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How many 727s still active?

Sun Dec 18, 2016 12:10 am

Like the title says, how many 727-100s and 727-200s are still active around the world?
 
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Re: How many 727s still active?

Sun Dec 18, 2016 12:27 am

4 727-100
60 727-200
 
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Re: How many 727s still active?

Sun Dec 18, 2016 12:34 am

303dk wrote:
4 727-100
60 727-200



Thank you
 
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Re: How many 727s still active?

Sun Dec 18, 2016 12:41 am

That's just commercial right m? There has to be more in VIP and private/military
 
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Re: How many 727s still active?

Sun Dec 18, 2016 1:02 am

UA444 wrote:
That's just commercial right m? There has to be more in VIP and private/military


No I think thats total. There are only a few freighters around in service. I think Iran no longer has them flying around in pax service. Kalitta still has some 727's for charters. The 727 was never a big military or VIP plane, there are also very few of those still around. To be honest I thought the total figure would be even lower.
 
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Re: How many 727s still active?

Sun Dec 18, 2016 1:08 am

On the military side I know that Colombia and Mexico still use few.
On the VIP side I can think of two 727-100 active. Peter Nygard and Gambia's government.
Frys flies 727-200 on sports charter too.

Are they any left in commercial service? Not cargo?
 
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Re: How many 727s still active?

Sun Dec 18, 2016 1:11 am

UA444 wrote:
That's just commercial right m? There has to be more in VIP and private/military

Since it was posted in the Civil Aviation forum, that's what I included in my total.
 
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Re: How many 727s still active?

Sun Dec 18, 2016 1:15 am

I know for 721s there is VP-BAP & VP-BPZ

Does anyone know whats up with those 2 722s that just sit at PHX?
 
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Re: How many 727s still active?

Sun Dec 18, 2016 1:17 am

dcaviation wrote:
Are they any left in commercial service? Not cargo?


I'm pretty sure Iran Aseman (is/was?) the last pax 727 operator.

On planespotters.net they have three ex AF -200s listed as active but I can't verify if they are still flying pax.
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Re: How many 727s still active?

Sun Dec 18, 2016 2:04 am

peterj324 wrote:
UA444 wrote:
That's just commercial right m? There has to be more in VIP and private/military


No I think thats total. There are only a few freighters around in service. I think Iran no longer has them flying around in pax service. Kalitta still has some 727's for charters. The 727 was never a big military or VIP plane, there are also very few of those still around. To be honest I thought the total figure would be even lower.

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Re: How many 727s still active?

Sun Dec 18, 2016 2:41 am

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UA444 wrote:
That's just commercial right m? There has to be more in VIP and private/military


No I think thats total. There are only a few freighters around in service. I think Iran no longer has them flying around in pax service. Kalitta still has some 727's for charters. The 727 was never a big military or VIP plane, there are also very few of those still around. To be honest I thought the total figure would be even lower.


Kalitta charters has 8 722F's in service, at leat 4 of these are currently operating out of CVG on behalf of DHL Aviation.
 
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Re: How many 727s still active?

Sun Dec 18, 2016 2:42 am

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I know for 721s there is VP-BAP & VP-BPZ

Does anyone know whats up with those 2 722s that just sit at PHX?


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Re: How many 727s still active?

Sun Dec 18, 2016 11:33 am

The last one was produced 32 years ago. I am surprised that there are so many left...
 
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Re: How many 727s still active?

Sun Dec 18, 2016 11:40 am

There is at least one 727-100 flying in South America.
 
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Re: How many 727s still active?

Sun Dec 18, 2016 1:19 pm

CargoJet (CJT) has still 5 B-727-200F's in daily service (C-FCJU/FCJV/C-GLJB/GCJN/GCJZ). They are supported by parts taken out of 4 other ex CargoJet B-727-200' currently stored at Hamilton (YHM). Acc. to CJT they wanted to end B-727-operation at the end of 2005, but this never happened.
 
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Re: How many 727s still active?

Sun Dec 18, 2016 1:47 pm

Doesn't Amerijet still operate a few? I thought they had recently refitted/modified a couple 727's -- ??
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Re: How many 727s still active?

Sun Dec 18, 2016 2:21 pm

There's also HZ-AB3 and the gorgeous M-STAR in the VIP category.

Edit: Both B722
 
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Re: How many 727s still active?

Sun Dec 18, 2016 2:31 pm

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Doesn't Amerijet still operate a few? I thought they had recently refitted/modified a couple 727's -- ??

Yeah, they have 3 722F's as of this last fall.
 
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Re: How many 727s still active?

Sun Dec 18, 2016 2:33 pm

Here in Brazil: Total Cargo still operate about 3 727-200F, RIO (soonly Sideral) also operate about 2.
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Re: How many 727s still active?

Sun Dec 18, 2016 2:39 pm

[quote="dcaviation"]On the military side I know that Colombia and Mexico still use few.

The Mexican Federal Police use them. They are painted black and gold. The take off path is over the school I work in. When they take off they make an incredible amount of noise in comparison to modern jets. The Mexican Federal Police use the 727s to move prisoners, Federal Police and the arrested around the nation.
 
