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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:44 pm

^^^. Shoot.

I hope it's just temporary draw down for winter / during the horizon mess.

I have used all the Midwest flights and it helps keep me loyal to AS.
I have to suspect MCI/STL will return for summer. Right??
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:02 pm

lhpdx wrote:
AS PDX-DFW NOV 1.4>1.0 DEC 1.5>1.0
*AS PDX-MCI DEC 1.0>0
AS PDX-OMA NOV 0.6>0.1 MAR 0.9>0.6
*AS PDX-PSC NOV 0.9>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0.7
*AS PDX-STL DEC 0.9>0

Wow AS is really chopping away at it's PDX hub..Too bad PDX couldn't make any of those new flights work...............Looks like it's focus cities SAN and SJC appears to be untouched......I wonder if the POP is now regretting investing in the terminal E extension?

Should be temporary, just for November and December, due to the QX pilot shortage, and hopefully things will be back to normal for S18.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:38 am

BlatantEcho wrote:
^^^. Shoot.

I hope it's just temporary draw down for winter / during the horizon mess.

I have used all the Midwest flights and it helps keep me loyal to AS.
I have to suspect MCI/STL will return for summer. Right??

WN must be jumping with joy.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Mon Sep 18, 2017 2:38 am

717atOGG wrote:
lhpdx wrote:
AS PDX-DFW NOV 1.4>1.0 DEC 1.5>1.0
*AS PDX-MCI DEC 1.0>0
AS PDX-OMA NOV 0.6>0.1 MAR 0.9>0.6
*AS PDX-PSC NOV 0.9>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0.7
*AS PDX-STL DEC 0.9>0

Wow AS is really chopping away at it's PDX hub..Too bad PDX couldn't make any of those new flights work...............Looks like it's focus cities SAN and SJC appears to be untouched......I wonder if the POP is now regretting investing in the terminal E extension?

Should be temporary, just for November and December, due to the QX pilot shortage, and hopefully things will be back to normal for S18.


Not that load factor is everything but PDX had 80%+ to both MCI and STL from March on this year so I figure they should as worst be seasonal. It looks like right now they are still scheduled for Jan and after.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Mon Sep 18, 2017 6:12 pm

Chugach wrote:
lhpdx wrote:
AS PDX-DFW NOV 1.4>1.0 DEC 1.5>1.0
*AS PDX-MCI DEC 1.0>0
AS PDX-OMA NOV 0.6>0.1 MAR 0.9>0.6
*AS PDX-PSC NOV 0.9>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0.7
*AS PDX-STL DEC 0.9>0

Wow AS is really chopping away at it's PDX hub..Too bad PDX couldn't make any of those new flights work...............Looks like it's focus cities SAN and SJC appears to be untouched......I wonder if the POP is now regretting investing in the terminal E extension?


It's due to the QX pilot situation.



AS is also making their priorities clear: if they have to make choices between PDX,SFO,SJC and SAN, PDX will always be the sacrificial lamb. I'm sure this is just the beginning......
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Mon Sep 18, 2017 6:33 pm

lhpdx wrote:
AS PDX-DFW NOV 1.4>1.0 DEC 1.5>1.0
*AS PDX-MCI DEC 1.0>0
AS PDX-OMA NOV 0.6>0.1 MAR 0.9>0.6
*AS PDX-PSC NOV 0.9>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0.7
*AS PDX-STL DEC 0.9>0

Wow AS is really chopping away at it's PDX hub..Too bad PDX couldn't make any of those new flights work...............Looks like it's focus cities SAN and SJC appears to be untouched......I wonder if the POP is now regretting investing in the terminal E extension?


