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BER opening postponed for the 4th time

Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:45 pm

I know it's a lame joke now...

German newspaper DIE ZEIT reports that the planned opening in 2017 is impossible, and now opening is planned for early 2018. For this, no reasons are given in the article.

In Germish: http://www.zeit.de/wirtschaft/2016-12/b ... verschoben


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Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:54 pm

English link :


Berlin airport opening delayed to 2018

The Brandenburg Willy Brandt Airport was originally set to open in 2011.

The opening of Berlin’s troubled new airport is to be postponed to spring 2018, marking the project’s latest delay, according to Germany’s Die Zeit.

The Berlin Brandenburg Willy Brandt Airport was originally set to open in 2011 but cost overruns and construction errors caused repeated delays.

Latest estimates have been for a late 2017 opening, but an airport spokesperson said an announcement would be made in January on the exact date.

Germany’s biggest carrier Lufthansa had described a winter 2017 start-up date for the terminal as “unsuitable,” instead suggesting that 2018 is more realistic.

http://www.politico.eu/article/berlin-a ... d-to-2018/
 
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Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:56 pm

Here is an article in English: https://global.handelsblatt.com/compani ... ime-668964

All German media is reporting the same now, opening not for the winter time table 2017/2018, but for the summer time table 2018. But even that is not sure, because this could slide into April to June 2018. Funny!

My country has the amazing ability to transform a 1st world country into a banana republic, a real fine shitehole nation. The banks are betraying everyone, the car manufacturers are lying about everything, major constructions can't be finished on time anymore... excellent. Now we just miss the Carribean climate and palm trees.
 
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Germans Vote to Include BER in BREXIT: "Here, You Take It!"
 
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Wed Dec 28, 2016 2:16 pm

CARST wrote:
Here is an article in English: https://global.handelsblatt.com/compani ... ime-668964

All German media is reporting the same now, opening not for the winter time table 2017/2018, but for the summer time table 2018. But even that is not sure, because this could slide into April to June 2018. Funny!

My country has the amazing ability to transform a 1st world country into a banana republic, a real fine shitehole nation. The banks are betraying everyone, the car manufacturers are lying about everything, major constructions can't be finished on time anymore... excellent. Now we just miss the Carribean climate and palm trees.


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Wed Dec 28, 2016 2:31 pm

This is pure political incompetence. The new Berlin Mayor should have abstained from taking the Position as he chief of the supervisory board. Running the state of Berlin is a full time Job that does not allow any side kicks.
They are still making every mistake they can, leaving out nothing. Closing down TXL should by now be seen as a hiuge mistake, not for the Mayor who sticks with the plan. By the time that terminal at SXF which they call BER is finally opened, it will be a 40 Million Pax p.a. Airport with a capacity of 25 Million. While BER should be the City Designator like LON and NYC, These Clowns have documented their incompetence with changing the 3 letter code. I haven't given up hope that sanity will finally prevail and TXL kept open and if it is only for GA and government flights. But I am not taking any bets on that.

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Wed Dec 28, 2016 2:54 pm

For anybody who needs an English-language summary of how the disaster unfolded: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features ... arrassment

And http://www.istderberschonfertig.de/ ("Is the BER already finished?") keeps track of what still needs to be done at the construction site, based on publicly known information.

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Wed Dec 28, 2016 3:00 pm

No surprise, in the end it is still under the control of the same competent people as before. Just wait for the opening day, it will be legendary.... (as a disaster)
 
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Has there been any progress or positive thing happening at BER this year?
 
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Wed Dec 28, 2016 3:06 pm

To be honest I start to think these delays are wanted, because in 2018 or 2019 they have to equip the surrounding of TXL with anti-noise measurements, which costs a huge ton of money. And these measurements are the main argument to close Tegel. But then they have to do it to have a working airport infrastructure for Berlin. And voila they keep TXL open, since otherwise they would have wasted a huge amount of money^^
 
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Re: BER opening postponed

Wed Dec 28, 2016 3:12 pm

OO-VEG wrote:
Has there been any progress or positive thing happening at BER this year?


