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Alaska using CRJ-700 again?

Sun Jan 15, 2017 2:49 am

Saw an article suggesting that Alaska will bring back the CRJ-700. I have never heard of this website nor can I read the article since it's behind a paywall, but does anyone know if there is any truth to it? Seems strange to bring back an aircraft they just retired, but then again, SkyWest might have given them a really good deal and passengers would probably prefer it over the Q400...

http://ch-aviation.com/portal/news/5222 ... rj-700-ops
 
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Re: Alaska using CRJ-700 again?

Sun Jan 15, 2017 2:58 am

True SkyWest is covering some QX flights this month and all of next. Beyond that who knows.. QX has been struggling latley, they parked 2 Q400's because of crew issues..
 
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Re: Alaska using CRJ-700 again?

Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:51 am

They have been subbing them in for the E175 on occasion. Today the used on for SEA-FAT. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SKW3432/history/20170114/2100Z/KSEA/KFAT
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Re: Alaska using CRJ-700 again?

Sun Jan 15, 2017 4:05 am

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They have been subbing them in for the E175 on occasion. Today the used on for SEA-FAT. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SKW3432/history/20170114/2100Z/KSEA/KFAT


Do these aircraft carry Horizon liveries and interiors?
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Re: Alaska using CRJ-700 again?

Sun Jan 15, 2017 4:07 am

Horizon pilots will be getting trained on the E175, so they need coverage for some routes (mainly SEA-PDX I think). They're on the schedule in March.
 
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Re: Alaska using CRJ-700 again?

Sun Jan 15, 2017 4:12 am

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Horizon pilots will be getting trained on the E175, so they need coverage for some routes (mainly SEA-PDX I think). They're on the schedule in March.


I looked at March 13th, same day R/T. I saw one E-175, one 739, one 738 & lots of 2000 range flight numbers that are Q-400's, IIRC QX operates any 2000 range flight number & OO the 3000 flight numbers for AAG, correct?
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Re: Alaska using CRJ-700 again?

Sun Jan 15, 2017 4:37 am

kabq737 wrote:
rspicer wrote:
They have been subbing them in for the E175 on occasion. Today the used on for SEA-FAT. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SKW3432/history/20170114/2100Z/KSEA/KFAT


Do these aircraft carry Horizon liveries and interiors?


These are the same aircraft that have been flying for AS the past 10 years. First at QX. Then OO. All coach 70 seats.
 
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Re: Alaska using CRJ-700 again?

Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:54 am

That's not entirely true, the original QX birds were sold to ASA and fly under the Delta Connection banner. The OO birds are configured in 70 seats like the QX birds however
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Re: Alaska using CRJ-700 again?

Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:02 am

amcnd wrote:
kabq737 wrote:
rspicer wrote:
They have been subbing them in for the E175 on occasion. Today the used on for SEA-FAT. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SKW3432/history/20170114/2100Z/KSEA/KFAT


Do these aircraft carry Horizon liveries and interiors?


These are the same aircraft that have been flying for AS the past 10 years. First at QX. Then OO. All coach 70 seats.

Ok thanks. Just wasn't sure since the CRJs were supposed to be retired.
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Re: Alaska using CRJ-700 again?

Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:19 am

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That's not entirely true, the original QX birds were sold to ASA and fly under the Delta Connection banner. The OO birds are configured in 70 seats like the QX birds however


Only 8 of the 21 went to Delta/ASA. Three are at Skywest flying under the Delta banner (613, 616, & 617QX), and a handful ended up overseas at various places.

I believe Skywest had 7 operating under the Alaska banner.
 
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Re: Alaska using CRJ-700 again?

Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:27 am

The QX aircraft that ExpressJet are being converted into AA CR7 equipment.
 
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Re: Alaska using CRJ-700 again?

Sun Jan 15, 2017 4:14 pm

I do know that SkyWest (and likely other regionals) has a number of "generic" painted airframes of each fleet type that can be used on any partner with just a few small interior changes (swapping galley carts, seat back material, lav soap, etc). They do this not just to minimize the need for spares, but also to be ready for "opportunities" such as this.
 
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Re: Alaska using CRJ-700 again?

Sun Jan 15, 2017 4:59 pm

The CRJ-700 will be eventually be retired (only 2 remain), but SkyWest is still covering some flights with them on an as-needed basis. SkyWest has removed the Alaska CR7 from their website, and Alaska no longer has it in their magazine.
 