It has nothing to do with performance, it has everything to do with AS/QX shooting themselves in the foot and not remaining competitive. SkyWest only has so many airplanes and crews themselves, otherwise these flights would be covered by them I'm sure. I hate to say it, but QX needs to be sold off to OO and let them do what QX use to be really good at, and that is be a strong performing regional operator.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Wed Sep 20, 2017 4:47 pm

With Eugene and Medford growing at a steady rate, at what point will either of those cities see FedEx or UPS mainline rather than a bunch of Caravans or ATR's?
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:49 pm

lhpdx wrote:
Chugach wrote:
lhpdx wrote:
AS PDX-DFW NOV 1.4>1.0 DEC 1.5>1.0
*AS PDX-MCI DEC 1.0>0
AS PDX-OMA NOV 0.6>0.1 MAR 0.9>0.6
*AS PDX-PSC NOV 0.9>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0.7
*AS PDX-STL DEC 0.9>0

Wow AS is really chopping away at it's PDX hub..Too bad PDX couldn't make any of those new flights work...............Looks like it's focus cities SAN and SJC appears to be untouched......I wonder if the POP is now regretting investing in the terminal E extension?


It's due to the QX pilot situation.



AS is also making their priorities clear: if they have to make choices between PDX,SFO,SJC and SAN, PDX will always be the sacrificial lamb. I'm sure this is just the beginning......


The writing was on the wall. PDX is a smaller market than SEA or SFO, AS can’t afford to give up much ground in SEA because of DL, and they can’t afford to squander the opportunity in CA with the VX acquisition. It stinks for PDX-based AS fliers (of which I am one, and a 75K to boot) but for now it is what it is. I’ve looked at DL but I don’t want to transit SEA or SLC to get anywhere I need to go on a regular basis, and WN doesn’t fly to Alaska. So AS it is for me, just with a very conscious effort to stick to AS mainline and avoid Horizon like the plague. Hopefully the Horizon thing gets figured out, but I think it’ll get worse before it gets better, if it ever gets better.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:14 pm

Chugach wrote:
lhpdx wrote:
AS PDX-DFW NOV 1.4>1.0 DEC 1.5>1.0
*AS PDX-MCI DEC 1.0>0
AS PDX-OMA NOV 0.6>0.1 MAR 0.9>0.6
*AS PDX-PSC NOV 0.9>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0.7
*AS PDX-STL DEC 0.9>0

Wow AS is really chopping away at it's PDX hub..Too bad PDX couldn't make any of those new flights work...............Looks like it's focus cities SAN and SJC appears to be untouched......I wonder if the POP is now regretting investing in the terminal E extension?


It's due to the QX pilot situation.


PDX-DFW was going to happen, it was 2 x daily, when AS added PDX-DAL it was a given PDX-DFW would be reduced, so Dallas is now one 175 & 1 737.

Once the QX pilot issue is addressed, expect PDX-MCI/STL to be re-started & OMA back to daily, hopefully with a timing change. PDX-PSC runs once daily, it's an early AM out of PSC to connect to Hawaii & California & an evening return from PDX, AS could restart this, but could also just consolidate connections over SEA, the O/D is very low PDX-PSC.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:02 pm

I had family in Portland visiting over the past week and they were booked on Alaska to fly back to Phoenix, AZ on 09-20-17. The routing had them going on AS 905 PDX-SEA (B737) and connect to AS 646 SEA-PHX. I felt reasonably confident that no issues would develop and as far I can recall it seems that AS 905 is a recent addition to the PDX-SEA schedule and perhaps done to augment the schedule due to the recent issues with Horizon. About 30 minutes prior to the departure and after already boarding the aircraft my family notified me that the gate agent had come on-board the flight and announced a significant delay due to a mechanical issue was expected. After deplaning my family learned that AS 905 PDX-SEA was cancelled and realized that other than trying to again fly through SEA and hope for seats on the last AS SEA to PHX flight that it made sense to request AS obtain seats on an American non-stop from PDX.

