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NY Giants trash UA 767 charter plane last night.

Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:02 pm

Apparently the sore loser NY Giants trashed the interior of the chartered UA 767 while enroite GRB-JFK last night after they were completely out-played by the Packers. How does the more mature (?) coaching staff allow this to happen? Another example of entitled pro athletes I suppose. Too bad.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2017/01/09/ ... -airplane/
 
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Re: NY Giants trash UA 767 charter plane last night.

Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:18 pm

26point2 wrote:
Apparently the sore loser NY Giants trashed the interior of the chartered UA 767 while enroite GRB-JFK last night after they were completely out-played by the Packers. How does the more mature (?) coaching staff allow this to happen? Another example of entitled pro athletes I suppose. Too bad.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2017/01/09/ ... -airplane/


This isn't the First time this has happened. One of the Virgin A340's were damaged this year after the Bengals (I think) trashed one on the way back to Cincinnati in October last year.

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Re: NY Giants trash UA 767 charter plane last night.

Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:23 pm

From that article, it sounds like the players had quite the tantrum. It is more unfortunate that fare-paying passengers were delayed as a result of their child-like petulance - I'd be pretty annoyed if that had been my flight.

One question I do have is this: Given the emphasis put on flight safety, and the numerous incidents of airplanes diverting due to poor onboard behavior, why on earth were they allowed to behave so badly without any sort of repercussion? Was it because of their "celebrity" status? If so, that stinks.
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Re: NY Giants trash UA 767 charter plane last night.

Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:27 pm

What sore losers. There is no need to destroy a companies property. If I were UA and this is true I would drop the Giants as a client.
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Re: NY Giants trash UA 767 charter plane last night.

Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:38 pm

The least the Giants organization can do is issue a public apology. Pathetic.

I wonder if there were any FAA violations committed and if fines to the passengers/team are in order? Surely the crew didn't feel safe working under those conditions.
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Re: NY Giants trash UA 767 charter plane last night.

Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:42 pm

KLDC10 wrote:
One question I do have is this: Given the emphasis put on flight safety, and the numerous incidents of airplanes diverting due to poor onboard behavior, why on earth were they allowed to behave so badly without any sort of repercussion? Was it because of their "celebrity" status? If so, that stinks.


A couple of thoughts jump to mind:
1. We don't know specifically what happened on the plane or what behavior was displayed. While it certainly sounds like the plane needed a lot of cleaning and the team was very possibly not respectful about the plane's condition, some of these storied do get overhyped.
2. Outside of an actual safety situation, if UA diverts a charter of this type, they likely will lose future business from the Giants, the NFL, and/or other sports teams. They don't want to risk that.
 
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Re: NY Giants trash UA 767 charter plane last night.

Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:49 pm

dabpit wrote:
What sore losers. There is no need to destroy a companies property. If I were UA and this is true I would drop the Giants as a client.


I think they just send them the bill for fixing up the aircraft. It's not nice to trash a plane, but if they pay for it....
 
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Re: NY Giants trash UA 767 charter plane last night.

Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:55 pm

IMO, UA failure to deny the story speaks volumes.
 
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Re: NY Giants trash UA 767 charter plane last night.

Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:59 pm

ty97 wrote:
A couple of thoughts jump to mind:
1. We don't know specifically what happened on the plane or what behavior was displayed. While it certainly sounds like the plane needed a lot of cleaning and the team was very possibly not respectful about the plane's condition, some of these storied do get overhyped.
2. Outside of an actual safety situation, if UA diverts a charter of this type, they likely will lose future business from the Giants, the NFL, and/or other sports teams. They don't want to risk that.


1. You're right. We'll have to wait until more of the story comes out - although it does appear that damage was not limited to the plane, and that a separate incident is under investigation at Lambeau Field.

