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OAG Changes 12/23/2016: AA MIA Reshuffle, MIA-SLC Gone;VS Out of ORD, 3M Big Cuba Cuts

Sun Dec 18, 2016 5:37 pm

FAQ

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares departures for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

WHERE ARE SEATS SHOWN?
They aren't. This only shows departures.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Flights that do not operate every day of the month create fractional service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. For example, if a flight operates 4 times in April it will show 4/30=0.133=0.1. Also , a flight that only operates once per week may vary between 0.1 and 0.2 because a weekday may repeat either 4 or 5 times depending on the month.

WHAT ABOUT CARRIERS THAT DON'T PUBLISH A SCHEDULE 9 MONTHS IN ADVANCE?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. I remove the schedule adds if I see them and show a year over year (YOY) comparison if I notice them.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE SKYWEST
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THIS LOOKS LIKE AN ERROR?
The carriers file the schedules. They do make mistakes. Most of the mistakes I have seen are either related to code shares not being marked as "duplicates" or carriers filing flights with invalid data such as equipment codes that are not standard. This causes flights to not appear.

CHARTERS?
Lately charters have been showing up in the database. I have no idea if that will continue.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

Significant Cuba cuts from 3M
3M FLL-CCC MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.4>0.3 JUN 0.4>0.3 JUL 0.4>0.3 AUG 0.5>0.3
3M FLL-CMW FEB 0.5>0.4 MAR 0.7>0.4 APR 0.7>0.4 MAY 0.7>0.4 JUN 0.7>0.4 JUL 0.7>0.4 AUG 0.7>0.5
3M FLL-GHB MAR 0.4>0.5 APR 0.4>0.6 MAY 0.4>0.5 JUN 0.4>0.6 JUL 0.5>0.6 AUG 0.4>0.6
*3M FLL-HOG FEB 0.7>0.4 MAR 1.0>0.4 APR 1.0>0.4 MAY 1.0>0.4 JUN 1.0>0.4 JUL 1.0>0.5 AUG 1.0>0.4
3M FLL-MZO MAR 0.5>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.5>0.3 JUN 0.4>0.3 JUL 0.4>0.3 AUG 0.5>0.3
*3M FLL-SCU FEB 0.8>0.5 MAR 1.0>0.5 APR 1.0>0.4 MAY 1.0>0.4 JUN 1.0>0.4 JUL 1.0>0.4 AUG 1.0>0.4
*3M FLL-SNU FEB 0.9>0.6 MAR 1.0>0.4 APR 1.0>0.4 MAY 1.0>0.4 JUN 1.0>0.4 JUL 1.0>0.4 AUG 1.0>0.5
3M FLL-TPA MAR 4>3 APR 4>3 MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3
3M FLL-VRA MAR 0.6>0.4 APR 0.6>0.4 MAY 0.6>0.4 JUN 0.6>0.4 JUL 0.6>0.5 AUG 0.5>0.4
3M JAX-MHH MAR 0.3>0.1 APR 0.3>0.2 MAY 0.3>0.1 JUN 0.3>0.1 JUL 0.3>0.2 AUG 0.3>0.1
3M MCO-TLH MAR 1.5>0.7 APR 1.3>0.7 MAY 1.5>0.7 JUN 1.5>0.7 JUL 1.4>0.7 AUG 1.5>0.7
3M PBI-NAS FEB 0.4>0.8 MAR 0.3>1.0 APR 0.3>1.0 MAY 0.3>1.0 JUN 0.3>1.0 JUL 0.3>1.0 AUG 0.3>1.0
3M RSW-NAS MAR 0.5>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 JUN 0.5>0.3 JUL 0.4>0.3 AUG 0.4>0.3

4O MIA-MEX APR 3>1.7 MAY 3>1.7 JUN 3>1.7 JUL 3>1.7 AUG 3>1.7
4O SAT-MTY APR 0.8>0.7 MAY 0.9>0.6 JUN 0.9>0.6

AA DFW-DSM APR 5>4 MAY 6>5 JUN 6>5 JUL 6>5 AUG 5>4
AA LAX-MZT MAY 0.3>0.1 JUN 0.3>0.1 JUL 0.3>0.2
Big changes for MIA
AA MIA-ATL MAY 7>6 JUN 7>6 JUL 7>6 AUG 7>6
AA MIA-CHS APR 2>3 MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
AA MIA-CLE APR 1.7>3 MAY 1.7>3 JUN 1.7>3 JUL 1.7>3 AUG 1.7>3
AA MIA-CMH APR 1.7>3 MAY 1.7>3 JUN 1.7>3 JUL 1.7>4 AUG 1.7>3
AA MIA-CUN MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6
AA MIA-DEN JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
AA MIA-DTW APR 1.9>3 MAY 1.8>3 JUN 1.9>3 JUL 1.9>3 AUG 1.8>3
AA MIA-EWR APR 4>3 MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3
AA MIA-EYW MAY 5>4 JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4
AA MIA-FDF APR 0.2>0.3 MAY 0.1>0.3 JUN 0.3>1.0 JUL 0.3>1.0 AUG 0.2>0.8
AA MIA-FPO APR 1.9>2 MAY 3>2 JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2 AUG 3>2
AA MIA-HPN APR 2>1.1 MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0
AA MIA-IAD APR 2>3 MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
AA MIA-IND MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
AA MIA-LIR MAY 1.7>1.8 JUN 1.7>2 JUL 1.7>2 AUG 1.5>1.7
AA MIA-MCO MAY 8>7 JUN 8>7 JUL 8>7 AUG 8>7
*AA MIA-MID FEB 0.4>0 MAR 0.7>0 APR 0.7>0 MAY 0.7>0
*AA MIA-MSP APR 1.0>3 MAY 1.0>3 JUN 1.0>3 JUL 1.0>3 AUG 1.0>3
AA MIA-NAS APR 6>7
*AA MIA-PIT APR 2>4 MAY 2>4 JUN 2>4 JUL 2>4 AUG 2>4
AA MIA-SAL APR 1.9>1.1 MAY 1.7>1.0
*AA MIA-SAN APR 1.1>1.9 MAY 1.0>2.0 JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2
AA MIA-SAP AUG 1.8>1.7
*AA MIA-SEA JUN 1.0>2.0 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>1.7
AA MIA-SFO MAY 4>3
*AA MIA-SLC APR 1.0>0.1 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0
AA MIA-STL APR 2>3 MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
AA MIA-STT MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3
AA MIA-SXM AUG 1.8>2
AA MIA-TPA APR 5>6 MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6
AA MIA-YUL APR 1.9>1.0 MAY 2>1.0
AA ORD-CUN MAY 1.4>1.9
AA PHL-AUA MAY 0.3>0.5
AA PHL-MIA MAY 7>6

