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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:15 pm

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I still think CMH could land BA but the LCCs may have passed them by. They have a slightly larger AA presence than CVG and CLE and no TATL to compete with. Columbus is a decent size market, but I wonder if some airlines (especiallythe LCCs) are starting to think that they can pull the market a couple hours to CLE, PIT, and CVG.


I think CMH's chances of snagging BA have gone way up in the last two days. A couple of years ago BA said that they were looking at adding, CMH, CLE, IND, BNA, and STL. Now with 3/4 contenders having TATL service, BA will be able to capture more of the market than they could at STL or CLE, and will be able to charge higher fares. Eitherway, Im not too sure the LCCs/ULCCs have passed CMH by.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:25 pm

Face it...the Columbus Airport Commission is a waste. Right now, they don't seem to have the stones necessary for winning over any sort of TATL service...and driving to CLE or CVG is not going to happen.

C'est la vie...such is life.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:40 pm

CMHMarc787 wrote:
Face it...the Columbus Airport Commission is a waste. Right now, they don't seem to have the stones necessary for winning over any sort of TATL service...and driving to CLE or CVG is not going to happen.

C'est la vie...such is life.


People were saying that about CLE management after PIT won all the bananas last year. If CMH in fact ends up without a TATL flight, I bet LOTS of OSU's student population would be more than willing to drive to CLE or CVG for $300 round-trip fares to Europe. Business travelers, maybe not; but bargain hunters, for sure..
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:39 pm

masseybrown wrote:
CMHMarc787 wrote:
Face it...the Columbus Airport Commission is a waste. Right now, they don't seem to have the stones necessary for winning over any sort of TATL service...and driving to CLE or CVG is not going to happen.

C'est la vie...such is life.


People were saying that about CLE management after PIT won all the bananas last year. If CMH in fact ends up without a TATL flight, I bet LOTS of OSU's student population would be more than willing to drive to CLE or CVG for $300 round-trip fares to Europe. Business travelers, maybe not; but bargain hunters, for sure..


And that's exactly why CMH isn't getting ULCC TATL service. Business travelers are connecting to real airlines, while leisure travelers are willing to drive.

It's the same at IND, although I think that they're slightly more likely to get service.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:51 pm

masseybrown wrote:
People were saying that about CLE management after PIT won all the bananas last year. If CMH in fact ends up without a TATL flight, I bet LOTS of OSU's student population would be more than willing to drive to CLE or CVG for $300 round-trip fares to Europe. Business travelers, maybe not; but bargain hunters, for sure..


I believe it. The news of WW coming to Ohio, most notably CVG, lit my primarily Central Ohio-loaded Facebook feed up more than anything I've ever seen involving air service.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Thu Aug 24, 2017 12:35 pm

Looks like G4 is adding a twice weekly non-stop to AUS (M&F departures) starting Feb out of LCK.

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2017/08/24/direct-flights-to-austin-from-rickenbacker-to.html

Seeing as Frontier also announced this route (out of CMH) and that some have speculated about the airline's ability to implement all of those new, proposed routes with the recent expansion, a comment in the article caught my eye. Per the airport spokesperson Frontier hasn't "yet provided us any additional details on the launch of that service."
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:16 pm

Briancw wrote:
Looks like G4 is adding a twice weekly non-stop to AUS (M&F departures) starting Feb out of LCK.

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2017/08/24/direct-flights-to-austin-from-rickenbacker-to.html

Seeing as Frontier also announced this route (out of CMH) and that some have speculated about the airline's ability to implement all of those new, proposed routes with the recent expansion, a comment in the article caught my eye. Per the airport spokesperson Frontier hasn't "yet provided us any additional details on the launch of that service."


Third city with overlapping service to both CMH and LCK (FLL and MSY are the others). That's also 10 destinations in the five years since they first launched service to LCK.

I figured G4 might work at LCK but never thought they'd do this well.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:36 pm

masseybrown wrote:
CMHMarc787 wrote:
Face it...the Columbus Airport Commission is a waste. Right now, they don't seem to have the stones necessary for winning over any sort of TATL service...and driving to CLE or CVG is not going to happen.

C'est la vie...such is life.


People were saying that about CLE management after PIT won all the bananas last year. If CMH in fact ends up without a TATL flight, I bet LOTS of OSU's student population would be more than willing to drive to CLE or CVG for $300 round-trip fares to Europe. Business travelers, maybe not; but bargain hunters, for sure..



As far as CMH flyers are concerned..those OSU and other "bargain" travelers will make the drive up I-71 to CLE rather than haveng to deal with Cincinnati traffiic getting to CVG. 2 hours max from about anywheree in Columbus and you are at Hopkins.

The service to CVG will cast a net to Louisville, Lexington , even over into Indiana and as far east as the Huntington WV area. That is the market the CVG service will capture.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Thu Aug 24, 2017 2:00 pm

Rumor on FlyerTalk (posted by Midwestindy in the BA thread) is AA is adding LHR service to a new city to "bypass JFK" which doesn't already have London nonstops.