Yes. As I just read on Wikipedia:

"3000 smoke detectors got missing. They got found afterwards."


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Wed Dec 28, 2016 3:13 pm

I am beginning to think that an opening date in 2021 is actually within reach! Then it will be a 10-year delay! Remarkable, a unique achievement in the Western Hemisphere!
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Wed Dec 28, 2016 3:26 pm

Germany is officially the laughing stock of the aviation industry, just because of the political incompetence to open BER on time, along with the subsequent delays. Hamburg finally got to open the Elbphilharmonie, and even that was delayed for years.

It's unfortunate, but German craftsmanship has become worthless these days, thanks to the politicians involved in the Elbphilharmonie in Hamburg, and BER in Berlin.
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Wed Dec 28, 2016 3:27 pm

Ugh....AB must be feeling the pain
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Wed Dec 28, 2016 3:27 pm

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I am beginning to think that an opening date in 2021 is actually within reach! Then it will be a 10-year delay! Remarkable, a unique achievement in the Western Hemisphere!

BER 787...
 
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Wed Dec 28, 2016 3:45 pm

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It's unfortunate, but German craftsmanship has become worthless these days, thanks to the politicians involved in the Elbphilharmonie in Hamburg, and BER in Berlin.


Oh, I'm not so sure about that. They do make wonderful cars, and have you seen the reconstruction of the Dresden Opera House? That's another fine example of recent work done in Germany - and that is a work of art restored to it's Weimar Republic glory after firebombs and general disuse and abandonment for 50 years.

This is more about political malfeasance, not incompetence, though incompetence may play a role. The malfeasance here is that somebody is turning this into a dramatic payday for certain contractors, who are getting paid for work that is either A) not being performed, B) performed, but incomplete, or C) completed, with major corners cut. We're seeing that throughout this entire project insofar as the Terminal building goes, the job, beyond the basic structure, was simply not completed - and parts and pieces put in place to make it superficially appear that the job was done. That's how it was allowed to get so close to actually opening before the current state of hibernation to try to remediate the issues.

There was a massive fraud perpetuated on the German tax payer, and those involved should face investigation and judgement. But as these are white collar criminals who rub arms at the same cocktail parties as the mayor and members of parliament, I wouldn't hold my breath for any substantial investigation at all.
 
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Re: BER opening postponed

Wed Dec 28, 2016 4:08 pm

kalvado wrote:
BER 787...


I thought about mentioning Boeing's 787 in that context. And you're right. Siren describes the problems quite well, I must say.

At BER, shitloads of projects were contracted out and then again parcelled out as sub-projects to other sub-contractors. For example, they built tunnels for electrical cables. But different companies managed to make bundles of cables, several feet thick, with a serious overheating and fire hazard. In other instances, cooling pipes were built, but nobody checked if they actually come with thermal insulation. Or company A builds the ventilation thingamagic, company B installs the electronic thingamagic which controls the ventilation, but nobody is tasked with testing how both things work together. Or, an emergency diesel power generator was installed to power the whole terminal, but it was only sufficient for a "circus tent", as somebody said.

There was no controller around to see how the work had been carried out. As I said, you could bill several thousands of non-existing work hours and still get the money. You just do your thing, make sure it would hold up to a superficial inspection, receive the cash and off you go.

In contrast, there is software which allows you to manage a very complex hierarchy of requirements. For example, when building a car: Somebody decides that the car must have four wheels, and all wheels must be of the same kind. Somebody else then can specify the kind of wheels, and somebody else the kind of tire, and so forth. But there's still somebody who must look at the things with his own eyes, and report problems back to the supervisors.


