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Tomdresden
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Wetlease costs of regional aircrafts

Sat Jan 07, 2017 12:06 pm

I wan't to found a regional airline based in Germany with about 1-2 aircarfts.
I think the best and cheapest way is wetlease. But it's not easy to find any information about the costs for this aircrafts:
ATR 42-500/600
Saab 340/2000
EMB 120
DHC-200/300
CRJ200
ERJ135/145

I plan on 6-8 flights (14-16 hours) a day for every aircraft. For me it's really important that the costs schouldn't be so high (because the fees at german airports are verry high).
 
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Re: Wetlease costs of regional aircrafts

Sat Jan 07, 2017 12:27 pm

Nothing cheap about wet leasing
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Re: Wetlease costs of regional aircrafts

Sat Jan 07, 2017 4:22 pm

There's absolutely nothing cheap about starting an airline. Regardless of how many aircraft you have, you also have the fixed costs of obtaining and maintaining an operating certificate with the German/European aviation authorities, dispatchers, reservations/ticketing capabilities, and even with wetlease you probably still have to have means of crew training/scheduling and maintenance abilities. There's a lot of overhead that you have to consider into your operating costs, which would in turn determine if your fares would even be viable.
I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day.
 
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Re: Wetlease costs of regional aircrafts

Sat Jan 07, 2017 5:05 pm

As noted above, wet leasing isn't cheap.

But if you want a price, contact an operator that does this kind of stuff. They deal with these price and information requests all the time.

For the ATR, try ASL Airlines or Danish Air Transport. If the -72 is also an option, then Etihad Regional / Darwin Airline has done this stuff in the past.
 
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Re: Wetlease costs of regional aircrafts

Sat Jan 07, 2017 5:47 pm

So it's cheaper to operate the aircrafts on our own?
 
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Re: Wetlease costs of regional aircrafts

Sat Jan 07, 2017 6:26 pm

Another armchair operator.
I recommend not to even think about starting operations if such questions need to be asked on a forum. But for regional airlines it's hard to make money these days without partner.
 
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Re: Wetlease costs of regional aircrafts

Sat Jan 07, 2017 6:50 pm

It's just more the idea of founding an airline. I have no job in the aircraft industry, I'm a media designer. But before I want to get an overview of the costs.
 
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Re: Wetlease costs of regional aircrafts

Sat Jan 07, 2017 6:57 pm

Well as the old saying goes:

"What's the quickest way to become a millionaire?
Be a billionaire and then start an airline!"

It's a tough old business. To make a go of it you need deep pockets and a lot of luck!
 
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Re: Wetlease costs of regional aircrafts

Sat Jan 07, 2017 11:20 pm

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Sat Jan 07, 2017 11:22 pm

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Re: Wetlease costs of regional aircrafts

Sat Jan 07, 2017 11:40 pm

What's the difference between wet leasing and chartering an aircraft to offer a public charter?
 
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Re: Wetlease costs of regional aircrafts

Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:41 pm

You really have to provide a lot more information regarding what part of the operation your company is going to cover. Who's responsible for the flight planning, crew transport/accommodation/training, per diems, airport/navigation charges, handling, catering, etc? All of this is stipulated in the contract and can vary greatly.

flybe and bmi regional are probably the carriers you would be looking for, they are among the most competitive in Europe for longterm wet leases of regional aircraft. Price ranges are very wide depending on your requirement. ERJ145 will start around €1200/hr (ACMI, no fuel, min. 200 block hr/month, >1y contract)
 
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Re: Wetlease costs of regional aircrafts

Sun Jan 08, 2017 2:16 pm

I thought about something like a "virtual airline" (Citywing for example). A other company operate the flights in the brand of "my" company.
 
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Re: Wetlease costs of regional aircrafts

Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:30 pm

If you are really serious, here is some advice. Get yourself a job in the airline industry, preferably in a management role. Gain experience. A lot. Build a network. Make a business plan. Look for investors (you really do not want to risk your own money in such a venture). Looking at the cost of wet leases is really one of the last things before starting the operation, aircraft will always be available at a decent competitive rate.
 
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Re: Wetlease costs of regional aircrafts

Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:19 am

I'm looking for that but it's not easy to find something (I'm a media designer). I was also looking for a flight attendant (I think this is an interesting job) but I can't do this (health aspects).
Last year I was involved in project founding an airline in Friedrichshafen but the project were stopped after VLM Airlines started flights there.

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