As it turned out, while the mechanical cancellation was unfortunate Alaska gate agents at PDX handled my family quite well and I was impressed with their actions. My family were rebooked on an American Airlines n/s flight that arrived in PHX only about 30 minutes later than what the original AS flight was scheduled to arrive at. They were given meal vouchers for use at PDX and were also given 5,000 Alaska Mileage Plan miles (this was a request per my family, not something that was offered). I really do like Alaska Airlines and it is unfortunate to see some of the challenges they presently face with issues at Horizon. I truly hope that the value of their PDX hub is seen and not devalued in the face of this hopefully short-lived crisis. This situation will likely be one that other carriers if they are business savvy are going to seize upon and react to by possibly adding flights or adding new service, however that remains to be seen.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:28 pm

PDX released their August 17 stats. Pax up 5.2% from last August. 1822575 v. 1916745. Up 5.7% year to date.
Freight is up 11.7%. That’s healthy to see! Up 5.5% year to date.
Some carrier stats that stood out:
QX was down 9.6% for August. Not surprising.
AS was up 23.2%!
JetBlue was down 11.7%.
Hawaiian was down 6.1%
Frontier was up 12.7%
Spirit was down 20.7%...I think last summer they ran a DFW and/or SAN flight; correct me if I’m wrong.
All international airlines were up.
Check out the stats yourself if interested: http://flypdx.com/Inside/AviationStatistics
    Ironically, I don't work for OO anymore, and I'm not in SLC anymore. PDX based, aviation enthusiast, non-aviation worker.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:36 pm

ooslc wrote:
PDX released their August 17 stats. Pax up 5.2% from last August. 1822575 v. 1916745. Up 5.7% year to date.
Freight is up 11.7%. That’s healthy to see! Up 5.5% year to date.
Some carrier stats that stood out:
QX was down 9.6% for August. Not surprising.
AS was up 23.2%!
JetBlue was down 11.7%.
Hawaiian was down 6.1%
Frontier was up 12.7%
Spirit was down 20.7%...I think last summer they ran a DFW and/or SAN flight; correct me if I’m wrong.
All international airlines were up.
Check out the stats yourself if interested: http://flypdx.com/Inside/AviationStatistics


Spirit cancelled SAN-PDX a long time ago (likely when Southwest added this route to their network). And the DFW route was cancelled about a year ago. However, Spirit still runs a seasonal ORD-PDX route. Surprising to see Hawaiian and JetBlue down though. Hawaiian recently announced OGG-PDX to its network with the purchase of Airbus A321neo aircraft, so the passenger traffic on Hawaiian will very likely improve once this route commences. JetBlue has a lot of competition from Delta (and soon Alaska) on the JFK route, who has ocasionally added wide body 767 aircraft on the JFK route along with daily 757 and 737 aircraft as well... Back to JetBlue though, I'm surprised that their PDX-BOS route is only seasonal. They've operated 2 daily seasonal routes to BOS but they both only in operate in the summer months. If JetBlue made both of their BOS flights from PDX to year-round/daily, then their passenger traffic would very likely improve...
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:08 pm

Flying out on QX this morning I was worried we'd have to taxi out all the way around to the east end of 28R to depart but to my pleasant surprise we turned onto 21 and took off to the south. First time I've gotten to do that. 10R/28L is closed until 10/2 so if you have QX flights in that period you may get to use 03/21.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Sun Oct 01, 2017 3:52 am

Anyone know how boutique is doing from PDT? Just saw another thread about a couple dozen cities losing EAS. PDT was given a 1 year waiver since 2016 didn't have continuous service. Most cities losing funding had fewer than 10 enplanements each day. Is PDT that light on PAX?
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:24 am

FA9295 wrote:
ooslc wrote:
PDX released their August 17 stats. Pax up 5.2% from last August. 1822575 v. 1916745. Up 5.7% year to date.
Freight is up 11.7%. That’s healthy to see! Up 5.5% year to date.
Some carrier stats that stood out:
QX was down 9.6% for August. Not surprising.
AS was up 23.2%!
JetBlue was down 11.7%.
Hawaiian was down 6.1%
Frontier was up 12.7%
Spirit was down 20.7%...I think last summer they ran a DFW and/or SAN flight; correct me if I’m wrong.
All international airlines were up.
Check out the stats yourself if interested: http://flypdx.com/Inside/AviationStatistics