AC ATL-YYZ MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5
AC IND-YYZ JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
AC LAX-YVR JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6
AC SAN-YVR MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2
AC SFO-YYC MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2
AC SJC-YVR MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3

AM BOS-MEX APR 0.7>0.8
AM IAH-MEX FEB 5>4 MAR 4>3 APR 4>3 MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3
AM SAT-MEX APR 1.3>1.5

AS OGG-SAN JUN 1.4>1.0 JUL 1.5>1.0 AUG 1.4>1.0
*AS SMF-SJD JUL 0>0.2 AUG 0>0.1

AZ BOS-FCO APR 0.9>1.0
AZ LAX-FCO MAY 0.7>1.0

B6 BOS-PBI APR 6>7
B6 BOS-PUJ APR 0.7>0.8
*B6 BOS-STI MAR 1.0>0.4 APR 1.0>0 MAY 0.8>0.5
B6 JFK-STI APR 4>3
B6 LAS-SFO MAR 2>1.0 APR 2>1.0
B6 LGB-SFO MAR 5>6 APR 5>6

CM LAS-PTY MAR 1.0>0.9 APR 1.0>0.9 MAY 1.0>0.8

DL ATL-OAK MAY 0.5>0.2
DL ATL-PHL APR 11>10 MAY 11>10 JUN 11>10 JUL 11>10 AUG 11>10
DL DTW-CAK FEB 4>3
DL DTW-CMH APR 8>6 MAY 8>7 JUN 8>7
DL DTW-LHR APR 2>1.8
DL GFK-MSP APR 6>5
DL JFK-NCE APR 0.8>0.6
DL JFK-PRG MAY 0.7>0.6
DL JFK-RSW APR 3>2
DL JFK-YYZ APR 4>3
DL LAX-PVG APR 1.0>0.9
DL LAX-SYD MAY 1.0>0.9
DL LGA-IAH MAY 5>4 JUN 5>4
DL MSP-PHL APR 5>4
DL SLC-AUS APR 1.8>3 MAY 1.8>3
DL SLC-CDC MAR 1.7>1.2 APR 1.7>0.8 MAY 1.7>0.9 JUN 1.7>0.9 JUL 1.7>0.8 AUG 1.7>0.9
DL SLC-LWS APR 2.0>1.0 MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0

DY FLL-PTP APR 0>0.3
DY JFK-FDF APR 0>0.6
DY JFK-PTP MAR 0.5>0.6 APR 0>0.5

*EQ JFK-GYE MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0
*EQ JFK-UIO MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0

EW LAS-CGN JUN 0>0.3

J5 AGN-TKE APR 1.0>1.9 MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2
J5 HNH-JNU FEB 2>4 MAR 2>4 APR 2>5 MAY 2>5 JUN 2>5 JUL 2>5 AUG 2>5
J5 HNS-JNU JAN 1.9>3 FEB 2>3 MAR 2>3 APR 1.0>3 MAY 1.0>3 JUN 1.0>3 JUL 1.0>3 AUG 1.0>3
J5 HNS-SGY MAR 1.0>1.9 APR 0>1.9 MAY 0>2 JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2 AUG 0>2
J5 JNU-KAE MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2
J5 JNU-PEC JAN 0.1>0.8 FEB 0.1>0.9 MAR 0.2>0.9 APR 0.1>0.8 MAY 0.0>0.9 JUN 0>0.9 JUL 0>0.8 AUG 0>0.9
J5 JNU-SGY APR 1.0>1.9 MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2
J5 JNU-SIT FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0

MS JFK-CAI APR 1.0>0.7

MU HNL-PVG FEB 0.8>0.6

RJ JFK-AMM APR 0.5>0.7 MAY 0.5>0.7 JUN 0.7>0.9 JUL 0.7>1.0 AUG 0.7>1.0
RJ ORD-AMM APR 0.7>0.9

TK MIA-IST FEB 0.9>0.8

UA DEN-SUN JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
UA EWR-YVR JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
UA IAH-ANC JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0
UA IAH-GUC JUL 0>1.0
UA IAH-MTJ JUN 0>0.8 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 0.5>1.5
UA IAH-PBI JUN 1.0>0.2 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0
UA IAH-YVR JUL 1.3>2 AUG 1.3>2
*UA LAX-BOS JUN 1.2>2 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2
UA ORD-BIL JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
UA ORD-MTJ JUL 0>1.0
UA ORD-PDX JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5

VS ATL-LHR MAY 1.8>1.3
VS BOS-LHR JUN 1.0>0.8 JUL 1.0>0.8 AUG 1.0>0.9
VS LAS-LGW APR 1.3>1.1
VS LAS-MAN AUG 0.5>0.3
VS MCO-LGW APR 2>1.9
*VS ORD-LHR APR 0.3>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0
VS SFO-LHR APR 2>1.9 MAY 2>1.9 JUN 2>1.8 JUL 2>1.9 AUG 2>1.9

WP HNL-KOA FEB 6>7 MAR 6>7 APR 6>7 MAY 6>7 JUN 6>7 JUL 6>7 AUG 6>7
WP HNL-OGG FEB 10>13 MAR 10>13 APR 10>13 MAY 10>13 JUN 10>13 JUL 10>13 AUG 10>13

XL JFK-GYE APR 1.0>1.1

ZK CYS-DEN JAN 3>1.8 FEB 3>1.7 MAR 3>1.7 APR 3>1.7 MAY 3>1.7 JUN 3>1.7 JUL 3>1.7 AUG 3>1.7
ZK FMN-PRC MAR 0.3>0.2 APR 0.3>0.1 MAY 0.3>0.2 JUN 0.3>0.1 JUL 0.3>0.1 AUG 0.3>0.2
 
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Re: OAG Changes 12/23/2016: AA MIA Reshuffle, MIA-SLC Gone;VS Out of ORD, 3M Big Cuba Cuts