This feels an awful lot like CMH or IND. Thanks to the magic of Twitter, I've got The Columbus Dispatch's travel writer looking into it.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Thu Aug 24, 2017 2:18 pm

I think WW will be a welcome addition to CVG and will certainly be accepted by the budget conscious traveler. But I don't really believe it will be a serious threat to DL's CDG flight. It may cut into it a bit but not enough to put it in any sort of jeopardy. The reason is the flight's timing.

I looked at a Monday and Tuesday May 21st and 22nd departure on WW on AMS, CDG, FRA and LGW. You get in (next day obviously) as follows:

AMS: 525p
CDG: 525p
FRA: 547p
LGW: 825p

I would think that would be much too late in the day for the business traveler, effectively costing them a day extra. This doesn't even consider the "appeal" of a 1240a departure time. I think this would probably turn off some leisure travelers who aren't as budget conscious for the same reason. Moreover, eastern Europe and the Mediterranean countries aren't easily reached, if at all, via KEF on WW. I think DL (both in its CDG direct and on connecting flights) and the other legacies like AA and UA are probably still going to see people flying them, be it for the robust networks created by alliances they have developed or by sheer necessity.

Don't get me wrong. I think WW coming to CVG is fantastic and a welcome addition. Just as local passengers have used Frontier and Allegiant, there is a market here for LCC and ULCC. I just don't believe the WW flight will adversely affect existing options out of CVG that much. That's a good thing.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:04 pm

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Cvgspotter15 wrote:
Wonder about the gate situation. Will they unload at B and tow to A at CVG? If delta just gives up one widebody gate that would change everything because since the WOW flights are so late an airline like Condor could have space to come in with a 6-8 landing departure flight or something like that.

Reading the Enquirer article it says the flights will actually depart from Concourse B as well, so it looks like our speculative concern about the use of DL's FIS-equipped B gates being an obstacle were overblown?

Keep in mind, the gate fees are waived for new carriers, so CVG is paying DL for the gates. That might change once WW is paying for their own gates.
 
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Fri Aug 25, 2017 1:35 pm

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Hopefully somebody steps up to take their place. As long as the odds may seem, TOL-CLT started this week.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Fri Aug 25, 2017 2:14 pm

GSM605 wrote:
I looked at a Monday and Tuesday May 21st and 22nd departure on WW on AMS, CDG, FRA and LGW. You get in (next day obviously) as follows:

AMS: 525p
CDG: 525p
FRA: 547p
LGW: 825p


Not all bad, though. What has always annoyed me is arriving in Europe at 7AM, getting to the hotel at 9AM and then being told by a smirking clerk, "Your room won't be ready until 5PM." Trying to work that day is hopeless (at least for me); so you wander around for 6 or 8 hours feeling like a zombie. Paying an extra night's hotel bill to ensure a room upon arrival is expensive. This way, a biz traveler could save on the plane, save the extra night's hotel bill and go to work the next day after a real night's sleep..
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:21 pm

cvgComair wrote:
flyguy89 wrote:
Cvgspotter15 wrote:
Wonder about the gate situation. Will they unload at B and tow to A at CVG? If delta just gives up one widebody gate that would change everything because since the WOW flights are so late an airline like Condor could have space to come in with a 6-8 landing departure flight or something like that.

Reading the Enquirer article it says the flights will actually depart from Concourse B as well, so it looks like our speculative concern about the use of DL's FIS-equipped B gates being an obstacle were overblown?

Keep in mind, the gate fees are waived for new carriers, so CVG is paying DL for the gates. That might change once WW is paying for their own gates.


How long will CVG be covering the gate fees?
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Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:56 pm

 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:16 pm

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That's a shame. I feel for the people & businesses of Youngstown. They have worked hard to shake their past reputation. I do know that Allegiant is starting an ambitious schedule at Louisville (SDF), so they will need planes to cover that expansion, along with other plans that they have. Hang in there, Youngstown, the history of air travel in the USA is far from over & you will be a part of it yet!
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Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:31 pm

SkyVoice wrote:
flyPIT wrote:


That's a shame. I feel for the people & businesses of Youngstown. They have worked hard to shake their past reputation.


I agree; I thought the YNG economy was starting to bounce back. The last time I was there the city looked physically much improved from 10-15 years ago.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:41 pm

No official news here, but this is from the June meeting minutes of the CRAA in regards to new service at CMH,

• There is continued dialogue with airlines regarding our largest unserved domestic markets, particularly Seattle and San Francisco. Additionally, international air service both Trans-Atlantic and Trans-Pacific remains in active discussion with prospective airlines as well.

• Air service development is a marathon, not a sprint, and we are pleased with our current standing with the industry while capitalizing on opportunities in a very strong aviation market. Virtually every airline either serving or not yet serving Columbus has a high regard for our market and its trajectory.


http://columbusairports.com/files/about-us/board-of-directors/board-meeting-minutes/minutes-06-27-17.pdf
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:52 pm

boscmh wrote:
No official news here, but this is from the June meeting minutes of the CRAA in regards to new service at CMH,

• There is continued dialogue with airlines regarding our largest unserved domestic markets, particularly Seattle and San Francisco. Additionally, international air service both Trans-Atlantic and Trans-Pacific remains in active discussion with prospective airlines as well.