2. That's probably true, but I would hope that that wouldn't actually be a factor in choosing whether to divert a charter. If they have to divert, they have to divert, regardless of how important the passengers consider them to be. I'm not suggesting at all that the crew in question chose not to divert because of the status of their passengers, but I do wonder how that weighs into decision making on any such flight.
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Re: NY Giants trash UA 767 charter plane last night.

Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:02 pm

Hopefully, OBJ didn't punch any holes in the side of the plane.
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Re: NY Giants trash UA 767 charter plane last night.

Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:04 pm

At least we're talking about at least one New York jet come playoff time - HAH
 
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Re: NY Giants trash UA 767 charter plane last night.

Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:06 pm

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Hopefully, OBJ didn't punch any holes in the side of the plane.


He should have caught some more footballs and he wouldn't have had to worry about that...

Also the plane went to EWR
 
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Re: NY Giants trash UA 767 charter plane last night.

Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:11 pm

Why do they need a plane the size of a 767 to fly what...2 hours?
I suspect the team will receive an inflated repair/cleanup bill. The Giant team owners are so rich that it'll be petty cash.
 
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Re: NY Giants trash UA 767 charter plane last night.

Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:14 pm

dabpit wrote:
What sore losers. There is no need to destroy a companies property. If I were UA and this is true I would drop the Giants as a client.



Amen. And that's probably what will happen. Or give them an A319 and let them suck on that lollipop.
 
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Re: NY Giants trash UA 767 charter plane last night.

Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:14 pm

In case anyone is curious what a NFL charter is like from a flight attendant perspective read this trip report:

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Re: NY Giants trash UA 767 charter plane last night.

Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:17 pm

A CRJ700 would perfect to help the team members be less mobile about the cabin.
 
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Re: NY Giants trash UA 767 charter plane last night.

Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:23 pm

If they trashed the interior of a UA744, would anyone be able to tell? :smile:

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Re: NY Giants trash UA 767 charter plane last night.

Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:24 pm

UA should have been prepared for such scenario. Theeir greed is why customers were delayed.
 
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Re: NY Giants trash UA 767 charter plane last night.

Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:27 pm

bjorn14 wrote:
Hopefully, OBJ didn't punch any holes in the side of the plane.


With that miscalibrated radar of his last night I would not be too sure whether any of those punches would have connected ... :lol: :lol:
 
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Re: NY Giants trash UA 767 charter plane last night.

Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:30 pm

I hear from reliable sources the airplane was not deliberately 'trashed', and it was no dirtier than one would anticipate after a usual NFL charter. The problem is that the airplane wasn't fully cleaned after being swapped following only about 4 hours on the ground (0230 arrival) to cover for a broken N660UA, which was originally scheduled to operate UAL934.

The Giants coaches, staff and team ownership travel on the charter. There's no chance anything malicious would have been permitted. It is unfortunate, however, that customers were subjected to a dirty plane for their TATL flight.
 
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Re: NY Giants trash UA 767 charter plane last night.

Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:42 pm

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Why do they need a plane the size of a 767 to fly what...2 hours?


Because NFL teams have a 53 man roster, plus coaches, trainers, medical staff, equipment staff, team personnel and management. And, many of these people are not normal-human sized.
 
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Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:43 pm

PatrickZ80 wrote:
dabpit wrote:
What sore losers. There is no need to destroy a companies property. If I were UA and this is true I would drop the Giants as a client.


I think they just send them the bill for fixing up the aircraft. It's not nice to trash a plane, but if they pay for it....


"But if they pay for it...." Means what exactly? The behavior is acceptable? That UA should accept the damage? That UA pax were delayed from a revenue flight due to it? I suspect the NFL will levy a lofty fine against the team, on top of them paying restitution to the airline. Many professional athletes are prima donnas, and think the rules are different for them.
 
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Re: NY Giants trash UA 767 charter plane last night.

Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:46 pm

Are they sure the interior isn't the UA standard interior? In fact if they did do something they might have improved the condition of the cabin, this is UA we are talking about.
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Re: NY Giants trash UA 767 charter plane last night.

Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:47 pm

Skywatcher wrote:
Why do they need a plane the size of a 767 to fly what...2 hours?
I suspect the team will receive an inflated repair/cleanup bill. The Giant team owners are so rich that it'll be petty cash.


Most if not all pro teams use widebodies. 53 players, not sure how many coaches (10 or so I'd guess for various purposes, staff, sometimes family and press). I personally would punish the players by next year making them charter Spirit and see how many of those 300 pound linemen like what real world people do.
 
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Re: NY Giants trash UA 767 charter plane last night.

Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:54 pm

No "damage" to the airplane either...
 
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Re: NY Giants trash UA 767 charter plane last night.

Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:53 pm

The truth comes out - plane swap, no damage however the experts have already spoken. Typically after a football charter their is an occasional broken seat - just from shear size of players.
Having flown these charters I guarantee it was not deliberately trashed. Can't happen. UA should be apologizing to Giants if they don't want to lose other contracts.
 
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Re: NY Giants trash UA 767 charter plane last night.

Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:17 am

rampbro wrote:
Skywatcher wrote:
Why do they need a plane the size of a 767 to fly what...2 hours?


Because NFL teams have a 53 man roster, plus coaches, trainers, medical staff, equipment staff, team personnel and management. And, many of these people are not normal-human sized.

Don't forget that in addition to the 53 man active roster, coaches, and all the other people listed there is a 10 man practice squad roster that also travels with the team.
 
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Re: NY Giants trash UA 767 charter plane last night.

Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:23 am

What exactly does 'trashed' mean? Booze bottles left all around the cabin? Snacks ground into the carpet? In flight magazines on the floor? Was anything damaged or destroyed? How exactly was this worse than any other flight? I've been on some Florida-bound flights from New York that were very messy and FAs said the cabin was "trashed" but it did not appear that anything was broken or damaged.

As a Giants fan, the loss was pretty bad yesterday but there is zero excuse for damaging an airplane if that occurred. If the plane required 'extra cleaning,' I would be a bit more hesitant to call that trashed without knowing more about the situation. Sports charters are not known for being the cleanest of customers. Maybe UA shouldn't have had the aircraft scheduled for a UK flight so soon after the Giants charter.
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Re: NY Giants trash UA 767 charter plane last night.

Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:41 am

codc10 wrote:
I hear from reliable sources the airplane was not deliberately 'trashed', and it was no dirtier than one would anticipate after a usual NFL charter. The problem is that the airplane wasn't fully cleaned after being swapped following only about 4 hours on the ground (0230 arrival) to cover for a broken N660UA, which was originally scheduled to operate UAL934.

The Giants coaches, staff and team ownership travel on the charter. There's no chance anything malicious would have been permitted. It is unfortunate, however, that customers were subjected to a dirty plane for their TATL flight.


If it is not possible to clean a aircraft in four hours, than it is "trashed".
 
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Re: NY Giants trash UA 767 charter plane last night.

Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:46 am

737tanker wrote:
rampbro wrote:
Skywatcher wrote:
Why do they need a plane the size of a 767 to fly what...2 hours?


Because NFL teams have a 53 man roster, plus coaches, trainers, medical staff, equipment staff, team personnel and management. And, many of these people are not normal-human sized.

Don't forget that in addition to the 53 man active roster, coaches, and all the other people listed there is a 10 man practice squad roster that also travels with the team.


In addition, you have members of the press, and probably some corporate sponsors as well. I know college football carries a lot of boosters on the team flights.

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that each player gets 1.5 seats, so you need 80 seats for the 53 man roster. 95 if we include practice squad.
 
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Re: NY Giants trash UA 767 charter plane last night.

Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:54 am

Penn State absolutely trashed their 747 that they flew to the Rose Bowl a few weeks ago. The UA cleaners at LAX said it was the dirtiest they had ever seen a plane. I'm not able to post pictures, but it looked like one of those pictures of a plane going through EXTREME turbulence.
 
