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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Tue Feb 28, 2017 2:05 pm

If UA doesn't want to do the CMH-SFO run, it would seem to be a good opportunity for the new AS/VX to come on in and start it...along with a daily CMH-SEA. Heck, I would think they'd be able to start a few runs and make a profitable to go at it here.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Tue Feb 28, 2017 3:32 pm

flyCMH wrote:
Well, once again, SFO-CMH is passed up for nonstop service. Even the Dispatch took note (though SFO isn't specifically mentioned)!

http://www.dispatch.com/business/201702 ... sion-plans

I'm beginning to think either UA has something against me (I've been preaching for this service for over 10 years now!) or there is some kind of no-compete clause with WN on the CMH-OAK route!

Well, yeah, you can't pretend like CMH-OAK operates in a vacuum. Why on earth would United want to launch CMH-SFO when the city and county would be subsidizing their competition via revenue guarantees. Columbus got in bed hard with WN to get their nonstop to the Bay Area and it shouldn't be surprising other airlines aren't anxious to go head-to-head with a competitor who's been guaranteed to make a profit.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Tue Feb 28, 2017 8:16 pm

CMHMarc787 wrote:
If UA doesn't want to do the CMH-SFO run, it would seem to be a good opportunity for the new AS/VX to come on in and start it...along with a daily CMH-SEA. Heck, I would think they'd be able to start a few runs and make a profitable to go at it here.


Seconded that. I think central Ohioans would take to their product quite well, especially if it adds some new unserved cities to the map.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:03 pm

Frustrating to see, but not surprising from UA. Come on down, AS/VX. I feel like CMH's developing young, hip image could mesh well with what VX has always wanted to be.

In better news, G4 announces DAY-MYR beginning May 24th. Seasonal. For an airport which has lost F9 and WN lately, it's good to see one in the plus column.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Wed Mar 01, 2017 1:31 am

DeltaRules wrote:
Frustrating to see, but not surprising from UA. Come on down, AS/VX. I feel like CMH's developing young, hip image could mesh well with what VX has always wanted to be.

As long as the city and county are subsidizing WN's service on the route, I doubt you'll see AS/VX service to SFO either.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Wed Mar 01, 2017 1:34 am

flyguy89 wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
Frustrating to see, but not surprising from UA. Come on down, AS/VX. I feel like CMH's developing young, hip image could mesh well with what VX has always wanted to be.

As long as the city and county are subsidizing WN's service on the route, I doubt you'll see AS/VX service to SFO either.


I know I have said this before, but I think F9 is CMH's best chance for a SFO route. With UA operating SFO-CLE/DTW/CVG/IND/PIT, they have CMH "surrounded", I am not sure AS/VX would go for CMH-SFO unless they had CMH-SEA going first, but that is a very seasonal market that is probably not high on their list of priorities with their almost non-existant midwest network and difficulties that will occur during the merging process.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Wed Mar 01, 2017 4:25 am

flyguy89 wrote:
flyCMH wrote:
Well, once again, SFO-CMH is passed up for nonstop service. Even the Dispatch took note (though SFO isn't specifically mentioned)!

http://www.dispatch.com/business/201702 ... sion-plans

I'm beginning to think either UA has something against me (I've been preaching for this service for over 10 years now!) or there is some kind of no-compete clause with WN on the CMH-OAK route!

Well, yeah, you can't pretend like CMH-OAK operates in a vacuum. Why on earth would United want to launch CMH-SFO when the city and county would be subsidizing their competition via revenue guarantees. Columbus got in bed hard with WN to get their nonstop to the Bay Area and it shouldn't be surprising other airlines aren't anxious to go head-to-head with a competitor who's been guaranteed to make a profit.


I recall that the revenue guarantees were offered to anyone willing to start service from CMH to the Bay Area. UA declined and WN bit. Of course, the industry was still coming off of multiple mergers and the Recession, so too the climate for the route was different at the time. I do think the CRAA should have held out for UA since, in my opinion, their service would be more beneficial to both markets as a whole. However hindsight is 20/20 and the fact that someone was willing to start the service in the first place was all the impetus needed to grant the guarantees to the operator. I do wonder if when the guarantee expires that UA would start CMH-SFO service, even with WN continuing to operate to OAK.

