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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2017

Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:20 am

RIP to all lost their lives. A Turkish ACT 747F crashed near Bishkek;
http://www.kokpit.aero/act-747f-crashed
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2017

Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:45 am

I'm not sure but it looks to me that TK has compared to others a lot of incidents and accidents.
Is there somewhere a list which compares the airlines regards to their incidents and accidents.
I know a few pilots and all of them tell me that they would never fly with TK for that reason and in their opinion the training and competence of them are not to what it should be.
Personally i fly on a monthly basis with TK and don't have really negative experience with them (as long that there are no disruptions that is)
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2017

Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:55 am

thaiflyer wrote:
I'm not sure but it looks to me that TK has compared to others a lot of incidents and accidents.
Is there somewhere a list which compares the airlines regards to their incidents and accidents.
I know a few pilots and all of them tell me that they would never fly with TK for that reason and in their opinion the training and competence of them are not to what it should be.
Personally i fly on a monthly basis with TK and don't have really negative experience with them (as long that there are no disruptions that is)


:confused: :confused:

The 747 was not flown by TK.

Its operated by company called ACT. Like many cargo charter airlines they fly for various clients, and in this case it was under lease to TK.
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2017

Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:14 am

LAXintl wrote:
thaiflyer wrote:
I'm not sure but it looks to me that TK has compared to others a lot of incidents and accidents.
Is there somewhere a list which compares the airlines regards to their incidents and accidents.
I know a few pilots and all of them tell me that they would never fly with TK for that reason and in their opinion the training and competence of them are not to what it should be.
Personally i fly on a monthly basis with TK and don't have really negative experience with them (as long that there are no disruptions that is)


:confused: :confused:

The 747 was not flown by TK.

Its operated by company called ACT. Like many cargo charter airlines they fly for various clients, and in this case it was under lease to TK.


Thanks for the clarification.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2017

Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:14 am

thaiflyer wrote:
Is there somewhere a list which compares the airlines regards to their incidents and accidents.


Well a list of accidents/incidents for quick reference is on Wiki :


Incidents and accidents

In its history, Turkish Airlines has suffered a total of 19 incidents and accidents of which 15 were fatal. The most remarkable occurred in 1974, when Turkish Airlines Flight 981 crashed shortly after takeoff from Orly Airport, France, claiming the lives of all 346 people on board. To date, it is the second-deadliest single-aircraft accident in the world.

