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Hong Kong Express receives first A320neo with 188 seats

Tue Dec 13, 2016 12:24 pm

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Re: Hong Kong Express receives first A320neo with 188 seats

Tue Dec 13, 2016 12:50 pm

The seats don't strike me as immediately tiny, but those lavs..... Is there a handicap lav on the plane too?
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Re: Hong Kong Express receives first A320neo with 188 seats

Tue Dec 13, 2016 12:52 pm

There is a spaceflex lav - basically they can convert the two into one diabled lav.
 
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Re: Hong Kong Express receives first A320neo with 188 seats

Tue Dec 13, 2016 12:52 pm

AFAIK you can connect the two lavs into one bigger one.
 
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Re: Hong Kong Express receives first A320neo with 188 seats

Tue Dec 13, 2016 12:55 pm

Considering the standard all economy configuration is 180 seats (JQ, U2, BA, LH etc..) 188 must make the seats really, really tight
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Re: Hong Kong Express receives first A320neo with 188 seats

Tue Dec 13, 2016 12:55 pm

The handicap lav is the two lavs combining into one.
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Re: Hong Kong Express receives first A320neo with 188 seats

Tue Dec 13, 2016 12:59 pm

Ouch! I'm already feeling sorryfor those onboard, but you get what you pay for.
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Re: Hong Kong Express receives first A320neo with 188 seats

Tue Dec 13, 2016 1:17 pm

The majority of their flights are less than 4 hours (and many are less than 3) so not as big a deal as it might have been if the flight sectors were longer. Anyone have the exact specs on seat width and pitch?
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Re: Hong Kong Express receives first A320neo with 188 seats

Tue Dec 13, 2016 1:27 pm

I recently flew Vueling's 180 seater A320, and I thought it's kinda tight at 29" pitch. Can't imagine this is any better than 29"
 
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Re: Hong Kong Express receives first A320neo with 188 seats

Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:26 pm

And this is what most A320s will look like at the back of the cabin in the future. Doesn't look too bad, especially since the crew seem to have a storage space behind the last row on the R/H side, so they can keep their stuff out of the overhead bins.

I think these are the A320s that Norwegian (DY) ordered, where the first 12 were quickly leased to HK Express...
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Re: Hong Kong Express receives first A320neo with 188 seats

Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:47 pm

Those rear seats would be terrible with no rear wall
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Re: Hong Kong Express receives first A320neo with 188 seats

Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:50 pm

CRJ900 wrote:
And this is what most A320s will look like at the back of the cabin in the future. Doesn't look too bad, especially since the crew seem to have a storage space behind the last row on the R/H side, so they can keep their stuff out of the overhead bins.

I think these are the A320s that Norwegian (DY) ordered, where the first 12 were quickly leased to HK Express...


Indeed
 
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Re: Hong Kong Express receives first A320neo with 188 seats

Tue Dec 13, 2016 4:00 pm

In response to Horizon and CRJ900

Really? There are 8 seats more than Air Asia, Jetstar, Vueling and Easyjet (and many more).

A 1 hour flight on this will not be very comfortable ... let alone a 3 hour flight... unless you are 5'5" and 60kgs.
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Re: Hong Kong Express receives first A320neo with 188 seats

Tue Dec 13, 2016 4:58 pm

horizon360 wrote:
The majority of their flights are less than 4 hours (and many are less than 3) so not as big a deal as it might have been if the flight sectors were longer. Anyone have the exact specs on seat width and pitch?

True, although keep in mind that In china it's not unusual to spend 5-6 hours stuck on the termac waiting for takeoff clearance due to Chinese ATC congestion.
 
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Re: Hong Kong Express receives first A320neo with 188 seats

Tue Dec 13, 2016 6:20 pm

This is the type of evolution that should make flights cheaper over time. The whole argument being sympathetic towards airlines, "relative to inflation it is cheaper to fly now more than ever..." no kidding, it has evolved from a luxury to a point A to point B commodity.

Here in the US, the US3 are adding "basic" fares to compete with the ULCCs, and this is innovation that can work. They need to differentiate their product so that you are willing to pay more as a consumer, while at the same time, the trend to larger aircraft allows them to stratify their offerings, not just in revenue management, but will First Class, Y+, Y, Y- etc.

It is a win win, people willing to pay a premium and those who are frequently on plane get something for them, then the more casual / 1 time flyers get options for them. This innovation doesnt have to be seen purely as a race to the bottom.
 
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Re: Hong Kong Express receives first A320neo with 188 seats

Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:48 pm

I agree with you airzona - and your point is very well made. Millions of people are able to fly today because we have 180 seat A320s and 10 abreast 777s.