On a more upbeat note, CMH experienced the second busiest January on the books this year:

http://www.dispatch.com/news/20170228/j ... -this-year

Some new service announcements or continued aircraft upgauges will be needed to keep the momentum going. Interestingly enough, LCK posted 6.5% drop in January passenger traffic when compared to the previous year. Not quite sure if that was because there were fewer bowl charters compared to the previous year, fewer G4 flights scheduled compared to last year, fewer seats filled, or a combination of all.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Wed Mar 01, 2017 7:01 am

flyCMH wrote:
flyguy89 wrote:
flyCMH wrote:
Well, once again, SFO-CMH is passed up for nonstop service. Even the Dispatch took note (though SFO isn't specifically mentioned)!

http://www.dispatch.com/business/201702 ... sion-plans

I'm beginning to think either UA has something against me (I've been preaching for this service for over 10 years now!) or there is some kind of no-compete clause with WN on the CMH-OAK route!

Well, yeah, you can't pretend like CMH-OAK operates in a vacuum. Why on earth would United want to launch CMH-SFO when the city and county would be subsidizing their competition via revenue guarantees. Columbus got in bed hard with WN to get their nonstop to the Bay Area and it shouldn't be surprising other airlines aren't anxious to go head-to-head with a competitor who's been guaranteed to make a profit.


I recall that the revenue guarantees were offered to anyone willing to start service from CMH to the Bay Area. UA declined and WN bit. Of course, the industry was still coming off of multiple mergers and the Recession, so too the climate for the route was different at the time. I do think the CRAA should have held out for UA since, in my opinion, their service would be more beneficial to both markets as a whole. However hindsight is 20/20 and the fact that someone was willing to start the service in the first place was all the impetus needed to grant the guarantees to the operator. I do wonder if when the guarantee expires that UA would start CMH-SFO service, even with WN continuing to operate to OAK.

On a more upbeat note, CMH experienced the second busiest January on the books this year:

http://www.dispatch.com/news/20170228/j ... -this-year

Some new service announcements or continued aircraft upgauges will be needed to keep the momentum going. Interestingly enough, LCK posted 6.5% drop in January passenger traffic when compared to the previous year. Not quite sure if that was because there were fewer bowl charters compared to the previous year, fewer G4 flights scheduled compared to last year, fewer seats filled, or a combination of all.

The revenue guarantee ends sometime this year however, no? Once that happens, if any of the others (F9, UA, AS/VX) are interested in taking on WN, I expect that's when you may see some movement. I just don't think anyone should waste their breath getting frustrated that UA isn't adding SFO given the current arrangement with WN.

I agree with you that UA would have been the better choice for a Bay Area connection for CMH's purposes (a link with Silicon Valley and international connections), but I suppose if WN was the only one to come to the table they really didn't have a choice.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Wed Mar 01, 2017 4:44 pm

flyguy89 wrote:
flyCMH wrote:
flyguy89 wrote:
I agree with you that UA would have been the better choice for a Bay Area connection for CMH's purposes (a link with Silicon Valley and international connections), but I suppose if WN was the only one to come to the table they really didn't have a choice.


Oakland has its virtues. The last time I flew into SFO, it took me three and a half hours from exiting the plane to getting a rental car onto the Bay Bridge. OAK may in fact represent a quicker way to many parts of South Bay and other parts of the area north of the GG. You'll miss the int'l connections, true; but they are available at other hubs.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Sat Mar 04, 2017 6:18 am

United's CVG-SFO service has been upgauged to an A320 from an A319 for weekday flights. The weekend flights will remain A319's. I know it's not much but I like seeing bigger planes.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Sat Mar 04, 2017 9:06 pm

Anyone know where Arnold flies into for the Arnold classic?
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Sat Mar 04, 2017 9:16 pm

AirportRival wrote:
United's CVG-SFO service has been upgauged to an A320 from an A319 for weekday flights. The weekend flights will remain A319's. I know it's not much but I like seeing bigger planes.


I know some users had speculated that the route would never launch, but this proves otherwise.

CVG-SFO summer schedule:

Delta: Daily 737-900ER (It returns!!!)
Frontier: Daily A320
United: Daily A320 (A319 Weekends)

LAX and SFO should push into top 10 routes from CVG within the next few months. LAS is already in the top 10 with 3 daily flights.