Sun Dec 18, 2016 5:48 pm

When I first started reading the AA update, I thought this was going to be a lot of cuts, but your use of the word shuffle is right. There are lot of adds there, maybe even more than reductions. Very interesting changes in both directions.

enilria wrote:
*AA MIA-MID FEB 0.4>0 MAR 0.7>0 APR 0.7>0 MAY 0.7>0


AA has reported pushed the start date of MIA-MID to June 2.

enilria wrote:
DL SLC-AUS APR 1.8>3 MAY 1.8>3


This is interesting to me too. I don't think this is a normal seasonal increase they have done in the past.
Last edited by ty97 on Sun Dec 18, 2016 5:52 pm, edited 1 time in total.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 12/23/2016: AA MIA Reshuffle, MIA-SLC Gone;VS Out of ORD, 3M Big Cuba Cuts

Sun Dec 18, 2016 5:50 pm

enilria wrote:


Big changes for MIA
AA MIA-ATL MAY 7>6 JUN 7>6 JUL 7>6 AUG 7>6
AA MIA-CHS APR 2>3 MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
AA MIA-CLE APR 1.7>3 MAY 1.7>3 JUN 1.7>3 JUL 1.7>3 AUG 1.7>3
AA MIA-CMH APR 1.7>3 MAY 1.7>3 JUN 1.7>3 JUL 1.7>4 AUG 1.7>3
AA MIA-CUN MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6
AA MIA-DEN JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
AA MIA-DTW APR 1.9>3 MAY 1.8>3 JUN 1.9>3 JUL 1.9>3 AUG 1.8>3
AA MIA-EWR APR 4>3 MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3
AA MIA-EYW MAY 5>4 JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4
AA MIA-FDF APR 0.2>0.3 MAY 0.1>0.3 JUN 0.3>1.0 JUL 0.3>1.0 AUG 0.2>0.8
AA MIA-FPO APR 1.9>2 MAY 3>2 JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2 AUG 3>2
AA MIA-HPN APR 2>1.1 MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0
AA MIA-IAD APR 2>3 MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
AA MIA-IND MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
*AA MIA-MSP APR 1.0>3 MAY 1.0>3 JUN 1.0>3 JUL 1.0>3 AUG 1.0>3
AA MIA-NAS APR 6>7
*AA MIA-PIT APR 2>4 MAY 2>4 JUN 2>4 JUL 2>4 AUG 2>4
*AA MIA-SAN APR 1.1>1.9 MAY 1.0>2.0 JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2
*AA MIA-SEA JUN 1.0>2.0 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>1.7
AA MIA-SFO MAY 4>3
AA MIA-STL APR 2>3 MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
AA MIA-STT MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3
AA MIA-SXM AUG 1.8>2
AA MIA-TPA APR 5>6 MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6




Me thinks that these gains for MIA will come from CLT losses
 
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Re: OAG Changes 12/23/2016: AA MIA Reshuffle, MIA-SLC Gone;VS Out of ORD, 3M Big Cuba Cuts

Sun Dec 18, 2016 5:59 pm

That is huge gain for MIA-MSP. It has never (except for one winter a few years ago) been more than 1x daily. I wonder if it is being downgraded to E75's to compensate?

Update: checking the schedule looks like I am right. Goes from 1x 738 to 3x YX-operated E75
 
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Re: OAG Changes 12/23/2016: AA MIA Reshuffle, MIA-SLC Gone;VS Out of ORD, 3M Big Cuba Cuts

Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:08 pm

piedmontf284000 wrote:
Me thinks that these gains for MIA will come from CLT losses

These violent delights have violent ends?
usflyer msp wrote:
That is huge gain for MIA-MSP. It has never (except for one winter a few years ago) been more than 1x daily. I wonder if it is being downgraded to E75's to compensate?

Yup, E75s. The other routes mostly see similar equipment to what they had. The 4th PIT is only some days of the week.
ty97 wrote:
When I first started reading the AA update, I thought this was going to be a lot of cuts, but your use of the word shuffle is right. There are lot of adds there, maybe even more than reductions. Very interesting changes in both directions.


They basically added a bunch of capacity from the hubs of other airlines.

ty97 wrote:
enilria wrote:
DL SLC-AUS APR 1.8>3 MAY 1.8>3


A319 out, 717s in.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 12/23/2016: AA MIA Reshuffle, MIA-SLC Gone;VS Out of ORD, 3M Big Cuba Cuts

Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:09 pm

piedmontf284000 wrote:
enilria wrote:


Big changes for MIA
AA MIA-ATL MAY 7>6 JUN 7>6 JUL 7>6 AUG 7>6
AA MIA-CHS APR 2>3 MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
AA MIA-CLE APR 1.7>3 MAY 1.7>3 JUN 1.7>3 JUL 1.7>3 AUG 1.7>3
AA MIA-CMH APR 1.7>3 MAY 1.7>3 JUN 1.7>3 JUL 1.7>4 AUG 1.7>3
AA MIA-CUN MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6
AA MIA-DEN JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
AA MIA-DTW APR 1.9>3 MAY 1.8>3 JUN 1.9>3 JUL 1.9>3 AUG 1.8>3
AA MIA-EWR APR 4>3 MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3
AA MIA-EYW MAY 5>4 JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4
AA MIA-FDF APR 0.2>0.3 MAY 0.1>0.3 JUN 0.3>1.0 JUL 0.3>1.0 AUG 0.2>0.8
AA MIA-FPO APR 1.9>2 MAY 3>2 JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2 AUG 3>2
AA MIA-HPN APR 2>1.1 MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0
AA MIA-IAD APR 2>3 MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
AA MIA-IND MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
*AA MIA-MSP APR 1.0>3 MAY 1.0>3 JUN 1.0>3 JUL 1.0>3 AUG 1.0>3
AA MIA-NAS APR 6>7
*AA MIA-PIT APR 2>4 MAY 2>4 JUN 2>4 JUL 2>4 AUG 2>4
*AA MIA-SAN APR 1.1>1.9 MAY 1.0>2.0 JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2
*AA MIA-SEA JUN 1.0>2.0 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>1.7
AA MIA-SFO MAY 4>3
AA MIA-STL APR 2>3 MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
AA MIA-STT MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3
AA MIA-SXM AUG 1.8>2
AA MIA-TPA APR 5>6 MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6




Me thinks that these gains for MIA will come from CLT losses

Wonder if AA will ever add PDX-MIA. Well overdue imo.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 12/23/2016: AA MIA Reshuffle, MIA-SLC Gone;VS Out of ORD, 3M Big Cuba Cuts

Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:11 pm

usflyer msp wrote:
That is huge gain for MIA-MSP. It has never (except for one winter a few years ago) been more than 1x daily. I wonder if it is being downgraded to E75's to compensate?