But more seats generally means lower comfort levels. I really scratch my head when people on here say it looks fine or I don't know what your problem is whenever comfort levels in response to rising seat counts are discussed. Almost to the point where it makes you wonder if they have actually been on a 180 seat A320 for a 2000mi trip, or a 9 abreast 787/10 abreast 777 for a 12 hour flight.
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Re: Hong Kong Express receives first A320neo with 188 seats

Tue Dec 13, 2016 11:57 pm

Legacy carriers like British Airways and Lufthansa both have 180 seats in their new and retrofitted A320. With space-flex V2 and new slimline seats there really is not much difference in available legroom space. The comfort is similar to BAs 787, which have 1" more pitch and 1" less seat width. Taking into account that these A320 will only fly short distances, I will guess BA and LH will only get a few complaints from passengers.

The difference between business class and economy class on the A320, is that the middle seat will be left empty if you pay for a business ticket.

Hong Kong Express will fit one more row in their A320s than BA and LH, which comes down to 1" less seat pitch.

In my opinion it is the Y comfort on long haul that is really terrible. On short haul it doesn't matter that much.
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Re: Hong Kong Express receives first A320neo with 188 seats

Wed Dec 14, 2016 12:08 am

would rather get standing seat...
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Re: Hong Kong Express receives first A320neo with 188 seats

Wed Dec 14, 2016 1:38 am

VCEflyboy wrote:
True, although keep in mind that In china it's not unusual to spend 5-6 hours stuck on the termac waiting for takeoff clearance due to Chinese ATC congestion.


HK ATC has its issues (especially with the new 'upgraded' system) but its still better in general than China's ATC. But yes there will be some impact on HK Express flights to China (Ningbo and Kunming) or those passing through Chinese airspace.
 
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Re: Hong Kong Express receives first A320neo with 188 seats

Wed Dec 14, 2016 1:53 am

Yesterday morning from doors closed to take off in HK was 50 minutes. Kept on gate for 25 minutes.
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Re: Hong Kong Express receives first A320neo with 188 seats

Wed Dec 14, 2016 2:14 am

BestWestern wrote:
Yesterday morning from doors closed to take off in HK was 50 minutes. Kept on gate for 25 minutes.


Interesting - any reason given for the delay? And where were you headed?
 
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Re: Hong Kong Express receives first A320neo with 188 seats

Wed Dec 14, 2016 2:22 am

luftaom wrote:
In response to Horizon and CRJ900

Really? There are 8 seats more than Air Asia, Jetstar, Vueling and Easyjet (and many more).

A 1 hour flight on this will not be very comfortable ... let alone a 3 hour flight... unless you are 5'5" and 60kgs.


New delivery of A320 to AirAsia Jetstar Vueling and Easyjet (and many more) will be a 188 seater as well.
If BA etc can fit 180 seats on a A320 (first few rows seems to have larger leg room then remaining rows),
why an LCC can't fit 188 seats on it, especially 2 of the seats come from the space of gallery and washroom.
 
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Re: Hong Kong Express receives first A320neo with 188 seats

Wed Dec 14, 2016 2:57 am

hongkongflyer wrote:
luftaom wrote:
In response to Horizon and CRJ900

Really? There are 8 seats more than Air Asia, Jetstar, Vueling and Easyjet (and many more).

A 1 hour flight on this will not be very comfortable ... let alone a 3 hour flight... unless you are 5'5" and 60kgs.


New delivery of A320 to AirAsia Jetstar Vueling and Easyjet (and many more) will be a 188 seater as well.
If BA etc can fit 180 seats on a A320 (first few rows seems to have larger leg room then remaining rows),
why an LCC can't fit 188 seats on it, especially 2 of the seats come from the space of gallery and washroom.

well, some of their A320 with CFM engines only have 174 seats although those with IAE engines have 180
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Re: Hong Kong Express receives first A320neo with 188 seats

Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:45 am

c933103 wrote:
hongkongflyer wrote:
luftaom wrote:
In response to Horizon and CRJ900

Really? There are 8 seats more than Air Asia, Jetstar, Vueling and Easyjet (and many more).

A 1 hour flight on this will not be very comfortable ... let alone a 3 hour flight... unless you are 5'5" and 60kgs.


New delivery of A320 to AirAsia Jetstar Vueling and Easyjet (and many more) will be a 188 seater as well.
If BA etc can fit 180 seats on a A320 (first few rows seems to have larger leg room then remaining rows),
why an LCC can't fit 188 seats on it, especially 2 of the seats come from the space of gallery and washroom.

well, some of their A320 with CFM engines only have 174 seats although those with IAE engines have 180

Not to nitpick, AirAsia A320neo comes with 186 seats only. You may see the seat maps here: http://www.airasia.com/my/en/inflight-c ... #tabanchor

It still feel tight with 28" seat pitch for a 5'9" and 75kg person like me.

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