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Wed Dec 28, 2016 4:10 pm

"This is more about political malfeasance, not incompetence, though incompetence may play a role. The malfeasance here is that somebody is turning this into a dramatic payday for certain contractors, who are getting paid for work that is either A) not being performed, B) performed, but incomplete, or C) completed, with major corners cut. "

The issue I see is that the unbearably incompetent political side could well take down the industrial side as well.
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Wed Dec 28, 2016 4:17 pm

Wow,delayed again! The Chinese could build 100 new airports in the time it's taken to (not) build Berlin.
 
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Wed Dec 28, 2016 4:26 pm

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Wow,delayed again! The Chinese could build 100 new airports in the time it's taken to (not) build Berlin.


We could do this too. But we have these stupid things like safety regulations, occupational health regulations, engineering regulations, environmental regulations, working time regulations, pay regulations... and the delays are, by the most part, simply due to the enforcement of said regulations. If you said "Bollocks! To hell with them!", BER could have opened already. With all the shoddy and hazardous stuff hidden behind walls, floors and ducts.

Well, we had an airport terminal fire in DUS once, with 17 dead, and we don't need another one.


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Wed Dec 28, 2016 4:27 pm

At this point one would have to think that it would have been cheaper (and faster) to bulldoze the building to the foundation and simply start over.
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It's what you put into those bikinis and lederhosen that counts. Germany does a great job filling the lederhosen in my opinion.
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Wed Dec 28, 2016 4:47 pm

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peterinlisbon wrote:
Wow,delayed again! The Chinese could build 100 new airports in the time it's taken to (not) build Berlin.


We could do this too. But we have these stupid things like safety regulations, occupational health regulations, engineering regulations, environmental regulations, working time regulations, pay regulations... and the delays are, by the most part, simply due to the enforcement of said regulations. If you said "Bollocks! To hell with them!", BER could have opened already. With all the shoddy and hazardous stuff hidden behind walls, floors and ducts.

Well, we had an airport terminal fire in DUS once, with 17 dead, and we don't need another one.

David


So which is it: (a) the burdens of working in a highly regulated environment or (b) incompetent politicians handing contracts to hundreds of vendors with inadequate supervision?
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Wed Dec 28, 2016 4:53 pm

it is quite embarrassing, or not aceptable what is happening there is a shame for all the german industry

I worked with germans a lot and they are always like
IN germany this would be done better.

We se it on the construction on that airport...
 
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Re: BER opening postponed

Wed Dec 28, 2016 4:58 pm

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flyingturtle wrote:

We could do this too. But we have these stupid things like safety regulations, occupational health regulations, engineering regulations, environmental regulations, working time regulations, pay regulations... and the delays are, by the most part, simply due to the enforcement of said regulations. If you said "Bollocks! To hell with them!", BER could have opened already. With all the shoddy and hazardous stuff hidden behind walls, floors and ducts.

Well, we had an airport terminal fire in DUS once, with 17 dead, and we don't need another one.

David


So which is it: (a) the burdens of working in a highly regulated environment or (b) incompetent politicians handing contracts to hundreds of vendors with inadequate supervision?


(b), of course. Competent planners and supervisors are simply necessary when regulations are in place.


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Wed Dec 28, 2016 5:43 pm

I'm not being flippant when I ask this...but at what point would it make more sense to cut their losses, demolish the whole thing, and start over?
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Wed Dec 28, 2016 8:02 pm

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I'm not being flippant when I ask this...but at what point would it make more sense to cut their losses, demolish the whole thing, and start over?

Probably never. If they ever demolished the whole thing, then it's very unlikely that there would be the political/investment will to move forward.

