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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Mon Aug 07, 2017 10:41 pm

Not sure, but I did almost ride a blue tail -200 in feb on PDX - SEA
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:28 pm

I don't know if this was mentioned further up the thread, but for 2016, here is a breakdown of international flight performance out of PDX. All look pretty healthy to me:

Vancouver, Canada................190,819
Amsterdam, Netherlands.......154,783
Tokyo (Narita), Japan.............114,496
Guadalajara, Mexico...............52,420
Calgary, Canada.....................45,758
Reykjavik, Iceland...................29,069
Toronto, Canada.....................26,869
Frankfurt, Germany.................26,166
San José del Cabo, Mexico......17,572
Puerto Vallarta, Mexico............14,441
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Thu Aug 10, 2017 2:01 am

Delta has been swapping in an Airbus A321 the past 2 days on SLC-PDX-SLC mid-morning. Not sure if this will continue, the DL DTW route was supposed to be an A321 starting back in June 2017...that however never happened and has primarily been a B757 for most of the summer.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:27 pm

Checking today's
PDX-LHR (767-300ER)
(5 hours before departure):
Delta One 22/36,
main cabin 159/175,
total 181/211,
86% load
[One-way rack fares:
coach $2,447, business $7,135;
random round-trip fares:
coach $3,158, business $9,251.]

PDX-AMS (A330-300)
(1 hour before departure)
Delta One 29/34,
main cabin 231/259,
total 260/293,
89% load

PDX-NRT (767-300ER)
(at departure)
Delta One 30/36,
main cabin 152/172,
total 182/208,
87.5% load
Major airports with no PDX nonstops: MIA, FLL, TPA, IND, MSY, CLE, CVG, PIT, RDU; +BWI, +PHL, +YYZ
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:25 pm

jbpdx wrote:
Checking today's
PDX-LHR (767-300ER)
(5 hours before departure):
Delta One 22/36,
main cabin 159/175,
total 181/211,
86% load
[One-way rack fares:
coach $2,447, business $7,135;
random round-trip fares:
coach $3,158, business $9,251.]

PDX-AMS (A330-300)
(1 hour before departure)
Delta One 29/34,
main cabin 231/259,
total 260/293,
89% load

PDX-NRT (767-300ER)
(at departure)
Delta One 30/36,
main cabin 152/172,
total 182/208,
87.5% load


See loads for next week and the days following the eclipse. Many flights are sold out or nearly so.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:34 pm

bigfoot0503 wrote:
jbpdx wrote:
Checking today's
PDX-LHR (767-300ER)
(5 hours before departure):
Delta One 22/36,
main cabin 159/175,
total 181/211,
86% load
[One-way rack fares:
coach $2,447, business $7,135;
random round-trip fares:
coach $3,158, business $9,251.]

PDX-AMS (A330-300)
(1 hour before departure)
Delta One 29/34,
main cabin 231/259,
total 260/293,
89% load

PDX-NRT (767-300ER)
(at departure)
Delta One 30/36,
main cabin 152/172,
total 182/208,
87.5% load


See loads for next week and the days following the eclipse. Many flights are sold out or nearly so.


I bet! Probably worse than Spring Break! I heard there are 17k cars that are gonna be rented. That's insane!
    Ironically, I don't work for OO anymore, and I'm not in SLC anymore. PDX based, aviation enthusiast, non-aviation worker.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Sat Aug 12, 2017 12:12 am

Update: today's PDX-LHR 94% LF (at departure) (28/36, 171/175, 199/211)
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Sat Aug 12, 2017 8:07 am

ooslc wrote:
bigfoot0503 wrote:
jbpdx wrote:
Checking today's
PDX-LHR (767-300ER)
(5 hours before departure):
Delta One 22/36,
main cabin 159/175,
total 181/211,
86% load
[One-way rack fares:
coach $2,447, business $7,135;
random round-trip fares:
coach $3,158, business $9,251.]