• Air service development is a marathon, not a sprint, and we are pleased with our current standing with the industry while capitalizing on opportunities in a very strong aviation market. Virtually every airline either serving or not yet serving Columbus has a high regard for our market and its trajectory.


http://columbusairports.com/files/about-us/board-of-directors/board-meeting-minutes/minutes-06-27-17.pdf


Good find. Just above those bullet points was a note that that particular committee's next meeting was scheduled for this past Tuesday.
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Fri Aug 25, 2017 9:10 pm

rockyracoon wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
flyguy89 wrote:
Reading the Enquirer article it says the flights will actually depart from Concourse B as well, so it looks like our speculative concern about the use of DL's FIS-equipped B gates being an obstacle were overblown?

Keep in mind, the gate fees are waived for new carriers, so CVG is paying DL for the gates. That might change once WW is paying for their own gates.

How long will CVG be covering the gate fees?

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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Sat Aug 26, 2017 1:13 am

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That's a shame. I feel for the people & businesses of Youngstown. They have worked hard to shake their past reputation.


Yes, but realistically Allegiant serving YNG resulted in local dollars leaving Youngstown and being spent in the south, i.e. Florida. If one was in a minority doing the reverse, originating south to north to land in NE Ohio, there are better options with flights and rental cars at CLE.

I do wonder if HGR will be kiboshed as it's a periphery airport west of BWI, and 3 hours from PIT and not far from MDT, but I guess that isn't relevant in a Ohio thread.
 
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Sat Aug 26, 2017 1:26 am

phluser wrote:
SkyVoice wrote:
That's a shame. I feel for the people & businesses of Youngstown. They have worked hard to shake their past reputation.


Yes, but realistically Allegiant serving YNG resulted in local dollars leaving Youngstown and being spent in the south, i.e. Florida. If one was in a minority doing the reverse, originating south to north to land in NE Ohio, there are better options with flights and rental cars at CLE.

I do wonder if HGR will be kiboshed as it's a periphery airport west of BWI, and 3 hours from PIT and not far from MDT, but I guess that isn't relevant in a Ohio thread.


In addition, HGR is actually closer to IAD than it is to BWI, and IAD is only 64 miles south of the center of Hagerstown, MD. In addition to HGR, IAD, BWI, and MDT, DCA is also close enough to Hagerstown as DCA is only 75 miles southeast of the center of Hagerstown, MD.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:46 pm

F9 has made some big cuts a MCO, unfortunately CVG and CMH were included in the decreased frequencies:
F9 CVG-MCO NOV 2>1.2 DEC 2>1.2 JAN 2>1.4 FEB 2>1.3 MAR 2>1.0 APR 0.5>0.2
F9 CMH-MCO JAN 1.0>0.6 FEB 1.0>0.6 MAR 1.0>0.6 APR 0.2>0.1

So strange they would make reductions in peak travel time...
 
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Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:55 pm

cvgComair wrote:
F9 has made some big cuts a MCO, unfortunately CVG and CMH were included in the decreased frequencies:
F9 CVG-MCO NOV 2>1.2 DEC 2>1.2 JAN 2>1.4 FEB 2>1.3 MAR 2>1.0 APR 0.5>0.2
F9 CMH-MCO JAN 1.0>0.6 FEB 1.0>0.6 MAR 1.0>0.6 APR 0.2>0.1

So strange they would make reductions in peak travel time...
I'm with you, I think WN could add MCO at CVG in response, I've already analyzed B6 could add DTW-MCO since F9 isn't a huge threat, and this schedule update reflects on that.
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Sun Aug 27, 2017 7:42 pm

cvgComair wrote:
F9 has made some big cuts a MCO, unfortunately CVG and CMH were included in the decreased frequencies:
F9 CVG-MCO NOV 2>1.2 DEC 2>1.2 JAN 2>1.4 FEB 2>1.3 MAR 2>1.0 APR 0.5>0.2
F9 CMH-MCO JAN 1.0>0.6 FEB 1.0>0.6 MAR 1.0>0.6 APR 0.2>0.1

So strange they would make reductions in peak travel time...


As far out as these cuts are I'm not really reading too much into them. I can tell you that Frontier's schedule isn't even finalized for October.
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Sun Aug 27, 2017 8:24 pm

AirportRival wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
F9 has made some big cuts a MCO, unfortunately CVG and CMH were included in the decreased frequencies:
F9 CVG-MCO NOV 2>1.2 DEC 2>1.2 JAN 2>1.4 FEB 2>1.3 MAR 2>1.0 APR 0.5>0.2
F9 CMH-MCO JAN 1.0>0.6 FEB 1.0>0.6 MAR 1.0>0.6 APR 0.2>0.1

So strange they would make reductions in peak travel time...

As far out as these cuts are I'm not really reading too much into them. I can tell you that Frontier's schedule isn't even finalized for October.

So true, but this scheduling is getting even crazier than DL. I was going to try F9 this past summer to SFO and again this fall to IAH, however I went with DL because of situations like this. Coincidentally, both of these routes were cut from the schedule when I would have booked! I have to wonder how much business they are loosing, I understand needing to change flights 6 months out, but a month?
 