We need to get AA, WN, or DL to start CVG-PHX again, or get F9 on 2x/day. Our PHX service is quite pathetic compared to airports like CMH/IND, though it was not too long ago that we only had a Spring seasonal flight on DL.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:29 am

Buckeyetech wrote:
Anyone know where Arnold flies into for the Arnold classic?


He was a user of NetJets' BBJs when they had them.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Thu Mar 09, 2017 12:07 am

I am hearing that CVG will surpass Leipzig/Halle to become DHL's largest hub as a result of the recent expansions and daytime operations beginning this April/May, increasing staff to 3,300 workers. They now have 65 cargo parking places with 60 daily flights (soon to be 70-80), most of which are on 767/777/747 aircraft. In comparison, Leipzig/Halle currently has 65 DHL flights a day. There are some rumors that DHL may be reentering the Domestic U.S. market in conjunction with Amazon, it should be interesting to see how this plays out. (Not sure if they will just be operating domestic flights for Amazon or actually transporting DHL cargo domestically).
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Thu Mar 09, 2017 2:30 am

Another interesting thing about DHL was said at the Business Courier Transportation Forum today. The tweet is below.

Check out @CincyChamber's Tweet: https://twitter.com/CincyChamber/status ... 24704?s=09

Apparently 92% of DHL America's cargo originates out of CVG.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Thu Mar 09, 2017 5:00 pm

Allegiant is adding CVG-DEN starting June 2 with a 3x/week frequency. I am very surprised by this route! Now there will be 4 carriers on CVG-DEN, possibly trying to keep WN from entering the market? F9 will not like this either.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Thu Mar 09, 2017 5:18 pm

Is there a source or are you seeing it as bookable online?
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Thu Mar 09, 2017 5:20 pm

AirportRival wrote:
Is there a source or are you seeing it as bookable online?


No secondary source yet, I got an email form Allegiant about the add and it's loaded on their booking engine and route map. It's not been loaded into Google Flights nor has a press event/announcement occurred at CVG. CVG has not annocuned anything on their Twitter page either.

Also, this add pushes CVG to #5 largest city in G4's network by weekly departures, just surpassing LAX. Only SFB, LAS, PIE, and AZA are larger!
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Sat Mar 11, 2017 2:05 am

Delta has unblocked archiving bots from its website, so historical timetables are now visible! I found digital timetables for every 1-3 months from Jan 2002 until the present year. It's really cool seeing how CVG has changed, even in the past few years. One thing I noticed, DL operated a 757 regularly on CVG-SFO in 2014, I am not sure how I did not remember that!
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Sat Mar 11, 2017 5:55 pm

Maybe next Frontier will add Columbus to Minneapolis. Also Im hoping Columbus is going to hear a major air service announcement soon, CMH can be a huge gateway for the world if people saw it that way.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Sun Mar 12, 2017 7:10 pm

United increases at CVG:
- Some irregular mainline CVG-EWR frequencies have been loaded starting March 13 and lasting until mid April, hopefully we see more mainline on this route!
- CVG-IAH will add a 5th daily flight starting September 6, 2017
- The mainline CVG-ORD flight is being upgraded from an A319 to a B737-700 on July 1, 2017
- Previously reported, CVG-SFO will be upgauged to an A320 this summer

There are lots of overlaps on United's routes at CVG now:
CVG-DEN: DL/UA/G4/F9
CVG-SFO: DL/UA/F9
CVG-IAH: DL/UA/F9
CVG-EWR: DL/UA/G4 (Counting LGA, Add F9/AA, Plus UE on LUK-MMU)
CVG-ORD (MDW): DL/UA/AA/WN (Plus UE on LUK-MDW)
CVG-IAD (DCA): DL/UA/AA (Counting BWI, Add G4/WN)
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Sun Mar 12, 2017 7:35 pm

F9 has been announcing new routes the past few days for June/July, I am hoping we see some adds at CMH and CVG. COS/IAD just got a bunch of routes for this period, so I think more announcements should come this week. They have a bunch of planes coming in this year, so they have room to grow. They have 57 A320neo's coming and 4 more A321's.

fsafsx wrote:
Maybe next Frontier will add Columbus to Minneapolis.