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Re: NY Giants trash UA 767 charter plane last night.

Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:59 am

Not trying to be salty here but I'd say I wouldn't be surprised to see this happen given what we saw last night at Lambaeu. Probably better practicing your catching a little bit before next season starts instead of doing this. Fairly good job overall this season by beating Dallas two times.
 
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Tue Jan 10, 2017 1:05 am

Delta Learned and now has a dedicated charter fleet of A319/20 now going to B757 for Charters. Using a line aircraft with short ground time for a revenue flight after the charter, requires a lot of logistics to get the airplane clean and stocked. Most Charters have NON Standard Catering and Beverage Supplies and they must be stripped prior to re-stocking with line branding.
 
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Tue Jan 10, 2017 1:12 am

Many years ago my company got fed up with the regular charter aircraft trashings and outrageous demands by a certain NFL team. We terminated the team contract, never looked back, and continued to provide charter service to numerous sports teams. It just was not worth the grief.
 
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Re: NY Giants trash UA 767 charter plane last night.

Tue Jan 10, 2017 1:28 am

Most charters, regardless of the client come back more filthy than regular flights. It's just the nature of the flight. The exception being military charters. The worst I've seen was a Jewish school charter from the Bahamas. Usually UA doesn't clean the aircraft right away, especially at 2am. If it was a last minute swap, and not cleaned before coming to the gate, two hours to clean a 767 would be reasonable after a charter. If they actually announced that they were cleaning up after the Giants, I find that extremely unprofessional. It's UA fault the aircraft wasn't ready, not whoever was on the previous flight.
 
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Re: NY Giants trash UA 767 charter plane last night.

Tue Jan 10, 2017 2:04 am

KLDC10 wrote:
From that article, it sounds like the players had quite the tantrum. It is more unfortunate that fare-paying passengers were delayed as a result of their child-like petulance - I'd be pretty annoyed if that had been my flight.

One question I do have is this: Given the emphasis put on flight safety, and the numerous incidents of airplanes diverting due to poor onboard behavior, why on earth were they allowed to behave so badly without any sort of repercussion? Was it because of their "celebrity" status? If so, that stinks.


Actually, does the article actually provide any real evidence that the Giants trashed the plane? I found popcorn and crumbs on my seat is a complaint I think we could all make upon entering any aircraft. (More than once I've found a balled up diaper on the floor in my row.) UA didn't complain about a mess -- its a major sports team after all, perhaps the "damage" was just the normal sorts of stuff that this sort of flight collects. The article says UA parked the jet after the arrival, intending to clean it over the next few days, but a last minute tech issue required they substitute the chartered aircraft for the LHR flight. I think it more interesting that UA didn't have any other jet available to switch other than the recently arrived charter aircraft

This sounds to me like a combination of a slow news day and a "lets-all-pile-on-the-Giants-after-their-bad-performance" situation. (No, I'm not a Giants fan) I'm not impressed.
 
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Re: NY Giants trash UA 767 charter plane last night.

Tue Jan 10, 2017 2:24 am

Knowing people that have seen DL's 757s after they return from a charter, the public has no idea how poorly sports teams treat an aircraft. They truly have no respect. An NFL team after a bad loss? I don't want to know how that was.
 
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Tue Jan 10, 2017 2:34 am

Deltas 757 used for team charters are not owned by Delta. The airline sold 10 757s to (someone fill in the blank) and they hired Delta to fly the planes. They are in Delta colors. The seating is for 100 I believe and all first class. Cool deal..
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Re: NY Giants trash UA 767 charter plane last night.

Tue Jan 10, 2017 2:39 am

So...why doesn't the airline file a claim against the Giants for damages?
 
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Tue Jan 10, 2017 2:47 am

wedgetail737 wrote:
So...why doesn't the airline file a claim against the Giants for damages?


