once JNB was politically able to be served again, they persevered with HRE for a while, operating weekly SYD-PER-HRE-JNB-PER-SYD and weekly in the reverse direction. However didn't take so long for HRE to be dropped.


Interesting, the route map I have must be inaccurate; It came out of an old women's weekly magazine so it probably wasn't the most accurate source to begin with regarding Qantas information.

I'm fairly sure QF serviced HRE in the late 1990's with the routing you stated, I think it may have even lasted to 2000/2001. (On second though maybe I am just getting confused with PER-JNB, after they dropped the HRE tag).

Thanks for your response.

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Does anybody happen to know much about QF's services to HRE in the 1980's? I was digging around at home and found a old QF route map which shows the only route they had out of ADL was to HRE. I know QF used to operate PER-HRE and eventually PER-JNB-HRE-PER in late 1990's/early 2000's but never heard of them operating ADL-HRE. I can't seem to find any indication online that QF used to operate this route. I'm fairly sure the map is from the early 1980's but I may be wrong. Can anyone shed some light regarding this?


My 1984 timetable lists a single weekly QF23 SYD-PER-HRE. At that point ADL had a weekly service to AKL (QF83) and twice weekly service to LHR (QF81 via SIN/BAH on Thursdays and via PER/SIN/BAH on Sundays).


Suprised ADL had that many flights, AKL makes sense and I guess the tags is what made LHR viable. It's funny how routes change over time.

Thanks for your input.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 148

Wed Jan 04, 2017 7:42 am

Yesterday's QF71/72 PER-SIN was delayed around 22 hours as VH-EBS went tech. VH-EBF is operating the delayed QF71D today. Todays QF71/72 is operating as usual by VH-EBK

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 148

Wed Jan 04, 2017 8:14 am

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I saw this too and wondered.... IMHO there really isn't any room in the domestic market for a 737-size aircraft operating airline. Been interested for further details...

Wasn't one of the Lion Air mobs (Batik maybe??) talking about flying domestically now they have a CASA AOC?? Was off the back of launching Perth-Bali flights I seem to recall, and I think this was discussed in one of the threads recently and also in the wider media. Could be them?

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Maybe they can operate masses of DPS-PER flights, add in some KUL-PER flights (considering that should be in easy reach of narrowbody aircraft), get the West Aus state government to fund the upgrade for a few swing gates, and operate some transcon domestics to PER, swing the gate to international mode then fly the plane onwards. Kind of tongue in cheek there, but maybe it's an option for this new mob on the market.


If still on schedule, it's Malindo KUL-DPS-BNE.
 
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Wed Jan 04, 2017 8:20 am

BNEFlyer wrote:
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Boof wrote:
Wasn't one of the Lion Air mobs (Batik maybe??) talking about flying domestically now they have a CASA AOC?? Was off the back of launching Perth-Bali flights I seem to recall, and I think this was discussed in one of the threads recently and also in the wider media. Could be them?

Cheers,
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Maybe they can operate masses of DPS-PER flights, add in some KUL-PER flights (considering that should be in easy reach of narrowbody aircraft), get the West Aus state government to fund the upgrade for a few swing gates, and operate some transcon domestics to PER, swing the gate to international mode then fly the plane onwards. Kind of tongue in cheek there, but maybe it's an option for this new mob on the market.


If still on schedule, it's Malindo KUL-DPS-BNE.


Oh great, yet another airline helping create excess capacity on the BNE-DPS-BNE route. Garuda pulled out the other year due to abysmal loads, and Malindo is an airline I'm unlikely going to ever fly on, let alone travel to DPS. Wonder if Malindo will actually make it work or if they'll pull the same trick Garuda did......
 
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Wed Jan 04, 2017 8:45 am

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Ryanair01 wrote:
Anyone know what the cause of this was?
http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-up ... 7b216239d1


I dont know about the VA lines but I was in the QF terminal and there were long lines there too (which has seemingly gone unreported) The security screening guy told me (when I asked) that the bag drop belt had failed and that all bags were being received by a couple of baggage stations only. There wasnt any panic but there was a lot of space airside yesterday morning!


