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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:07 pm

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OneJet launches MKE-CMH today and will use C48. Did they hook a jetway back up or are they taking them down an elevator or stairs to get to the plane?

cvgComair wrote:
DL is bringing back ERJ's to CVG next fall, looks like CVG-BOS/LGA to start. It is interesting that CVG is and has been for many years a 100% CRJ station.


ERJ-145s or E170s/E175s? Those sound like RP 175 routes.


I might be wrong, but I think Delta retired the 145s so it must be the E170s.
 
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Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:25 pm

This article points out Detroit for flights, I think this is going to be an EAS SkyWest CRJ-200 if it comes to fruition. http://wksu.org/post/youngstown-tries-a ... r#stream/0
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:26 pm

Cvgspotter15 wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
OneJet launches MKE-CMH today and will use C48. Did they hook a jetway back up or are they taking them down an elevator or stairs to get to the plane?

cvgComair wrote:
DL is bringing back ERJ's to CVG next fall, looks like CVG-BOS/LGA to start. It is interesting that CVG is and has been for many years a 100% CRJ station.


ERJ-145s or E170s/E175s? Those sound like RP 175 routes.


I might be wrong, but I think Delta retired the 145s so it must be the E170s.
All 145's are gone.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:33 pm

Cvgspotter15 wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
OneJet launches MKE-CMH today and will use C48. Did they hook a jetway back up or are they taking them down an elevator or stairs to get to the plane?

cvgComair wrote:
DL is bringing back ERJ's to CVG next fall, looks like CVG-BOS/LGA to start. It is interesting that CVG is and has been for many years a 100% CRJ station.


ERJ-145s or E170s/E175s? Those sound like RP 175 routes.


I might be wrong, but I think Delta retired the 145s so it must be the E170s.

It’s using SkyWest E175’s.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:03 pm

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john7165 wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
Answered my own question about the ticket counter position for OneJet:
https://twitter.com/columbusairport/sta ... 1646791680

One tiny little carveout at the DL counter.


On the new website, can you see where they post minutes from the BOD meetings?


No, they don't post the meeting minutes on the website. You'll still have to go here for them: http://columbusairports.com/about-us/bo ... directors/

@DeltaRules - I have no idea about how the operations are being handled with OneJet. Did you ever reach back out to your contact or hear any additional information on DL TATL?


I did a couple weeks ago and she hadn't heard anything to that point. The silence is frustrating. I'm flying out after Thanksgiving and will see if any familiar faces with DL at CMH are willing to volunteer anything.

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Cvgspotter15 wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
OneJet launches MKE-CMH today and will use C48. Did they hook a jetway back up or are they taking them down an elevator or stairs to get to the plane?

ERJ-145s or E170s/E175s? Those sound like RP 175 routes.


I might be wrong, but I think Delta retired the 145s so it must be the E170s.

It’s using SkyWest E175’s.


Gotcha- when you said "ERJ" I thought you meant 145 and didn't know if somebody else was going to start flying them for DL.

flymco753 wrote:
This article points out Detroit for flights, I think this is going to be an EAS SkyWest CRJ-200 if it comes to fruition. http://wksu.org/post/youngstown-tries-a ... r#stream/0


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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:08 pm

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cvgComair wrote:
Cvgspotter15 wrote:

I might be wrong, but I think Delta retired the 145s so it must be the E170s.

It’s using SkyWest E175’s.


Gotcha- when you said "ERJ" I thought you meant 145 and didn't know if somebody else was going to start flying them for DL.

Sorry about the confusion! I did not even think about ERJ being taken as a 145 since DL already retired them.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Wed Nov 01, 2017 11:33 pm

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Greetings from the Mahoning Valley. Wanted to share some articles on YNG:

Youngstown Business Journal: Southern Airways Wants to Guage Interest in Service
http://businessjournaldaily.com/souther ... r-service/

WKSU: Youngstown Tries To Attract New Carrier
http://wksu.org/post/youngstown-tries-a ... ir-carrier

Warren Tribune Chronicle: Life Aftee Allegiant Leaves Airport in January
http://www.tribtoday.com/news/business/ ... n-january/

A few points I found interesting:
The past several months local airport officials have been in talks with Southern Airways Express, a Memphis-based airline that has shown interest in launching commercial service in the Valley. In September, Mark Cestari, Southern’s executive vice president for business development, said the airline sees the Youngstown-Warren market as a good fit and flights could start early next year.