On 17 February 1959, a Vickers Viscount Type 793, registration TC-SEV, operating a charter flight and carrying Turkish Prime Minister Adnan Menderes and a governmental delegation to London for signing the London-Zürich Agreements crashed in dense fog on approach to London Gatwick Airport. Nine of the sixteen passengers and five of the eight crew lost their lives. Adnan Menderes, who was sitting in the back part of the aircraft, survived the accident.[102]
On 23 September 1961, Turkish Airlines Flight 835, a Fokker F27-100 registered as TC-TAY, crashed at Karanlıktepe in Ankara Province on approach to Esenboğa Airport, Ankara. All of the 4 crew and 24 of the 25 passengers on board were killed.[103]
On 8 March 1962, a Fairchild F-27, registration TC-KOP, crashed into Taurus Mountains on approach to Adana Şakirpaşa Airport. All three crew and all eight passengers on board died.[104]
On 3 February 1964, a Douglas C-47, registered as TC-ETI, on a domestic cargo flight, flew into terrain whilst on approach to Esenboğa Airport, Ankara. All three crew members on board were killed.[105]
On 2 February 1969, a Vickers Viscount Type 794, registered as TC-SET, crashed on approach to Esenboğa Airport. There were no casualties.[106]
On 26 January 1974, Turkish Airlines Flight 301, a Fokker F28-1000 registered as TC-JAO, crashed shortly after takeoff from Izmir Cumaovası Airport due to atmospheric icing on the wings. The aircraft disintegrated and caught fire, killing 4 of the 5 crew and 62 of the 68 passengers on board.[107]
On 3 March 1974, Turkish Airlines Flight 981, a McDonnell Douglas DC-10 registered as TC-JAV, crashed into Ermenonville Forest, Fontaine-Chaalis, Oise, France due to explosive decompression, killing all 335 passengers and 11 crew on board. The main cause was a design fault on the cargo doors of McDonnell Douglas DC-10. Prior to the Tenerife airport disaster, it was the deadliest aviation disaster in the world.[108][109]
On 30 January 1975, Turkish Airlines Flight 345, a Fokker F28-1000 registration TC-JAP, crashed into the Sea of Marmara during final approach to Istanbul Yeşilköy Airport. All 4 crew and all 38 passengers on board the aircraft were killed.[110]
On 19 September 1976, a Boeing 727-200 registered as TC-JBH operating Turkish Airlines Flight 452 from Istanbul Yeşilköy Airport to Antalya Airport, struck high ground in Karatepe Mountains during an attempted landing in Isparta instead of Antalya by pilot error. All 154 people on board the aircraft perished in the accident.[111]
On 23 December 1979, a Fokker F28-1000, registration TC-JAT, on a flight from Samsun-Çarşamba Airport to Esenboğa Airport struck a hill in Kuyumcuköy village at Çubuk, Ankara, 32 km (20 mi) north-east of its destination airport in severe turbulence. Three of the four crew and 38 of the 41 passengers on board were killed.[112]
On 16 January 1983, Turkish Airlines Flight 158, a Boeing 727-200 registered as TC-JBR, landed about 50 m (160 ft) short of the runway at Esenboğa Airport in driving snow, broke up and caught fire. All of the 7 crew survived, however, of the 60 passengers on board, 47 were killed.[113]
On 29 December 1994, Turkish Airlines Flight 278, a Boeing 737-400 registration TC-JES, crashed during its final approach to Van Ferit Melen Airport in driving snow. Five of the seven crew and 52 of the 69 passengers died.[114]
On 7 April 1999, Turkish Airlines Flight 5904, a Boeing 737-400 registered as TC-JEP on a repositioning flight, crashed near Ceyhan, Adana shortly after taking off from Adana Şakirpaşa Airport. There were no passengers on board, but all six crew members perished in the accident.[115]
On 8 January 2003, Turkish Airlines Flight 634, an Avro RJ-100 registration TC-THG, crashed on approach to Diyarbakır Airport, Turkey. Of the 80 people on board, 75 were killed.[116]
On 3 October 2006, Turkish Airlines Flight 1476 en route from Tirana, Albania to İstanbul was hijacked by Turkish citizen Hakan Ekinci in Greek airspace. The hijacker surrendered after a forced landing in Brindisi, Italy.[117]
On 25 February 2009, Turkish Airlines Flight 1951, a Boeing 737-800 registered as TC-JGE carrying 128 passengers and a crew of 7, crashed during final approach to Amsterdam Airport Schiphol, Netherlands. It was determined that a faulty radar altimeter caused the aircraft to throttle the engines back to idle and that the crew subsequently failed to react properly which resulted in an unrecoverable stall and the subsequent crash. Of the 135 people on board, nine people, including the three pilots, were killed. Eighty-six more people were transported to local hospitals.[118][119][120][121]
On 3 March 2015, Turkish Airlines Flight 726 departed the runway on landing at Tribhuvan International Airport, Kathmandu, Nepal. The Airbus A330-300 operating the flight, TC-JOC, was severely damaged when its nose gear collapsed, causing damage to the fuselage and both wings. All 227 passengers and 11 crew members on board escaped uninjured.[122]
On 25 April 2015, Turkish Airlines Flight 1878, an Airbus A320-200 TC-JPE was severely damaged in a landing accident at Istanbul Atatürk Airport. All on board were successfully evacuated without any injuries reported.[123]
On 16 January 2017, Turkish Airlines Flight 6491, a Boeing 747-412F operated by ACT Airlines under wet lease under a Turkish Airlines flight number, crashed into a residential area upon attempting landing in Manas International Airport in Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan, killing all four crew members and at least 33 people on the ground.[124]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Airlines
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2017

Mon Jan 16, 2017 10:50 pm

AC suspended flights to Istanbul until March 1st as I have been notified today by AC that my flight to Turkey was cancelled next week and my return as well a couple days later...I was on premium economy in AC and now they gave me a Business Class return ticket from YVR to ESB with TK via YYZ and IST, can't complain I guess...
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2017

Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:06 pm

TK to the rescue, in lie flat Business. Can't complain. So, do we know the reason for the suspension?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2017

Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:13 am

TK787 wrote:
TK to the rescue, in lie flat Business. Can't complain. So, do we know the reason for the suspension?


They say for operational reasons but I do not know anything beyond that... AC operated even during the July 15th failed coup attempt so the only thing I can think of is not reaching sales targets and suspend for 7 weeks...If anyone knows more may be we can hear...

On another matter just saw that pax numbers for Turkish airports released for 2016, happy to see that ESB was the highest increase among major airports with annual 8% increase and exceeding 13 million pax per annum, I think quite a remarkable progress for an airport that had only 2,7 million pax 15 years ago, it has been adding another million pax almost every year and is now the 38th largest number of pax in Europe even in spite of all the negative events taking place in Turkey nowadays..ESB Airport passed Warsaw, Edinburgh, Nice, Berlin, Birmingham, Budapest for instance..It is likely that ESB will leave Saint Petersburg, London Luton, Geneva, Moscow Vnukovo behind in a year or two at the most..

To tell you the truth I do not have great expectations for 2017 but I hope things will be better for Turkey and the region, I can only hope at this point...
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2017

Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:51 pm

-Pegasus carried 24,140,000 pax in 2016 an increase of 8.1%. Load factor dropped .48% to 78.6%
-airporthaber.com reports that Nevsehir Kapadokya airport will be closed for 5 months 1May-30Sept.2017 for repairs. Strange timing!
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2017

Tue Jan 17, 2017 1:22 pm

OA260 wrote:
thaiflyer wrote:
Is there somewhere a list which compares the airlines regards to their incidents and accidents.


Well a list of accidents/incidents for quick reference is on Wiki :


Incidents and accidents

In its history, Turkish Airlines has suffered a total of 19 incidents and accidents of which 15 were fatal. The most remarkable occurred in 1974, when Turkish Airlines Flight 981 crashed shortly after takeoff from Orly Airport, France, claiming the lives of all 346 people on board. To date, it is the second-deadliest single-aircraft accident in the world.