I think will see some new routes for this summer, but I am not sure it will be MSP just yet. They will probably wait to see how CVG/CLE-MSP works out. For CMH, I think the most likely routes would be CMH-SFO/PHX, I could also see some shorter routes like CMH-ATL/LGA, or possibly reinstating CMH-PHL. Stretches would be CMH-TPA/IAH/LAX/SAN.

For CVG, I think CVG-SEA/PDX make the most sense, plus I would like to see CVG-SAN increased in frequency. In addition, other rumored routes have been CVG-SLC/AUS/IAD/RDU/CLT. Some stretches I was thinking about include CVG-MSY/JAX/SAT. For CVG, Frontier usually announces routes on Wednesday, so I am hopeful we could see 3-4 of these routes actually announced!
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:18 pm

Congrats, CMH!

John Glenn airport ‘most improved’ in North America

After an $80 million terminal renovation and its renaming after the late Ohio astronaut John Glenn, Columbus' main airport has gotten a thumbs-up from travelers.

John Glenn Columbus International has been named most improved airport in North America for 2016 from trade organization Airports Council International. The award was based on surveys administered to airport visitors last year.

The award is part of the group's annual Airport Service Quality award program, recognizing airports with high customer satisfaction. Indianapolis International, Jacksonville (Florida) International and Toronto's Billy Bishop airport tied for first place overall in North America for 2016.

http://www.dispatch.com/news/20170308/j ... th-america
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:32 pm

I think it is only a matter of time before b6 and AS/VX move in considering columbus is really the only midwest market not swamped by LCCs
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Mon Mar 13, 2017 1:24 am

cvgComair wrote:
United increases at CVG:
- Some irregular mainline CVG-EWR frequencies have been loaded starting March 13 and lasting until mid April, hopefully we see more mainline on this route!
- CVG-IAH will add a 5th daily flight starting September 6, 2017
- The mainline CVG-ORD flight is being upgraded from an A319 to a B737-700 on July 1, 2017
- Previously reported, CVG-SFO will be upgauged to an A320 this summer

There are lots of overlaps on United's routes at CVG now:
CVG-DEN: DL/UA/G4/F9
CVG-SFO: DL/UA/F9
CVG-IAH: DL/UA/F9
CVG-EWR: DL/UA/G4 (Counting LGA, Add F9/AA, Plus UE on LUK-MMU)
CVG-ORD (MDW): DL/UA/AA/WN (Plus UE on LUK-MDW)
CVG-IAD (DCA): DL/UA/AA (Counting BWI, Add G4/WN)


With United the B737-700 is a downgrade from the A319. The 737-700 seats 118 while the A319 seats 128. The 737-700 does have more first class but that's it. Not a huge difference but it's still a difference. Also the ORD mailine changes from a turn to a RON while DEN loses its mainline on the 8th of June. It goes back to all express flying. Granted all this can change because it's still a ways out.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Mon Mar 13, 2017 1:51 am

AirportRival wrote:
With United the B737-700 is a downgrade from the A319. The 737-700 seats 118 while the A319 seats 128. The 737-700 does have more first class but that's it. Not a huge difference but it's still a difference. Also the ORD mailine changes from a turn to a RON while DEN loses its mainline on the 8th of June. It goes back to all express flying. Granted all this can change because it's still a ways out.


That's interesting, I guess I am just so used to Delta, their 737-700 has more seats than their A319. I would expect UA to slightly pull back their ORD presence to prepare for WN's entrance, that will be a lot of seats added to an already crowded route. Added to that, with DL's added frequency, their seat count will rise from 252 seats a day currently to 321 this summer. Frankly, DEN mainline will be challenging because DL has gone from 76 to 106 seats a day, plus F9 is on 2x/day and G4 will start CVG-DEN this summer. I am just hoping the CVG-SFO route does well!
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Tue Mar 14, 2017 1:12 pm

fsafsx wrote:
Maybe next Frontier will add Columbus to Minneapolis. Also Im hoping Columbus is going to hear a major air service announcement soon, CMH can be a huge gateway for the world if people saw it that way.


Is there anything more than hope on this on this announcement or any additional insight? I, too, would love to see AS/VX or BA @ CMH soon...
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:37 pm

I would hate for F9 to be the carrier operating CMH-SFO. They consistently run late, their ground personnel are lousy and rude, and their overall service is subpar at best. I have yet to encounter anyone who has had even a decent experience.