At that point, they'd likely just fortify TXL and call it a day.
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Wed Dec 28, 2016 8:21 pm

Are you sure the guys building the BER airport are not the same construction companies and politicians that brought BOS the big dig? Good for them not so much the taxpayers/consumers.
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Wed Dec 28, 2016 9:08 pm

I thought the Germans had no humor, but I guess I am wrong. They are performing a world class slap stick with BER ;-)
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Wed Dec 28, 2016 9:16 pm

A former colleague and friend of mine is involved in this mess working for one of the main contractors. From what I understand from him, there had been a big concern that trains running through the underground tunnels might fuel any fire, but that this has been resolved (apparently plan b was never opening the station), allowing for the infamous extraction system to be replaced. However apparently that replacement pretty much requires gutting the main terminal's interior and there was concern that this process could uncover all kinds of other previously unknown issues...... All of that was explained in a bar (so I might have got some of it wrong), but it does leave me wondering if they've found other problems.
 
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Wed Dec 28, 2016 9:28 pm

"All of that was explained in a bar (so I might have got some of it wrong), but it does leave me wondering if they've found other problems."
Heaven forbid that they found out they had actually started building an airport...............
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Wed Dec 28, 2016 9:34 pm

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Has there been any progress or positive thing happening at BER this year?


Very little. But at least the criminal polititians managed to present an interim scapegoat.

Berlin airport employee jailed for taking huge bribe


https://www.thelocal.de/20161013/berlin ... huge-bribe
 
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Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:08 pm

[quote="LTU932"]Germany is officially the laughing stock of the aviation industry,


I think the decision making over a third runway at Heathrow is also a pretty strong contender for that accolade
 
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Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:12 pm

That happens when politicians decide that they can supervise such big project and parties get involved in the actual work. It is Berlin at it´s best. Come from the right area, be member of the right party, get the contract. It does not matter if you have no experience in the field. Nothing a ridiculously low bid or a fitting bribe could not fix. It starts when politicians want to do more with the money than built a new airport, when they want to support local business and keep out the nasty big co-operations. Would they have contracted Fraport, Munich airport, Hochtief or Bilfinger Berger to built them an airport to open at set date and to cost not more than sum X, it would have happened.
 
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Thu Dec 29, 2016 7:33 am

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the planned opening in 2017 is impossible, and now opening is planned for early 2018.

Exacactly this was said how often this year? 5-6 times? Every 2 month the same "news".
 
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Anyone want to start an a.net pool for when this airport might actually open?
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It's what you put into those bikinis and lederhosen that counts. Germany does a great job filling the lederhosen in my opinion.[/quote]

;-) Yeah boy... I LOVE how Germans manage to fill those Lederhosen so well! ;-)
 
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Germans Vote to Include BER in BREXIT: "Here, You Take It!"


This gets my vote for Best Post of 2016! :-)
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Anyone want to start an a.net pool for when this airport might actually open?

Maybe never. And if it opens, it should be renamed "Angela Merkel Airport" to remind people about her bringing chaos to Europe on a scale unseen before. To name it after Brandt is an insult.
 
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This is pure political incompetence. The new Berlin Mayor should have abstained from taking the Position as he chief of the supervisory board. Running the state of Berlin is a full time Job that does not allow any side kicks.


I think we are far behind this being just a problem for Berlin. Looking how four major building projects in Germany got messed up in the last years, we can come to the conclusion, whenever politicians are directly involved in these projects, they won't be finished on time and on budget.

1) The German highway toll system "toll collect" resulted in extra costs of 6.5 billion Euros (original estimated costs for the first 12 years: 1.25 billion Euro), mainly due to getting online too late and due to many things planned by the politicians instead of the contracted companies. Contract awarded September 2002, planned start date October 2003. Real start date January 2006. Cost-Multiplier: 4.8 / Time-Multiplier: 3.5

2) The costs of the Elbphilharmonica in Hamburg rose from under 200 million to something shy of 800 million Euro, the building was opens in January 2017 instead of 2010 (construction start April 2007). Cost-Multiplier: 4.0 / Time-Multiplier: 3.3

3) Stuttgart 21, a new main station for Stuttgart and lots of connecting railway tracks, was supposed to cost 787 million. Costs are now expected to rise to 10 billion Euro. Nearly 13 times the of original costs. The project is alreay 2.5 years late, but as the building works will go on up to 2021, there are many more years available to announce further delays. Construction start was February 2010. Cost-Multiplier: 12.7 / Time-Multiplier: 1.2