On 17 February 1959, a Vickers Viscount Type 793, registration TC-SEV, operating a charter flight and carrying Turkish Prime Minister Adnan Menderes and a governmental delegation to London for signing the London-Zürich Agreements crashed in dense fog on approach to London Gatwick Airport. Nine of the sixteen passengers and five of the eight crew lost their lives. Adnan Menderes, who was sitting in the back part of the aircraft, survived the accident.[102]
On 23 September 1961, Turkish Airlines Flight 835, a Fokker F27-100 registered as TC-TAY, crashed at Karanlıktepe in Ankara Province on approach to Esenboğa Airport, Ankara. All of the 4 crew and 24 of the 25 passengers on board were killed.[103]
On 8 March 1962, a Fairchild F-27, registration TC-KOP, crashed into Taurus Mountains on approach to Adana Şakirpaşa Airport. All three crew and all eight passengers on board died.[104]
On 3 February 1964, a Douglas C-47, registered as TC-ETI, on a domestic cargo flight, flew into terrain whilst on approach to Esenboğa Airport, Ankara. All three crew members on board were killed.[105]
On 2 February 1969, a Vickers Viscount Type 794, registered as TC-SET, crashed on approach to Esenboğa Airport. There were no casualties.[106]
On 26 January 1974, Turkish Airlines Flight 301, a Fokker F28-1000 registered as TC-JAO, crashed shortly after takeoff from Izmir Cumaovası Airport due to atmospheric icing on the wings. The aircraft disintegrated and caught fire, killing 4 of the 5 crew and 62 of the 68 passengers on board.[107]
On 3 March 1974, Turkish Airlines Flight 981, a McDonnell Douglas DC-10 registered as TC-JAV, crashed into Ermenonville Forest, Fontaine-Chaalis, Oise, France due to explosive decompression, killing all 335 passengers and 11 crew on board. The main cause was a design fault on the cargo doors of McDonnell Douglas DC-10. Prior to the Tenerife airport disaster, it was the deadliest aviation disaster in the world.[108][109]
On 30 January 1975, Turkish Airlines Flight 345, a Fokker F28-1000 registration TC-JAP, crashed into the Sea of Marmara during final approach to Istanbul Yeşilköy Airport. All 4 crew and all 38 passengers on board the aircraft were killed.[110]
On 19 September 1976, a Boeing 727-200 registered as TC-JBH operating Turkish Airlines Flight 452 from Istanbul Yeşilköy Airport to Antalya Airport, struck high ground in Karatepe Mountains during an attempted landing in Isparta instead of Antalya by pilot error. All 154 people on board the aircraft perished in the accident.[111]
On 23 December 1979, a Fokker F28-1000, registration TC-JAT, on a flight from Samsun-Çarşamba Airport to Esenboğa Airport struck a hill in Kuyumcuköy village at Çubuk, Ankara, 32 km (20 mi) north-east of its destination airport in severe turbulence. Three of the four crew and 38 of the 41 passengers on board were killed.[112]
On 16 January 1983, Turkish Airlines Flight 158, a Boeing 727-200 registered as TC-JBR, landed about 50 m (160 ft) short of the runway at Esenboğa Airport in driving snow, broke up and caught fire. All of the 7 crew survived, however, of the 60 passengers on board, 47 were killed.[113]
On 29 December 1994, Turkish Airlines Flight 278, a Boeing 737-400 registration TC-JES, crashed during its final approach to Van Ferit Melen Airport in driving snow. Five of the seven crew and 52 of the 69 passengers died.[114]
On 7 April 1999, Turkish Airlines Flight 5904, a Boeing 737-400 registered as TC-JEP on a repositioning flight, crashed near Ceyhan, Adana shortly after taking off from Adana Şakirpaşa Airport. There were no passengers on board, but all six crew members perished in the accident.[115]
On 8 January 2003, Turkish Airlines Flight 634, an Avro RJ-100 registration TC-THG, crashed on approach to Diyarbakır Airport, Turkey. Of the 80 people on board, 75 were killed.[116]
On 3 October 2006, Turkish Airlines Flight 1476 en route from Tirana, Albania to İstanbul was hijacked by Turkish citizen Hakan Ekinci in Greek airspace. The hijacker surrendered after a forced landing in Brindisi, Italy.[117]
On 25 February 2009, Turkish Airlines Flight 1951, a Boeing 737-800 registered as TC-JGE carrying 128 passengers and a crew of 7, crashed during final approach to Amsterdam Airport Schiphol, Netherlands. It was determined that a faulty radar altimeter caused the aircraft to throttle the engines back to idle and that the crew subsequently failed to react properly which resulted in an unrecoverable stall and the subsequent crash. Of the 135 people on board, nine people, including the three pilots, were killed. Eighty-six more people were transported to local hospitals.[118][119][120][121]
On 3 March 2015, Turkish Airlines Flight 726 departed the runway on landing at Tribhuvan International Airport, Kathmandu, Nepal. The Airbus A330-300 operating the flight, TC-JOC, was severely damaged when its nose gear collapsed, causing damage to the fuselage and both wings. All 227 passengers and 11 crew members on board escaped uninjured.[122]
On 25 April 2015, Turkish Airlines Flight 1878, an Airbus A320-200 TC-JPE was severely damaged in a landing accident at Istanbul Atatürk Airport. All on board were successfully evacuated without any injuries reported.[123]
On 16 January 2017, Turkish Airlines Flight 6491, a Boeing 747-412F operated by ACT Airlines under wet lease under a Turkish Airlines flight number, crashed into a residential area upon attempting landing in Manas International Airport in Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan, killing all four crew members and at least 33 people on the ground.[124]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Airlines