I completely agree that it would be much better to have AS/VX enter the market.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Tue Mar 14, 2017 4:37 pm

cvgComair wrote:
United increases at CVG:
- Some irregular mainline CVG-EWR frequencies have been loaded starting March 13 and lasting until mid April, hopefully we see more mainline on this route!
- CVG-IAH will add a 5th daily flight starting September 6, 2017
- The mainline CVG-ORD flight is being upgraded from an A319 to a B737-700 on July 1, 2017
- Previously reported, CVG-SFO will be upgauged to an A320 this summer

There are lots of overlaps on United's routes at CVG now:
CVG-DEN: DL/UA/G4/F9
CVG-SFO: DL/UA/F9
CVG-IAH: DL/UA/F9
CVG-EWR: DL/UA/G4 (Counting LGA, Add F9/AA, Plus UE on LUK-MMU)
CVG-ORD (MDW): DL/UA/AA/WN (Plus UE on LUK-MDW)
CVG-IAD (DCA): DL/UA/AA (Counting BWI, Add G4/WN)


I've found interesting that much of F9's route structure (and G4 to a lesser extent, though they try more disconnected city pairs) involves overlap with Big 4 carriers. At CMH, they're up against UA and WN to DEN, WN and seasonal DL to RSW and MCO, and WN to LAS. There's also indirect competition from G4 at LCK to the Florida destinations. There's a bunch of overlap at CLE, too.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:30 pm

CVG once again tops the Skytrax Awards:
- No. 1 for Best World Airport Serving 5 – 10 Million Passengers Per Year
- No. 1 for Best Regional Airport in North America
- No. 26 for World’s Top 100 Airports (highest ranking U.S. Airport)
- No. 2 for Best Airport (Overall) in North America
- No. 2 for World’s Best Regional Airport
- No. 5 for Best Airport Staff in North America

CVG has moved up quite a bit in the world rankings, we were 32 last year! This must be the 5th or 6th year in a row CVG was ranked as best airport in the U.S.
http://www.airlinequality.com/news/best ... rt-awards/

Does not look like any other Ohio airports made the list, correct me if I missed one!
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:57 pm

Good for CVG I was hoping CMH would be one of the best because it's the best in the USA in my mind and I would like to see Jetblue build a large presence in Columbus since it's the largest market for growth.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Wed Mar 15, 2017 2:29 am

Frontier is putting the A321 on CVG-LAS/SAN staring in late July, hopefully that means SAN is doing well and perhaps they could move the route to daily! That is in addition to the CVG-DEN/MCO routes which already have A321 service.

It looks like Frontier is making some changes on its schedule currently, I am hoping some new routes will be loaded later tonight (unfortunately it probably will not happen)!
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:25 am

Hey CVG Comair:

I never thought to use website archiving to search through historic timetables. Any chance you could provide a link for how you are using the archiving? I'm struggling to get the flight schedules to work.

Thanks!
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Wed Mar 15, 2017 7:31 am

CMHMarc787 wrote:
I would hate for F9 to be the carrier operating CMH-SFO. They consistently run late, their ground personnel are lousy and rude, and their overall service is subpar at best. I have yet to encounter anyone who has had even a decent experience.

I completely agree that it would be much better to have AS/VX enter the market.

Meh...my experiences with them have always been straightforward and decent, only one delay in the several times I've flown them. New service is new service IMO and I don't think F9 launching CMH-SFO would stop UA from also adding service if they wanted. Didn't stop them at CVG.


cvgComair wrote:
Frontier is putting the A321 on CVG-LAS/SAN staring in late July, hopefully that means SAN is doing well and perhaps they could move the route to daily! That is in addition to the CVG-DEN/MCO routes which already have A321 service.

It looks like Frontier is making some changes on its schedule currently, I am hoping some new routes will be loaded later tonight (unfortunately it probably will not happen)!

Definitely promising! It's a shame DL let the routes atrophy and fall by the wayside. Chopping SAN and PHX is IMO one of the areas where DL cut too deep. Even just before G4 and F9 started CVG-LAS, DL was down to less than daily service on the route (they still are, but at least they're flying it).