Spirit cancelled SAN-PDX a long time ago (likely when Southwest added this route to their network). And the DFW route was cancelled about a year ago. However, Spirit still runs a seasonal ORD-PDX route. Surprising to see Hawaiian and JetBlue down though. Hawaiian recently announced OGG-PDX to its network with the purchase of Airbus A321neo aircraft, so the passenger traffic on Hawaiian will very likely improve once this route commences. JetBlue has a lot of competition from Delta (and soon Alaska) on the JFK route, who has ocasionally added wide body 767 aircraft on the JFK route along with daily 757 and 737 aircraft as well... Back to JetBlue though, I'm surprised that their PDX-BOS route is only seasonal. They've operated 2 daily seasonal routes to BOS but they both only in operate in the summer months. If JetBlue made both of their BOS flights from PDX to year-round/daily, then their passenger traffic would very likely improve...


I think Hawaiian could be down because the number of seats in the A330 declined with more economy comfort
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:48 am

There was a post on this thread about 9 months ago or so, it indicated that United Airlines was looking into the vacant hanger the Port obtained from the Guard Base, the one next to Horizon. I talked with a friend yesterday that confirmed that United Continental Holding has received a 3 month permit to have complete access to the hanger and pad out front. It is so contractors can go in and evaluate the condition and systems. I am really surprised that United Airlines would want to have a maintenance facility here at PDX. Can SFO be at capacity for conducting maintenance. I know there are no hangers or property available at SEA. I would be curious to see what type of aircraft they shuttle through. The hanger was designed for KC135's so it can easily fit a 737 or A320. Still I am quit surprised United is even considering the PNW.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:24 pm

PDXPOL wrote:
There was a post on this thread about 9 months ago or so, it indicated that United Airlines was looking into the vacant hanger the Port obtained from the Guard Base, the one next to Horizon. I talked with a friend yesterday that confirmed that United Continental Holding has received a 3 month permit to have complete access to the hanger and pad out front. It is so contractors can go in and evaluate the condition and systems. I am really surprised that United Airlines would want to have a maintenance facility here at PDX. Can SFO be at capacity for conducting maintenance. I know there are no hangers or property available at SEA. I would be curious to see what type of aircraft they shuttle through. The hanger was designed for KC135's so it can easily fit a 737 or A320. Still I am quit surprised United is even considering the PNW.


They have been doing indoc inspections on their new deliveries along with A and occasional B checks on the rest of the fleet at SEA on an open ramp at a building that is more or less a parts storage building. No real amenities. When I was working up there I watched those guys earn their union pay by getting dumped on with heavy rain and blown across the ramp during the typical Seattle winters.

The hanger here will be welcome, except for the people who may have to relocate or face losing their job.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:45 pm

United will be doing B checks on the A320 at PDX. They use to do B checks on the 757 back in the day. United is looking at two options for their hangar. The old AFR one on the south side, but I heard this building would need major updating. The second option is razing the old Delta cargo building and building a new one there. The Port wants United to pay for the razing of that building though.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Thu Oct 05, 2017 7:42 pm

ramprat74 wrote:
United will be doing B checks on the A320 at PDX. They use to do B checks on the 757 back in the day. United is looking at two options for their hangar. The old AFR one on the south side, but I heard this building would need major updating. The second option is razing the old Delta cargo building and building a new one there. The Port wants United to pay for the razing of that building though.


Wouldn't they also have to figure out a way to get access to it from the base? Right now we are allowed up to the hangar doors but cant go in.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Thu Oct 05, 2017 8:28 pm

twincommander wrote:
ramprat74 wrote:
United will be doing B checks on the A320 at PDX. They use to do B checks on the 757 back in the day. United is looking at two options for their hangar. The old AFR one on the south side, but I heard this building would need major updating. The second option is razing the old Delta cargo building and building a new one there. The Port wants United to pay for the razing of that building though.


Wouldn't they also have to figure out a way to get access to it from the base? Right now we are allowed up to the hangar doors but cant go in.