There have been several other incidents not mentioned in that list, mostly during landing. This seems to be TK pilots' achilles heel, sadly.

Accident: THY B738 at Pristina on May 2nd 2016, runway excursion on landing
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http://avherald.com/h?article=497beb72&opt=0

Incident: THY A319 at Sochi on Sep 28th 2016, ATC prevented controlled flight into terrain
http://avherald.com/h?article=49efe109&opt=0

Incident: THY B738 at Nice on Aug 27th 2016, went through extended centerline and descended below safe height
http://avherald.com/h?article=49d41628&opt=0

Those incidents/accidents were in 2016 alone. Search Avherald for THY and you'll find plenty more.
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2017

Tue Jan 17, 2017 2:04 pm

Anyone knows how much longer the lone 737-700 is going to stick around at TK? Got to fly on one of them in 2015 (when there were still 3 of them) on IST-FDH which was cool for me because it's been my first and only flIght on a 73G so far but it's most likely (don't know if some of the older 738s are "on pair") the worst product throughout the entire fleet. Wouldn't it make more sense to get one of the 6 stored A319s (acc. to planespoters.net) back into service and park/sell the 73G instead?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2017

Wed Jan 18, 2017 2:36 am

Turkish Fleet News reports, these 5 x A319s will leave TK for Shaheen Air TC-JUD, TC-JLO, TC-JLP, TC-JLM, TC-JLN .
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2017

Wed Jan 18, 2017 1:49 pm

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Turkish Fleet News reports, these 5 x A319s will leave TK for Shaheen Air TC-JUD, TC-JLO, TC-JLP, TC-JLM, TC-JLN .


All of them had not been active for some months now. TC-JUA had already joined Shaheen. As the Pakistani operator will get seven AerCap A319s, it should be logical, that also TC-JUB (also inactive for some months now) will also go to Shaheen.

Let's see when, TK will retire the all A319s (six active right now).
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2017

Wed Jan 18, 2017 2:37 pm

Now these:
TK's A330-203 TC-JNG cn 504 and TC-JNF cn 463 to Eurowings
also A330-203 TC-JIL cn 882, A330-203 TC-JIM cn 901, A330-203 TC-JIN cn 932 to Jet Airways
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2017

Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:24 pm

TK787 wrote:
Now these:
TK's A330-203 TC-JNG cn 504 and TC-JNF cn 463 to Eurowings
also A330-203 TC-JIL cn 882, A330-203 TC-JIM cn 901, A330-203 TC-JIN cn 932 to Jet Airways

Is TC-JNF gone yet? TC-JNG is gone for sure. :worried:
Does anyone know how the personal TVs on TC-JMJ look like since it got refurbished? Is it like the old A321 (all A321 up to TC-JSN) or is it the one like the new A321 screen?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2017

Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:36 pm

Even with the recent unfortunate events in Turkey it appears the Turkish Culture and Tourism Office will have a booth at the upcoming Boston Globel Travel show. TK had a double booth last year for the event but nothing this year as of right now. http://www.bostonglobetravelshow.com/floorplan/
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Wed Jan 18, 2017 8:42 pm

Flying TK for the first time, SFO-IST-TLV and AMM-IST-SFO in J thanks to their dirt cheap fares. Have a few questions:

- Are the cabins still ridiculously hot?
- While I'm in J, my friend is in Y, and I'm no longer *G. Can I buy access for the TK lounge in IST?
- The TK websites (old and new) are flat out terrible and non-functional for certain things. Do I need to call in to update things like my passport info?
- I made the mistake of reading AV Herald and searching for THY. It seems like while TK is going through growing pains and there hasn't been a fatality in a while, it seems there are quite a bit of incidents and accidents that can be chalked up to pilot and maintenance issues. These are things I normally associate more with developing airlines like Lion Air, not a European full service carrier with a good Skytrax rating. I know the statistics are always in my favor, but should I be paying a little bit more to fly a carrier with a better safety record?
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Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:08 pm

PIA have taken up two 738 from PG, two more are to join, if short term lease they will operate in Pegasus livery.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2017

Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:10 pm

TK787 wrote:
Now these:
TK's A330-203 TC-JNG cn 504 and TC-JNF cn 463 to Eurowings
also A330-203 TC-JIL cn 882, A330-203 TC-JIM cn 901, A330-203 TC-JIN cn 932 to Jet Airways


Thanks for sharing.