PDX-AMS (A330-300)
(1 hour before departure)
Delta One 29/34,
main cabin 231/259,
total 260/293,
89% load

PDX-NRT (767-300ER)
(at departure)
Delta One 30/36,
main cabin 152/172,
total 182/208,
87.5% load


See loads for next week and the days following the eclipse. Many flights are sold out or nearly so.


I bet! Probably worse than Spring Break! I heard there are 17k cars that are gonna be rented. That's insane!


1 million visitors are expected to come to Oregon for the eclipse. That's about 25% of the states population. Talk about overcrowded infrastructure!
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:32 pm

Could a stellar August at PDX push passenger numbers to the 20 million mark for 2017? I know the numbers are close, the eclipse event certainly has got to have some influence on that trend. Not to mention international passengers at PDX year over year have seen something like a 12% increase.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Sat Aug 12, 2017 8:00 pm

I think PDX will easily hit 20,000,000 this year.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Sat Aug 12, 2017 10:01 pm

PDX finally updated their graphic.

Image
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Sat Aug 12, 2017 10:15 pm

I think it's going to be close, but I think it won't push over 20 million. The first half of 2017 has seen an average of 5.3% growth. If I did those against the 2016 number I come up short by about 620,000. Even with a high 6.2% growth as seen in June of this year it's still short by 550,000. I don't think the eclipse will bring that many people to PDX. I think 2018 will be the year.
    Ironically, I don't work for OO anymore, and I'm not in SLC anymore. PDX based, aviation enthusiast, non-aviation worker.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Sat Aug 12, 2017 10:40 pm

Wonder what's up with DL69, leaving 3 hours late today to Tokyo.?
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Sat Aug 12, 2017 10:54 pm

jbpdx wrote:
Wonder what's up with DL69, leaving 3 hours late today to Tokyo.?


Left NRT 4 hours late, best guess is mechanical. Quick 90 minute turn in PDX.
    Ironically, I don't work for OO anymore, and I'm not in SLC anymore. PDX based, aviation enthusiast, non-aviation worker.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Sat Aug 12, 2017 11:59 pm

ooslc wrote:
I think it's going to be close, but I think it won't push over 20 million. The first half of 2017 has seen an average of 5.3% growth. If I did those against the 2016 number I come up short by about 620,000. Even with a high 6.2% growth as seen in June of this year it's still short by 550,000. I don't think the eclipse will bring that many people to PDX. I think 2018 will be the year.


I read elsewhere that the pax numbers for all of western Oregon took a dip in the last few weeks of 2016 due to extreme winter weather. We probably won't know until we see how good/bad things get in December.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Sun Aug 13, 2017 2:10 am

metaldirtnskin wrote:
ooslc wrote:
I think it's going to be close, but I think it won't push over 20 million. The first half of 2017 has seen an average of 5.3% growth. If I did those against the 2016 number I come up short by about 620,000. Even with a high 6.2% growth as seen in June of this year it's still short by 550,000. I don't think the eclipse will bring that many people to PDX. I think 2018 will be the year.


I read elsewhere that the pax numbers for all of western Oregon took a dip in the last few weeks of 2016 due to extreme winter weather. We probably won't know until we see how good/bad things get in December.


That's true, but the winter weather doesn't cripple the airport as much as the people that can't drive in it here. Traffic last December was up 6.9% even with the 2 storms that month. Traffic was up 5% in January with the week long foot of snow. Seems the snow and ice doesn't stop too many people from flying. I still see it coming close. If it does hit 20 million it'll just be barely.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Wed Aug 16, 2017 7:02 pm

The Heathrow July report gives us the LF for the DL PDX-LHR route.

6,301 passengers
17 days/34 flights
185/211 seats (767-300)
88% LF
Major airports with no PDX nonstops: MIA, FLL, TPA, IND, MSY, CLE, CVG, PIT, RDU; +BWI, +PHL, +YYZ
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Wed Aug 16, 2017 9:33 pm

That seems like a good LF for a new route. Of course it's the summer time, but this probably shows that PDX can support multiple European destination without much of a problem. Hoping to see a PDX-CDG soon from AF/DL.
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Wed Aug 16, 2017 9:38 pm

^^^
Booked one of my staff on LHR-PDX, looked pretty full up.