Update: checking the schedule looks like I am right. Goes from 1x 738 to 3x YX-operated E75


Yep...looks like 3 x E75 for MSP. Of all the Midwest markets that moved to 3 per day to MIA, only DTW operates with all mainline. The rest (MSP/IND/CLE/CMH) will operate with RJ's.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 12/23/2016: AA MIA Reshuffle, MIA-SLC Gone;VS Out of ORD, 3M Big Cuba Cuts

Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:22 pm

enilria wrote:
Big changes for MIA
AA MIA-ATL MAY 7>6 JUN 7>6 JUL 7>6 AUG 7>6
AA MIA-CHS APR 2>3 MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
AA MIA-CLE APR 1.7>3 MAY 1.7>3 JUN 1.7>3 JUL 1.7>3 AUG 1.7>3
AA MIA-CMH APR 1.7>3 MAY 1.7>3 JUN 1.7>3 JUL 1.7>4 AUG 1.7>3
AA MIA-CUN MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6
AA MIA-DEN JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
AA MIA-DTW APR 1.9>3 MAY 1.8>3 JUN 1.9>3 JUL 1.9>3 AUG 1.8>3
AA MIA-EWR APR 4>3 MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3
AA MIA-EYW MAY 5>4 JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4
AA MIA-FDF APR 0.2>0.3 MAY 0.1>0.3 JUN 0.3>1.0 JUL 0.3>1.0 AUG 0.2>0.8
AA MIA-FPO APR 1.9>2 MAY 3>2 JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2 AUG 3>2
AA MIA-HPN APR 2>1.1 MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0
AA MIA-IAD APR 2>3 MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
AA MIA-IND MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
AA MIA-LIR MAY 1.7>1.8 JUN 1.7>2 JUL 1.7>2 AUG 1.5>1.7
AA MIA-MCO MAY 8>7 JUN 8>7 JUL 8>7 AUG 8>7
*AA MIA-MID FEB 0.4>0 MAR 0.7>0 APR 0.7>0 MAY 0.7>0
*AA MIA-MSP APR 1.0>3 MAY 1.0>3 JUN 1.0>3 JUL 1.0>3 AUG 1.0>3
AA MIA-NAS APR 6>7
*AA MIA-PIT APR 2>4 MAY 2>4 JUN 2>4 JUL 2>4 AUG 2>4
AA MIA-SAL APR 1.9>1.1 MAY 1.7>1.0
*AA MIA-SAN APR 1.1>1.9 MAY 1.0>2.0 JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2
AA MIA-SAP AUG 1.8>1.7
*AA MIA-SEA JUN 1.0>2.0 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>1.7
AA MIA-SFO MAY 4>3
*AA MIA-SLC APR 1.0>0.1 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0
AA MIA-STL APR 2>3 MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
AA MIA-STT MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3
AA MIA-SXM AUG 1.8>2
AA MIA-TPA APR 5>6 MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6
AA MIA-YUL APR 1.9>1.0 MAY 2>1.0
AA PHL-MIA MAY 7>6

B6 BOS-PBI APR 6>7
B6 BOS-PUJ APR 0.7>0.8
*B6 BOS-STI MAR 1.0>0.4 APR 1.0>0 MAY 0.8>0.5
B6 JFK-STI APR 4>3
B6 LAS-SFO MAR 2>1.0 APR 2>1.0
B6 LGB-SFO MAR 5>6 APR 5>6


As always, thanks for putting this together enilria.

AA @ MIA - Interesting to see where the growth is going - seems mostly to be to Midwestern destinations, and/or markets where B6 has recently started from FLL (although I think this is more of a coincidence). 3x to EWR seems a little light, no?

B6 - Interesting to see the reductions in STI. B6 management recently indicated that the DR remains "highly profitable" but is still seeing weakness compared to prior years. The LAS-SFO drop to 1x in exchange for 6x to LGB is also very interesting. B6 must be trying to optimize its use of 2 gates at SFO...I wouldn't be surprised to see SFO-LAS completely eliminated sooner rather than later. Separately, it's interesting that B6 will have 14 flights a day from LGB to the Bay Area (SFO/OAK/SJC). That's pretty serious capacity.
 
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Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:32 pm

MIA-IAD 3x 319
MIA-PIT 1x ERJ 2x 175 (3x 175 less than daily)
MIA-STL 1x 175, 1x 319, 1x 738
MIA-ATL goes from 3x 175 / 4x mainline to 1x 175 and 5x mainline
MIA-CHS 1x ERJ, 2x 175
 
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Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:35 pm

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B6 - Interesting to see the reductions in STI. B6 management recently indicated that the DR remains "highly profitable" but is still seeing weakness compared to prior years. The LAS-SFO drop to 1x in exchange for 6x to LGB is also very interesting. B6 must be trying to optimize its use of 2 gates at SFO...I wouldn't be surprised to see SFO-LAS completely eliminated sooner rather than later. Separately, it's interesting that B6 will have 14 flights a day from LGB to the Bay Area (SFO/OAK/SJC). That's pretty serious capacity.


SFO-LAS has always felt like non-hub utilization flying and has to be tougher operationally if they have delays or max issues. SFO-LGB likely fits better operationally. I also continue to believe B6 has bigger plans for SFO long term if they can get more gates.
 
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Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:37 pm

What about B6 LGB - SMF?
Why endure the nightmare and congestion of LAX when BUR, LGB, ONT & SNA is so much easier to fly in and out of. Same with OAK & SJC when it comes to SFO.
 
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Sun Dec 18, 2016 7:20 pm

The SEA-MIA schedule sucks! AA needs an early morning flight to MIA to effectively connect to the plethora of available connections through MIA.
 
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Sun Dec 18, 2016 7:35 pm

I wonder why CVG was left out of the midwest growth from MIA.
 