Didn't take long before those aircraft found a new home.
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2017

Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:14 pm

bioyuki wrote:
Flying TK for the first time, SFO-IST-TLV and AMM-IST-SFO in J thanks to their dirt cheap fares. Have a few questions:

- Are the cabins still ridiculously hot?
- While I'm in J, my friend is in Y, and I'm no longer *G. Can I buy access for the TK lounge in IST?
- The TK websites (old and new) are flat out terrible and non-functional for certain things. Do I need to call in to update things like my passport info?
- I made the mistake of reading AV Herald and searching for THY. It seems like while TK is going through growing pains and there hasn't been a fatality in a while, it seems there are quite a bit of incidents and accidents that can be chalked up to pilot and maintenance issues. These are things I normally associate more with developing airlines like Lion Air, not a European full service carrier with a good Skytrax rating. I know the statistics are always in my favor, but should I be paying a little bit more to fly a carrier with a better safety record?


-Lately cabins have been kept at 24 C, and if you ask kindly they will lower the temp for your section.
-You can bring one other to the TK lounge at IST.
-You can update all your info during online checkin 24 hr. in advance
-TK with a fleet of 300+ aircraft, carrying 60M pax a year is a safe airline. I fly with them about 30 times a year. I wouldn't be worried. As they say, you should be more concerned about your travels to/fro to the airports. Bon Voyage.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2017

Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:48 pm

TK787 wrote:
-Lately cabins have been kept at 24 C, and if you ask kindly they will lower the temp for your section.
-You can bring one other to the TK lounge at IST.
-You can update all your info during online checkin 24 hr. in advance
-TK with a fleet of 300+ aircraft, carrying 60M pax a year is a safe airline. I fly with them about 30 times a year. I wouldn't be worried. As they say, you should be more concerned about your travels to/fro to the airports. Bon Voyage.


- 24C...yikes that's pretty warm in my book, but I guess I'll survive
- Where are you seeing that? The only thing I've been able to find is:
Who can use the Turkish Airlines Departure lounge?
Business Class travelers on international flights operated by Turkish Airlines,
Miles&Smiles Elite and Elite Plus members (they may invite their families or one guest),
Star Alliance Gold members (they may invite one guest),
First and Business Class travelers on flights operated by Star Alliance member airlines.
Turkish Corporate Club card owners.

No mention of paid access or guesting privileges for non-*G pax. If you're right and I can bring a friend in that'd be phenomenal.
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Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:12 am

Didn't take long before those aircraft found a new home.


Well, I must say that I'm happy that these frames are finally leaving the TK fleet and lessen the inconsistency inside the 332 fleet. However, I'm sceptical about the reliability of the actual source of information, the TR Fleet News. Lately they even closed their website and keep on providing info only via their facebook pages... :?:

The latest and somehow inside info I've received is a bit different: TC-JNG is still outbound to Eurowings but for some unknown reason this has been delayed since the last 6 months or so. Even the planespotters.net has marked this frame destined to Eurowings since long but this still didn't materialise. In fact, the said frame was marked for Eurowings but kept on flying for TK for two months (maybe longer) until it was finally grounded for cost cutting reasons.

Eurowings doesn't want to take the TC-JNF as this one's an older frame than the JNG: they want to take frames with MSN600 and newer... It will be hopefully returned to the lessor (GECAS), only.

As for the three Jet Airways frames: These were leased in 2014 for a 6-year period; but hopefully TK reached an agreement with them for earlier returns.

Let's wait and see for a while...
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Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:37 am

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TK with a fleet of 300+ aircraft, carrying 60M pax a year is a safe airline.


May other airlines have much larger fleets and carry many more pax, yet have far fewer incidents than TK. Your statement is a brush-off and doesn't address the fundamental issues regarding pilot/mx standards at TK.

They've been extremely lucky that none of the many recent incidents haven't resulted in passenger fatalities. I fear that it's just a matter of time until that luck runs out.

The thread below is from 2011, but I'm sure little has changed since then.

13 current and past foreign pilots of Turkish Airline speaks out about the very low profiessional level of turkish pilots in the airline.
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/4714 ... ikken.html

"It is a dangerous company. I have never in my time as a pilot sitting next to a mate who was incompetent and just let the stick because there was nothing he could not handle. But I have now, "says one pilot.

The paper has also had access to British ATC reports stating that Turkish Airline was the one with most level busts in UK Airspace

"One of the foreign pilots tell of a conversation he had with a Turkish-pilot on a flight. The first officer told that he wanted a job in an airline outside Turkey.

I replied that he first had to improve his English skills. He said that he had indeed passed the internal English test from the Turkish aviation authorities. Next day we had to fly out of a major European airport. It was snowing heavily and there were many delays. In such situations, the air traffic control is busy. There are spoken quickly over the radio and they say many things outside the standard. The co-pilot knew nothing of what was said, so I had to take over radio communication. "
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Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:34 pm

bioyuki wrote:
TK787 wrote:
-Lately cabins have been kept at 24 C, and if you ask kindly they will lower the temp for your section.
-You can bring one other to the TK lounge at IST.
-You can update all your info during online checkin 24 hr. in advance
-TK with a fleet of 300+ aircraft, carrying 60M pax a year is a safe airline. I fly with them about 30 times a year. I wouldn't be worried. As they say, you should be more concerned about your travels to/fro to the airports. Bon Voyage.