Just wish it ran daily, we had to send him PDX-FRA-LHR on the outbound.

Bring on PDX-CDG, way better to get to Africa (AMS is almost useless for that).
 
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Wed Aug 16, 2017 11:25 pm

BlatantEcho wrote:
^^^

Bring on PDX-CDG, way better to get to Africa (AMS is almost useless for that).


It's kind of similar with India connections too. FRA or CDG have connections to more Indian cities than AMS. LHR has more connections to India, but the ST doesn't help in terms of connections.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Thu Aug 17, 2017 6:20 am

BlatantEcho wrote:
^^^
Booked one of my staff on LHR-PDX, looked pretty full up.

Just wish it ran daily, we had to send him PDX-FRA-LHR on the outbound.

Bring on PDX-CDG, way better to get to Africa (AMS is almost useless for that).


Did you mean PDX-AMS-LHR? Or did you outbound him on Condor?
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Fri Aug 18, 2017 5:56 pm

Eclipse 2017: Portland International Airport expects crowds, but not record-breaking ones


http://www.oregonlive.com/commuting/ind ... ernat.html

What's interesting:
"The commercial airlines that serve PDX didn't add flights to serve eclipse travel," said airport spokeswoman Kama Simonds.
Major airports with no PDX nonstops: MIA, FLL, TPA, IND, MSY, CLE, CVG, PIT, RDU; +BWI, +PHL, +YYZ
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:03 pm

jbpdx wrote:
Eclipse 2017: Portland International Airport expects crowds, but not record-breaking ones


http://www.oregonlive.com/commuting/ind ... ernat.html

What's interesting:
"The commercial airlines that serve PDX didn't add flights to serve eclipse travel," said airport spokeswoman Kama Simonds.

Most of America is within 500 miles driving distance of totality. There is not much of a reason for Americans to fly and rent a car.
 
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Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:19 pm

jbpdx wrote:
Eclipse 2017: Portland International Airport expects crowds, but not record-breaking ones


http://www.oregonlive.com/commuting/ind ... ernat.html

What's interesting:
"The commercial airlines that serve PDX didn't add flights to serve eclipse travel," said airport spokeswoman Kama Simonds.



Outbound on condor so he could get some EQMs with Alaska :)
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:49 pm

Vancouver, Canada................190,819

Funny, YVR is also the #1 International destination from Seattle. Vancouver, BC will always have better International service with more airlines than Portland & Seattle.
Why endure the nightmare and congestion of LAX when BUR, LGB, ONT & SNA is so much easier to fly in and out of. Same with OAK & SJC when it comes to SFO.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:39 pm

Since most of the influx here will be from California I guess the airlines figure the ~100 flights a day will handle enough of the eclipse traffic. A lot of people needing to fly for other reasons around this weekend will be s.o.l.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Fri Aug 18, 2017 11:14 pm

I had tried booking my sister-in-law months ago SMF-PDX-CEC (QX->KS), to fly tomorrow, but everything via PDX was either sold out or over $800 one way. So there must certainly be an eclipse travel effect. I tried booking her via SFO to ACV, but those were overpriced as well. So I'm picking her up tomorrow in MFR (via SFO), which was a better price than the others at the time.
She is flying back CEC-PDX-SMF on Sept 1 at a reasonable price. ....of course we're nervous about whether PenAir will still be flying here by then.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:02 am

Wingtips56 wrote:
I had tried booking my sister-in-law months ago SMF-PDX-CEC (QX->KS), to fly tomorrow, but everything via PDX was either sold out or over $800 one way. So there must certainly be an eclipse travel effect. I tried booking her via SFO to ACV, but those were overpriced as well. So I'm picking her up tomorrow in MFR (via SFO), which was a better price than the others at the time.
She is flying back CEC-PDX-SMF on Sept 1 at a reasonable price. ....of course we're nervous about whether PenAir will still be flying here by then.