And kudos to you for being so on top of the gauge and flight changes at CVG, much appreciated...and here I thought I might have been CVG's most dedicated a geek! 2017 is shaping up to be another booming year for pax growth at CVG. I think there may be chance of reaching 7.5 million for the year once everything shakes out. I've been very curious to see what Jan/Feb pax figures look like so far this year, the airport has been uncharacteristically late in posting them.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Wed Mar 15, 2017 9:15 pm

Shields wrote:
Hey CVG Comair:

I never thought to use website archiving to search through historic timetables. Any chance you could provide a link for how you are using the archiving? I'm struggling to get the flight schedules to work.

Thanks!


Sure thing!

I have a Google Drive file with them sorted by year, it has 2002-2017: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B8kEDqqr87Qabm5scng4eHAwQjA?usp=sharing

Here are the directories/archives they are from:
2002-2010: http://www.airtimes.com/cgat/usb/delta/pdf/
2006-2011: https://web.archive.org/web/20130116123458/http://www.delta.com/schedules/travel/reservations/flight_sched/index.jsp? (Does Not Work Well)
2012-2017: https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.delta.com/content/dam/delta-www/pdfs/flight_schedules.pdf
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Wed Mar 15, 2017 9:25 pm

CVG Pax reports are out, they skipped January. As of February, CVG has had 970,716 travelers at a 9.00% increase. Cargo is also up 7.24%, up from a pretty flat 2016 cargo year. With Southwest coming, we should see a double digit passenger increase, plus cargo will increase by 25-50% with Amazon, which should help with the landing fees, which are not high, but there are many airports with lower landing fees.

Doing some quick calculations, assuming WN has average load factors of 80% and passenger growth besides WN remains at 7-9%, CVG will see 7.7-7.9 million passengers for 2017! Even if WN load factors or passenger increases are slightly lower than expected, it is still going to be over 7.5 million. It will be an exciting year!
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:40 am

LUK 2016 passenger numbers are out, had a nice passenger traffic year, 49,530 passengers flew through LUK, that is a 56% increase compared to last year.

Also, G4 has risen above 10% market share at CVG for the first time ever!
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Fri Mar 17, 2017 7:35 am

cvgComair wrote:
CVG Pax reports are out, they skipped January. As of February, CVG has had 970,716 travelers at a 9.00% increase. Cargo is also up 7.24%, up from a pretty flat 2016 cargo year. With Southwest coming, we should see a double digit passenger increase, plus cargo will increase by 25-50% with Amazon, which should help with the landing fees, which are not high, but there are many airports with lower landing fees.

Doing some quick calculations, assuming WN has average load factors of 80% and passenger growth besides WN remains at 7-9%, CVG will see 7.7-7.9 million passengers for 2017! Even if WN load factors or passenger increases are slightly lower than expected, it is still going to be over 7.5 million. It will be an exciting year!

Ah nice, they finally posted. Great start to the year! I'm not sure they'll quite make it to 7.9 million, stranger things have happened though. Either way, over 7.5 million would be quite a milestone. I do wonder what they're going to do about ticket counter space however if DL won't be giving up anything on its side of the terminal.

My dream list for the next year and a half:
- Seasonal CVG-PDX. I think the market is there for at least some sort of seasonal service. I can only see F9 picking this up unless AS gets frisky. I once flew this route on a 767, hard to believe it's not served at all nowadays.
- An additional CVG-SEA. Would love AS to come in with a daily flight, but I'd be happy even with a seasonal F9 flight. I can't believe DL can't make one daily year-round flight work with a hub on both sides (feeble as feed traffic may be on the CVG end).
- UA mainline to either EWR or IAH.
- AA or AS on CVG-LAX. Doable but they'd have to fight and run F9 off to make it work.
- DL on CVG-LHR. Not likely with LHR so slot constrained unfortunately, but I think the market is there for 757 service. I'd take BA service as well, but I don't think they're likely at all.
- Condor 2x weekly on CVG-FRA. More likely than CVG-LHR to happen.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:14 pm

cvgComair wrote:
Shields wrote:
Hey CVG Comair:

I never thought to use website archiving to search through historic timetables. Any chance you could provide a link for how you are using the archiving? I'm struggling to get the flight schedules to work.

Thanks!


Sure thing!