The last few times I've flown VA domestically from SYD the bag drop has been horrid, why do they have to over complicate the bag drop process?

There process seems very slow and pain full, and make you wonder why you need to the self check-in kiosk in the first place.

Why don't they just use an simple system like NZ in AKL, we're you tag you bag then simply drop in on the open conveyer belt and you're done? Yet VA seems to need scan your bag tag, check your boarding pass and ID and press an few keys on there computer.
 
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Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:58 am

Question re QF 330's have they all got the new business cabin. I am on QF 35 to singapore on Monday 9th and hoping for the updated cabin . looks like I will be on a 332

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Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:02 pm

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Question re QF 330's have they all got the new business cabin. I am on QF 35 to singapore on Monday 9th and hoping for the updated cabin . looks like I will be on a 332

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All A330's have been refurbished with the exception of VH-EBG and VH-EBL which are both in the old international configuration. These 2 aircraft are used on SYD-HNL and the soon to be SYD-PEK route.
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Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:39 pm

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Question re QF 330's have they all got the new business cabin. I am on QF 35 to singapore on Monday 9th and hoping for the updated cabin . looks like I will be on a 332

AN767


All A330's have been refurbished with the exception of VH-EBG and VH-EBL which are both in the old international configuration. These 2 aircraft are used on SYD-HNL and the soon to be SYD-PEK route.

Great thanks qf789
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 148

Wed Jan 04, 2017 5:51 pm

Musical chairs on VA board again, this time from the Virgin Group

http://australianaviation.com.au/2017/0 ... lia-board/
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Wed Jan 04, 2017 8:57 pm

Musical chairs on VA board again, this time from the Virgin Group


This change is hardly surprising given the previous member, John Moorhead, no longer works for Virgin International. It is interesting that Warwick Negus ,the new boardmember, is a professional Australian non-executive director rather than a European based executive.
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Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:35 pm

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Musical chairs on VA board again, this time from the Virgin Group


This change is hardly surprising given the previous member, John Moorhead, no longer works for Virgin International. It is interesting that Warwick Negus ,the new boardmember, is a professional Australian non-executive director rather than a European based executive.


Given the current composition of the Virgin Board it actually makes sense for them to look to appoint a few more people like Warwick Negus who have broad business experience and lots of Australian Corporate Governance experience given his other Directorships. They have enough airline people on the Board already.
 
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Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:26 pm

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qf2220 wrote:
Ryanair01 wrote:
Anyone know what the cause of this was?
http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-up ... 7b216239d1


I dont know about the VA lines but I was in the QF terminal and there were long lines there too (which has seemingly gone unreported) The security screening guy told me (when I asked) that the bag drop belt had failed and that all bags were being received by a couple of baggage stations only. There wasnt any panic but there was a lot of space airside yesterday morning!


The last few times I've flown VA domestically from SYD the bag drop has been horrid, why do they have to over complicate the bag drop process?

There process seems very slow and pain full, and make you wonder why you need to the self check-in kiosk in the first place.

Why don't they just use an simple system like NZ in AKL, we're you tag you bag then simply drop in on the open conveyer belt and you're done? Yet VA seems to need scan your bag tag, check your boarding pass and ID and press an few keys on there computer.


Key reason I hate flying VA is there shocking Checkin product at key ports. During the holidays the queue in Melbourne was out the door in peak periods, all counters open. QF no queue except for security. I always get scolded for not putting the receipt on my boarding pass - it's in your system I don't need too. Another useless step slowing the process down.
 
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Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:01 pm

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I dont know about the VA lines but I was in the QF terminal and there were long lines there too (which has seemingly gone unreported) The security screening guy told me (when I asked) that the bag drop belt had failed and that all bags were being received by a couple of baggage stations only. There wasnt any panic but there was a lot of space airside yesterday morning!


The last few times I've flown VA domestically from SYD the bag drop has been horrid, why do they have to over complicate the bag drop process?

There process seems very slow and pain full, and make you wonder why you need to the self check-in kiosk in the first place.