Yep, just checked PDX-SEA on Tuesday the 22nd. Nothing. Every flight looks sold out on AS and DL. That's crazy! A lot of stuff on AS is sold out completely on the 22nd. LAX, BUR, ONT, OAK, SJC, RNO, LAS has a few seats on the night flight. That's gonna be one busy day to leave PDX, and I bet the night of the 21st will be bad too. It'll be all over before noon. I bet EUG is just as bad too.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Tue Aug 22, 2017 12:50 pm

I just noticed that United's PDX-IAD (UA250/251) is now year round; no mid-winter suspension in January/February as before.
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Tue Aug 22, 2017 1:24 pm

With the talk of connecting airports (YVR) in particular, I looked at my 2017 flight stats:

- This year, I'll end up around 130,000 flight miles. 4 continents, 14 countries, and not a single connection in Seattle.
LOVE IT!

That's how you know PDX is growing up.
(I do use YVR/SFO/LAX as needed for Asia jumps... but still, no Sea-Tac this year. Love my PDX!)

--
edit to add route map - I looked at this and smiled. I support PDX :)

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=PDX-PHX-PDX,+PDX-EWR-PDX,+PDX-AUS-PDX,+PDX-YVR-HKG-MAA,+BLR-CMB-HKG,+HKG-SFO-PDX,+PDX-AMS-FLR,+FLR-CDG-PVG,+PVG-NRT-PDX,+PDX-OAK-PDX,+PDX-EWR-PDX,+PDX-CLT-PBI-ORD-PDX,+PDX-KEF-HEL,+RIX-HEL-KEF-PDX,+PDX-ORD-MSN,+ORD-PDX,+PDX-FRA-LJU,+ZAG-FRA-PDX,+PDX-DCA-PDX,+PDX-SFO-PEK-HGH,+HGH-ICN-SFO-PDX,+PDX-JFK,+EWR-PDX,+PDX-MCO-PDX,+PDX-LAX-SYD,+SYD-VLI-BNE,+BNE-LAX-PDX,+PDX-MEX
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Tue Aug 22, 2017 3:56 pm

BlatantEcho wrote:
With the talk of connecting airports (YVR) in particular, I looked at my 2017 flight stats:

- This year, I'll end up around 130,000 flight miles. 4 continents, 14 countries, and not a single connection in Seattle.
LOVE IT!

That's how you know PDX is growing up.
(I do use YVR/SFO/LAX as needed for Asia jumps... but still, no Sea-Tac this year. Love my PDX!)

--
edit to add route map - I looked at this and smiled. I support PDX :)

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=PDX-PHX-PDX,+PDX-EWR-PDX,+PDX-AUS-PDX,+PDX-YVR-HKG-MAA,+BLR-CMB-HKG,+HKG-SFO-PDX,+PDX-AMS-FLR,+FLR-CDG-PVG,+PVG-NRT-PDX,+PDX-OAK-PDX,+PDX-EWR-PDX,+PDX-CLT-PBI-ORD-PDX,+PDX-KEF-HEL,+RIX-HEL-KEF-PDX,+PDX-ORD-MSN,+ORD-PDX,+PDX-FRA-LJU,+ZAG-FRA-PDX,+PDX-DCA-PDX,+PDX-SFO-PEK-HGH,+HGH-ICN-SFO-PDX,+PDX-JFK,+EWR-PDX,+PDX-MCO-PDX,+PDX-LAX-SYD,+SYD-VLI-BNE,+BNE-LAX-PDX,+PDX-MEX


Looks like you've very nearly used all the intercontinental service from PDX minus DL to LHR!
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:20 pm

PDX July 2017
1,945,657 passengers
+6% compared to July 2016
International +11.5% compared to July 2016

Meanwhile, Southwest and Frontier are eliminating and cutting back routes going forward.
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Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:36 pm

Some extremely rare birds for pdx. 2 CL-415s and the Mitsubishi MRJ JA22MJ. Which came in on an engine failure. It's awaiting an engine change.
 
