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Interisland widebody flight: HA A330 HNL-KOA, KOA-HNL

Sat Dec 24, 2016 3:19 am

Aloha all,

For those of you who remember years ago when there was the novelty of flying interisland within Hawaii on a widebody jet, those days have returned at least through May 2017 if you are flying between HNL and KOA.

Several times a week, HA flies KOA-HND and the aircraft originates in HNL as HA551 and continues onto HND as HA851. The return flight is HA852 to KOA continuing onto HNL as HA552. These flights are flown with an Airbus 330 and would make for quite the change from the normal interisland HA B717.

Rumor has it that these aircraft might even be featuring the new interiors too (not that you need a lie-flat seat for a flight less than an hour, but that just kind of adds to the fun!).

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Re: Interisland widebody flight: HA A330 HNL-KOA, KOA-HNL

Sat Dec 24, 2016 4:11 am

Why not rotate them HNL-HND-KOA-HND-HNL and save the cycles?
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Re: Interisland widebody flight: HA A330 HNL-KOA, KOA-HNL

Sat Dec 24, 2016 4:40 am

belfordrocks wrote:
Why not rotate them HNL-HND-KOA-HND-HNL and save the cycles?


Lack of available slots at HND would be my guess. Perhaps running that schedule would create significant downtime as opposed to flying the flight inter island.
 
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Re: Interisland widebody flight: HA A330 HNL-KOA, KOA-HNL

Sat Dec 24, 2016 4:40 am

belfordrocks wrote:
Why not rotate them HNL-HND-KOA-HND-HNL and save the cycles?


Very good question, maybe one of local HA employees or those in the know can chime in, say HAL or HALFA for examples ...
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Re: Interisland widebody flight: HA A330 HNL-KOA, KOA-HNL

Sat Dec 24, 2016 8:28 am

belfordrocks wrote:
Why not rotate them HNL-HND-KOA-HND-HNL and save the cycles?


Schedule doesn't allow for rotating aircraft at HND. HA458 (HND-HNL) departs at 21:30. HA851 (KOA-HND) and HA855 (2nd HNL-HND when not flying KOA-HND) arrives at 22:05.
 
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Re: Interisland widebody flight: HA A330 HNL-KOA, KOA-HNL

Sat Dec 24, 2016 8:15 pm

FWIW in the summer there had been regularly scheduled 767 service between HNL-OGG-HNL and this last summer saw HNL-LIH-HNL. Both were apart of a/c routings that continued to the west coast. It also allowed a 717 to be freed up to add more frequency in certain markets.

This HNL-KOA-HNL on the 330 will likely stay put, as long as the KOA-HND is operating. From what I understand, there isn't sufficient catering in KOA, so the flight is catered in HNL. As mentioned above, the schedule doesn't allow for the suggested rotation. And at the moment, the flight is operated with the old configuration planes. Only NRT gets the dedicated lie flat seats to Japan. Eventually, since all planes will get the new configuration, KOA-HND will see them, but for now, it's the old recliners.
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Re: Interisland widebody flight: HA A330 HNL-KOA, KOA-HNL

Sat Dec 24, 2016 8:17 pm

belfordrocks wrote:
Why not rotate them HNL-HND-KOA-HND-HNL and save the cycles?


These aircraft usually fly fairly long flights. I don't think cycles are actually an issue.
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Re: Interisland widebody flight: HA A330 HNL-KOA, KOA-HNL

Wed Dec 28, 2016 5:48 am

belfordrocks wrote:
Why not rotate them HNL-HND-KOA-HND-HNL and save the cycles?

It's a combination of reasons stated above. The schedule out of KOA is for the evening slot into HND, so the departure needs to be around 5pm. The plane isn't allowed to sit long in HND so it turns and returns to the islands, arriving around noon. If HA wanted to route the plane HNL-HND-KOA-HND-HNL it would have to sit in KOA for five hours or more. By flying the plane HNL-KOA-HND-HNL (or the reverse) they not only reduce the unprofitable down time, but add lift to a busy route (HNL-KOA) right in the mid-day peak. The schedule works well for the airline, but is tough on the pilots who, after flying a redeye HND-KOA, have to disembark, go through customs with their bags, then reboard and prep & fly another leg to HNL.

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Re: Interisland widebody flight: HA A330 HNL-KOA, KOA-HNL

Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:47 pm

Just curious, why HND-KOA instead of HND-OGG, is the runway not long enough at OGG?
 
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Re: Interisland widebody flight: HA A330 HNL-KOA, KOA-HNL

Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:51 pm

If not HND-OGG-KOA-HND could work, if the time slots at HND would allow for that.
 
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Re: Interisland widebody flight: HA A330 HNL-KOA, KOA-HNL

Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:57 pm

afcjets, when HA was awarded the second slot to HND the airline said the departures would be split between KOA and HNL. The runway at OGG is too short for a direct flight to HND, and there has never been a customs facility there either. And a lot more Japanese tourists go to HNL and KOA than go to OGG. Maybe if the OGG runway is lengthened someday that may change. But for now KOA makes a lot more sense.

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