There is a right of way street off of Cornfoot that was included in the deal to turn over the hanger. Also in the previous post about delta cargo. I have seen the future plans for that area. I don't think that option is going to happen, in turning that into a maintenance hanger. I have done training in the guard hanger and it does need heating upgrades and other items, but considerable cheaper than building a new one.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:32 am

PDX concourse E extension update including image:

http://www.usa.skanska.com/who-we-are/m ... r-USD-151M
 
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Fri Oct 06, 2017 3:38 am

Do we know whether AS or WN will move to concourse E after the expansion? At first I heard that AS would move, but somewhere recently I thought that I had seen that WN would make the move instead. Has there been a final decision regarding which airline it'll be...?
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Fri Oct 06, 2017 3:47 am

I believe southwest will occupy the gates leaving concourse to Alaska, American, and jet blue
 
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Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:24 pm

kwbl wrote:
I believe southwest will occupy the gates leaving concourse to Alaska, American, and jet blue


You are correct. Southwest is actually getting a pretty sweet deal with a brand new concourse and baggage handling system (infrastructure upgrades).
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Sun Oct 08, 2017 4:57 pm

According to AS summer schedules, PDX-DAL will be going 2x daily e175. Also, PDX-DFW will return to 2x daily (737 + redeye 175).

Any other schedules changes anyone else notice? Still waiting for AS to add PDX-DEN/IAH.
 
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Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:59 pm

The Governor and executive team from the Port of Portland are on an Asia trip. The Oregon Live article states they are meeting with Cathay executives as well as their subsidiary for cargo shipping containers. I heard from someone at the Port that the Ports aviation team also did a presentation to Cathay Air to try and start air service from Hong Kong to PDX on an A359. The Ports team has been very successful in their efforts to get international service. With London and Mexico City, they lobbied very well and landed the service. It will be very interesting if they can land Hong Kong. Not sure if the A359 can haul a lot of cargo, but I imagine the sell talked about their 5 day week cargo flights. I know the Port's incentive offer free landing fees, gate fees, and ticket counter space for a year or so.

http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/inde ... r_home_pop
 
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Sat Oct 14, 2017 12:29 am

PDXPOL wrote:
The Governor and executive team from the Port of Portland are on an Asia trip. The Oregon Live article states they are meeting with Cathay executives as well as their subsidiary for cargo shipping containers. I heard from someone at the Port that the Ports aviation team also did a presentation to Cathay Air to try and start air service from Hong Kong to PDX on an A359. The Ports team has been very successful in their efforts to get international service. With London and Mexico City, they lobbied very well and landed the service. It will be very interesting if they can land Hong Kong. Not sure if the A359 can haul a lot of cargo, but I imagine the sell talked about their 5 day week cargo flights. I know the Port's incentive offer free landing fees, gate fees, and ticket counter space for a year or so.

http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/inde ... r_home_pop


I think CX PDX-HKG could work to start with less than daily service (didn't CX start BOS-HKG with 4x/week service?). Nike, Intel and other companies would use this additional nonstop service heavily to points throughout Asia/India. Might be an untapped market. But I don't know if CX would take a gamble on PDX. The lack of Asia Competition from PDX(other than the shrinking PDX-NRT DL flight) would be attractive to CX. I know recently CX has been announcing secondary European cities, they could do the same in the USA (PDX,SAN, etc.)

If CX were to go to SEA on the other hand, they'd be competing with DL to HKG/PVG/PEK/ICN/NRT, BR(and soon also CI) to TPE, NH to NRT, KE/OZ to ICN, HU to PVG/PEK, Xiamen to Shenzen, EK to DXB to a lesser extent. We'll have to wait and see if the Port's efforts pay off.

A safe bet on the next Asia service to PDX would be DL or KE to ICN, or JL to NRT.