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Re: Alaska using CRJ-700 again?

Sun Jan 15, 2017 5:07 pm

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The CRJ-700 will be eventually be retired (only 2 remain), but SkyWest is still covering some flights with them on an as-needed basis. SkyWest has removed the Alaska CR7 from their website, and Alaska no longer has it in their magazine.


Yeah, my whole point of this thread was that Alaska announced the official retirement of the a/c (effective a few months ago), and seemingly took it off most of their products. Now it's back. I'm wondering for how long...sounds like until Horizon can staff the Q400 again. Not a good sign for Horizon when this is the slow season, even if a lot of their pilots are in E175 school.
 
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Re: Alaska using CRJ-700 again?

Sun Jan 15, 2017 5:39 pm

ucdtim17 wrote:
Horizon pilots will be getting trained on the E175, so they need coverage for some routes (mainly SEA-PDX I think). They're on the schedule in March.


Horizon will not be able to staff the number of 175's they have on order, even if they park the number of planned Q400s, without significant increases in compensation for pilots. It wouldn't surprise me to see Skywest end up with a chunk of the 175's that are supposed to go to Horizon.
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Re: Alaska using CRJ-700 again?

Sun Jan 15, 2017 5:46 pm

I hesitate to bring this up again, but with Horizon picking up E175s, what is the future relationship between ALK and Skywest? I suspect that Alaska will continue to contract with Skywest, but does anyone have any insight as to how they will determine which company gets which new route?

When ALK created McGee Air Service (or whatever their new ground-handling unit is called), they made a point to tell shareholders that McGee would be offering competitive bids with other companies (Menzies), is this going the be the future model with Horizon growth? Horizon puts in a bid, and if Skywest can match it they get it, but the home-field advantage goes to Horizon since ALK gains the profits?
 
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Re: Alaska using CRJ-700 again?

Sun Jan 15, 2017 5:49 pm

RWA380 wrote:
ucdtim17 wrote:
Horizon pilots will be getting trained on the E175, so they need coverage for some routes (mainly SEA-PDX I think). They're on the schedule in March.


I looked at March 13th, same day R/T. I saw one E-175, one 739, one 738 & lots of 2000 range flight numbers that are Q-400's, IIRC QX operates any 2000 range flight number & OO the 3000 flight numbers for AAG, correct?


They're on the schedule March 11. Maybe that's the last day?
 
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Re: Alaska using CRJ-700 again?

Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:03 pm

flyfresno wrote:
I do know that SkyWest (and likely other regionals) has a number of "generic" painted airframes of each fleet type that can be used on any partner with just a few small interior changes (swapping galley carts, seat back material, lav soap, etc). They do this not just to minimize the need for spares, but also to be ready for "opportunities" such as this.



I believe they only have CRJ's like that. I haven't seen or heard of them having any CR7s/E75s like that. And they actually don't put any seatback material on those birds. I've actually seen them come into a station and swap between carriers overnight.
 
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Re: Alaska using CRJ-700 again?

Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:19 pm

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I hesitate to bring this up again, but with Horizon picking up E175s, what is the future relationship between ALK and Skywest? I suspect that Alaska will continue to contract with Skywest, but does anyone have any insight as to how they will determine which company gets which new route?

When ALK created McGee Air Service (or whatever their new ground-handling unit is called), they made a point to tell shareholders that McGee would be offering competitive bids with other companies (Menzies), is this going the be the future model with Horizon growth? Horizon puts in a bid, and if Skywest can match it they get it, but the home-field advantage goes to Horizon since ALK gains the profits?


Haha I hesitate to bring this up again as well, but if history has taught the airlines anything, it's that having more than one regional airline is good for a number of reasons...
 
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Re: Alaska using CRJ-700 again?

Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:25 pm

ericm2031 wrote:
flyfresno wrote:
I do know that SkyWest (and likely other regionals) has a number of "generic" painted airframes of each fleet type that can be used on any partner with just a few small interior changes (swapping galley carts, seat back material, lav soap, etc). They do this not just to minimize the need for spares, but also to be ready for "opportunities" such as this.



I believe they only have CRJ's like that. I haven't seen or heard of them having any CR7s/E75s like that. And they actually don't put any seatback material on those birds. I've actually seen them come into a station and swap between carriers overnight.


I know there used to be -700s and -900s like that too, but perhaps they are gone (repainted) now? No idea about the 175.
 
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Re: Alaska using CRJ-700 again?

Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:32 pm

flyfresno wrote:
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I hesitate to bring this up again, but with Horizon picking up E175s, what is the future relationship between ALK and Skywest? I suspect that Alaska will continue to contract with Skywest, but does anyone have any insight as to how they will determine which company gets which new route?

When ALK created McGee Air Service (or whatever their new ground-handling unit is called), they made a point to tell shareholders that McGee would be offering competitive bids with other companies (Menzies), is this going the be the future model with Horizon growth? Horizon puts in a bid, and if Skywest can match it they get it, but the home-field advantage goes to Horizon since ALK gains the profits?


Haha I hesitate to bring this up again as well, but if history has taught the airlines anything, it's that having more than one regional airline is good for a number of reasons...


Why? Right now, the regionals are consolidating in a hurry, with wholly owned carriers being the fastest growing, via attrition from non-owned.
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Re: Alaska using CRJ-700 again?

Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:49 pm

DiamondFlyer wrote:
flyfresno wrote:
NameOmitted wrote:
I hesitate to bring this up again, but with Horizon picking up E175s, what is the future relationship between ALK and Skywest? I suspect that Alaska will continue to contract with Skywest, but does anyone have any insight as to how they will determine which company gets which new route?

When ALK created McGee Air Service (or whatever their new ground-handling unit is called), they made a point to tell shareholders that McGee would be offering competitive bids with other companies (Menzies), is this going the be the future model with Horizon growth? Horizon puts in a bid, and if Skywest can match it they get it, but the home-field advantage goes to Horizon since ALK gains the profits?


Haha I hesitate to bring this up again as well, but if history has taught the airlines anything, it's that having more than one regional airline is good for a number of reasons...


Why? Right now, the regionals are consolidating in a hurry, with wholly owned carriers being the fastest growing, via attrition from non-owned.


Well the Comair strike is probably the most glaring example of a major (Delta) getting screwed by not having enough diversification, but this thread itself is another. Alaska might have had to cancel these flights or, in extreme examples, operate them on their own metal if Horizon had been their only regional (Delta has, from time to time, replaced cancelled regional flights with mainline equipment, but that's rare). Delta used SkyWest a lot on short notice when another upper Midwest regional couldn't staff flights and only gave them a few weeks notice, and they also replaced some flights out of DEN on a different regional for UAL with only a few weeks notice a while back. If anything, the pilot shortage is more of a reason to have multiple regionals.
 
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Re: Alaska using CRJ-700 again?

Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:51 pm

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Delta used SkyWest a lot on short notice when another upper Midwest regional couldn't staff flights and only gave them a few weeks notice, and they also replaced some flights out of DEN on a different regional for UAL with only a few weeks notice a while back. If anything, the pilot shortage is more of a reason to have multiple regionals.


How recently has Skywest been used to cover for DCI on short notice? Other than GoJet/Compass, none of the DCI carriers have been in much trouble.
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Re: Alaska using CRJ-700 again?

Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:55 pm

DiamondFlyer wrote:
flyfresno wrote:
Delta used SkyWest a lot on short notice when another upper Midwest regional couldn't staff flights and only gave them a few weeks notice, and they also replaced some flights out of DEN on a different regional for UAL with only a few weeks notice a while back. If anything, the pilot shortage is more of a reason to have multiple regionals.


How recently has Skywest been used to cover for DCI on short notice? Other than GoJet/Compass, none of the DCI carriers have been in much trouble.


I'm not sure if it's still happening, but had multiple Endeavor flights I flew on turn into SkyWest flights two summers ago (2015). Mesa also had trouble staffing for a long time.
 
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Re: Alaska using CRJ-700 again?

Sat Jan 21, 2017 3:26 am

Apparently OO will be flying some CRJ-200's for AS as well. Interesting since they don't have anything that small flying for them currently.

http://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/ ... rj-200-ops.
 
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Re: Alaska using CRJ-700 again?

Sat Jan 21, 2017 6:47 am

As a former QX-er having been laid off a year ago so QX could lower their costs to bring in the -175, I'm not surprised by the shortages. They were short pilots already with the current fleet...did they just assume that magically people would jump on board because they got jets? The price of training is still high, the appeal of an airline pilot job isn't the best due to the low ROI (granted that has improved over the last 8-10 years), and the more senior QX guys are getting the jet...not the new-hires.