Why don't they just use an simple system like NZ in AKL, we're you tag you bag then simply drop in on the open conveyer belt and you're done? Yet VA seems to need scan your bag tag, check your boarding pass and ID and press an few keys on there computer.


Key reason I hate flying VA is there shocking Checkin product at key ports. During the holidays the queue in Melbourne was out the door in peak periods, all counters open. QF no queue except for security. I always get scolded for not putting the receipt on my boarding pass - it's in your system I don't need too. Another useless step slowing the process down.


You might note the similarity in experience of the QF and NZ checkin hard products and then look to who the manufacturer is versus who the manufacturer of the Virgin checkin product is and what version it is. Lets just say there is a reason the QF and NZ product is vastly superior and the Virgin product is not.
 
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Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:22 am

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The last few times I've flown VA domestically from SYD the bag drop has been horrid, why do they have to over complicate the bag drop process?

There process seems very slow and pain full, and make you wonder why you need to the self check-in kiosk in the first place.

Why don't they just use an simple system like NZ in AKL, we're you tag you bag then simply drop in on the open conveyer belt and you're done? Yet VA seems to need scan your bag tag, check your boarding pass and ID and press an few keys on there computer.


Key reason I hate flying VA is there shocking Checkin product at key ports. During the holidays the queue in Melbourne was out the door in peak periods, all counters open. QF no queue except for security. I always get scolded for not putting the receipt on my boarding pass - it's in your system I don't need too. Another useless step slowing the process down.


You might note the similarity in experience of the QF and NZ checkin hard products and then look to who the manufacturer is versus who the manufacturer of the Virgin checkin product is and what version it is. Lets just say there is a reason the QF and NZ product is vastly superior and the Virgin product is not.


NZ Domestic bag drop doesn't require any front of house hard product, unlike with QF we're you need to place your bag on the machine and scan your boarding pass. The NZ system simply requires you to walk over to the open belt and drop your bag. Weighing and scanning is all done back of house.

Intl NZ's product is more like QF we're you tag you bags then walk over to the machine and scan your boarding pass, although the AKL ones are now linked to the SmartGate system so staff don't need to check id for Intl bags anymore as the machine now does it when you scan your boarding pass.
 
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Thu Jan 05, 2017 1:52 am

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743Flyer wrote:
Does anybody happen to know much about QF's services to HRE in the 1980's? I was digging around at home and found a old QF route map which shows the only route they had out of ADL was to HRE. I know QF used to operate PER-HRE and eventually PER-JNB-HRE-PER in late 1990's/early 2000's but never heard of them operating ADL-HRE. I can't seem to find any indication online that QF used to operate this route. I'm fairly sure the map is from the early 1980's but I may be wrong. Can anyone shed some light regarding this?


My 1984 timetable lists a single weekly QF23 SYD-PER-HRE. At that point ADL had a weekly service to AKL (QF83) and twice weekly service to LHR (QF81 via SIN/BAH on Thursdays and via PER/SIN/BAH on Sundays).


I suspect the QF81 service was a tag through to SIN and linked up with the flight from the Eastern States through to LHR. In later timetables it was a 767 with a change to a 747 in SIN
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Thu Jan 05, 2017 2:04 am

China Eastern on Tuesday (03JAN17) re-opened for planned Wuhan – Sydney service, with a revised launch date. The 3 weekly A330-200 service is now scheduled to begin from 27JAN17, operating until 25MAR17. The Skyteam member previously planned service launch on 18JAN17.

Note this service is Xi’An – Wuhan – Sydney routing, however flights to/from Xi’An remains unavailable for bookings.