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Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:03 pm

Didn't F9 seasonally draw back a bunch of stuff last year only to bring it back? I know CMH-PHL was axed, but I seem to remember MCO being reduced inexplicably.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:38 pm

boscmh wrote:
No official news here, but this is from the June meeting minutes of the CRAA in regards to new service at CMH,

• There is continued dialogue with airlines regarding our largest unserved domestic markets, particularly Seattle and San Francisco. Additionally, international air service both Trans-Atlantic and Trans-Pacific remains in active discussion with prospective airlines as well.

• Air service development is a marathon, not a sprint, and we are pleased with our current standing with the industry while capitalizing on opportunities in a very strong aviation market. Virtually every airline either serving or not yet serving Columbus has a high regard for our market and its trajectory.


http://columbusairports.com/files/about-us/board-of-directors/board-meeting-minutes/minutes-06-27-17.pdf

I'm not trying to throw cold water on this, but we could probably go back at least 10 years and find articles in the Dispatch pretty much saying the same thing.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Sun Aug 27, 2017 10:20 pm

I noticed southwest switched some times around so now both gates are operated at the same time at least at a much closer schedule. (obviously they were for delays). There is no more 9:30PM flight or whenever it was late at night the latest is now 6:20 to BWI. And the early morning MDW got moved back to 7:10. As well as the morning BWI got moved up to 6AM and is now the earliest. Hopefully these prove to be better. Also does anyone know if their load factors have increased at all?
 
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Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:36 pm

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I noticed southwest switched some times around so now both gates are operated at the same time at least at a much closer schedule. (obviously they were for delays). There is no more 9:30PM flight or whenever it was late at night the latest is now 6:20 to BWI. And the early morning MDW got moved back to 7:10. As well as the morning BWI got moved up to 6AM and is now the earliest. Hopefully these prove to be better. Also does anyone know if their load factors have increased at all?


I think loads have fallen but that is common this time of year. Peak season has ended and people are going back to work and school. I believe loads have started falling for all the airlines I think.
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Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:50 pm

AirportRival wrote:
Cvgspotter15 wrote:
I noticed southwest switched some times around so now both gates are operated at the same time at least at a much closer schedule. (obviously they were for delays). There is no more 9:30PM flight or whenever it was late at night the latest is now 6:20 to BWI. And the early morning MDW got moved back to 7:10. As well as the morning BWI got moved up to 6AM and is now the earliest. Hopefully these prove to be better. Also does anyone know if their load factors have increased at all?


I think loads have fallen but that is common this time of year. Peak season has ended and people are going back to work and school. I believe loads have started falling for all the airlines I think.

I think it's important as well when looking at loads is to compare to similar routes like IND-MDW/BWI or CMH-MDW/BWI to get a better sense of what WN's expectations may be for such short-haul connections-oriented routes.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:01 am

Looks as if nothing for CVG, but at least CMH got CUN
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Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:04 pm

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Looks as if nothing for CVG, but at least CMH got CUN


19 cities for WN now at CMH and far and away the leader in market share. Maybe not a focus city, but might as well be.

Three airlines running CMH-CUN now as well, behind DL and Vacation Express.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:19 pm

Nice to see CMH join the ranks as an international station for WN with this weekly CUN service.

Still on my wishlist though are daily year round HOU, LGA, and seasonal SAN. Maybe one day!
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:47 pm

Is WN going to park the CUN arrival at C46 and then tow it around to A, then?
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:25 pm

July numbers for CVG are finally in:
- Up a whopping 24.16% YOY for the month of July
- Up 14.21% YTD
http://cvgairport.com/docs/default-sour ... ?sfvrsn=12

The airport has also announced $6 million in makeover plans to renovate the baggage claim and check-in areas.
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/money/2 ... 607400001/
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:41 pm

I was trying to wait for the Q1 2017 PDEW numbers to come out before I shared this again but they seem to running a little slow. Here is my PDEW from CVG project again that I started awhile back. I'm just now getting started on the 2010 and earlier years so it'll be a while before I get those added.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Tue Aug 29, 2017 7:06 pm

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Looks as if nothing for CVG, but at least CMH got CUN


CVG-PHX is the largest domestic route between 2 cities served by Southwest Airlines that is not between perimeter restricted airports, that is not to or from a jetBlue focus city, that is not to or from Alaska Airlines's main SEA hub, and that is not served nonstop by any of the big 4 U.S. airlines (American, Delta, United, and Southwest). There are at least 11 businesses based in Greater Phoenix that have a presence in the Greater Cincinnati, including Best Western, Cold Stone Creamery, DriveTime, Kona Grill, Leslie's Swimming Pool Supplies, Mobile Mini, Petsmart, P.F. Chang's, Republic Services, U-Haul, and University of Phoenix, and there is business travel from PHX to CVG with many Greater Phoenix-based businesses that have a presence in the Greater Cincinnati area and with Cincinnati-based Kroger operating Fry's Food Stores and Fry's Marketplace stores in the Greater Phoenix area.

The Cincinnati metropolitan area is also the largest metropolitan area in the U.S. that does not have nonstop service from PHX on any of the big 4 U.S. airlines (American, Delta, United, and Southwest).