I have a Google Drive file with them sorted by year, it has 2002-2017: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B8kEDqqr87Qabm5scng4eHAwQjA?usp=sharing

Here are the directories/archives they are from:
2002-2010: http://www.airtimes.com/cgat/usb/delta/pdf/
2006-2011: https://web.archive.org/web/20130116123458/http://www.delta.com/schedules/travel/reservations/flight_sched/index.jsp? (Does Not Work Well)
2012-2017: https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.delta.com/content/dam/delta-www/pdfs/flight_schedules.pdf


It's amazing looking at May 2004 and seeing 5x M88 CMH-ATL but 4x 757 and a couple CRJs and FRJs each on CMH-CVG. I remember as a kid being bummed that I was stuck on the Mad Dog going on vacation because we usually couldn't get to DAB through CVG and I wanted 757 time.
A310/319/320/321/333, ARJ, BN2, B717/722/73S/733/734/735/73G/738/739/744/757/753/767/763/764/777, CR1/2/7/9, DH6, 328, EM2/ERJ/E70/E75/E90, F28/100, J31, L10/12/15, DC9/D93/D94/D95/M80/M88/M90/D10, SF3, SST
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:38 pm

Holy cow! Thanks, CVG Comair
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:46 pm

Not intending to cause any trouble, but has anyone heard anything new about TATL or TransPAC flight from CMH in the future?
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:46 am

FLYi
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:55 am

StuckinCMHland wrote:
Not intending to cause any trouble, but has anyone heard anything new about TATL or TransPAC flight from CMH in the future?

CMH can't even get SEA, SFO, PDX, SAN, AUS plus several other larger markets in the U.S. I think TATL is pretty much a pipe dream for the foreseeable future.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Wed Mar 22, 2017 3:02 am

Frontier is holding a hiring event at CVG on 4/11, not sure what type/quantity of jobs are being offered, but I wonder if F9 is adding a crew base at CVG? They currently have ones in DEN/ORD/MCO, so CVG seems like the next obvious one to add.

flyPIT wrote:

Let's hope this works! I think Condor on CVG-FRA would be the best TATL route to add to CVG as it is the largest non-London European market from CVG, plus Condor is attractive to business and leisure passengers.

In regards to CMH, the biggest problem is that the city is "sandwiched" in between PIT and CVG. I would love to see TATL from CMH, but I worry about the leakage that is already happening. (There are stories of passengers driving from DTW to fly on PIT's TATL LCC service!) Though, with enough incentives, CMH-KEF/FRA on WOW/Condor is not unrealistic, but I have seen nothing about CMH recruiting carriers or incentive plans. Does such a plan even exist? I know CVG/PIT/IND have similar plans to each other.

I do agree though, CMH needs to focus on SFO/SEA first.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Wed Mar 22, 2017 3:28 am

cvgComair wrote:

Let's hope this works! I think Condor on CVG-FRA would be the best TATL route to add to CVG as it is the largest non-London European market from CVG, plus Condor is attractive to business and leisure passengers.

My only concern is that the incentives apparently require the route to run at least 4x weekly. Condor's go-to frequency is 2x weekly and honestly that's probably the most realistic frequency for CVG.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Wed Mar 22, 2017 3:47 am

Interesting line from the article: "The changes come at airlines’ request after CVG officials attended several air services conferences, according to CVG CEO Candace McGraw."

flyguy89 wrote:
My only concern is that the incentives apparently require the route to run at least 4x weekly. Condor's go-to frequency is 2x weekly and honestly that's probably the most realistic frequency for CVG.

Frankly, if an airline actually stepped up willing to start service, I bet they would get more incentives than the "base" offering. They also offer a slightly lower amount for "seasonal" or 2x/week service, but I am not sure what that amount is (I think ~$200,000/year).

To tell the truth, I rather keep CVG-CDG strong and not risk DL cutting it. There are not any other carriers that would offer daily, year-round service to Europe. I think the best course of action would be to throw everything to DL in order to keep CVG-CDG daily. If we really need more TATL service (I think more domestic flights should be a bigger priority), have the airport board subsidize a CVG-LHR/FRA/AMS flight on DL, even if it just seasonal/less than daily.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:40 am

cvgComair wrote:
Interesting line from the article: "The changes come at airlines’ request after CVG officials attended several air services conferences, according to CVG CEO Candace McGraw."

flyguy89 wrote:
My only concern is that the incentives apparently require the route to run at least 4x weekly. Condor's go-to frequency is 2x weekly and honestly that's probably the most realistic frequency for CVG.