The port authority is looking to set up a town-hall-type meeting next month to gauge potential community support for the carrier.

A large part of the market would be geared toward business travelers. Southern would fly a nine-passenger Cessna Caravan from the local airport. The company is also looking at the possibility of basing aircraft at Vienna.

Potential destinations could include Baltimore or Pittsburgh. Cestari said service would be based on demand and passenger willingness to pay fares.

The airline, founded in 2013, proposed putting together a 90-day launch plan to see how the service takes off.

Earlier this month, Dickten, Moliterno and Mike Mooney, aviation consultant for the local airport, met with several airlines while attending the Volaire Aviation Air Service Development Forum in Pasco, Washington. Mooney, of Denver, is a partner with Volaire Aviation Consulting.

SkyWest Airlines, which has code-share agreements with all three network carriers, is also up for consideration, Dickten said. He noted the local airport is particularly interested in SkyWest’s United Express connection service. Destinations could include Chicago, New York and Washington.

Other airlines include United Airlines, which has code-share with SkyWest; Sun Country Airlines, which could be a comparable replacement for Allegiant that also provides service to leisure destinations; and Ultimate Jet Express, an on-demand charter service.


It's great to see Southern finally talk about entering Ohio. I would like to think they'd try YNG-BWI even though it would be a bit of a long flight for a passenger in the Caravan. My question with YNG-PIT viability is the drive is short and easy. Easier than, say, DTW-FNT or DAY-CVG. Not sure many people in the Mahoning Valley would use it.

I can't see why they don't take a shot at CMH-PIT and CLE-PIT or CAK-PIT as well at some point. We'll see.

I’d imagine when they hold their forum they will receive resistance to the prospect of flights to PIT. BWI or DTW would be welcome I believe IF they have an interline. I know they were talking about interline service with American. Does anyone know if that went anywhere???
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Wed Nov 01, 2017 11:35 pm

flymco753 wrote:
This article points out Detroit for flights, I think this is going to be an EAS SkyWest CRJ-200 if it comes to fruition. http://wksu.org/post/youngstown-tries-a ... r#stream/0

YNG doesn’t qualify for EAS...would have to be at risk as I’m sure DL won’t pay for it.
 
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Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:57 am

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flymco753 wrote:
This article points out Detroit for flights, I think this is going to be an EAS SkyWest CRJ-200 if it comes to fruition. http://wksu.org/post/youngstown-tries-a ... r#stream/0

YNG doesn’t qualify for EAS...would have to be at risk as I’m sure DL won’t pay for it.
I don't see DL paying for it, the money would have to come from somewhere else. Another article about ROA says they're trying to get local businesses to help fund the DTW flight they're looking for, YNG could essentially do the same thing if the support is there, a direct link would make for easy connections to Asia and Europe.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:22 am

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DL is bringing back ERJ's to CVG next fall, looks like CVG-BOS/LGA to start. It is interesting that CVG is and has been for many years a 100% CRJ station.

Simply not true. DL ERJs have been around CVG for most of the past decade.

DL phased the ERJ-145's out starting in late 2015 and since then no routes have had scheduled ERJ service from CVG. They put a few ad-hoc weeks of a ERJ-145 on some routes into 2016, but most of the year plus 2017 were ERJ free and up until now, 2018 would have been the same way. Pretty odd given the flights DL operates through CVG that no routes currently or in the past few years, have been operated by ERJ's. Even before that, ERJ always made up a very small percentage of DL's CVG ops.



You're right. But 2015 was not "many years ago," nor was it ever close to 100% CRJ.
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Thu Nov 02, 2017 1:33 pm

Pulled top markets for F9 for July, pretty big jump up to 4th for CVG!