4) BER ... supposed to open in 2011, now it will be 2018 (???), original estimated costs at 770 million Euro, then 2.4 billion Euro, when they started the construction works in 2008 and the latest calculations assume costs north of 6 billion Euro. Cost-Multiplier: 7.8 / Time-Multiplier: 3.3

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They are still making every mistake they can, leaving out nothing. Closing down TXL should by now be seen as a hiuge mistake, not for the Mayor who sticks with the plan. By the time that terminal at SXF which they call BER is finally opened, it will be a 40 Million Pax p.a. Airport with a capacity of 25 Million. While BER should be the City Designator like LON and NYC, These Clowns have documented their incompetence with changing the 3 letter code. I haven't given up hope that sanity will finally prevail and TXL kept open and if it is only for GA and government flights. But I am not taking any bets on that.


You are right about this, TXL must stay. And currently the people Berlin are initiating a popular vote if TXL should stay. Many people have signed already for the vote to take place and it looks good so far. I assume enough people will sign to the vote to take place and then we can say for once, that this decision will not be in the hands of our politicians, but in the hands of the people of Berlin. Of course the people of East Berlin have no real interest in TXL (geographically and regarding any historically ties), so we will see how this vote will end. It's also quite stupid that only people from Berlin are allowed to vote, because both airports, TXL and SXF/BER are also the airports for Brandenburg (the German state surrounding Berlin). We will se...
 
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Thu Dec 29, 2016 10:04 am

http://www.der-postillon.com/2016/12/sp ... g-ber.html

Sorry, couldn't resist!
It's an article from the German satirical news site "Der Postillon".
The article talks about how the supervisory board decided that from now on it will be stated that the airport is due to open in this millenium to avoid further embarassment on missed opening dates. From the year 2900 on it will be stated that BER is definitely due to open in this aeon or definitely before the sun will forever be extinguished.
They have a good number of articles on BER and IMO they're hilarious.
 
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Re: BER opening postponed

Thu Dec 29, 2016 10:18 am

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peterinlisbon wrote:
Wow,delayed again! The Chinese could build 100 new airports in the time it's taken to (not) build Berlin.


We could do this too. But we have these stupid things like safety regulations, occupational health regulations, engineering regulations, environmental regulations, working time regulations, pay regulations... and the delays are, by the most part, simply due to the enforcement of said regulations. If you said "Bollocks! To hell with them!", BER could have opened already. With all the shoddy and hazardous stuff hidden behind walls, floors and ducts.

Well, we had an airport terminal fire in DUS once, with 17 dead, and we don't need another one.


David


The fact is the Germans could not do it. The Chinese build airports to their regulations. They might not be built to German regulations, but they at least do not wilfully ignore local regulations and plan to hire 1000's of students to sit next to doors in case a fire breaks out. Sorry, but the Germans showed a level a level of incompetence which is astounding and acted like a bunch of monkeys in a banana republic.

I am pretty sure the Chinese would have been able to build an airport to German regulations: they would just have chosen a much simpler design which meets these requirements...
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peterinlisbon wrote:
Wow,delayed again! The Chinese could build 100 new airports in the time it's taken to (not) build Berlin.


We could do this too. But we have these stupid things like safety regulations, occupational health regulations, engineering regulations, environmental regulations, working time regulations, pay regulations... and the delays are, by the most part, simply due to the enforcement of said regulations. If you said "Bollocks! To hell with them!", BER could have opened already. With all the shoddy and hazardous stuff hidden behind walls, floors and ducts.


Only the problems are manifest in execution and political will and not technical difficulties in fulfilling rules.
( the guy who did the first round of desmoking infrastructure wasn't even qualified to do the job!)
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Re: BER opening postponed for the 4th time

Thu Dec 29, 2016 3:52 pm

@ AngMoh - don't compare Germany with China. In China, and not only there (Count in the UAE, Turkey and many others) , infrastructuure Projects are built by decret. The government decides and there is no objection from anyone possible.