MU749 XIY2045 – 2200WUH2330 – 1330+1SYD 332 135
MU750 SYD2215 – 0600+1WUH0740+1 – 0910+1XIY 332 246

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Thu Jan 05, 2017 10:51 am

Flight radar is showing an ANZ 787 operating Perth > Simgapore ANZ6001.?? currently 350 k from Sin
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Thu Jan 05, 2017 11:19 am

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Flight radar is showing an ANZ 787 operating Perth > Simgapore ANZ6001.?? currently 350 k from Sin
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Maybe positioning to operate a charter? NZ has had another 789 sitting on the ground at PER for the past 2 days, ZK-NZH which is operating tonight's NZ176 PER-AKL
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Thu Jan 05, 2017 11:31 pm

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Flight radar is showing an ANZ 787 operating Perth > Simgapore ANZ6001.?? currently 350 k from Sin
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Maybe positioning to operate a charter? NZ has had another 789 sitting on the ground at PER for the past 2 days, ZK-NZH which is operating tonight's NZ176 PER-AKL


Apparently it was positioning for a charter, yes... continued SIN-AKL as NZ1942.

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Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:19 am

Latest BITRE stats are out for Oct 16.

CBR-SIN flights seemingly not to busy, however october is a traditionally low season month.

Australian Aviation has an article about the flights.
 
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Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:12 am

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Latest BITRE stats are out for Oct 16.

CBR-SIN flights seemingly not to busy, however october is a traditionally low season month.

Australian Aviation has an article about the flights.


I guess, whilst the ACT Government and CBR Airport are subsidising the route, SQ will stick with it. Without subsidies, this exercise isn't going to last.

If this is an example, I can't see QR bothering adding CBR unless it too is getting a wallet of taxpayer funds.
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Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:50 am

I think I have read before that transfer pax wlg to sin and vv are not included. Perhaps they would boost the numbers up to a more respectable 75-80% ?
 
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Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:10 am

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Latest BITRE stats are out for Oct 16.

CBR-SIN flights seemingly not to busy

It's important to realise that the BITRE figures for SQ's SIN-CBR-WLG service are for passengers uplifted from or discharged at CBR. Presumably the SQ load factor is higher than these figures would suggest because there must be some transit passengers travelling through CBR, ie SIN-WLG and WLG-SIN. The NZ Ministry of Transport doesn't publish air transport stats, and neither Singapore's nor Wellington Airport's figures are sufficiently detailed to discern this traffic.
 
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Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:44 am

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Latest BITRE stats are out for Oct 16.

CBR-SIN flights seemingly not to busy

It's important to realise that the BITRE figures for SQ's SIN-CBR-WLG service are for passengers uplifted from or discharged at CBR. Presumably the SQ load factor is higher than these figures would suggest because there must be some transit passengers travelling through CBR, ie SIN-WLG and WLG-SIN. The NZ Ministry of Transport doesn't publish air transport stats, and neither Singapore's nor Wellington Airport's figures are sufficiently detailed to discern this traffic.


You are right if you go off Table 5. 1163 passengers flew just CBR-WLG vs 1222 passengers flew just WLG-CBR.

However if you refer to Table 3 it refers to there were 2749 passengers that flew CBR-WLG at a load factor of 57.4% vs 2969 passengers who flew WLG-CBR at a load factor of 62%

Therefore there were 1586 passengers transit in CBR on their way to WLG and 1747 passengers transit in CBR from WLG

If we then added the Table 5 numbers in on SIN-CBR (2599) and CBR-SIN (2011) to the transit numbers we would get a good idea of the load factor.

SIN-CBR 4185 passengers of 4788 seats available for the month = 87.4%
CBR-SIN 3758 passengers of 4788 seats available for the month = 78.5%
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 148

Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:28 am

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You are right if you go off Table 5. 1163 passengers flew just CBR-WLG vs 1222 passengers flew just WLG-CBR.

However if you refer to Table 3 it refers to there were 2749 passengers that flew CBR-WLG at a load factor of 57.4% vs 2969 passengers who flew WLG-CBR at a load factor of 62%

Therefore there were 1586 passengers transit in CBR on their way to WLG and 1747 passengers transit in CBR from WLG

If we then added the Table 5 numbers in on SIN-CBR (2599) and CBR-SIN (2011) to the transit numbers we would get a good idea of the load factor.

SIN-CBR 4185 passengers of 4788 seats available for the month = 87.4%
CBR-SIN 3758 passengers of 4788 seats available for the month = 78.5%


Seems on those adjusted load factors they might be able to make the route work, especially once it's been up and running for awhile.