- 24C...yikes that's pretty warm in my book, but I guess I'll survive
- Where are you seeing that? The only thing I've been able to find is:
Who can use the Turkish Airlines Departure lounge?
Business Class travelers on international flights operated by Turkish Airlines,
Miles&Smiles Elite and Elite Plus members (they may invite their families or one guest),
Star Alliance Gold members (they may invite one guest),
First and Business Class travelers on flights operated by Star Alliance member airlines.
Turkish Corporate Club card owners.

No mention of paid access or guesting privileges for non-*G pax. If you're right and I can bring a friend in that'd be phenomenal.

I am sorry, my fault. Above rules are correct. I am not sure if this helps, but I remember some Turkish friends have some kind of a higher level credit card and could bring friends to the lounge. Also I would check again at SFO or IST if you can pay to get in. It might be possible if you insist. Good Luck.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2017

Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:36 pm

Yet so many foreign pilots working in TK. Maybe they need to share responsibility of these recent incidents.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2017

Thu Jan 19, 2017 1:10 pm

bgm wrote:
TK787 wrote:
TK with a fleet of 300+ aircraft, carrying 60M pax a year is a safe airline.


May other airlines have much larger fleets and carry many more pax, yet have far fewer incidents than TK. Your statement is a brush-off and doesn't address the fundamental issues regarding pilot/mx standards at TK.

They've been extremely lucky that none of the many recent incidents haven't resulted in passenger fatalities. I fear that it's just a matter of time until that luck runs out.

I would still consider TK a safe airline, just as I would consider AF a safe airline. I have friends flying at TK that I went to school with and to me they are solid pilots since I know what they had to go through to get there and they did it with engineering background. IIRC, TK has 10% foreign born pilots also. It is strange to fly to JFK and hearing an American pilot on the PA. About English skills, yes all that could be improved, just like any other non-English speaking airline.
Even Germanwings can have lapses in their phycological pilot examinations, or AF have an inexperienced pilot flying a A330 over the Atlantic; but I would still fly them tomorrow, aviation in general is very safe and no airline is perfect/lucky.
Statistically, one plane is lost in Europe for every seven million flights. As a European based and controlled airline TK is safe.
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2017

Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:31 pm

kokpit.aero reports that TK is shooting their latest TV campaign featuring Morgan Freeman in LA today and it will air during Superbowl 2017, Feb 5th. Wow, that is a lot of cash, hope the script is great.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2017

Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:38 pm

How soon before TK makes a decision on their next generation widebodies? Both the 779 and 787-9 787-10 or A359, A350-1000 would be good fits for TK. I am hoping to see a mix of both boeing and airbus aircraft ordered. Perhaps 789 and 787-10'S and A350-1000 for longer range routes with higher passenger demand.
 
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Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:48 pm

georgiabill wrote:
How soon before TK makes a decision on their next generation widebodies? Both the 779 and 787-9 787-10 or A359, A350-1000 would be good fits for TK. I am hoping to see a mix of both boeing and airbus aircraft ordered. Perhaps 789 and 787-10'S and A350-1000 for longer range routes with higher passenger demand.

I have a feeling it will have to wait for sometime during these rough political times. Just look at my username that I got 11 yrs ago :) But I totally agree with you, it will be a combination or at least I hope. 350 is the logical replacement for most types but I would love to see the 789 for long and thin routes like Latin America, Africa and one day... the prestige SYD route.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2017

Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:22 pm

afaik, 789 can never make IST-SYD on MTOW. The only viable candidate will be the a359ULR (currently enjoying a lone customer: SQ), or otherwise the forthcoming 778. But, it may be easier and at an earlier date to get the Airbus. Now Turkey (and therefore TK) has increased the weekly frequency to 7 flights to SYD (or possibly Australia). With 789 TK could have managed IST-PER, but nowhere onwards!... :?
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2017

Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:41 pm

mafaky,
again, thanks for correcting me. I mixed my nautical miles and statue miles. 787-900 can not make it nonstop IST-SYD.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2017

Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:03 pm

mafaky wrote:
Didn't take long before those aircraft found a new home.


Well, I must say that I'm happy that these frames are finally leaving the TK fleet and lessen the inconsistency inside the 332 fleet. However, I'm sceptical about the reliability of the actual source of information, the TR Fleet News. Lately they even closed their website and keep on providing info only via their facebook pages... :?:

The latest and somehow inside info I've received is a bit different: TC-JNG is still outbound to Eurowings but for some unknown reason this has been delayed since the last 6 months or so. Even the planespotters.net has marked this frame destined to Eurowings since long but this still didn't materialise. In fact, the said frame was marked for Eurowings but kept on flying for TK for two months (maybe longer) until it was finally grounded for cost cutting reasons.

Eurowings doesn't want to take the TC-JNF as this one's an older frame than the JNG: they want to take frames with MSN600 and newer... It will be hopefully returned to the lessor (GECAS), only.

As for the three Jet Airways frames: These were leased in 2014 for a 6-year period; but hopefully TK reached an agreement with them for earlier returns.

Let's wait and see for a while...