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Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:11 pm

PDX July 2017 load factors:

Icelandair ~97%*
(757-200) (PDX-KEF)

Volaris 95%
(A320) (PDX-GDL)

Condor 94%
(767-300) (PDX-FRA)

Hawaiian 91%
(A330-200) (PDX-HNL)

Air Canada 86%
(E190) (PDX-YYZ)

*based on 169 seats with 14 blocked out in Economy Comfort
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:32 pm

^^
With AMS and NRT in the borderline 90% LF, things are looking really good for PDX international traffic. Hope Paris joins the list soon to provide another option for PDX. And, I hope LH replaces Condor.
Raja.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:59 am

nmraja wrote:
^^
With AMS and NRT in the borderline 90% LF, things are looking really good for PDX international traffic. Hope Paris joins the list soon to provide another option for PDX. And, I hope LH replaces Condor.



Icelandair has extended their season and only suspends now from 10 January--21 March. One of the LCCs need to operate through the winter. DL to AMS is the only Europe route during that time.
If DL/AF doesn't add CDG soon, Norwegian will, hopefully year round even if only 2x week.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:39 pm

jbpdx wrote:
Icelandair has extended their season and only suspends now from 10 January--21 March. One of the LCCs need to operate through the winter. DL to AMS is the only Europe route during that time.
If DL/AF doesn't add CDG soon, Norwegian will, hopefully year round even if only 2x week.


Hopefully Icelandair becomes an year round as it seems like the 2 months gap is too short, but may be that's the dullest period. Are they doing year round from SEA?

Regarding Norwegian, they don't seem to be flying to Paris from any of the US destinations. For connectivity sake, I would prefer to see AF/DL to CDG, but if only Norwegian is willing to do it, why not? :)
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:45 pm

nmraja wrote:
jbpdx wrote:
Icelandair has extended their season and only suspends now from 10 January--21 March. One of the LCCs need to operate through the winter. DL to AMS is the only Europe route during that time.
If DL/AF doesn't add CDG soon, Norwegian will, hopefully year round even if only 2x week.


Hopefully Icelandair becomes an year round as it seems like the 2 months gap is too short, but may be that's the dullest period. Are they doing year round from SEA?

Regarding Norwegian, they don't seem to be flying to Paris from any of the US destinations. For connectivity sake, I would prefer to see AF/DL to CDG, but if only Norwegian is willing to do it, why not? :)


Norwegian flies (or will fly) to CDG from BOS, DEN, FLL, LAX, JFK, OAK, EWR and MCO
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:26 pm

PDX-DTW on AS will initiate soon, any thoughts on it?
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:28 pm

Another stat from July PDX report:

Cathay Pacific cargo growing.

June 2017
In 40,478 lbs
Out 1,082,134 lbs
13 flights

July 2017
In 87,770 lbs
Out 2,084,592 lbs
23 flights
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Fri Aug 25, 2017 9:37 pm

flymco753 wrote:
PDX-DTW on AS will initiate soon, any thoughts on it?


I think most would agree, PDX-DTW is a route for Alaska Airlines that is overdue, but certainly timely. Delta's initial response to Alaska was the addition of a second flight during what looked like seasonal flying and then taking their one seasonal flight to year round. Through a cursory search of Delta's PDX-DTW schedule it appears that they operate anywhere from 1 to 2 flights per day, with a noon and late night (red-eye) departure from PDX. Delta had at one time scheduled their new Airbus A321 to operate on the PDX-DTW route, that never materialized and instead throughout this summer the a/c has primarily been a B757. The fall and winter schedule looks to be a mix of B737-900ER and B737-800 a/c on Delta and a B737-900 on Alaska...so not much difference to the passenger as far as aircraft type. Delta obviously offers an enormous amount of connections out of Detroit and has long served the PDX-DTW route including prior service by Northwest. Airline loyalists, in particular those who favor Alaska Airlines will aid in making the route a viable and profitable one. Although anecdotal and through my own personal observations in having flown PDX-DTW a half dozen times in the last 2 years and a daughter who is in college in Ohio and routed through Detroit frequently, we have become accustomed to a full flight or 90-95% full from PDX-DTW.