Rank, City, Departures, Seats, LF
1. Denver, CO (DEN), 2138, 392550, 90%
2. Orlando, FL (MCO), 772, 146900, 88%
3. Las Vegas, NV (LAS), 597, 110930, 85%
4. Cincinnati, OH (CVG), 427, 77460, 88%
5. Cleveland, OH (CLE), 372, 76680, 86%
6. Philadelphia, PA (PHL), 370, 64070, 89%
7. Atlanta, GA (ATL), 370, 59190, 89%
8. Chicago, IL (ORD), 277, 55130, 91%
9. Phoenix, AZ (PHX), 247, 43660, 88%
10. Los Angeles, CA (LAX), 204, 36180, 91%
...Some other midwest markets...
18. St. Louis, MO (STL), 137, 28020, 92%
29. Columbus, OH (CMH), 93, 15780, 82%
30. Pittsburgh, PA (PIT), 80, 14310, 80%
34. Indianapolis, IN (IND), 67, 11210, 91%
36. Kansas City, MO (MCI), 66, 10950, 89%
37. Nashville, TN (BNA), 70, 10,860","9,777",90%
 
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Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:31 pm

As I see it Delta's possible new flights/cities from CMH are limited. LAS possible but not probable. SLC maybe when new SLC terminal is completed, SEA. Int'l connections and Europe AMS or CDG. The later 2 are the best possibilities but if Delta procrastinates AS could jump on SEA and WOW or another low cost carrier could start int'l service. The ball is in Deltas court if they truly want to expand their base in CMH
 
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Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:11 am

Apparently Amazon might be looking to have up to 15,000 employees at CVG. Just for comparison, FedEx only has 7,000 in MEM and CVG only has a total of approximately 9,000 currently. I would love to know what kind of sorting facility/operation they are planning that is going to require that many employees. Kentucky is already spending a lot of money on road improvements surrounding CVG to accommodate all the new employees and Amazon trucks, if only it could progress faster :-).

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Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:53 am

Amazon locating HQ2 in Cincy would just make sense. Imagine what that would do for legacy air service demand.
 
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Sat Nov 04, 2017 4:14 am

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Amazon locating HQ2 in Cincy would just make sense. Imagine what that would do for legacy air service demand.

Regardless of what happens with HQ2, Cincinnati is going to be a major city for Amazon. We are already getting over $1.5 billion in investments and it now appears there will be roughly 20,000 Amazon employees in the area once the hub is up and running. Amazon is already planning on running the airline operation from offices in Cincinnati, as they are already moving into the old Comair headquarters, plus I don't think its long before Amazon directly takes over Atlas/ABX or gets its own operating certificate. I imagine they will only continue to need more employees.

As far as HQ2, I do wonder if the benefit of having unified operations with their cargo hub could attract Amazon. I know NKY, Cincy, and Dayton submitted a joint bid, which would help with incentives. The benefit of Amazon being strong in the region might be enough to overcome some issues Cincinnati has with higher education, flight options, and public transportation, the two latter of which could surely be addressed if Amazon were to come here. (I am sure DL would have no problems satisfying Amazon's demand by growing flights at CVG, especially as they look to increase market share in SEA). Personally, I think the lack of tech talent in the area is going to be the killing factor for Cincinnati, there are many organizations working to improve this, but the lack of strong higher education in the area is a huge drawback.

I have no clue how much the Amazon hub would influence the HQ2 decision, but we at least know that Amazon is now familiar with the Cincinnati area and is willing to make very large investments here.
 
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Sat Nov 04, 2017 5:28 am

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Personally, I think the lack of tech talent in the area is going to be the killing factor for Cincinnati, there are many organizations working to improve this, but the lack of strong higher education in the area is a huge drawback.

I have no clue how much the Amazon hub would influence the HQ2 decision, but we at least know that Amazon is now familiar with the Cincinnati area and is willing to make very large investments here.

I think you hit the nail on the head there. Even accounting for transfers, I don't think there's any way the tri-state area has the talent base to absorb 50,000 tech jobs unfortunately...there are really only a handful of cities that can.
 
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Sat Nov 04, 2017 4:52 pm

Ohio's relationship with Amazon is interesting because, to go along with what cvgComair described, there are the two Prime warehouses in and a huge data center coming to the Columbus area. The roots are there, it's just a question of if one or the other actually gets the prize.

Amazon explicitly pointed out having no interest in "places like Gary, IN or Dayton, OH", so the Cincinnati/Dayton alliance is an interesting one to me. I figure the only way Dayton gets any benefit is if they stick it somewhere between the 75/675 split and 275, development which would probably once and for all unite them as a "twin cities" much in the DFW or MSP vein, though what I read indicates it would be Cincinnati area and Newport, KY, so it might be more Cincy-centered.