There is a real need for either American or Southwest to serve CVG nonstop from PHX since CVG is a key destination for Greater Phoenix-based businesses that have a presence in Greater Cincinnati, since there is limited nonstop service to CVG from the Greater Phoenix area (with Frontier only doing 1 nonstop a day between PHX and CVG and with Allegiant only having nonstop service between AZA and CVG on Mondays and Fridays), since Delta does not have a hub at PHX, and since business travelers based in Greater Phoenix who travel to CVG from PHX would prefer to travel to CVG on American or Southwest if either one of these airlines add nonstop service from PHX and CVG. In addition, there are some business travelers based in Greater Phoenix that prefer to fly Southwest over other airlines as there are 9 cities that see nonstop service out of PHX on Southwest but do not see nonstop service out of PHX on American, including Buffalo, Cleveland, Louisville, Nashville, New Orleans, Oklahoma City, Raleigh/Durham, Tulsa, and Wichita.

If American plans on adding PHX-CVG nonstop service, it could add American Eagle PHX-CVG nonstop service since CVG is only 1563 miles east of PHX and since the PHX-CVG nonstop route is within the range of American Eagle's E-175 regional jets. American Eagle does operate some routes that are almost as long as the PHX-CVG nonstop route on E-175 regional jets, including MIA-MSP (which is 1501 miles), DFW-YUL (which is 1508 miles), and DFW-YYC (which is 1521 miles). If American plans on serving CVG nonstop from PHX, would AA add nonstop mainline flights between PHX and CVG, or would AA add American Eagle nonstop flights between PHX and CVG?

Southwest could add nonstop service from PHX to CVG since there are business travelers in Greater Phoenix who prefer to fly Southwest over other airlines, since CVG is a key destination for some of the business travelers based in Greater Phoenix, and since Southwest would be able to provide connections from CVG to Southern California destinations through PHX if it added PHX-CVG nonstop service.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Tue Aug 29, 2017 7:21 pm

jplatts wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Looks as if nothing for CVG, but at least CMH got CUN


CVG-PHX is the largest domestic route between 2 cities served by Southwest Airlines that is not between perimeter restricted airports, that is not to or from a jetBlue focus city, that is not to or from Alaska Airlines's main SEA hub, and that is not served nonstop by any of the big 4 U.S. airlines (American, Delta, United, and Southwest). There are at least 11 businesses based in Greater Phoenix that have a presence in the Greater Cincinnati, including Best Western, Cold Stone Creamery, DriveTime, Kona Grill, Leslie's Swimming Pool Supplies, Mobile Mini, Petsmart, P.F. Chang's, Republic Services, U-Haul, and University of Phoenix, and there is business travel from PHX to CVG with many Greater Phoenix-based businesses that have a presence in the Greater Cincinnati area and with Cincinnati-based Kroger operating Fry's Food Stores and Fry's Marketplace stores in the Greater Phoenix area.

The Cincinnati metropolitan area is also the largest metropolitan area in the U.S. that does not have nonstop service from PHX on any of the big 4 U.S. airlines (American, Delta, United, and Southwest).

There is a real need for either American or Southwest to serve CVG nonstop from PHX since CVG is a key destination for Greater Phoenix-based businesses that have a presence in Greater Cincinnati, since there is limited nonstop service to CVG from the Greater Phoenix area (with Frontier only doing 1 nonstop a day between PHX and CVG and with Allegiant only having nonstop service between AZA and CVG on Mondays and Fridays), since Delta does not have a hub at PHX, and since business travelers based in Greater Phoenix who travel to CVG from PHX would prefer to travel to CVG on American or Southwest if either one of these airlines add nonstop service from PHX and CVG. In addition, there are some business travelers based in Greater Phoenix that prefer to fly Southwest over other airlines as there are 9 cities that see nonstop service out of PHX on Southwest but do not see nonstop service out of PHX on American, including Buffalo, Cleveland, Louisville, Nashville, New Orleans, Oklahoma City, Raleigh/Durham, Tulsa, and Wichita.

If American plans on adding PHX-CVG nonstop service, it could add American Eagle PHX-CVG nonstop service since CVG is only 1563 miles east of PHX and since the PHX-CVG nonstop route is within the range of American Eagle's E-175 regional jets. American Eagle does operate some routes that are almost as long as the PHX-CVG nonstop route on E-175 regional jets, including MIA-MSP (which is 1501 miles), DFW-YUL (which is 1508 miles), and DFW-YYC (which is 1521 miles). If American plans on serving CVG nonstop from PHX, would AA add nonstop mainline flights between PHX and CVG, or would AA add American Eagle nonstop flights between PHX and CVG?

Southwest could add nonstop service from PHX to CVG since there are business travelers in Greater Phoenix who prefer to fly Southwest over other airlines, since CVG is a key destination for some of the business travelers based in Greater Phoenix, and since Southwest would be able to provide connections from CVG to Southern California destinations through PHX if it added PHX-CVG nonstop service.