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Sun Dec 18, 2016 7:39 pm

Pretty significant - and in my view, broadly positive - changes for MIA. The switch of several routes from mainline to mostly- or all-175, at higher frequency, seems like a clear win for AA and passengers, with more schedule options and the ability to link more spokes to more connecting banks at MIA, all on what I consider a mainline if not better-than-mainline onboard product.

wedgetail737 wrote:
The SEA-MIA schedule sucks! AA needs an early morning flight to MIA to effectively connect to the plethora of available connections through MIA.


The SEA-MIA schedule is optimized for the "plethora" of connections for which MIA is most optimal from SEA - and that's Latin America. The longstanding eastbound redeye and westbound evening departure are timed well to connect with flights to/from the Caribbean and South America, and the "new" morning westbound and midday eastbound (the "traditional" schedule for this route when AA ran it for years up until about five years ago) is timed perfectly for connections to/from South America. A morning eastbound departure would connect to fewer, and fewer unique, connections in MIA than the presently-published schedules.
 
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Sun Dec 18, 2016 7:51 pm

SFOtoORD wrote:

SFO-LAS has always felt like non-hub utilization flying and has to be tougher operationally if they have delays or max issues. SFO-LGB likely fits better operationally. I also continue to believe B6 has bigger plans for SFO long term if they can get more gates.

B6 added SFOLAS as retaliation against VX for some increased JFK flying. Makes some sense to unwind it. If the trip remaining isn't in the 10a-3p timeframe they will likely leave.
jetbluefan1 wrote:

As always, thanks for putting this together.

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Sun Dec 18, 2016 8:06 pm

commavia wrote:
Pretty significant - and in my view, broadly positive - changes for MIA. The switch of several routes from mainline to mostly- or all-175, at higher frequency, seems like a clear win for AA and passengers, with more schedule options and the ability to link more spokes to more connecting banks at MIA, all on what I consider a mainline if not better-than-mainline onboard product.


Hopefully it is also a(nother) sign that the YX staffing issues that had limited E-jet availability are resolved.
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Sun Dec 18, 2016 8:51 pm

Looks like a filing mistake for VS. I just went through all of June, July & August and VS operates daily BOS-LHR.
 
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Sun Dec 18, 2016 8:52 pm

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Hopefully it is also a(nother) sign that the YX staffing issues that had limited E-jet availability are resolved.


Indeed. It's definitely clear looking at the schedules that more 2-class RJs are starting to creep back into the schedule in markets where they started drawing down in the last year. There are plenty of routes in and out of ORD, LGA, etc. that went near-entirely or entirely 2-class RJ in 2014/2015 and then saw lots of 50-seat capacity reappear in the last 18 months, and thankfully the signs are encouraging that this is starting to turn back in the right direction. It's also apparent that the delivery of new CR9s and E175s at Eagle operators other than Republic is helping. Plus, the CR7s coming from SkyWest will probably help, too.

As things appear to be going right now, assuming AA can keep staffing the 2-class RJs flying or in the pipeline - critical assumption, I know - it isn't at all hard to see a realistic path to no more than 100-150 CRJ/ER4 in the next few years. I think one of AA's immediate and primary objectives should be getting DCA and LGA to entirely or near-entirely 2-class RJs - and it's quite obvious from the schedules, even as published today, that AA is moving in that direction. As for ORD, DFW, CLT and PHL - all of those hubs have a series of spokes that will never need/support 2-class RJs, but looking at the remaining CRJ, ER4 and DH1/DH3 routes, the candidates for upgauging are obvious. The remaining markets can likely be covered with a dramatically smaller 50-seat RJ fleet (with probably 15-25 aircraft each at ORD, DFW, CLT and PHL, plus a smattering flowing through DCA, LGA, MIA and possibly back into PHX and/or LAX). My dream scenario would be for AA to essentially ditch the CRJ fleet entirely and just consolidate all 50-seat flying down to the Envoy/Piedmont 145s.
 
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Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:10 pm

Cubsrule wrote:
Hopefully it is also a(nother) sign that the YX staffing issues that had limited E-jet availability are resolved.

Is mainline maintaining overall you think?
clrd4t8koff wrote:
Looks like a filing mistake for VS. I just went through all of June, July & August and VS operates daily BOS-LHR.

Perhaps, no idea...Is the equipment type different on various days? That could hint at the issue.
 
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Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:12 pm

Re: MIA changes by AA

I see that the 2 western destinations from MIA that had only a single r/t - SAN and SEA - are both getting their second trip. (According to the AA timetable, the added SAN-MIA r/t actually starts in early March.) I'm wondering if this will be a permanent add for SAN? I was under the impression that the route was doing well so a 2nd trip in the market could very well be long-term.

Perhaps B6 adding the first SAN-FLL trip this past summer (and some talk that there may be another flight added by someone else) has something to do with this as well.

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Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:39 pm

seatback wrote:
I wonder why CVG was left out of the midwest growth from MIA.


I was wondering the same thing. My assumption is that its a result of DL/G4/F9 operating CVG-FLL. Also, AA is the weakest carrier of the US3 at CVG, with DL retaining flights on nearly all AA's hubs in addition to AA not operating any mainline aircraft at CVG.
 
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Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:50 pm

dc10lover wrote:
What about B6 LGB - SMF?

It appears to maintain status quo at 2 x daily.
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enilria wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:
Hopefully it is also a(nother) sign that the YX staffing issues that had limited E-jet availability are resolved.

Is mainline maintaining overall you think?


I'm not sure. There had been some suggestion, albeit never confirmed officially AFAIK, that AA slowed down S80 retirements to cover some of YX's flying. It may be that resolution of the YX "squeeze" permits them to get back closer to the original retirement schedule.
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Sun Dec 18, 2016 11:00 pm

Cubsrule wrote:
enilria wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:
Hopefully it is also a(nother) sign that the YX staffing issues that had limited E-jet availability are resolved.

Is mainline maintaining overall you think?


I'm not sure. There had been some suggestion, albeit never confirmed officially AFAIK, that AA slowed down S80 retirements to cover some of YX's flying. It may be that resolution of the YX "squeeze" permits them to get back closer to the original retirement schedule.

Seems like the mainline flying needs to reappear elsewhere, but its hard to see that sort of thing clearly in the changes.
 