That said, the cynic in me figures they're going to go somewhere boring and predictable like New York, Los Angeles, or Chicago.

cvgComair wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
It’s using SkyWest E175’s.


Gotcha- when you said "ERJ" I thought you meant 145 and didn't know if somebody else was going to start flying them for DL.

Sorry about the confusion! I did not even think about ERJ being taken as a 145 since DL already retired them.


No problem- I was hoping they'd signed on with EV or somebody else to bring 145s back into DCI flying because I'd take an ERJ-145 over a CRJ-200 seven days a week.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:39 pm

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Ohio's relationship with Amazon is interesting because, to go along with what cvgComair described, there are the two Prime warehouses in and a huge data center coming to the Columbus area. The roots are there, it's just a question of if one or the other actually gets the prize.

Amazon explicitly pointed out having no interest in "places like Gary, IN or Dayton, OH", so the Cincinnati/Dayton alliance is an interesting one to me. I figure the only way Dayton gets any benefit is if they stick it somewhere between the 75/675 split and 275, development which would probably once and for all unite them as a "twin cities" much in the DFW or MSP vein, though what I read indicates it would be Cincinnati area and Newport, KY, so it might be more Cincy-centered.

My interpretation is that Dayton realizes it has no chance on its own, so they are aligning with Cincinnati/NKY, knowing that some employees will commute to Cincinnati for work. I guess they are willing to put money/incentives forward to get Amazon in my region and my understanding is that they got to include a few sites in Dayton as possible locations for the headquarters. However, the main focus in the Cincinnati bid is locating the headquarters either downtown Cincy or near the airport about where Toyota was located. All in all, the fact that Cincy and NKY are working together is probably a lot more important than the DAY addition.

I think it is probably going to end up being ATL, but finalists should be announced this Winter. It will be interesting to see what they are thinking.
 
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Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:27 pm

CRAA September Board Meeting minutes are out. Highlights:
-CMH was up overall in August 4.3%, 42 straight months of growth. Irma caused cancellations on flights to IAH and Florida.
-WN, DL, F9, and AC grew at CMH. G4 continued to grow at LCK.
-UA and AA are at YOY losses for the year.
-No mention of TATL, though a) that committee doesn't meet again until this month and b) there was no mention of OneJet, either. Keep in mind these come out a month after the meeting.
-Cathay, Cargolux, Etihad, and Emirates saw growth on the cargo side, with Cargolux being the leading exporter. Those four have taken a massive chunk of the market share from U5 and FX, though the domestic carriers have grown as well.

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Sun Nov 05, 2017 12:05 am

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That said, the cynic in me figures they're going to go somewhere boring and predictable like New York, Los Angeles, or Chicago.

Exactly what I've thought all along. Though they seem specifically intent on geographical diversity, so I'm not sure LA is in the running if that's the case. I think we can probably expect Chicago, Detroit, Boston, Philadelphia, Washington DC or Atlanta...other close but less likely contenders IMO would be Raleigh, Charlotte and Pittsburgh. But yes, I think if people are expecting something bold/different from this site selection process they'll be disappointed...would love to be proven wrong though.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:55 pm

Looks like G4 is dropping CVG/PIT/RDU-SJU, no surprise given the hurricane damage and subsequent downturn in demand.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:01 pm

flyguy89 wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
That said, the cynic in me figures they're going to go somewhere boring and predictable like New York, Los Angeles, or Chicago.

Exactly what I've thought all along. Though they seem specifically intent on geographical diversity, so I'm not sure LA is in the running if that's the case. I think we can probably expect Chicago, Detroit, Boston, Philadelphia, Washington DC or Atlanta...other close but less likely contenders IMO would be Raleigh, Charlotte and Pittsburgh. But yes, I think if people are expecting something bold/different from this site selection process they'll be disappointed...would love to be proven wrong though.


On the list you have provided, your second tier is far more likely. Raleigh, Pittsburgh, and Charlotte or somewhere nearby would all seem to be locations that would fit the Amazon model pretty closely. I really do not think you will see the usual suspects you mentioned as your first tier because of space, cost, taxes, competition, etc. It is going to be very interesting to see how this pans out, along with the other big corporate campus placement efforts that are ongoing.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:19 pm

Hearing rumblings of a new domestic service announcement at CMH tomorrow. Unclear if it's a new airline, new destination, or a combination thereof.

