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AA's single JFK-ORD

Mon Dec 12, 2016 2:29 am

I was surprised to find that AA flies significantly more EWR/LGA-ORD than JFK-ORD. Why does AA fly only 1 daily JFK-ORD flight, considering they are both hubs?
 
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Re: AA's single JFK-ORD

Mon Dec 12, 2016 2:31 am

LGA is the preferred O&D airport for NYC, and given that both are hubs there is not much need for passengers to connect beyond JFK or ORD.
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Re: AA's single JFK-ORD

Mon Dec 12, 2016 2:32 am

There are a few reasons:

1. A lot of NYC traffic predominantly prefers LGA for travel.
2. Since they are both hubs, there isn't a lot of need to funnel traffic from one to the other like they would a route such as BDL-ORD. Travellers on both ends have lots of options without having to make a connection.

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Re: AA's single JFK-ORD

Mon Dec 12, 2016 2:48 am

Not very many routes are JFK-exclusive. Instead of XXX-JFK-ORD-YYY, most can simply overfly the JFK stop, or use a different (and less crowded) hub like PHL, ORD, or CLT.
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Re: AA's single JFK-ORD

Mon Dec 12, 2016 3:02 am

A.net will gloss this over with a.net bs about perimeters. There is some truth to that...But...

It basically comes down to history. There is a preference of LGA over Jfk on shuttle routes, but DL and B6 manage a thru the day schedule. Although B6 goes to two daily in winter vs 4 daily in high season

AA is very regimented in it's LGA Jfk operation. Always has been.

Historically MIA was the only in perimeter mainline service served more than once daily from JFK. Historically DL and TW offered more in perimeter thru the day service to JFK. Minus TW and replace it with a much larger B6 domestic operation and AA has ramped up some in perimeter service a bit.

Long story short, AAs long term MO for NYC operation...if it can go to LGA, it does go to LGA
 
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Re: AA's single JFK-ORD

Mon Dec 12, 2016 3:06 am

MesaFlyGuy wrote:
. Since they are both hubs, there isn't a lot of need to funnel traffic from one to the other


Then why is UA putting it's converted domestic 777s on hub to hub? :shock:
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Re: AA's single JFK-ORD

Mon Dec 12, 2016 3:44 am

727LOVER wrote:
MesaFlyGuy wrote:
. Since they are both hubs, there isn't a lot of need to funnel traffic from one to the other


Then why is UA putting it's converted domestic 777s on hub to hub? :shock:


UA is not flying 777s ORD to EWR (similar market). They are flying 777s EWR-SFO, which serve vastly different markets with many routes unique to each.
 
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Re: AA's single JFK-ORD

Mon Dec 12, 2016 3:58 am

airzona11 wrote:
727LOVER wrote:
MesaFlyGuy wrote:
. Since they are both hubs, there isn't a lot of need to funnel traffic from one to the other


Then why is UA putting it's converted domestic 777s on hub to hub? :shock:


UA is not flying 777s ORD to EWR (similar market). They are flying 777s EWR-SFO, which serve vastly different markets with many routes unique to each.

UA does have a 777 and 767 in the schedule for EWR-ORD.
 
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Re: AA's single JFK-ORD

Mon Dec 12, 2016 4:16 am

727LOVER wrote:
MesaFlyGuy wrote:
. Since they are both hubs, there isn't a lot of need to funnel traffic from one to the other


Then why is UA putting it's converted domestic 777s on hub to hub? :shock:


Scale.

United in Chicago and United in Newark are MUCH larger in size than American in Chicago and American at JFK.

For United, there's quite a few destinations available out of Chicago you can't get to from Newark and vice versa and given the scale of the network and the passenger flow, it makes sense.


For what it's worth, one should also check the DFW-JFK schedule on AA. Just sayin...
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Re: AA's single JFK-ORD

Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:00 am

stlgph wrote:
727LOVER wrote:
MesaFlyGuy wrote:
. Since they are both hubs, there isn't a lot of need to funnel traffic from one to the other


Then why is UA putting it's converted domestic 777s on hub to hub? :shock:


Scale.

United in Chicago and United in Newark are MUCH larger in size than American in Chicago and American at JFK.

For United, there's quite a few destinations available out of Chicago you can't get to from Newark and vice versa and given the scale of the network and the passenger flow, it makes sense.


For what it's worth, one should also check the DFW-JFK schedule on AA. Just sayin...


Too add to this point. It's possible UA deploys widebody aircraft on hub-hub routes for positioning purposes. AA has done this on the JFK-ORD route before.
 
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Re: AA's single JFK-ORD

Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:53 am

airzona11 wrote:
727LOVER wrote:
MesaFlyGuy wrote:
. Since they are both hubs, there isn't a lot of need to funnel traffic from one to the other


Then why is UA putting it's converted domestic 777s on hub to hub? :shock:


UA is not flying 777s ORD to EWR (similar market). They are flying 777s EWR-SFO, which serve vastly different markets with many routes unique to each.


ORD-EWR is operated by a 763. In a few weeks it becomes a 772.

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