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Re: How many 727s still active?

Sun Dec 18, 2016 2:52 pm

This 727-200F is still very much a workhorse out of WMSA/SZB everyday....
 
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Re: How many 727s still active?

Sun Dec 18, 2016 2:58 pm

Services Air Cargo in the DRC has got about 3.
One is in service now in JNB, and the DRC Air Force has got one flying.
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Re: How many 727s still active?

Sun Dec 18, 2016 4:09 pm

I quite frequently see one at GYE. I'll try and get the reg off it next time I see it. As mentioned, it's sufficiently louder than modern planes.
 
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How many 727s still active?

Sun Dec 18, 2016 5:29 pm

dcaviation wrote:
Like the title says, how many 727-100s and 727-200s are still active around the world?

Found one fine example: VP-BPZ, 727-17RE. I guess it's modified because it has winglets. Owned by businessman Peter Nygaard.
 
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Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:00 pm

I remember when there were 727s EVERYWHERE

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Re: How many 727s still active?

Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:06 pm

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I know for 721s there is VP-BAP & VP-BPZ
Does anyone know whats up with those 2 722s that just sit at PHX?


The VP-BPZ is a 17RE with winglets and owned by Peter Nygaard.
 
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Re: How many 727s still active?

Sun Dec 18, 2016 7:21 pm

Weren't there some 727s that got modded to a two-man cockpit? Are these the ones still flying around or have they all been retired? How many total were modded to two-man cockpits?

LOVE the 727 - miss seeing them everywhere!
 
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Re: How many 727s still active?

Sun Dec 18, 2016 7:36 pm

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Weren't there some 727s that got modded to a two-man cockpit? Are these the ones still flying around or have they all been retired? How many total were modded to two-man cockpits?

LOVE the 727 - miss seeing them everywhere!


I don't think any were modded for 2 men.
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Re: How many 727s still active?

Sun Dec 18, 2016 8:03 pm

There is also the Bahrain VIP wingletted -2M7 A9C-BA
 
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Re: How many 727s still active?

Sun Dec 18, 2016 8:03 pm

Líneas Aéreas Suramericanas of Bogota, Colombia has 7 Boeing 727'a F

2x Boeing 727-100F
3x Boeing 727-200F
2x Boeing 727-200F Super 27


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Re: How many 727s still active?

Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:19 pm

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The last one was produced 32 years ago. I am surprised that there are so many left...

This is a testament to FedEx funding 727 parts for a long time(no more) and the MD-80 sustaining JT8D maintenance. But after AA made the decision to retire the MD-80, the JT8D parts market bifurcated to lots of cheap used parts and custom new parts.

In a few years (not yet), the most consumed non-wear parts will become dear. By wear parts I mean turbine blades, tires, brakes, filters, and items like window seals that have a short enough service life there is still a profit in making new parts; my discussion excludes wear parts.

But in four to five years the cost will go up for 727s due to parts shortages as inventories of certain parts run dry and they must be purchased at bespoke prices. They will also face competition from used 737NG and older A320s pushed out of high utilization duty by the NEO, MAX, and C-series.

It is impressive how many serve still, but like the L1011 the era is coming to an end.

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Re: How many 727s still active?

Sun Dec 18, 2016 10:35 pm

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But in four to five years the cost will go up for 727s due to parts shortages as inventories of certain parts run dry and they must be purchased at bespoke prices. They will also face competition from used 737NG and older A320s pushed out of high utilization duty by the NEO, MAX, and C-series.

I'm surprised you give it that long. Especially with the old JT8Ds. We've seen a few auto parts 727s and DC-9s come online over the past few years, if anything that would make the spares issues worse.
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Re: How many 727s still active?

Sun Dec 18, 2016 10:40 pm

I believe -100 N606DH is also still active, oldest airworthy 727.

At least two ex Kelowna Flightcraft have recently gone down to SBD airworthy too, registered to Texas Aviation Group, I guess they will be parted out, but am intrigued if they have a future.
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Re: How many 727s still active?

Sun Dec 18, 2016 11:33 pm

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But in four to five years the cost will go up for 727s due to parts shortages as inventories of certain parts run dry and they must be purchased at bespoke prices. They will also face competition from used 737NG and older A320s pushed out of high utilization duty by the NEO, MAX, and C-series.

I'm surprised you give it that long. Especially with the old JT8Ds. We've seen a few auto parts 727s and DC-9s come online over the past few years, if anything that would make the spares issues worse.

The used part market is run by a few small companies that are innovative in acquiring stock. But just as the L1011 economics went bad almost instantly for a few parts, so will the JT8D and 727.

Right now, the AA, DL, and soon G4 downsizing ensures plenty of JT8D parts (I have better insight into the pulse of engines than airframes, partially due to my own interests). Now DL has selected a retirement schedule certain to have the JT8D market short on parts in later 2020. Since G4 has the best insight into the part market, they're likely to run certain parts dry at the same time.