If Darwin can warrant 3 x week JQ as well as 3 x week MI service DRW-SIN (I travel them often and they always seem to be pretty full) then surely SIN-CBR-WLG has a reasonable chance, despite the added cost of being a full service carrier, widebody, 2x landing fees, etc?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 148

Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:30 am

I know QF runs a fleet of freighters with 4 number flight numbers, but why are there some Virgin Australia flights doing the same?

VOZ9560 a B733

VOZ9567 BAE146

Did they start code sharing with QF Cargo?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 148

Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:42 am

b747400erf wrote:
I know QF runs a fleet of freighters with 4 number flight numbers, but why are there some Virgin Australia flights doing the same?

VOZ9560 a B733

VOZ9567 BAE146

Did they start code sharing with QF Cargo?


VA runs its own cargo operation

Virgin Australia has commenced its cargo operations with dedicated freighter aircraft ferrying parcels, food, documents and machinery for its major customer TNT and other clients.
The airline’s cargo business was launched in July 2015, when its eight-year contract with Toll ended and was not renewed. As a result, the selling and managing of the belly space in its passenger fleet of domestic and short-haul international aircraft was brought back in-house.
Its cargo unit was boosted with a five-year deal with TNT signed earlier in 2016 that has led to a fleet of dedicated freighter aircraft flown on behalf of Virgin by other operators and the opening of a cargo shed at Sydney Airport.


http://australianaviation.com.au/2016/0 ... -take-off/
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 148

Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:45 am

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Latest BITRE stats are out for Oct 16.

CBR-SIN flights seemingly not to busy, however october is a traditionally low season month.

Australian Aviation has an article about the flights.

Do the BITRE stats not exclude WLG-SIN pax?
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 148

Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:15 am

qf789 wrote:
b747400erf wrote:
I know QF runs a fleet of freighters with 4 number flight numbers, but why are there some Virgin Australia flights doing the same?

VOZ9560 a B733

VOZ9567 BAE146

Did they start code sharing with QF Cargo?


VA runs its own cargo operation

Virgin Australia has commenced its cargo operations with dedicated freighter aircraft ferrying parcels, food, documents and machinery for its major customer TNT and other clients.
The airline’s cargo business was launched in July 2015, when its eight-year contract with Toll ended and was not renewed. As a result, the selling and managing of the belly space in its passenger fleet of domestic and short-haul international aircraft was brought back in-house.
Its cargo unit was boosted with a five-year deal with TNT signed earlier in 2016 that has led to a fleet of dedicated freighter aircraft flown on behalf of Virgin by other operators and the opening of a cargo shed at Sydney Airport.


http://australianaviation.com.au/2016/0 ... -take-off/



Thank you. I like the Titan livery still on the 146. I did not know VA has a freight division now.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 148

Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:18 pm

DavidByrne wrote:
Do the BITRE stats not exclude WLG-SIN pax?


Normally you cant get the transits on individual routes from BITRE (eg. EK tasman sectors) as they operate multiple routes into New Zealand. Because SQ are flying only one tasman sector you can look at the New Zealand country SQ numbers which is the total pax on WLG-CBR sector. The difference of this with the WLG-CBR sector reported flows (which excludes transits) gives you the transits which you can then add to the CBR-SIN sector flow to also get total pax on that sector.

Based on this, for OCT LF across the route was 77% with WLG-CBR running at 60% and CBR-SIN at 83%.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 148

Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:32 pm

qf789 wrote:
You are right if you go off Table 5. 1163 passengers flew just CBR-WLG vs 1222 passengers flew just WLG-CBR.

However if you refer to Table 3 it refers to there were 2749 passengers that flew CBR-WLG at a load factor of 57.4% vs 2969 passengers who flew WLG-CBR at a load factor of 62%

Therefore there were 1586 passengers transit in CBR on their way to WLG and 1747 passengers transit in CBR from WLG

If we then added the Table 5 numbers in on SIN-CBR (2599) and CBR-SIN (2011) to the transit numbers we would get a good idea of the load factor.