The Port of Portland has been on a role in terms of adding international service with services in the last 5-years being added to YYZ, KEF, LHR, FRA, MEX, GDL, SJD, PVR.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Sat Oct 14, 2017 6:15 am

A question for poster ANA 787: You mentioned "BR (and soon also CI) to TPE" (from Seattle). I've seen and heard that CI supposedly is interested in re-starting SEA (its cargo 747s still come here), but it never seems to go beyond just talk (or maybe wishful thinking). I'm curious if you have heard or seen anything more definitive about that. I do know that BR is cutting its second not-quite-daily flight, leaving one daily. Thank you for posting and sharing your insight.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:46 pm

Looks like PDX will have a Kalitta 744 and Atlas 748 on the ground at the same time in about an hour.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:36 am

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Looks like PDX will have a Kalitta 744 and Atlas 748 on the ground at the same time in about an hour.


I managed to snap a picture of both.


Image



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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:24 am

UPS 747 about to land at PDX. How often does a UPS 747 come into PDX?
    Ironically, I don't work for OO anymore, and I'm not in SLC anymore. PDX based, aviation enthusiast, non-aviation worker.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:33 am

ooslc wrote:
UPS 747 about to land at PDX. How often does a UPS 747 come into PDX?


Not often, usually just during the holiday rush. The flight is usually an MD-11 connection, routed SDF-PDX-PVG, and normally Friday only. There looks to have been 2X/week recently, but again with the Mad Dog. Most likely a sub, unless it is a recent upguage. Check it again Friday to see if so.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:14 am

And there it goes...

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Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:12 pm

pdxav8r wrote:
ooslc wrote:
UPS 747 about to land at PDX. How often does a UPS 747 come into PDX?


Not often, usually just during the holiday rush. The flight is usually an MD-11 connection, routed SDF-PDX-PVG, and normally Friday only. There looks to have been 2X/week recently, but again with the Mad Dog. Most likely a sub, unless it is a recent upguage. Check it again Friday to see if so.


Yeah I do remember the Friday evening schedule had a PDX-ANC-PVG flight on an MD-11. Just must have been a sub since that's where it went. And I didn't know it went 2x. Hope to see some more this holiday rush!
    Ironically, I don't work for OO anymore, and I'm not in SLC anymore. PDX based, aviation enthusiast, non-aviation worker.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Sun Oct 22, 2017 2:27 am

September passenger numbers for EUG: http://registerguard.com/rg/news/local/ ... t.html.csp

DL + AA gaining, UA essentially flat, AS losing. Some of this is due to the recent QX issues, but from past months it seems like the trend might predate that situation (?)
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:21 am

Just noticed the DL AMS flight is now on a 763. It has been an A333 year round for over a year now. So, is this a new down gauge for the low season, or temporary?
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:50 am

^^^
yikes

I remember last year around this time DL messed with the AMS schedule for a month or so.
There was a 767-400ER on the route for 3-4 days, and all sorts of stuff.

Hopefully it will at least go to an A330-200 for the winter.

--
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Don't want sky miles... but still...
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:57 am

I think I remember reading that flight would be downguaged for the winter but remain daily. It seems like it normally goes 5x per week most winters
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:21 am

pdxav8r wrote:
Just noticed the DL AMS flight is now on a 763. It has been an A333 year round for over a year now. So, is this a new down gauge for the low season, or temporary?


I was shocked when I took the flight a year ago. I was outbound on a Saturday and there was something like 120 onboard. (I was towards the back and heard the flight attendant give the total.) I returned on the following Monday and it was a bit more full, but still less than 1/2 full. This was quite the contrast compared to a few years prior when I was traveling in a group of 5 and we had to book 3 different flights.

I just hope Delta doesn't cancel this or NRT. I love having both.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:36 am

pdxav8r wrote:
ooslc wrote:
UPS 747 about to land at PDX. How often does a UPS 747 come into PDX?


Not often, usually just during the holiday rush. The flight is usually an MD-11 connection, routed SDF-PDX-PVG, and normally Friday only. There looks to have been 2X/week recently, but again with the Mad Dog. Most likely a sub, unless it is a recent upguage. Check it again Friday to see if so.


PDX-PVG is through ANC... (SDF-PDX-ANC-PVG)
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Fri Nov 03, 2017 11:24 pm

PDX spotters UPS is sending two 747-400's to PDX today.....
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:23 pm

AMS has been a 767 every day so far, so, I guess it’s sticking around for winter.