Not going to happen. This thing has taken on a life of its own. Nothing to see here, really. There wasn't even booze on the plane.
 
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Re: NY Giants trash UA 767 charter plane last night.

Tue Jan 10, 2017 2:53 am

By the way the Cleveland Browns are taking a Boeing 777 to London next year. The owner has promised to take all his employees (besides the coaching staff and players) on this trip later this year. Nice of him and they have organized a 777 for that trip.
 
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Re: NY Giants trash UA 767 charter plane last night.

Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:04 am

rampbro wrote:
Skywatcher wrote:
Why do they need a plane the size of a 767 to fly what...2 hours?


Because NFL teams have a 53 man roster, plus coaches, trainers, medical staff, equipment staff, team personnel and management. And, many of these people are not normal-human sized.


I think this question comes up every single time there is a thread about sports charters. I am pretty sure I've read before many of the professional sports teams have plane sizes (read: minimum seat count) built into the contract. For instance, if there are no spare 767's but the airline can provide 2 757's. There certainly needs to be enough cargo space for all the equipment which is why there are relatively few 737 or 320 series aircraft running NFL sports charters.
 
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Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:07 am

FlyUSAir wrote:
Are they sure the interior isn't the UA standard interior? In fact if they did do something they might have improved the condition of the cabin, this is UA we are talking about.


Give me a break... If someone smashed out a window on your beater car would you have the same sentiment?
 
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Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:11 am

xdlx wrote:
Delta Learned and now has a dedicated charter fleet of A319/20 now going to B757 for Charters. Using a line aircraft with short ground time for a revenue flight after the charter, requires a lot of logistics to get the airplane clean and stocked. Most Charters have NON Standard Catering and Beverage Supplies and they must be stripped prior to re-stocking with line branding.


DL still uses their widebodies for charters as we saw with the Vikings charter two weeks ago.
 
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Re: NY Giants trash UA 767 charter plane last night.

Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:34 am

bennett123 wrote:
IMO, UA failure to deny the story speaks volumes.


They did deny it. Did you read the story?

A spokeswoman for United attributes the delay to logistical issues.

“Flight 934 to London had a mechanical issue and we had to replace it with the aircraft used for the Giants charter the night before,” spokeswoman Maddie King said in a statement provided to CBSNewYork. “This aircraft was not scheduled to re-depart from Newark for a few more days, and it took our team some time to prepare the aircraft for its next commercial flight.”


They just hadn't bothered prepping the plane for this flight, because it wasn't scheduled to fly that flight.

I'm sure every team charter ends up dirtier than most commercial flights and requires a little extra cleaning - that's part of what the teams are paying the airlines for. UA just got a late start on this one because the plane was pressed back into service earlier than planned.

In other words, nothing to see here, move along.
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Re: NY Giants trash UA 767 charter plane last night.

Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:21 am

Interesting the different reactions people have depending on who the person in a news story is and whether rumours and suggestions are taken as absolute fact. The hyperbole here is real. Those overpaid rich athletes are guilty!
 
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Re: NY Giants trash UA 767 charter plane last night.

Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:37 am

If there was no damage done, as some here have claimed, then why were workers seen "carrying countless seat cushions off the plane"?
 
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Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:52 am

spacecadet wrote:

I'm sure every team charter ends up dirtier than most commercial flights and requires a little extra cleaning - that's part of what the teams are paying the airlines for. UA just got a late start on this one because the plane was pressed back into service earlier than planned.



I've been on an NHL charter (La Kings) and I have to say, they left that plane probably cleaner than when they got on it, though I have to agree with you, in this case if the aircraft had been trashed i'm sure we would have seen pictures by now of the destruction.
 
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Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:15 am

AirstairFear wrote:
If there was no damage done, as some here have claimed, then why were workers seen "carrying countless seat cushions off the plane"?


who was reporting that? the same people claiming the uppity athletes trashed the entire plane?
 
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Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:31 am

Spacecadet

Depends what the 'logistical issues' were.

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