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Sun Dec 18, 2016 11:23 pm

enilria wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:
enilria wrote:
Is mainline maintaining overall you think?


I'm not sure. There had been some suggestion, albeit never confirmed officially AFAIK, that AA slowed down S80 retirements to cover some of YX's flying. It may be that resolution of the YX "squeeze" permits them to get back closer to the original retirement schedule.

Seems like the mainline flying needs to reappear elsewhere, but its hard to see that sort of thing clearly in the changes.


AA is large enough that they can probably slide utilization a few percent with minimal effort or effect.
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Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:49 am

The rush to Cuba from US carriers shows why the industry turns billionaires into millionaires. Jump on the bandwagon without any thought. This is one of many reasons I will never buy stock in an airline. The CEOs seem to be all A-net alum with the "GRB-BKK will print money mentality."
 
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Mon Dec 19, 2016 1:21 am

globalcabotage wrote:
The rush to Cuba from US carriers shows why the industry turns billionaires into millionaires. Jump on the bandwagon without any thought. This is one of many reasons I will never buy stock in an airline. The CEOs seem to be all A-net alum with the "GRB-BKK will print money mentality."


Everyone was salivating at the chance to get into Cuba. When it all shakes out I would expect most of the secondary destinations are dropped, or made less than daily. I'm not sure VFR traffic will fill those planes.
 
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Mon Dec 19, 2016 1:27 am

globalcabotage wrote:
The rush to Cuba from US carriers shows why the industry turns billionaires into millionaires. Jump on the bandwagon without any thought. This is one of many reasons I will never buy stock in an airline. The CEOs seem to be all A-net alum with the "GRB-BKK will print money mentality."


I tend to agree to an extent. Hard to see how 3M thinks it can make money flying 19-seat planes at bare bone fares from FLL to Cuba against B6 mainline (or AA mainline from MIA), which have significantly lower CASM. I also still don't understand AS on LAX-HAV...there are very few nonstop flights from LA to the Caribbean, so it's hard for me to see how a market which has significant travel restrictions will be successful. Will a LAX-HAV nonstop command a significant enough premium over a LAX-ATL/IAH/FLL/MIA/MCO-HAV one-stop to make this worthwhile for AS? I guess we'll find out eventually.

That said, Cuba is unique. HAV has limited slots for US carriers and it was essentially a "once in a lifetime" grab, so it is somewhat justifiable that an airline would lose money in the short-medium term in the hope (projection?) that it will eventually pay off. I would be interested to see if - and who - eventually starts admitting defeat at HAV. No doubt the increasingly likely risk of an erratic Trump administration could have a serious effect on this market.
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Mon Dec 19, 2016 1:30 am

cvgComair wrote:
seatback wrote:
I wonder why CVG was left out of the midwest growth from MIA.


Also, AA is the weakest carrier of the US3 at CVG, with DL retaining flights on nearly all AA's hubs in addition to AA not operating any mainline aircraft at CVG.


I think AA has always been a number two at CVG behind Delta's operation.
 
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Mon Dec 19, 2016 1:37 am

I tend to agree to an extent. Hard to see how 3M thinks it can make money flying 19-seat planes at bare bone fares from FLL to Cuba against B6 mainline (or AA mainline from MIA), which have significantly lower CASM

They don't since they fly SAAB 340s. :)

I am on the way too much service bandwagon. Hopefully it won't take too long to shake out to what real market will be.
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Mon Dec 19, 2016 1:38 am

jetbluefan1 wrote:
globalcabotage wrote:
The rush to Cuba from US carriers shows why the industry turns billionaires into millionaires. Jump on the bandwagon without any thought. This is one of many reasons I will never buy stock in an airline. The CEOs seem to be all A-net alum with the "GRB-BKK will print money mentality."


I tend to agree to an extent. Hard to see how 3M thinks it can make money flying 19-seat planes at bare bone fares from FLL to Cuba against B6 mainline (or AA mainline from MIA), which have significantly lower CASM. I also still don't understand AS on LAX-HAV...there are very few nonstop flights from LA to the Caribbean, so it's hard for me to see how a market which has significant travel restrictions will be successful. Will a LAX-HAV nonstop command a significant enough premium over a LAX-ATL/IAH/FLL/MIA/MCO-HAV one-stop to make this worthwhile for AS? I guess we'll find out eventually.

That said, Cuba is unique. HAV has limited slots for US carriers and it was essentially a "once in a lifetime" grab, so it is somewhat justifiable that an airline would lose money in the short-medium term in the hope (projection?) that it will eventually pay off. I would be interested to see if - and who - eventually starts admitting defeat at HAV. No doubt the increasingly likely risk of an erratic Trump administration could have a serious effect on this market.

SY has yet to put out a schedule let alone a start date. I wouldn't be surprised if the scrapped the Cuba project.
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Mon Dec 19, 2016 1:45 am

Do the E75's use a real gate in MIA or are they at D60? If it is D60, the MIA-MSP flights are now a no go for me. If refuse to subject myself to the hot mess called MIA D60 during a bank. To many flights boarding at one time leads to lots of confused passengers with limited english proficiency.
 
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Mon Dec 19, 2016 2:22 am

usflyer msp wrote:
Do the E75's use a real gate in MIA or are they at D60? If it is D60, the MIA-MSP flights are now a no go for me. If refuse to subject myself to the hot mess called MIA D60 during a bank. To many flights boarding at one time leads to lots of confused passengers with limited english proficiency.


During the last two weeks, I was on an AA E75 flight from MIA to ATL and it used D60. That doesn't necessarily mean all E75 flights out of MIA use D60. My own experience with D60 wasn't bad as there were not many flights leaving at the time I was there. Also, it wasn't oppressively hot/humid as it would be from June till October.
 
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Mon Dec 19, 2016 2:26 am

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The SEA-MIA schedule sucks! AA needs an early morning flight to MIA to effectively connect to the plethora of available connections through MIA.


If AS can no longer code-share with AA on this route (due to the DOJ ruling on the VX acquisition) then possibly they'll return to SEA-MIA?
 
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Mon Dec 19, 2016 2:33 am

hiflyeras wrote:
If AS can no longer code-share with AA on this route (due to the DOJ ruling on the VX acquisition) then possibly they'll return to SEA-MIA?