Gentlemen, start your speculation. I'd figure it's not WN because there was nothing in their schedule add last week. Does anybody have announcements on a Wednesday?
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:38 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
Hearing rumblings of a new domestic service announcement at CMH tomorrow. Unclear if it's a new airline, new destination, or a combination thereof.

Gentlemen, start your speculation. I'd figure it's not WN because there was nothing in their schedule add last week. Does anybody have announcements on a Wednesday?


Spirit is announcing CMH tomorrow along with MKE...
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:41 pm

Oh please be someone nonstop to SEA. Preferably AS (maybe together with VX to SFO ala IND?) or DL.
 
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Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:45 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
Hearing rumblings of a new domestic service announcement at CMH tomorrow. Unclear if it's a new airline, new destination, or a combination thereof.

Gentlemen, start your speculation. I'd figure it's not WN because there was nothing in their schedule add last week. Does anybody have announcements on a Wednesday?


Spirit is announcing CMH tomorrow along with MKE...
Also am hearing about a possible DTW add by NK so it must be Spirit but it wouldn't be to either of those cities.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:58 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
Hearing rumblings of a new domestic service announcement at CMH tomorrow. Unclear if it's a new airline, new destination, or a combination thereof.

Gentlemen, start your speculation. I'd figure it's not WN because there was nothing in their schedule add last week. Does anybody have announcements on a Wednesday?


Spirit is announcing CMH tomorrow along with MKE...


Did you see this somewhere or just heard from someone you trust?
 
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Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:40 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
Hearing rumblings of a new domestic service announcement at CMH tomorrow. Unclear if it's a new airline, new destination, or a combination thereof.

Gentlemen, start your speculation. I'd figure it's not WN because there was nothing in their schedule add last week. Does anybody have announcements on a Wednesday?


Spirit is announcing CMH tomorrow along with MKE...


Did you see this somewhere or just heard from someone you trust?


Not sure if this was meant for myself or Indy, but my info came from a connected person who got OneJet at CMH right.
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Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:44 pm

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Jshank83 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:

Spirit is announcing CMH tomorrow along with MKE...


Did you see this somewhere or just heard from someone you trust?


Not sure if this was meant for myself or Indy, but my info came from a connected person who got OneJet at CMH right.


It was for Indy since he said the markets but I appreciate your insight also. Thanks!
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:47 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:

Spirit is announcing CMH tomorrow along with MKE...


Did you see this somewhere or just heard from someone you trust?


Not sure if this was meant for myself or Indy, but my info came from a connected person who got OneJet at CMH right.


Well that is exciting news. Not as dramatic as AS and the potential of SEA, but it is a start. I think F9 wobbling on some of their routes here has created an opportunity to generate some low cost travel demand out of CMH, especially if they undercut WN fares and offer a more robust service than Allegiant at LCK. I would assume they will end up in C with DL? unless they add gate 36 back and put them at the end of B.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:19 pm

brooklynchris13 wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:

Did you see this somewhere or just heard from someone you trust?


Not sure if this was meant for myself or Indy, but my info came from a connected person who got OneJet at CMH right.


Well that is exciting news. Not as dramatic as AS and the potential of SEA, but it is a start. I think F9 wobbling on some of their routes here has created an opportunity to generate some low cost travel demand out of CMH, especially if they undercut WN fares and offer a more robust service than Allegiant at LCK. I would assume they will end up in C with DL? unless they add gate 36 back and put them at the end of B.


Again, my friend doesn't have specifics on who it is (their hope was AS), but the feeling upthread was that it's NK. The only thoretical options would be A1 (no jetway, I think WN uses it as a hard stand and can't believe they haven't added a gate there to be honest), B36 (no jetway), C46 (connects to FIS), and C47 (only used by Vacation Express right now for CUN and PUJ).

I'm eager to see J1's setup at CMH. They advertise using C48 but there's no jetway there and taking people to the plane via the elevator between it and the Starbucks is a bit circuitous. The pictures on Facebook appeared to show them using C47's podium, so they might have a "jetway with a boarding ramp" setup which takes them to the ramp and to the plane.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Wed Nov 08, 2017 5:17 am

brooklynchris13 wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:

Did you see this somewhere or just heard from someone you trust?