Wow 388 for only one not daily a320, and allegiants also not daily 319. Definitely a little undeserved.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Tue Aug 29, 2017 7:33 pm

jplatts wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Looks as if nothing for CVG, but at least CMH got CUN


CVG-PHX is the largest domestic route between 2 cities served by Southwest Airlines that is not between perimeter restricted airports, that is not to or from a jetBlue focus city, that is not to or from Alaska Airlines's main SEA hub, and that is not served nonstop by any of the big 4 U.S. airlines (American, Delta, United, and Southwest). There are at least 11 businesses based in Greater Phoenix that have a presence in the Greater Cincinnati, including Best Western, Cold Stone Creamery, DriveTime, Kona Grill, Leslie's Swimming Pool Supplies, Mobile Mini, Petsmart, P.F. Chang's, Republic Services, U-Haul, and University of Phoenix, and there is business travel from PHX to CVG with many Greater Phoenix-based businesses that have a presence in the Greater Cincinnati area and with Cincinnati-based Kroger operating Fry's Food Stores and Fry's Marketplace stores in the Greater Phoenix area.

The Cincinnati metropolitan area is also the largest metropolitan area in the U.S. that does not have nonstop service from PHX on any of the big 4 U.S. airlines (American, Delta, United, and Southwest).

There is a real need for either American or Southwest to serve CVG nonstop from PHX since CVG is a key destination for Greater Phoenix-based businesses that have a presence in Greater Cincinnati, since there is limited nonstop service to CVG from the Greater Phoenix area (with Frontier only doing 1 nonstop a day between PHX and CVG and with Allegiant only having nonstop service between AZA and CVG on Mondays and Fridays), since Delta does not have a hub at PHX, and since business travelers based in Greater Phoenix who travel to CVG from PHX would prefer to travel to CVG on American or Southwest if either one of these airlines add nonstop service from PHX and CVG. In addition, there are some business travelers based in Greater Phoenix that prefer to fly Southwest over other airlines as there are 9 cities that see nonstop service out of PHX on Southwest but do not see nonstop service out of PHX on American, including Buffalo, Cleveland, Louisville, Nashville, New Orleans, Oklahoma City, Raleigh/Durham, Tulsa, and Wichita.

If American plans on adding PHX-CVG nonstop service, it could add American Eagle PHX-CVG nonstop service since CVG is only 1563 miles east of PHX and since the PHX-CVG nonstop route is within the range of American Eagle's E-175 regional jets. American Eagle does operate some routes that are almost as long as the PHX-CVG nonstop route on E-175 regional jets, including MIA-MSP (which is 1501 miles), DFW-YUL (which is 1508 miles), and DFW-YYC (which is 1521 miles). If American plans on serving CVG nonstop from PHX, would AA add nonstop mainline flights between PHX and CVG, or would AA add American Eagle nonstop flights between PHX and CVG?

Southwest could add nonstop service from PHX to CVG since there are business travelers in Greater Phoenix who prefer to fly Southwest over other airlines, since CVG is a key destination for some of the business travelers based in Greater Phoenix, and since Southwest would be able to provide connections from CVG to Southern California destinations through PHX if it added PHX-CVG nonstop service.

It's not a very large market, the yields suck and it's a long route (read expensive to operate). There's a reason DL dropped it and AA also hasn't touched it. We have the equivalent of 1x daily flights worth of seats and that's about all the market can bear. The business ties also aren't compelling (Coldstone Creamery? Really?)
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Tue Aug 29, 2017 7:44 pm

jplatts wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Looks as if nothing for CVG, but at least CMH got CUN


If American plans on adding PHX-CVG nonstop service, it could add American Eagle PHX-CVG nonstop service since CVG is only 1563 miles east of PHX and since the PHX-CVG nonstop route is within the range of American Eagle's E-175 regional jets. American Eagle does operate some routes that are almost as long as the PHX-CVG nonstop route on E-175 regional jets, including MIA-MSP (which is 1501 miles), DFW-YUL (which is 1508 miles), and DFW-YYC (which is 1521 miles). If American plans on serving CVG nonstop from PHX, would AA add nonstop mainline flights between PHX and CVG, or would AA add American Eagle nonstop flights between PHX and CVG?

Southwest could add nonstop service from PHX to CVG since there are business travelers in Greater Phoenix who prefer to fly Southwest over other airlines, since CVG is a key destination for some of the business travelers based in Greater Phoenix, and since Southwest would be able to provide connections from CVG to Southern California destinations through PHX if it added PHX-CVG nonstop service.


I'm a little surprised DL isn't back on CVG-PHX, but it's served with F9 and G4. And, once again, WN has probably done the research and will probably add flights at CVG to other cities someday unless there's a big plot twist and things don't work out for them there (which, in the early going, sounds like it might be the case). That said, if I take flak for suggesting CMH-SEA might be more possible than ever with Amazon putting a major data center in town to go along with the two Prime warehouses which have popped up in the last couple years, Leslie's Swimming Pool Supplies isn't going to warrant CVG-PHX.

Does AA even operate E175s into/out of PHX?
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Wed Aug 30, 2017 1:33 am

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It's not a very large market (the CVG-PHX nonstop route), the yields suck and it's a long route (read expensive to operate). There's a reason DL dropped it and AA also hasn't touched it. We have the equivalent of 1x daily flights worth of seats and that's about all the market can bear. The business ties also aren't compelling (Coldstone Creamery? Really?)