There is no delay for TC-JNG. It was planned in 2015 that this frame will leave in Q1/2017. New information is that TC-JNF could go to Eurowings too.

Newest TK fleet planning shows 1-2 B738, 6 A319 and 7 A320 leaving fleet. 2 A332 too. However about the 3 ex Jet Airways frames was decided recently, so 5 A332 leaves.

Entries this year: 3 B77W, 2 A321, 6 A333.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2017

Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:08 pm

Btw Freebird has leased 3 A320 to Vietjet in Vietnam. And it seems that Pegasus wins evaluation of PIA; they ferried 2 B738 to Karachi, 2 more follows. And TC-OBO of Onur Air left fleet.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2017

Sat Jan 21, 2017 5:56 pm

Two former ex-Skymark A333s at ZRH, in full TK livery (MSN 1651 and 1491):

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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2017

Sat Jan 21, 2017 8:43 pm

:bigthumbsup: Red engines

Will be easier to spot now. I often mistake TK and LX planes with so much white and red tails.
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2017

Sat Jan 21, 2017 9:08 pm

Spotting is the best thing to do with TK right now.... :( Writing from the Business Class lounge at IST, just arrived from ARN, and the utter rudeness of TK ground staff never stops to amaze me. The station manager this afternoon at ARN seems to have had a bad day (then again, they almost always do, it seems), screaming and insulting passengers, including Business Class passengers, first at the check-in counter, then again at the gate, in quite broken Swedish, with phrases that seem to be literal translations fromTurkish (I assume...I speak no Turkish). If one would like to give him the benefit of the doubt, one could say it's a cultural/linguistic issue, but I know better. This behaviour is not and should not be tolerated in Turkey either (at least not outside of the grounds of IST, where attitudes like this, and worse, abound among TK ground staff, unfortunately). I travel intercontinental monthly on TK in Business Class, but I am sorry to say that this is the last time. After the return leg of this trip, TK can kiss my a** goodbye for good. Sure, I will spend a bit more, but other airlines do not humiliate me nor take me for an idiot while I give my dollars to them.

By the way, the CIP lounge at IST is getting ridiculously crowded. Even a place to sit is hard to come by. A locker for your hand luggage requires a lot of luck. Many don't work. Want to take a shower? Better have a long connection then....I was just told there is a 5-hour wait....
Bye bye TK...good riddance!!
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2017

Sun Jan 22, 2017 3:05 pm

mercure1 wrote:
:bigthumbsup: Red engines

Will be easier to spot now. I often mistake TK and LX planes with so much white and red tails.


I don't think the engines are red, it looks more like a cover to me.

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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2017

Sun Jan 22, 2017 3:11 pm

MalevTU134, sorry for your experiences, hope you find better service with other airlines.
About the CIP lounge, I actually think it has been very empty the last few times I was there. It could be that, the time of the day with all transit flights making the place crowded. I think looking forward, it will be more under control since TK is giving less status miles for flying and hopefully in another 3-4 years it will be moved to the new airport and IIRC the new lounge there will be 4x the size of the current one.
By the way, my expectations are always low at the lounge. I always go to the downstairs lounge, since it might be cooler in temperature. I never trust the lockers, so don't use them, never ask for a shower or a hotel room, since I know that there will be lines. I just sit down, use the internet, fix myself a cocktail, listen to my music.
Also it is not that bad, when you compare it to let's say the UA lounges in the US.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2017

Sun Jan 22, 2017 5:20 pm

News that former TK chairman Hamdi Topcu is serving as an "advisor" to SBK Holding in their purchase Borajet.
Lets see if he mysteriously turns out to be the new CEO or something.
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Sun Jan 22, 2017 5:30 pm

TK787 wrote:
About the CIP lounge, I actually think it has been very empty the last few times I was there. It could be that, the time of the day with all transit flights making the place crowded.


It certainly can make a difference on day ,season,time. I have been there when its like a zoo and during IRROPS. 4 weeks ago it was midweek around 1900 and it was pleasant and not full at all. This really does make the experience make or break. The lockers I can relate too they are often full or broken but last time there were quite a few free and working. I do like that facility and generally trust them once locked. I usually put shopping/duty free bags in them and never my bag with money/passport/tickets etc.. I do have to say that despite its flaws I enjoy the TK lounge and I have been in lots of lounges over the years all over the globe.

The ground staff I have said for years are the weakest link in the TK product and they do not seem to be able to fix it or maybe dont care. When there are issues with Premium passengers there really needs to be a team of supervisors with plenty of experience of dealing with international passengers and have an excellent command of English with a can do attitude rather then a civil servant one. Attitude often annoys passengers with issues more then the issue itself. It is a situation TK could easily avoid with the right people employed to handle them.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2017

Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:10 pm

LAXintl wrote:
News that former TK chairman Hamdi Topcu is serving as an "advisor" to SBK Holding in their purchase Borajet.
Lets see if he mysteriously turns out to be the new CEO or something.