I hope the route for Alaska is successful and of course any new flying for Alaska out of PDX is great news! We are fortunate to have such an amazing facility with PDX and a city that is vibrant, growing and attracting more business and people to the region which in turn will translate into growth at PDX.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Fri Aug 25, 2017 9:43 pm

flyoregon wrote:
I don't know if this was mentioned further up the thread, but for 2016, here is a breakdown of international flight performance out of PDX. All look pretty healthy to me:

Vancouver, Canada................190,819

Calgary, Canada.....................45,758


Agreed the international loads look pretty healthy. With these numbers to YVR and YYC, is there any chance of nonstops to Edmonton or Victoria in the near future? My thinking is that YEG probably won't come online until the region's economy rebounds a bit. But Delta has flies 3x daily SEA-YYJ and Alaska does it 4x daily... and there are also the ferries and the LKE-YWH seaplane service. Seems easy enough for Alaska to move a frequency to PDX-YYJ, flow some of the connections through there, and use that extra spot at SEA for some other priority. Victoria and Portland are both great tourist destinations that could be connected by a fairly quick flight, but travel between them now means a 6-hour car/boat trip or a connecting flight that ends up taking 4.5 hours or more. Definitely seems like there must be some O&D demand.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:16 pm

phxsanslcpdx wrote:
flyoregon wrote:
I don't know if this was mentioned further up the thread, but for 2016, here is a breakdown of international flight performance out of PDX. All look pretty healthy to me:

Vancouver, Canada................190,819

Calgary, Canada.....................45,758


Agreed the international loads look pretty healthy. With these numbers to YVR and YYC, is there any chance of nonstops to Edmonton or Victoria in the near future? My thinking is that YEG probably won't come online until the region's economy rebounds a bit. But Delta has flies 3x daily SEA-YYJ and Alaska does it 4x daily... and there are also the ferries and the LKE-YWH seaplane service. Seems easy enough for Alaska to move a frequency to PDX-YYJ, flow some of the connections through there, and use that extra spot at SEA for some other priority. Victoria and Portland are both great tourist destinations that could be connected by a fairly quick flight, but travel between them now means a 6-hour car/boat trip or a connecting flight that ends up taking 4.5 hours or more. Definitely seems like there must be some O&D demand.


I think Calgary growth was great to see. I'm sure that the numbers were driven by the addition of not only going year-round but also Air Canada adding a second daily flight. I realize Calgary and their economy is predicated on the petroleum industry and that it had been taking some hits. I still think we might see WestJet Encore at PDX, whether it be service to Calgary, Edmonton, Vancouver or perhaps a new city such as Victoria.

Also worth mentioning is Canada Jetlines...a new ULCC startup aiming for secondary markets or underserved Canadian markets. Perhaps Canada Jetlines may introduce something like Abbotsford to PDX...Abbotsford being essentially part of the greater Vancouver BC metro area, or Hamilton, Ontario (one hour from Toronto).
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:49 pm

phxsanslcpdx wrote:
...is there any chance of nonstops to Edmonton or Victoria in the near future?


Alaska or Air Canada had PDX-YEG up until a couple years ago. Discontinued.
Major airports with no PDX nonstops: MIA, FLL, TPA, IND, MSY, CLE, CVG, PIT, RDU; +BWI, +PHL, +YYZ
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:56 pm

bigfoot0503 wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
PDX-DTW on AS will initiate soon, any thoughts on it?