Too bad, but daily service on a smaller plane is a huge bonus compared to less than daily on better aircraft.
So, all good I recon.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 14

Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:11 pm

TransWorldOne wrote:
pnwpdx wrote:
After about a month into the service, does anyone know how DL is doing with PDX-LHR on their seasonal/4 times a week service?


The flight must be doing decently. It resumes earlier next season in March instead of May.



Service terminated this season on 4 October, had been scheduled to run until late October. As of now the schedule shows it resuming on 4 May, not in March as earlier indicated.
^
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 14

Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:01 pm

jbpdx wrote:
TransWorldOne wrote:
pnwpdx wrote:
After about a month into the service, does anyone know how DL is doing with PDX-LHR on their seasonal/4 times a week service?


The flight must be doing decently. It resumes earlier next season in March instead of May.



Service terminated this season on 4 October, had been scheduled to run until late October. As of now the schedule shows it resuming on 4 May, not in March as earlier indicated.


What a bummer! Everyone in PDX seems to think it restarts in March next year. I believe that was the case at one point, no? DL seems to be very "capacity disciplined". I've seen a lot of seasonal reductions out of both SEA and PDX lately. DL is keen to steer clear of even the slightest bit of extra/uneeded capacity in any market, including making last minute adjustments as they see fit. I'm guessing premium demand nonstop to LHR is lagging from PDX. In the slower months it's more cost-effective to funnel passengers through AMS.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 14

Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:56 pm

TransWorldOne wrote:
jbpdx wrote:
TransWorldOne wrote:

The flight must be doing decently. It resumes earlier next season in March instead of May.



Service terminated this season on 4 October, had been scheduled to run until late October. As of now the schedule shows it resuming on 4 May, not in March as earlier indicated.


What a bummer! Everyone in PDX seems to think it restarts in March next year. I believe that was the case at one point, no? DL seems to be very "capacity disciplined". I've seen a lot of seasonal reductions out of both SEA and PDX lately. DL is keen to steer clear of even the slightest bit of extra/uneeded capacity in any market, including making last minute adjustments as they see fit. I'm guessing premium demand nonstop to LHR is lagging from PDX. In the slower months it's more cost-effective to funnel passengers through AMS.


That is a bummer indeed! I was actually looking at flights to London next May and the prices are great with travel around Memorial Day weekend is hovering around $530 roundtrip. Are they increasing the days they are serving this route or is it still 4 times week? And what days are they flying to LHR?

Does anyone know if Delta is bringing back their seasonal HNL service to PDX?
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:01 pm

AS PDX-BZN MAR 0.7>0 APR 1.0>0.0
*AS PDX-MCI MAR 0.7>0 APR 1.0>0.1
*AS PDX-OMA APR 0.8>0.0

At the rate AS has been cutting PDX as of late were going to be nothing more than a focus city once the dust settles.....smh
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 14

Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:03 am

pnwpdx wrote:
That is a bummer indeed! I was actually looking at flights to London next May and the prices are great with travel around Memorial Day weekend is hovering around $530 roundtrip. Are they increasing the days they are serving this route or is it still 4 times week? And what days are they flying to LHR.


Fares look like they’ve dropped about 50% from this year, but $530 r/t looks more like Icelandair. This year first class was mostly full, even with exorbitant fares. Days are same, Mon-Wed-Fri-Sat.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:02 am

lhpdx wrote:
AS PDX-BZN MAR 0.7>0 APR 1.0>0.0
*AS PDX-MCI MAR 0.7>0 APR 1.0>0.1
*AS PDX-OMA APR 0.8>0.0

At the rate AS has been cutting PDX as of late were going to be nothing more than a focus city once the dust settles.....smh


LOL, PDX is just fine & QX is slowly rebounding, indeed all of these cuts are QX operated & two of them are E-175 routes. IMHO, there is something greater of an issue than just pay, if QX can't attract warm crews to fly the whole network.