Unless there is a 727 airframe part about to become dear, it will be 2020 or 2021 when engine parts hit a wall. Vendors raised prices by 5X on last built parts. Since the volumes will be tiny, that is the cost of remaking bespoke items. It only costs twice as much to make 25 parts as 5.... Just as it costs twice as much to make a hundred as 25... The JT8D market has lost all economies of scale due to the flood of used parts. Cannibalization works until there aren't enough young parts to maintain the fleet. Historically the running out of parts is abrupt.

But for years, there is no possibility of a shortage. Too many common parts.

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Re: How many 727s still active?

Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:23 am

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The used part market is run by a few small companies that are innovative in acquiring stock. But just as the L1011 economics went bad almost instantly for a few parts, so will the JT8D and 727.

Right now, the AA, DL, and soon G4 downsizing ensures plenty of JT8D parts (I have better insight into the pulse of engines than airframes, partially due to my own interests). Now DL has selected a retirement schedule certain to have the JT8D market short on parts in later 2020. Since G4 has the best insight into the part market, they're likely to run certain parts dry at the same time.


Does the JT8D "classic" have that many parts in common with the JT8D-200 series?
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Re: How many 727s still active?

Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:59 am

M-STAR 722 with winglets was flying from LAX heading towards the east coast this morning...
 
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Re: How many 727s still active?

Mon Dec 19, 2016 1:15 am

What happened to VP-DBJ? Is it still active?
 
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Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:30 am

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What happened to VP-DBJ? Is it still active?

Still active with Weststar Aviation Services with same registration, based in SZB.
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Re: How many 727s still active?

Mon Dec 19, 2016 5:30 am

lavalampluva wrote:
peterj324 wrote:
UA444 wrote:
That's just commercial right m? There has to be more in VIP and private/military


No I think thats total. There are only a few freighters around in service. I think Iran no longer has them flying around in pax service. Kalitta still has some 727's for charters. The 727 was never a big military or VIP plane, there are also very few of those still around. To be honest I thought the total figure would be even lower.

P9 operates 3 out of GUM. Heading east as far as HNL


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Mon Dec 19, 2016 5:32 am

tmu101 wrote:
Weren't there some 727s that got modded to a two-man cockpit? Are these the ones still flying around or have they all been retired? How many total were modded to two-man cockpits?

LOVE the 727 - miss seeing them everywhere!

The retrofit to glass did not get rid of the engineer position.
 
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Re: How many 727s still active?

Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:00 am

Shot this image last year.....the left B727 (ex TAME) is now stored in an amusement park about a 100km from SEGU.

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The right is still active for the FAE.


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Re: How many 727s still active?

Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:16 pm

vhqpa wrote:
I'm pretty sure Iran Aseman (is/was?) the last pax 727 operator.


As of October 2016, Aseman is still flying four 727s. I was on board one of them and saw another one or two (I didn't get one of the regs), so that number seems pretty accurate to me.
 
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Mon Dec 19, 2016 1:02 pm

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I remember when there were 727s EVERYWHERE




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Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:10 pm

Steelhead wrote:
CargoJet (CJT) has still 5 B-727-200F's in daily service (C-FCJU/FCJV/C-GLJB/GCJN/GCJZ). They are supported by parts taken out of 4 other ex CargoJet B-727-200' currently stored at Hamilton (YHM). Acc. to CJT they wanted to end B-727-operation at the end of 2005, but this never happened.


I didn't know they were down to 5 active frames. I thought they still had 9 active and the 4 that were parked 2-3 years ago when they had a peak fleet of 13 were the parts donors. Interesting though. Glad CJT 727s are still at YOW a few times a week. We just had our last Canadian North 732 departure last week. They'll be switching over to their 'new' 733 combis in the new year on the YOW-YFB run (5T have contracted 7F 734 combi to fill in for 5T in the interim).
 
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Re: How many 727s still active?

Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:27 pm

Actually had a 727 on my frequency yesterday out of the Detroit area. Cool airplanes! I really miss the days of flying on them regularly.
 
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Re: How many 727s still active?

Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:32 pm

I am fairly certain that I have seen on a couple of occasions a Kalitta 727-200 at Terminal A at MCI as recent as a couple of months ago. Terminal A is now used for a lot of charters so I doubt it was a cargo a/c but I can't seem to find any information that Kalitta has passenger versions of the 727.
 
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Re: How many 727s still active?

Mon Dec 19, 2016 6:38 pm

Two 1975 vintage ex Air Jamaica, ex Kitty Hawk 727-2j0s now hauls freight for TAME in South America.
 
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Re: How many 727s still active?

Mon Dec 19, 2016 9:17 pm

cvgComair wrote:
slvrblt wrote:
Doesn't Amerijet still operate a few? I thought they had recently refitted/modified a couple 727's -- ??

Yeah, they have 3 722F's as of this last fall.


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Re: How many 727s still active?

Mon Dec 19, 2016 10:37 pm

I really would like to fly on this 722:
https://www.gozerog.com/index.cfm?fusea ... t.aircraft

But it's about $5k

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