I think most would agree, PDX-DTW is a route for Alaska Airlines that is overdue, but certainly timely. Delta's initial response to Alaska was the addition of a second flight during what looked like seasonal flying and then taking their one seasonal flight to year round. Through a cursory search of Delta's PDX-DTW schedule it appears that they operate anywhere from 1 to 2 flights per day, with a noon and late night (red-eye) departure from PDX. Delta had at one time scheduled their new Airbus A321 to operate on the PDX-DTW route, that never materialized and instead throughout this summer the a/c has primarily been a B757. The fall and winter schedule looks to be a mix of B737-900ER and B737-800 a/c on Delta and a B737-900 on Alaska...so not much difference to the passenger as far as aircraft type. Delta obviously offers an enormous amount of connections out of Detroit and has long served the PDX-DTW route including prior service by Northwest. Airline loyalists, in particular those who favor Alaska Airlines will aid in making the route a viable and profitable one. Although anecdotal and through my own personal observations in having flown PDX-DTW a half dozen times in the last 2 years and a daughter who is in college in Ohio and routed through Detroit frequently, we have become accustomed to a full flight or 90-95% full from PDX-DTW.

I hope the route for Alaska is successful and of course any new flying for Alaska out of PDX is great news! We are fortunate to have such an amazing facility with PDX and a city that is vibrant, growing and attracting more business and people to the region which in turn will translate into growth at PDX.
Appreciate the response, all valid points, I really hope it goes well. If it can stimulate more traffic I can see NK jumping on it too, SEA bode-ed well and now there's 3 carriers, one an LCC on it.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Sat Aug 26, 2017 1:11 am

flymco753 wrote:
bigfoot0503 wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
PDX-DTW on AS will initiate soon, any thoughts on it?


I think most would agree, PDX-DTW is a route for Alaska Airlines that is overdue, but certainly timely. Delta's initial response to Alaska was the addition of a second flight during what looked like seasonal flying and then taking their one seasonal flight to year round. Through a cursory search of Delta's PDX-DTW schedule it appears that they operate anywhere from 1 to 2 flights per day, with a noon and late night (red-eye) departure from PDX. Delta had at one time scheduled their new Airbus A321 to operate on the PDX-DTW route, that never materialized and instead throughout this summer the a/c has primarily been a B757. The fall and winter schedule looks to be a mix of B737-900ER and B737-800 a/c on Delta and a B737-900 on Alaska...so not much difference to the passenger as far as aircraft type. Delta obviously offers an enormous amount of connections out of Detroit and has long served the PDX-DTW route including prior service by Northwest. Airline loyalists, in particular those who favor Alaska Airlines will aid in making the route a viable and profitable one. Although anecdotal and through my own personal observations in having flown PDX-DTW a half dozen times in the last 2 years and a daughter who is in college in Ohio and routed through Detroit frequently, we have become accustomed to a full flight or 90-95% full from PDX-DTW.

I hope the route for Alaska is successful and of course any new flying for Alaska out of PDX is great news! We are fortunate to have such an amazing facility with PDX and a city that is vibrant, growing and attracting more business and people to the region which in turn will translate into growth at PDX.
Appreciate the response, all valid points, I really hope it goes well. If it can stimulate more traffic I can see NK jumping on it too, SEA bode-ed well and now there's 3 carriers, one an LCC on it.


Since NW started flying this route it's been hit & miss. I think having a connection hub on one end is important. I expect AS to do well & I'm thinking we'll see PDX-FLL for one, in the near future. PDX is growing & as a connection point, it's exceptional.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Sat Aug 26, 2017 1:26 am

The question about the new PDX-DTW AS nonstop led me to look at some more examples of the disparity between PDX and SEA using some AA, DL and UA hub cities. Nonstops.