Don't believe SEA-MIA was one of the routes covered by the DOJ concessions, as it's not an overlapping route between AA and either Alaska or Virgin.
 
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Mon Dec 19, 2016 2:35 am

DL JFK-NCE APR 0.8>0.6
DL JFK-PRG MAY 0.7>0.6
DL LAX-PVG APR 1.0>0.9
DL LAX-SYD MAY 1.0>0.9

Is Delta having some aircraft shortages? LAX-PVG/SYD are both 777-200LR and JFK-NCE/PRG are both 767 I believe. Considering the cuts are only by 1X weekly flight and only for a short period of time I am inclined to think so.
 
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Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:29 am

piedmontf284000 wrote:
enilria wrote:


Big changes for MIA
AA MIA-ATL MAY 7>6 JUN 7>6 JUL 7>6 AUG 7>6
AA MIA-CHS APR 2>3 MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
AA MIA-CLE APR 1.7>3 MAY 1.7>3 JUN 1.7>3 JUL 1.7>3 AUG 1.7>3
AA MIA-CMH APR 1.7>3 MAY 1.7>3 JUN 1.7>3 JUL 1.7>4 AUG 1.7>3
AA MIA-CUN MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6
AA MIA-DEN JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
AA MIA-DTW APR 1.9>3 MAY 1.8>3 JUN 1.9>3 JUL 1.9>3 AUG 1.8>3
AA MIA-EWR APR 4>3 MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3
AA MIA-EYW MAY 5>4 JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4
AA MIA-FDF APR 0.2>0.3 MAY 0.1>0.3 JUN 0.3>1.0 JUL 0.3>1.0 AUG 0.2>0.8
AA MIA-FPO APR 1.9>2 MAY 3>2 JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2 AUG 3>2
AA MIA-HPN APR 2>1.1 MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0
AA MIA-IAD APR 2>3 MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
AA MIA-IND MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
*AA MIA-MSP APR 1.0>3 MAY 1.0>3 JUN 1.0>3 JUL 1.0>3 AUG 1.0>3
AA MIA-NAS APR 6>7
*AA MIA-PIT APR 2>4 MAY 2>4 JUN 2>4 JUL 2>4 AUG 2>4
*AA MIA-SAN APR 1.1>1.9 MAY 1.0>2.0 JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2
*AA MIA-SEA JUN 1.0>2.0 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>1.7
AA MIA-SFO MAY 4>3
AA MIA-STL APR 2>3 MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
AA MIA-STT MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3
AA MIA-SXM AUG 1.8>2
AA MIA-TPA APR 5>6 MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6




Me thinks that these gains for MIA will come from CLT losses


well have to see where the cuts and adds were done.
 
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Mon Dec 19, 2016 5:14 am

seatback wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
seatback wrote:
I wonder why CVG was left out of the midwest growth from MIA.


Also, AA is the weakest carrier of the US3 at CVG, with DL retaining flights on nearly all AA's hubs in addition to AA not operating any mainline aircraft at CVG.


I think AA has always been a number two at CVG behind Delta's operation.


AA (and US) has been the second largest at CVG for a very long time, CO and NW were never strong, but the recent upgauges have put UA at 1946 weekday seats this summer ahead of AA at 1787. AA still wins on daily departures, but that is because of them operating mostly ERJ-145's at high frequency, while UA only operates 70+ seat aircraft from CVG. Just in the past few months UA has put 70+ seat aircraft on all its routes, added mainline to Chicago/Denver, announced a 3rd daily to IAD, and announced a new daily flight to San Francisco. Most of the reason AA operates small aircraft with high frequency is to compete with DL, as DL operates more seats a day to many of AA's hubs including LGA, JFK, DCA, MIA (via FLL) and LAX, along with 3+ daily flights to PHL, CLT, ORD, and DFW. If it was not for DL, AA would have more capacity on these routes and CVG probably would see more expansions like other midwest cities such as CMH/IND/SDF that are not dominated by a single carrier.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 12/23/2016: AA MIA Reshuffle, MIA-SLC Gone;VS Out of ORD, 3M Big Cuba Cuts

Tue Dec 20, 2016 3:53 pm

And STILL no MIA-MKE on AA. SMH. That is a perfect E175 market yet they REFUSE to add it.

AA's service to MKE is just pathetic; I sometimes wonder why they even bother flying there as it's treated like an after thought.

AA has the large operation at DCA flying to all sorts of cities, yet no MKE. I think I read that AA flies nonstop to 47 of the top 50 O/D cities from DCA. Of course MKE is 1 of the 3.

ORD and PHL are still only 50 seat RJs.

CLT is only RJs from MKE.

DFW still gets the old, tired MD80s on 3 of the 4 flights.

Come on AA show MKE some love already!
 
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Re: OAG Changes 12/23/2016: AA MIA Reshuffle, MIA-SLC Gone;VS Out of ORD, 3M Big Cuba Cuts

Tue Dec 20, 2016 4:48 pm

A couple of observations. First, has VS given up on ORD-LHR, again? If you think about it, VS has to rely on O&D Chicago for service to ORD. AA and UA get the vast majority of traffic flying beyond ORD. Further, most major employers in the Chicago area are tied to AA or UA. Every person I know who has flown VS out of ORD to LHR has been traveling for leisure.

Second, as AA adds E175s at MIA, where are they coming from? I've noticed routes out of ORD that used to have Republic E175s. Now, they have Envoy CRJ700s or SkyWest CRJ700s.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 12/23/2016: AA MIA Reshuffle, MIA-SLC Gone;VS Out of ORD, 3M Big Cuba Cuts

Tue Dec 20, 2016 6:31 pm

phxtravelboy wrote:
And STILL no MIA-MKE on AA. SMH. That is a perfect E175 market yet they REFUSE to add it.

AA's service to MKE is just pathetic; I sometimes wonder why they even bother flying there as it's treated like an after thought.

AA has the large operation at DCA flying to all sorts of cities, yet no MKE. I think I read that AA flies nonstop to 47 of the top 50 O/D cities from DCA. Of course MKE is 1 of the 3.

ORD and PHL are still only 50 seat RJs.

CLT is only RJs from MKE.

DFW still gets the old, tired MD80s on 3 of the 4 flights.

Come on AA show MKE some love already!


Dear phxtravelboy,

85 miles.