SIN-CBR 4185 passengers of 4788 seats available for the month = 87.4%
CBR-SIN 3758 passengers of 4788 seats available for the month = 78.5%


Thanks for solving the puzzle. You are correct that BITRE's Table 3 shows total traffic - this is made clear in their Explanatory Note 7.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 148

Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:53 pm

The discussion about WLG-CBR reinforces my belief that there has to be a very good chance of an AKL-CBR route working. Given WLG-CBR attracted about 1200 one-way point-to-point pax during October, or around 40 per day on average, then you could expect AKL to do at least twice that, or 2400/month, plus a fair measure of on-line traffic connecting to the Americas and/or the Pacific. Just the point-to-point traffic alone represents about 16 A320 flights at (say) 150 seats occupied per flight, or four flights a week. C'mon NZ - how about it?
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 148

Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:07 am

Two things:
GA BNE-DPS suspension had nothing to do with dismal loads. Several internal issues were involved, but these can't be posted on a public board.

BITRE stats... are you sure these stats include NZ transit pax? I recall UTA stats from years ago did not include transits on the CDG-SIN-CGK-SYD-NOU route.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 148

Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:03 am

The Victorian and Administrative Tribunal has thrown out a claim by a QF passenger seeking $100 compensation for no in-flight entertainment aboard a flight to HKG last may. On a separate matter the same passenger also tried seeking $2500 compensation (also dismissed) after a drunken altercation with ground staff in Singapore resulting in a no fly notice being issued due to safety concerns. The passenger complained earlier to Qantas about the wrong seat being allocated and wanted to speak to the duty manager. As a result 6-12 police were called to deal with the passenger.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/10hou ... to4xd.html
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 148

Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:47 am

eta unknown wrote:
Two things:
GA BNE-DPS suspension had nothing to do with dismal loads. Several internal issues were involved, but these can't be posted on a public board.

BITRE stats... are you sure these stats include NZ transit pax? I recall UTA stats from years ago did not include transits on the CDG-SIN-CGK-SYD-NOU route.


GA BNE-DPS did have dismal loads though.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 148

Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:43 am

In April I'll be in BNE for the weekend and June in PER for 4 days. What interesting/recommended routes/flight options are there possible in a day?
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 148

Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:50 am

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BITRE stats... are you sure these stats include NZ transit pax? I recall UTA stats from years ago did not include transits on the CDG-SIN-CGK-SYD-NOU route.


The stats on individual routes (such as the UTA one you mention) do not include transit passengers. The stats by operator do however include transit passengers to allow calculation of operator load factor. The operator statistics are not provided for individual routes but for total pax the operator carried between Australia and each other country. As qf789 explained, because Singapore Airlines figures for total passengers carried between Australia and New Zealand involve only one route (CBR-WLG-CBR), this coupled with the CBR-WLG-CBR route upload and discharge figures allows you to work out the number of SIN-WLG-SIN passengers who transit CBR, and with CBR-SIN-CBR route figures added as well you have the overall pax load on each segment.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 148

Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:13 am

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In April I'll be in BNE for the weekend and June in PER for 4 days. What interesting/recommended routes/flight options are there possible in a day?


Depending on the days that you're in PER, a day trip to KGI can be done with QantasLInk, featuring an F100 outbound in the morning and a 717 back in the evening. While there, tours of the RFDS base are available.

Alternatively, ALH can be reached by Rex, operating the SF34. Albany is located overlooking Vancouver Sound and has an interesting whaling station museum and the National Anzac Centre.

If you're happy to stay on the plane and and do a triangular flight, Skippers Aviation offer flights to Mount Magnet, returning via Meekatharra and Wiluna or to Leonora, returning via Laverton, using a mix of Dash 8 (100 or 300) and the E120 Brasilia.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 148

Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:26 am

Indonesian Authorities have suspended TT flights to Bali in what is says are "new administrative requirements"

http://australianaviation.com.au/2017/0 ... i-flights/
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 148

Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:45 am

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Indonesian Authorities have suspended TT flights to Bali in what is says are "new administrative requirements"

http://australianaviation.com.au/2017/0 ... i-flights/


Time to call in the receivers at VA, and get rid of this mess of an airline

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