Not sure if this was meant for myself or Indy, but my info came from a connected person who got OneJet at CMH right.


Well that is exciting news. Not as dramatic as AS and the potential of SEA, but it is a start. I think F9 wobbling on some of their routes here has created an opportunity to generate some low cost travel demand out of CMH, especially if they undercut WN fares and offer a more robust service than Allegiant at LCK. I would assume they will end up in C with DL? unless they add gate 36 back and put them at the end of B.


Spirit, eh? So the Bare Fare ™ arrives in CMH (or LCK, maybe? :stirthepot: )

A bit disappointed it's not AS or something international, but beggars can't be choosers.

I wonder what kind of routes they aim to serve from Columbus? The usual suspects of MCO, TPA, RSW, FLL, and MYR are already well served from the local market and existing close-by markets. Do they really see themselves as being able to carve out a profitable niche in these segments? Could it scare G4 into leaving the market or maybe even moving to CMH? Or will Spirit instead maybe try to skim the top off of large hub markets, such as IAH, DFW, and MSP? Or will they even go long-haul and do a SEA, PDX, SAN combo? I guess we'll see tomorrow.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:23 pm

flyCMH wrote:
brooklynchris13 wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:

Not sure if this was meant for myself or Indy, but my info came from a connected person who got OneJet at CMH right.


Well that is exciting news. Not as dramatic as AS and the potential of SEA, but it is a start. I think F9 wobbling on some of their routes here has created an opportunity to generate some low cost travel demand out of CMH, especially if they undercut WN fares and offer a more robust service than Allegiant at LCK. I would assume they will end up in C with DL? unless they add gate 36 back and put them at the end of B.


Spirit, eh? So the Bare Fare ™ arrives in CMH (or LCK, maybe? :stirthepot: )

A bit disappointed it's not AS or something international, but beggars can't be choosers.

I wonder what kind of routes they aim to serve from Columbus? The usual suspects of MCO, TPA, RSW, FLL, and MYR are already well served from the local market and existing close-by markets. Do they really see themselves as being able to carve out a profitable niche in these segments? Could it scare G4 into leaving the market or maybe even moving to CMH? Or will Spirit instead maybe try to skim the top off of large hub markets, such as IAH, DFW, and MSP? Or will they even go long-haul and do a SEA, PDX, SAN combo? I guess we'll see tomorrow.


I wondered about LCK as well. I don't know how much counter space is open there presently (the only time I've ever been in the terminal, it was Pan Am and Hooters), but it seems as though G4 only uses one gate, which would mean the other would be open. CMH is running out of room at the Inn unless they have some sort of short-term plan to add a couple more gates to hold over until the new terminal opens sometime in the 2030s.

FLL, as I've been saying for a while, would make sense for onward Southbound connections, but all the others are seemingly adequately covered. It might begin to look like CVG, with the difference being CVG only has two of the ULCCs and Columbus would have all three.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Wed Nov 08, 2017 2:26 pm

I went to NK's Twitter account and LCK's Twitter was under the "mutual followers you know"...
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Wed Nov 08, 2017 2:28 pm

CMH does have space to grow - provided they re-establish gates where they've removed jetways (B36, C48), as well as installing a jetway at A1. Also, while they removed B33 and built restrooms in its place, they could always split B34 into two gates in the same manner as B22/24/26 all using a single door in the terminal.

As for LCK - that terminal is cute and everything, but I fail to see the appeal of flying out of a place with essentially zero amenities, and lackluster accessibility.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Wed Nov 08, 2017 2:47 pm

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CMH does have space to grow - provided they re-establish gates where they've removed jetways (B36, C48), as well as installing a jetway at A1. Also, while they removed B33 and built restrooms in its place, they could always split B34 into two gates in the same manner as B22/24/26 all using a single door in the terminal.

As for LCK - that terminal is cute and everything, but I fail to see the appeal of flying out of a place with essentially zero amenities, and lackluster accessibility.


So what you're saying is it's perfect for NK. :duck:

More seriously, though, CMH would be preferred but G4 has gone gangbusters at LCK. If you've got somebody who's on a budget and just wants to travel, amenities be damned (as seems to be the NK model), LCK could work. There are a bunch of fast-food places at the Alum Creek exit off 270 if somebody wants to eat before they go.