Cold Stone Creamery used to use America West Airlines prior to the America West-US Airways merger, and there is an America West commercial featuring current Arizona Governor Doug Ducey on YouTube (which can be found at https://youtu.be/rbzPobQT6VA). Does Cold Stone Creamery still send any of its employees on AA, or does Cold Stone Creamery send their employees on Southwest Airlines or other airlines?

Even though PHX is a hub for AA, there are destinations that Southwest serves nonstop from PHX that AA does not serve nonstop from PHX, including BUF, MDW, CLE, DAL, HOU, SDF, BNA, MSY, OKC, RDU, TUL, and ICT, but AA does serve ORD, DFW, and IAH nonstop from PHX. There are business travelers who are based in Greater Phoenix who prefer to fly on Southwest over other airlines since Southwest has nonstop service from PHX to destinations that other airlines do not serve nonstop from PHX.

Southwest would also be able to connect travelers going to LAS, LAX, BUR, SNA, ONT, and SAN from CVG through PHX if Southwest added nonstop service from CVG to PHX, and LAX is the only Southern California destination that has daily nonstop service out of CVG. SAN only sees nonstop service from CVG on Sundays, Tuesdays, and Thursdays on Frontier, and the other Southern California airports do not have any nonstop service from CVG (even though DL did serve previously SNA nonstop from CVG).

Delta does not have a hub in PHX and Delta only has nonstop service to 7 of its hubs from PHX (SEA, LAX, SLC, MSP, DTW, ATL, and JFK). Delta cannot provide any connections to any non-Delta hub cities through PHX, whereas American and Southwest would be able to connect passengers to California and Nevada destinations from CVG through PHX if they added nonstop service to CVG from PHX. In my opinion, one of the reasons why DL dropped CVG-PHX nonstop service is that many travelers in Greater Phoenix prefer to fly on airlines other than Delta, and the connections to East Coast destinations that can be made through CVG can also be made through other cities on airlines other than Delta.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Wed Aug 30, 2017 1:57 am

jplatts wrote:
flyguy89 wrote:
It's not a very large market (the CVG-PHX nonstop route), the yields suck and it's a long route (read expensive to operate). There's a reason DL dropped it and AA also hasn't touched it. We have the equivalent of 1x daily flights worth of seats and that's about all the market can bear. The business ties also aren't compelling (Coldstone Creamery? Really?)


Cold Stone Creamery used to use America West Airlines prior to the America West-US Airways merger, and there is an America West commercial featuring current Arizona Governor Doug Ducey on YouTube (which can be found at https://youtu.be/rbzPobQT6VA). Does Cold Stone Creamery still send any of its employees on AA, or does Cold Stone Creamery send their employees on Southwest Airlines or other airlines?

Even though PHX is a hub for AA, there are destinations that Southwest serves nonstop from PHX that AA does not serve nonstop from PHX, including BUF, MDW, CLE, DAL, HOU, SDF, BNA, MSY, OKC, RDU, TUL, and ICT, but AA does serve ORD, DFW, and IAH nonstop from PHX. There are business travelers who are based in Greater Phoenix who prefer to fly on Southwest over other airlines since Southwest has nonstop service from PHX to destinations that other airlines do not serve nonstop from PHX.

Southwest would also be able to connect travelers going to LAS, LAX, BUR, SNA, ONT, and SAN from CVG through PHX if Southwest added nonstop service from CVG to PHX, and LAX is the only Southern California destination that has daily nonstop service out of CVG. SAN only sees nonstop service from CVG on Sundays, Tuesdays, and Thursdays on Frontier, and the other Southern California airports do not have any nonstop service from CVG (even though DL did serve previously SNA nonstop from CVG).

Delta does not have a hub in PHX and Delta only has nonstop service to 7 of its hubs from PHX (SEA, LAX, SLC, MSP, DTW, ATL, and JFK). Delta cannot provide any connections to any non-Delta hub cities through PHX, whereas American and Southwest would be able to connect passengers to California and Nevada destinations from CVG through PHX if they added nonstop service to CVG from PHX. In my opinion, one of the reasons why DL dropped CVG-PHX nonstop service is that many travelers in Greater Phoenix prefer to fly on airlines other than Delta, and the connections to East Coast destinations that can be made through CVG can also be made through other cities on airlines other than Delta.


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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Wed Aug 30, 2017 2:04 am

jplatts wrote:
flyguy89 wrote:
It's not a very large market (the CVG-PHX nonstop route), the yields suck and it's a long route (read expensive to operate). There's a reason DL dropped it and AA also hasn't touched it. We have the equivalent of 1x daily flights worth of seats and that's about all the market can bear. The business ties also aren't compelling (Coldstone Creamery? Really?)


Cold Stone Creamery used to use America West Airlines prior to the America West-US Airways merger, and there is an America West commercial featuring current Arizona Governor Doug Ducey on YouTube (which can be found at https://youtu.be/rbzPobQT6VA). Does Cold Stone Creamery still send any of its employees on AA, or does Cold Stone Creamery send their employees on Southwest Airlines or other airlines?