In Germany, and not only here, infrastructure projects have to undergo a democratic process that give individuals as well as NGO pressure Groups legal rights to object. The planning process can take 20 years and longer and the courts are completely Independent. The government has to make a case which is presented and it goes through all instances. For Airports roads and waterway the Supreme Administration Court in Leipzig is the final to decide and issue a ruling.

The least issue the court worries about are economics. Whether BER works or is too small is of no relevance to the court. There will be a crucial ruling in regards to the deepening of the River Elbe so that 20000 TEU box carriers can reach Hamburg fully laden. This is crucial for an Export Country and a quarter Million Jobs depend on that in Hamburg alone.

The government would need to.change the relevant laws, cut out may be one court instance, but for that they Need a majority and such a law would be challenged at the supreme court in Karsruhe as well. It is easy to say that China is quicker than Germany. As much as I oppose the Greens, I would not trade my citizens rights for the Chinese or Turkish System.

However, BER has gone through that procedure, they have a building permitt and the procedure was screwed up by the former Mayor Klaus Wowereit, whi thought in his arrogance that a General contractor would not be needed. The last 5 years go on his account and all the others who where involved in this brilliant F...up, which includes the de-commissioning of TXL once BER opens. The current state governments drive the case against the wall, they don't change the needs to the evidents the passenger statistics prove every months, instead they step on the accelerator.


@CARST - with the Elb Philharmonie Hamburg has a beautiful concert hall, unique in the wold, on top, they get Money back from selling stunning appartments and Leasing more space in that building to a Hotel chain. The building will be a magnet, drawing concert Events and People into the City. For the other issues see my text above
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Re: BER opening postponed for the 4th time

Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:26 pm

Honestly, the fact that Berlin will never have a single airport serving the city is sad. However, with Berlin Tegel over capacity and Berlin SXF passengers numbers growing out of control, Berlin Brandenburg will have a tough time handling all the traffic. What a disaster of a project.
 
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Re: BER opening postponed for the 4th time

Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:42 pm

Reminds me a bit of the debacle involved in opening Denver International Airport over a decade ago. DIA was delayed 3 to 4 times (total delay about a year) due to an automated baggage handling system that they never did get to work.

I fondly remember flying over DIA on my way to Stapleton in January. The Continental pilot got on the intercom and announced.that we were flying over DIA - which he then said stood for Due In April. Everyone thought that was pretty funny.,
 
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Re: BER opening postponed for the 4th time

Fri Dec 30, 2016 6:52 am

NichCage wrote:
Honestly, the fact that Berlin will never have a single airport serving the city is sad. However, with Berlin Tegel over capacity and Berlin SXF passengers numbers growing out of control, Berlin Brandenburg will have a tough time handling all the traffic. What a disaster of a project.



SXF and BER are the same Location. BER is actually a new terminal and a new runway. The runway is finished and could be used instantly but has to wait for the opening of the new terminal. As a stop gap they will Keep the old DDR terminal at SXF after the opening of the new terminal. But once the terminal is opened , SXF will vanish and BER will be the only Designator for both terminals That's what is Happening when amateurs try to play business
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Re: BER opening postponed for the 4th time

Fri Dec 30, 2016 7:10 am

I was getting worried that this might open in 2017. Luckily, the aviation gods came to the rescue and made sure that BER remains the dumpster fire it has always been!
 
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Re: BER opening postponed

Fri Dec 30, 2016 7:12 am

OO-VEG wrote:
Has there been any progress or positive thing happening at BER this year?


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Re: BER opening postponed for the 4th time

Fri Dec 30, 2016 7:21 am

Have Berlin officials ever toyed with the idea that their city maybe just doesn't need an airport after all? That kind of thinking would fit in well with the hipster/counter-culture vibe of the city. :P
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