You've got a really good point on a "relocated" B33 with a double jetway- C52/53 are that way as well. They might even be able to do that somehow with B36, as there are two lines there, or just park two planes there and swing the jetway over once the plane on the left (as seen from above) pushes back- that's what NW did at 35 and 36. They could rebrand it B36 and B37 if they really wanted to.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Wed Nov 08, 2017 2:54 pm

CMH's twitter account:

"John Glenn Intl
‏Verified account @columbusairport
4 minutes ago

NEWS coming this morning between 10-10:30: A domestic airline will announce plans to enter the #Columbus market with service to multiple destinations!! Stay tuned."

Link: https://twitter.com/columbusairport/sta ... 8522729472
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:02 pm

While I'd much rather have AS or B6, I'll take NK. More options are always great. Hopefully they announce at least one western route (LAS or LAX maybe?). Also, add me to the list who just doesn't "get" LCK, I wish G4 would move to CMH and leave Rickenbacker solely for cargo/charters.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:02 pm

I'm placing my bets on CMH getting MCO, TPA, RSW, MYR and FLL and most possibly MSY.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:05 pm

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I'm placing my bets on CMH getting MCO, TPA, RSW, MYR and FLL and most possibly MSY.

Could we possibly see more routes get announced besides the CMH and rumored MKE additions?
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:05 pm

Press release is out: http://ir.spirit.com/releasedetail.cfm? ... ID=1047803

Orlando (MCO) February 15, 2018 Daily, year-round
Fort Lauderdale (FLL) February 15, 2018 Daily, year-round
Las Vegas (LAS) February 15, 2018 Daily, year-round
Tampa (TPA) February 15, 2018 Daily, seasonal (ends 4/11/18, resumes 11/8/18
Fort Myers (RSW) February 15, 2018 Daily, seasonal (ends 4/11/18, resumes 11/8/18
New Orleans (MSY) March 22, 2018 3x weekly, seasonal (3/22/18 to 11/7/18)
Myrtle Beach (MYR) March 22, 2018 4x weekly, seasonal (3/23/18 to 11/7/18)
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:10 pm

cvgComair wrote:
Press release is out: http://ir.spirit.com/releasedetail.cfm? ... ID=1047803

Orlando (MCO) February 15, 2018 Daily, year-round
Fort Lauderdale (FLL) February 15, 2018 Daily, year-round
Las Vegas (LAS) February 15, 2018 Daily, year-round
Tampa (TPA) February 15, 2018 Daily, seasonal (ends 4/11/18, resumes 11/8/18
Fort Myers (RSW) February 15, 2018 Daily, seasonal (ends 4/11/18, resumes 11/8/18
New Orleans (MSY) March 22, 2018 3x weekly, seasonal (3/22/18 to 11/7/18)
Myrtle Beach (MYR) March 22, 2018 4x weekly, seasonal (3/23/18 to 11/7/18)


I'll take 'em all, more choices...IMO, tho, the only "good" adds are LAS and MSY.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:23 pm

FLYKTPA wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
I'm placing my bets on CMH getting MCO, TPA, RSW, MYR and FLL and most possibly MSY.

Could we possibly see more routes get announced besides the CMH and rumored MKE additions?
MKE would've been announced in the press release, maybe they aren't getting Spirit today, other than that I think they'll save places like AUS, RDU, BNA, for a winter announcement and spring start because most of what those stations could hypothetically get are northern stations like DTW and ORD.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:24 pm

Holy crap, that's a big launch out of the gate. The only unique route is CMH-MYR (and, all of a sudden, there are three Columbus-MSY options in two years), but more choice is always welcome. Glad to have them here.

And after all that time feeling left out, all of a sudden, CMH has two new airlines announced in a little over a month (J1, NK).
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:42 pm

flymco753 wrote:
FLYKTPA wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
I'm placing my bets on CMH getting MCO, TPA, RSW, MYR and FLL and most possibly MSY.

Could we possibly see more routes get announced besides the CMH and rumored MKE additions?
MKE would've been announced in the press release, maybe they aren't getting Spirit today, other than that I think they'll save places like AUS, RDU, BNA, for a winter announcement and spring start because most of what those stations could hypothetically get are northern stations like DTW and ORD.