"There are at least 11 businesses based in Greater Phoenix that have a presence in the Greater Cincinnati, including Best Western, Cold Stone Creamery, DriveTime, Kona Grill, Leslie's Swimming Pool Supplies, Mobile Mini, Petsmart, P.F. Chang's, Republic Services, U-Haul, and University of Phoenix, and there is business travel from PHX to CVG with many Greater Phoenix-based businesses that have a presence in the Greater Cincinnati area and with Cincinnati-based Kroger operating Fry's Food Stores and Fry's Marketplace stores in the Greater Phoenix area."


I don't think you understand how business travel works, but I will try to explain...

Take a company like Mcdonalds, they have 14146 locations within the US, do you think Mcdonald's is flying employees daily to each and every location they own? No, that would be absurd...

A company having a "presence" in a city doesn't mean there is air travel. I can guarantee you that almost all of those companies you mentioned have to do very very little air travel to CVG. (or air travel in general) When you are looking for which companies fly to which cities, look for R&D and Corporate offices, instead of where they operate distribution centers and stores...
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Wed Aug 30, 2017 2:28 am

The article is not linked correctly, but WCPO put out a story about non-ticketed passengers possibly being allowed access to post-security facilities at CVG soon, apparently PIT is doing the same. I was under the impression that this was not allowed post-9/11, has something changed?
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Wed Aug 30, 2017 2:31 am

Midwestindy wrote:
jplatts wrote:
flyguy89 wrote:
It's not a very large market (the CVG-PHX nonstop route), the yields suck and it's a long route (read expensive to operate). There's a reason DL dropped it and AA also hasn't touched it. We have the equivalent of 1x daily flights worth of seats and that's about all the market can bear. The business ties also aren't compelling (Coldstone Creamery? Really?)


Cold Stone Creamery used to use America West Airlines prior to the America West-US Airways merger, and there is an America West commercial featuring current Arizona Governor Doug Ducey on YouTube (which can be found at https://youtu.be/rbzPobQT6VA). Does Cold Stone Creamery still send any of its employees on AA, or does Cold Stone Creamery send their employees on Southwest Airlines or other airlines?



"There are at least 11 businesses based in Greater Phoenix that have a presence in the Greater Cincinnati, including Best Western, Cold Stone Creamery, DriveTime, Kona Grill, Leslie's Swimming Pool Supplies, Mobile Mini, Petsmart, P.F. Chang's, Republic Services, U-Haul, and University of Phoenix, and there is business travel from PHX to CVG with many Greater Phoenix-based businesses that have a presence in the Greater Cincinnati area and with Cincinnati-based Kroger operating Fry's Food Stores and Fry's Marketplace stores in the Greater Phoenix area."


I don't think you understand how business travel works, but I will try to explain...

Take a company like Mcdonalds, they have 14146 locations within the US, do you think Mcdonald's is flying employees daily to each and every location they own? No, that would be absurd...

A company having a "presence" in a city doesn't mean there is air travel. I can guarantee you that almost all of those companies you mentioned have to do very very little air travel to CVG. (or air travel in general) When you are looking for which companies fly to which cities, look for R&D and Corporate offices, instead of where they operate distribution centers and stores...


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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Wed Aug 30, 2017 2:35 am

cvgComair wrote:
The article is not linked correctly, but WCPO put out a story about non-ticketed passengers possibly being allowed access to post-security facilities at CVG soon, apparently PIT is doing the same. I was under the impression that this was not allowed post-9/11, has something changed?


From what I read it's a pilot program that they are doing in PIT. Everybody, ticketed or not, would still have to go through security though. It could increase security lines significantly if it becomes a normal thing.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Wed Aug 30, 2017 3:00 am

cvgComair wrote:
The article is not linked correctly, but WCPO put out a story about non-ticketed passengers possibly being allowed access to post-security facilities at CVG soon, apparently PIT is doing the same. I was under the impression that this was not allowed post-9/11, has something changed?


I think PIT at one point was trying to get more people to the Airmall again and the best way to do that was to find a way to allow non-ticketed passengers past security.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:30 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
I don't think you understand how business travel works, but I will try to explain...

Take a company like Mcdonalds, they have 14146 locations within the US, do you think Mcdonald's is flying employees daily to each and every location they own? No, that would be absurd...

A company having a "presence" in a city doesn't mean there is air travel. I can guarantee you that almost all of those companies you mentioned have to do very very little air travel to CVG. (or air travel in general) When you are looking for which companies fly to which cities, look for R&D and Corporate offices, instead of where they operate distribution centers and stores...


McDonald's is headquartered in the Chicago Area, and I know that McDonald's definitely will not be flying employees daily to each and every location that they own. I also know that many of the individuals who work at a McDonald's restaurant will never have to travel to McDonald's corporate headquarters in Oak Brook, IL. On the other hand, there are some McDonald's employees who work at McDonald's headquarters in Oak Brook, IL who travel from Chicago to various places throughout the world since McDonald's is a global company that operates in the U.S., Canada, Mexico, Central America, South America, Europe, the Middle East, Northern Africa, South Africa, Asia, Australia, and New Zealand.

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