Frankly, if an airline actually stepped up willing to start service, I bet they would get more incentives than the "base" offering. They also offer a slightly lower amount for "seasonal" or 2x/week service, but I am not sure what that amount is (I think ~$200,000/year).

To tell the truth, I rather keep CVG-CDG strong and not risk DL cutting it. There are not any other carriers that would offer daily, year-round service to Europe. I think the best course of action would be to throw everything to DL in order to keep CVG-CDG daily. If we really need more TATL service (I think more domestic flights should be a bigger priority), have the airport board subsidize a CVG-LHR/FRA/AMS flight on DL, even if it just seasonal/less than daily.

Agreed, although I don't think a Condor flight would really compete with or harm the P&G Express. If anything the airport should be targeting DL hard to launch maybe a 5x weekly CVG-LHR. Of all the options, that one probably has the best case if DL could ever spare some slots.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Wed Mar 22, 2017 11:36 am

cvgComair wrote:
Allegiant is adding CVG-DEN starting June 2 with a 3x/week frequency. I am very surprised by this route! Now there will be 4 carriers on CVG-DEN, possibly trying to keep WN from entering the market? F9 will not like this either.


I think that Southwest will end up adding nonstop service from CVG-DEN for several reasons. First, many Denver-area travelers prefer to fly on Southwest instead of on United, Frontier, or Delta, and would be willing to take Southwest to CVG if Southwest had nonstop service to CVG from Denver. Second, Frontier is often significantly cheaper than Delta and United on the CVG-DEN route (even after paying the fees Frontier charges for various services), and Southwest would be likely be cheaper than what Delta and United often charge on the DEN-CVG route. Third, Southwest has in recent years added nonstop service from Denver to Dallas and Cleveland, both of which are in competition with Frontier, and Southwest will probably end up doing the same on DEN-CVG. Fourth, a Southwest nonstop from CVG to DEN would carry customers who are connecting in Denver to destinations west of the Rocky Mountains. Fifth, many Cincinnati-area travelers actually do not like to fly Allegiant and would be willing to fly on airlines other than Delta, United, or Allegiant. Sixth, there is business travel between Cincinnati and Denver and points west of the Rocky Mountains, and Southwest adding nonstop service between CVG and DEN would provide Cincinnati-area businesses another option for travel to these places.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:30 pm

cvgComair wrote:
In regards to CMH, the biggest problem is that the city is "sandwiched" in between PIT and CVG. I would love to see TATL from CMH, but I worry about the leakage that is already happening. (There are stories of passengers driving from DTW to fly on PIT's TATL LCC service!) Though, with enough incentives, CMH-KEF/FRA on WOW/Condor is not unrealistic, but I have seen nothing about CMH recruiting carriers or incentive plans. Does such a plan even exist? I know CVG/PIT/IND have similar plans to each other.


Yes, CMH does have incentives for carriers and has been after BA for years (like every airport). Additionally, the relatively new CMH-OAK route on SW included 1.7M in incentives over 2 years. The full disclosure/breakdown of that amount is not available.

Also, while dated (2010), here's a link to CMH's airline incentive program:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/l8kpxtqfo9v6lbw/CMH_incentive_EXPANSION%5B2010%5D.pdf?dl=0

While regional competition is certainly a factor for CMH not having a nonstop to Europe, I believe the biggest problem is, unfortunately, the number of passengers (or lack thereof) heading to London as a final destination...last I read/saw, it was around 50 - 55. And this was the MOST of any European city (FRA was #2, if I remember correctly). Ideally, this number needs to be higher in order to sustain a route...

My fingers are crossed, however, as Columbus continues to grow (economically & population-wise) at a rate exceeding almost all of its geographic competitors...especially within the state of Ohio. It's only a matter of time before the city is able to lure a TATL carrier here, I just don't think it'll happen in the next 2-3 years...
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:25 pm

The former mayor of Columbus, Michael Coleman, was aggressive in his quest to get more airlines and greater service at CMH. There doesn't seem to be as much commitment by the current mayor. Hopefully, this will change - especially since it was announced this morning that Franklin County (Columbus) is now the largest county in the state, as well as the fastest growing metro area in the state.

While it would stand to reason that CMH should be a more attractive place for service (both CVG and CLE are two hours away, while PIT is three +), it would be helpful if Columbus' mayor took the same committed approach towards bringing more service here.

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