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Re: OAG Changes 12/23/2016: AA MIA Reshuffle, MIA-SLC Gone;VS Out of ORD, 3M Big Cuba Cuts

Tue Dec 20, 2016 8:18 pm

85 Miles ... Indeed!

But still, that's 85 miles with a lot of hassle. I too am surprised at the lack of AA love in MKE.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 12/23/2016: AA MIA Reshuffle, MIA-SLC Gone;VS Out of ORD, 3M Big Cuba Cuts

Tue Dec 20, 2016 8:28 pm

phxtravelboy wrote:
Come on AA show MKE some love already!


MKE is one of the markets that seems like an obvious candidate for transition to entirely or near-entirely mainline and 2-class RJs over the next few years as more 2-class RJs are delivered. Similar to other fairly large midwest markets like IND, CVG, PIT, CLE, CMH, SDF, GRR, etc. - I could easily see MKE going that direction. Given how short the stage length is, MKE-ORD is likely to always be just 50-seat, but for the longer routes like PHL and CLT, CR7/CR9 seems obvious. MKE, LGA, MIA ... maybe.

ckfred wrote:
Second, as AA adds E175s at MIA, where are they coming from? I've noticed routes out of ORD that used to have Republic E175s. Now, they have Envoy CRJ700s or SkyWest CRJ700s.


AA is inducting a significant number of new 2-class RJs each month, and this is setting off a chain reaction of schedule/route adjustments all across the network as these aircraft are placed across AA's hubs and steadily replace 44/50-seat RJs.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 12/23/2016: AA MIA Reshuffle, MIA-SLC Gone;VS Out of ORD, 3M Big Cuba Cuts

Tue Dec 20, 2016 8:32 pm

Any word on MQ gaining back an MIA base? I was under the impression that YX is a candidate to have it's flying pulled. The BK stunt didn't impress AA.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 12/23/2016: AA MIA Reshuffle, MIA-SLC Gone;VS Out of ORD, 3M Big Cuba Cuts

Tue Dec 20, 2016 8:42 pm

Something else of note: AA currently has 134 wide body aircraft on the line. After 767/A330/A350/787 deliveries/retirements they will be down a net 20 to 114. Any ideas how they plan to deal with this? Seems like some orders are overdue.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 12/23/2016: AA MIA Reshuffle, MIA-SLC Gone;VS Out of ORD, 3M Big Cuba Cuts

Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:48 pm

Varsity1 wrote:
Any word on MQ gaining back an MIA base? I was under the impression that YX is a candidate to have it's flying pulled. The BK stunt didn't impress AA.


I don't think YX is in line to have its flying pulled from AA, a couple of factors: AA just gave YX "American Shuttle" flying in November. It is currently flying 175's for both American Eagle and American Eagle. YX flies 88 E75's for AA, of which 38 will be reconfigured to the current 76 seating config from current 80 seaters; the first 9 refurbished birds are back in service with AA next month. If AA were to want cut YX flying Delta or United would JUMP at those 88 E175's; just like AA, all 3 legacy love that airplane.

That said ORD and DFW will be exclusive MQ 175 bases. So the YX birds that were based in ORD have now been sent to MIA, PHL, DCA, LGA for more additonal and new flying.
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Re: OAG Changes 12/23/2016: AA MIA Reshuffle, MIA-SLC Gone;VS Out of ORD, 3M Big Cuba Cuts

Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:04 pm

globalcabotage wrote:
The rush to Cuba from US carriers shows why the industry turns billionaires into millionaires. Jump on the bandwagon without any thought. This is one of many reasons I will never buy stock in an airline. The CEOs seem to be all A-net alum with the "GRB-BKK will print money mentality."


Yes and no. To get market share and grab the pie pieces they either applied or someone else would. I agree there was definitely over eagerness on part of airlines. They for sure didn't seem to do the math on how much they would have to bleed to get these routes to establish.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 12/23/2016: AA MIA Reshuffle, MIA-SLC Gone;VS Out of ORD, 3M Big Cuba Cuts

Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:34 am

miaskies wrote:
Varsity1 wrote:
Any word on MQ gaining back an MIA base? I was under the impression that YX is a candidate to have it's flying pulled. The BK stunt didn't impress AA.


I don't think YX is in line to have its flying pulled from AA, a couple of factors: AA just gave YX "American Shuttle" flying in November. It is currently flying 175's for both American Eagle and American Eagle. YX flies 88 E75's for AA, of which 38 will be reconfigured to the current 76 seating config from current 80 seaters; the first 9 refurbished birds are back in service with AA next month. If AA were to want cut YX flying Delta or United would JUMP at those 88 E175's; just like AA, all 3 legacy love that airplane.

That said ORD and DFW will be exclusive MQ 175 bases. So the YX birds that were based in ORD have now been sent to MIA, PHL, DCA, LGA for more additonal and new flying.


Does YX own all 88 of the E175's? I was under the impression that AA owns them and leases them out.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 12/23/2016: AA MIA Reshuffle, MIA-SLC Gone;VS Out of ORD, 3M Big Cuba Cuts

Wed Dec 21, 2016 1:20 am

More Envoy E75s are heading to Chicago, meaning some YX birds can move to support the MIA operation.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 12/23/2016: AA MIA Reshuffle, MIA-SLC Gone;VS Out of ORD, 3M Big Cuba Cuts

Wed Dec 21, 2016 1:46 am

commavia wrote:
phxtravelboy wrote:
Come on AA show MKE some love already!


MKE is one of the markets that seems like an obvious candidate for transition to entirely or near-entirely mainline and 2-class RJs over the next few years as more 2-class RJs are delivered. Similar to other fairly large midwest markets like IND, CVG, PIT, CLE, CMH, SDF, GRR, etc. - I could easily see MKE going that direction. Given how short the stage length is, MKE-ORD is likely to always be just 50-seat, but for the longer routes like PHL and CLT, CR7/CR9 seems obvious. MKE, LGA, MIA ... maybe.

AA is inducting a significant number of new 2-class RJs each month, and this is setting off a chain reaction of schedule/route adjustments all across the network as these aircraft are placed across AA's hubs and steadily replace 44/50-seat RJs.


The other two markets I'm surprised to not see AA trying with E75s from MIA are BUF and PVD, which seem like they'd fit well.

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