There are two cases I have heard about this Turco Aviation Genius:

1) When he was first informed privately that he is going to be appointed to THY, he found a way to see Tayyip Erdoğan (in those days, the PM) and literally begged him to be "excused". The then-PM was shocked and asked the reason why. This chap told him: "Well, Sir. I have my business, my family, my everything in Istanbul. Timewise and for social reasons I cannot come to Ankara and take office here!..." It's still a mystery why he was still appointed, despite his ignorance... :evil:
2) On the following years, he got frustrated when someone (possibly a bit intimate with him...) asked him the question: "You knew nothing about aviation; how come you were appointed to this post?" The harsh but "intelligent" answer followed: "It takes you 4 (four) years to get a University Degree Diploma. Why shouldn't I become an aviation expert after 6 years?"

I am now highly skeptical about the future of BoraJet. :stirthepot: :tombstone:

Also, for those of you who can follow in Turkish; pls. see:

http://www.airlinehaber.com/borajet-bugaraja-girdi/
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2017

Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:50 pm

It appears TK is cutting back its MIA service to 5x weekly now. It will only go back to daily in peak summer months. Does anyone know if other US cities are facing similar cutbacks?
 
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Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:34 pm

miaintl wrote:
It appears TK is cutting back its MIA service to 5x weekly now. It will only go back to daily in peak summer months. Does anyone know if other US cities are facing similar cutbacks?

AFAIK, this was planned. For 2017 TK announced that all American routes will stay the same similar to Europe, small growth expected all other regions.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2017

Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:38 pm

Also, it is unusual to see Akbank and a TK Business Class 1/4 page ads, both on the front page of the NY Times this morning.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2017

Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:38 pm

MalevTU134 wrote:
By the way, the CIP lounge at IST is getting ridiculously crowded. Even a place to sit is hard to come by.


Same experience here. I was there last saturday (evening) and it was quite crowded. Had to look around to find a free seat and there were queus to get food/meze. Aside from that: nice lounge & great meze!
Also, this remark goes for all lounges around the world: some are quite nice but once they are full, there's little reason to get into them. Last weekend I even had to queu 10 minutes in AMS Aspire lounge in order to be able to get to the loo.

As for the flying chefs, which were up for discussion a few weeks ago, there was none on my AMS - IST flight (load 8/16 in J, service good but nothing special) but there was one present on the IST - BKK (load 30/30 in J, much better service) leg.
 
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Mon Jan 23, 2017 4:39 pm

Flanders wrote:
Same experience here. I was there last saturday (evening) and it was quite crowded. Had to look around to find a free seat and there were queus to get food/meze. Aside from that: nice lounge & great meze!
Also, this remark goes for all lounges around the world: some are quite nice but once they are full, there's little reason to get into them. Last weekend I even had to queu 10 minutes in AMS Aspire lounge in order to be able to get to the loo.

As for the flying chefs, which were up for discussion a few weeks ago, there was none on my AMS - IST flight (load 8/16 in J, service good but nothing special) but there was one present on the IST - BKK (load 30/30 in J, much better service) leg.


1) Well obviously the TK Fleet (particularly the wide body/long haul fleet) has expanded more rapidly than the Business Class Lounge in Istanbul, which practically seems to have no more room for any expansions. J Class passengers have to be a little bit more patient until operations resume at the New 3rd Airport... We should also be a bit thankful that not too many Star Alliance carriers are flying to Istanbul, and afaik the only carrier using wide bodies is SQ.
2) The "Flying Chef"s were removed in most European routes, especially in the narrow body flights. The wide body long haul flights still carry them, but mostly with only a sole Flying Chef. However, what plane were you flying for IST-BKK? It should normally be a 333, but those have only 28J Seats, not 30!...
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2017

Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:27 pm

mafaky wrote:
Flanders wrote:

1) Well obviously the TK Fleet (particularly the wide body/long haul fleet) has expanded more rapidly than the Business Class Lounge in Istanbul, which practically seems to have no more room for any expansions. J Class passengers have to be a little bit more patient until operations resume at the New 3rd Airport... We should also be a bit thankful that not too many Star Alliance carriers are flying to Istanbul, and afaik the only carrier using wide bodies is SQ.


Weren't BR and/or OZ also flying to IST?
 
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Mon Jan 23, 2017 8:50 pm

Weren't BR and/or OZ also flying to IST?


Sorry I did forget about OZ. As for BR, they started during spring 2016 and quit after a couple of months... :( They are now code-sharing with TK.
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2017

Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:43 pm

Only other star carriers in IST are: LH, LO, MS, A3 and as mentioned OZ. BR, AC and LX withdrew their services recently; UA, OS, OU and JP long time ago. The lack of other star carriers is probably (and mostly) driven by the destination mix of TK.


Actually, the reduction of the flying chefs from most of the routes resulted in very unorthodox and off-beat technics of laying off the people. A few days prior new years eve, they have been called by phone, received the message of their layoff and the request to report to HQ in order to sign the papers. Many lawsuits are running now against it.
you serve the most destinations in the world, but operate like in a third world country and treat your people like ..... (you get the point)
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2017

Tue Jan 24, 2017 7:42 am

what plane were you flying for IST-BKK? It should normally be a 333, but those have only 28J Seats, not 30!...


Mafaky, you are right! It was A333 and I miscounted: it has only 28 J seats indeed! Whats even better: they all worked! A TK technician was working on one when we boarded though.

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