BZN traffic can easily flow via SEA if QX is still needing to alter routes, it seems AS is adjusting flows to make the VX/AS cutover in April.

The one daily BZN-PDX flight was timed for Hawaii connections & business day trips to PDX. It looks like MCI is being delayed from it's original re-start date in March.

We used to post all the Oregon related excerpts from the OAG thread & we stopped. Is it that no one wants to do the post ot that no one really cares if that info is re-posted here?

I'm doing it today, because UA had some cool adds today to Oregon, but I'm happy to continue to re-post the data weekly, but not if no one is really interested in having the info here. So any feedback is appreciated.

*AS PDX-BZN MAR 0.7>0 APR 1.0>0.0
*AS PDX-MCI MAR 0.7>0 APR 1.0>0.1
*AS PDX-OMA APR 0.8>0.0

UA IAH-PDX MAR 3>2
UA LAX-MFR APR 0>1.5 MAY 0>2 JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2
UA LAX-RDM APR 0>0.7 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
UA ORD-PDX JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5
UA SFO-OTH FEB 0.8>0.6

I like those LAX adds, so will a few people from Crescent City or Brookings. I don't fly UA, but otherwise, that LAX-RDM I'd likely use 2 x yearly.
It's interesting as UA does not offer EUG or PDX to LAX, so is this an attempt at a hub, or just filling open, viable routes with regional jets?

I question how much longer UA will stay at OTH, a super seasonal flight, I don't know if DEN will ever come back. I've heard numbers at Bandon Dunes are way down from just a year or two ago.

A small side note on ORD-PDX flights, it's the same number as SEA is getting from UA during the same period, must be larger planes to SEA.

Finally IAH-PDX, I'd think with Spring Break travel, the IAH flights would be filled with people seeking the sun in Central America/Caribbean/Mexico for UA. Has this route dropped to just two daily departures before, or has the competition eroded UA's passenger numbers?
707 717 720 727-1/2 737-1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9 747-1/2/3/4 757-2/3 767-2/3/4 777-2/3 DC8 DC9 MD80/2/7/8 D10-1/3/4 M11 L10-1/2/5 A300/310/320
AA AC AQ AS BA BD BN CO CS DL EA EZ HA HG HP KL KN MP MW NK NW OZ PA PS QX RC RH RW SA TG TW UA US VS WA WC WN WP YS 8M
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:16 am

I'm all for the weekly posting..........................
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:17 am

I'm sad to report, as a long time Alaska booster, I'm jumping ship in 2018.

As my travel grows, Alaska's operational reliability (I am simply not willing to connect in SEA with Horizon) scares me.
Less emotionally, Alaska cutting ties with Delta, and now to a large extent, American, means I can't get to second tier cities east of the Rockies.
Add in mediocre international partners out of PDX (I flew paid Condor business this year, Icelandair a few times, and they underwhelmed), and I can't do it.

I'm moving all my spend to Delta. I'll be back to using the NRT/AMS flights, and will certainly try out the LHR.
Yes, I'll have to connect in SLC, MSP or ATL for some things - but I can't rely on Alaska anymore.

(I'll use AS for the PDX-OAK/SAN type stuff still).

I canceled my BofA Alaska card today, and will put my spend on other cards.

Part of me is sad.
Part of me is honestly mad.

MVP for ~8 years, Gold last 5 years and I'll hit 75k this year for the first time.
I put a lot of faith in Alaska, and I blindly would book them, at any price, to stay loyal.
I flew almost every non-stop in their system out of PDX.

I can't do it anymore.
Want to get to MSN, OKC, TPA, MIA, DEN, BDA, from PDX? Not easy on Alaska anymore.
Delta will get me there in one stop, plus I can get around the world easily.

I know no one at Alaska will care, but, I went out of my way to fly my staff and friends on Alaska.
I've got almost a million miles banked with them that I'll need to burn off.

Oh well, I'm sure Delta won't roll out the red carpet for me, but they can get me where I need to go.
Alaska used to be able to.
They can't anymore, so I'm switching teams :/
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