Maybe MKE will be announced later this week or next week. Has NK ever announced two new stations at the same time?
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:43 pm

I posted in the announcement thread but will share here as well. I think the destinations chosen means this is Spirt trying to take on F9 and somewhat G4. This very well may be a ULCC death match for the CMH market and it is going to be very interesting to see how it plays out. If F9 had really made a stronger effort and not dropped LAS, I do not think Spirit would have started so strongly. But here we are. Going to be very interesting to see how this plays out in the next few months/years. Great idea BTW about the double gates at B34 and B35. I could also seem them getting C48 and C49 (provided they reinstall a jet bridge)
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:58 pm

brooklynchris13 wrote:
I posted in the announcement thread but will share here as well. I think the destinations chosen means this is Spirt trying to take on F9 and somewhat G4. This very well may be a ULCC death match for the CMH market and it is going to be very interesting to see how it plays out. If F9 had really made a stronger effort and not dropped LAS, I do not think Spirit would have started so strongly. But here we are. Going to be very interesting to see how this plays out in the next few months/years. Great idea BTW about the double gates at B34 and B35. I could also seem them getting C48 and C49 (provided they reinstall a jet bridge)


I think F9 is the very weak link here.

You're thinking C47 and C48. C49 was a WN/B6/FL gate and DL set up shop there recently. They started at C52-56, added 51 for NW, then used 50 for RONs and early flights and now have signage at 49. They have almost the entire concourse except, ironically, for their original C gates (46-48)!
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:24 am

Briancw wrote:
CMH's twitter account:

"John Glenn Intl
‏Verified account @columbusairport
4 minutes ago

NEWS coming this morning between 10-10:30: A domestic airline will announce plans to enter the #Columbus market with service to multiple destinations!! Stay tuned."

Link: https://twitter.com/columbusairport/sta ... 8522729472


This is great news! Obviously, AS to SEA would've been nice, but I think NK saw how well Allegiant was doing, combined with F9 backing off, and figured it was worth jumping in. Good luck to them. Personally, I'm not a big fan of Myrtle Beach (I prefer FLL), but based off of what I know of the central Ohio region, the CMH-MYR route should prove very popular.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:49 am

I just noticed that NK will essentially have five destinations year-round, as MSY and MYR are immediately replaced by TPA and RSW. If the schedule repeats in 2019, there'll be about a two week gap between the end of the Florida flights and resumption of MSY and MYR.

NoTime wrote:
Briancw wrote:
CMH's twitter account:

"John Glenn Intl
‏Verified account @columbusairport
4 minutes ago

NEWS coming this morning between 10-10:30: A domestic airline will announce plans to enter the #Columbus market with service to multiple destinations!! Stay tuned."

Link: https://twitter.com/columbusairport/sta ... 8522729472


This is great news! Obviously, AS to SEA would've been nice, but I think NK saw how well Allegiant was doing, combined with F9 backing off, and figured it was worth jumping in. Good luck to them. Personally, I'm not a big fan of Myrtle Beach (I prefer FLL), but based off of what I know of the central Ohio region, the CMH-MYR route should prove very popular.


Myrtle Beach and Hilton Head are very popular in Southeast Ohio. I grew up East of Columbus and remember friends talking about randomly running into people they knew while in Myrtle Beach with no knowledge the others were there.

I can see both G4 and NK making MYR work. Those and G4's SAV could print money in the Summer. The only obstacle would be people who preferred to drive but, as long as oil doesn't creep up much more, you could make the argument flying would be cheaper if you hit the fares right.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:59 am

So rumor has it American will be going to B, and Southwest will take American’s gates. I don’t know why Southwest needs those. Maybe they will announce an expansion in early 2018 because that would line up nicely with the new acquisitions, and it is after 6 months of service. I am guessing they will not take A15 however, that lone straggler old US Airways gate the MD-83 usually parks in. It just seems inconvenient to me. So that leads Gate A1, A2, and A15 for new airlines which is plenty of space to me. Where do you think American will go in B? Possibly the end of the long end. It would make sense since almost all the vendors down there closed, and a lot of the new vendors could fill the vacant spots since there are practically none open. Also where do you guys think WOW will go at B? I think it has to be in B1-B14 due to customs.

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