SEA-PHL 5
PDX-PHL 0*

SEA-DTW 10
PDX-DTW 1^

SEA-IAH 8
PDX-IAH 2

*not counting seasonal
^ not including new AS nonstop

Some cities with nonstops to SEA but not PDX:

BNA MSY MIA FLL CVG TPA OKC ICT SAT RDU IND CHS

Seattle CSA 4.7 million
Portland CSA 3.2 million

Even accounting for hub status, larger population and other factors, some of the disparity is hard to explain. The airlines are continuing to lump Portland into the Seattle catchment area and forcing passengers through hubs. Without Alaska it would be worse.
Major airports with no PDX nonstops: MIA, FLL, TPA, IND, MSY, CLE, CVG, PIT, RDU; +BWI, +PHL, +YYZ
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Sat Aug 26, 2017 2:53 am

jbpdx wrote:
phxsanslcpdx wrote:
...is there any chance of nonstops to Edmonton or Victoria in the near future?


Alaska or Air Canada had PDX-YEG up until a couple years ago. Discontinued.


To my knowledge, no-one has ever flown PDX-YEG.

I am surprised that AS doesn't try PDX-YYC and PDX-YYJ though.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Sat Aug 26, 2017 3:42 am

jbpdx wrote:
The question about the new PDX-DTW AS nonstop led me to look at some more examples of the disparity between PDX and SEA using some AA, DL and UA hub cities. Nonstops.

SEA-PHL 5
PDX-PHL 0*

SEA-DTW 10
PDX-DTW 1^

SEA-IAH 8
PDX-IAH 2

*not counting seasonal
^ not including new AS nonstop

Some cities with nonstops to SEA but not PDX:

BNA MSY MIA FLL CVG TPA OKC ICT SAT RDU IND CHS

Seattle CSA 4.7 million
Portland CSA 3.2 million

Even accounting for hub status, larger population and other factors, some of the disparity is hard to explain. The airlines are continuing to lump Portland into the Seattle catchment area and forcing passengers through hubs. Without Alaska it would be worse.



It's actually not hard to explain. Seattle is a hub for 2 major airlines. It's economy is booming,

with multiple major multinational corporations employing hundreds of thousands people. It serves nearly double the population that pdx serves. It also isn't nearly as seasonal as pdx....pdx has it's steady year around business traffic and then in May the tourism traffic starts in pdx and airlines such as american, United, and delta nearly double the amount of daily flights they have at pdx.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Sat Aug 26, 2017 3:47 am

bigfoot0503 wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
PDX-DTW on AS will initiate soon, any thoughts on it?


I think most would agree, PDX-DTW is a route for Alaska Airlines that is overdue, but certainly timely. Delta's initial response to Alaska was the addition of a second flight during what looked like seasonal flying and then taking their one seasonal flight to year round. Through a cursory search of Delta's PDX-DTW schedule it appears that they operate anywhere from 1 to 2 flights per day, with a noon and late night (red-eye) departure from PDX. Delta had at one time scheduled their new Airbus A321 to operate on the PDX-DTW route, that never materialized and instead throughout this summer the a/c has primarily been a B757. The fall and winter schedule looks to be a mix of B737-900ER and B737-800 a/c on Delta and a B737-900 on Alaska...so not much difference to the passenger as far as aircraft type. Delta obviously offers an enormous amount of connections out of Detroit and has long served the PDX-DTW route including prior service by Northwest. Airline loyalists, in particular those who favor Alaska Airlines will aid in making the route a viable and profitable one. Although anecdotal and through my own personal observations in having flown PDX-DTW a half dozen times in the last 2 years and a daughter who is in college in Ohio and routed through Detroit frequently, we have become accustomed to a full flight or 90-95% full from PDX-DTW.

I hope the route for Alaska is successful and of course any new flying for Alaska out of PDX is great news! We are fortunate to have such an amazing facility with PDX and a city that is vibrant, growing and attracting more business and people to the region which in turn will translate into growth at PDX.



I love pdx. It's served so well for an airport or city it's size. Love all the new flights it's getting. For example this summer I was able to fly to sun valley non stop for the first time ever. So nice rather than flying into Boise and driving 3 hours. Let's hope for some more new flights coming next year.

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