From people I know at AAG who are in the flight department and who had flown with QX, they say Horizon is a mess right now. They cut jobs to make room in the books, but now they're understaffed and can't keep up with the workload. Frankly, it's really sad to see what Horizon is becoming. What use to be a premier regional that was somewhat coveted by pilots to fly for is quickly turning into just another regional. My first job out of high school was at QX in Portland, and I have such fond memories of those times. Unfortunately, the airline has evolved and not necessarily in a good way.

If I were looking for a pilot job, I'd go to SkyWest. Guaranteed your in a jet and seemingly OO is not going anywhere anytime soon. QX on the other hand, it wouldn't surprise me if OO bought QX from AAG. Unlikely to happen, but it wouldn't be a shock.
 
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Re: Alaska using CRJ-700 again?

Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:33 am

ericm2031 wrote:
Apparently OO will be flying some CRJ-200's for AS as well. Interesting since they don't have anything that small flying for them currently.

http://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/ ... rj-200-ops.


Does the article mention how many or routes?
 
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Re: Alaska using CRJ-700 again?

Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:38 am

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That's not entirely true, the original QX birds were sold to ASA and fly under the Delta Connection banner. The OO birds are configured in 70 seats like the QX birds however


These were all originally still under lease by Alaska Air Group, not ASA/ExpressJet or Delta. They were sublet.
 
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Re: Alaska using CRJ-700 again?

Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:42 am

flyfresno wrote:
I do know that SkyWest (and likely other regionals) has a number of "generic" painted airframes of each fleet type that can be used on any partner with just a few small interior changes (swapping galley carts, seat back material, lav soap, etc). They do this not just to minimize the need for spares, but also to be ready for "opportunities" such as this.


Correct. But only -200's. Which explains why every now and then a -200 will fly for DL out of SEA, even though DL advertises all flights on 3-class equipment. OO had a RJ7 AOG in MFR the other week after a deviation from SEA-PSP and had to fly up a -200 from PSP and fly around the Pac NW for a few days.
 
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Re: Alaska using CRJ-700 again?

Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:31 pm

SkyWest has never had 200's under a contract with AS. They have only been temp MX spares.. just wondering what the article says. ( no subscription) sounds like 200's could be a full time thing now??? Bad omen for Horizon..
 
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Re: Alaska using CRJ-700 again?

Sun Jan 22, 2017 5:17 am

They are using the -700s. Saw two in SEA on Friday.
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Re: Alaska using CRJ-700 again?

Sun Jan 22, 2017 5:25 am

Were those planes just parked somewhere waiting for Alaska to call them back into service for a few weeks? Where? It was worth's OO's interest to pay to keep them airworthy but just keep them parked in case AS wanted them back?
 
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Re: Alaska using CRJ-700 again?

Sun Jan 22, 2017 5:29 am

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Were those planes just parked somewhere waiting for Alaska to call them back into service for a few weeks? Where? It was worth's OO's interest to pay to keep them airworthy but just keep them parked in case AS wanted them back?


Numerous SKW operated 700's being flown for United are/have been coming off contract. Some of them have moved over to flying for AA at SKW, some are being moved to XJT, in any case, SKW has excess 700's currently.
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Re: Alaska using CRJ-700 again?

Sun Jan 22, 2017 5:40 am

DiamondFlyer wrote:
ucdtim17 wrote:
Were those planes just parked somewhere waiting for Alaska to call them back into service for a few weeks? Where? It was worth's OO's interest to pay to keep them airworthy but just keep them parked in case AS wanted them back?


Numerous SKW operated 700's being flown for United are/have been coming off contract. Some of them have moved over to flying for AA at SKW, some are being moved to XJT, in any case, SKW has excess 700's currently.


Yeah but the AS planes are painted in AS paint, UA planes in UA, etc. The interiors are not the same I assume. They're not exactly interchangeable.
 
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Re: Alaska using CRJ-700 again?

Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:01 am

Pretty sure these are the planes that had previously been flown for AS. I think they were sitting in FAT.
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Re: Alaska using CRJ-700 again?

Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:15 am

ucdtim17 wrote:
DiamondFlyer wrote:
ucdtim17 wrote:
Were those planes just parked somewhere waiting for Alaska to call them back into service for a few weeks? Where? It was worth's OO's interest to pay to keep them airworthy but just keep them parked in case AS wanted them back?


Numerous SKW operated 700's being flown for United are/have been coming off contract. Some of them have moved over to flying for AA at SKW, some are being moved to XJT, in any case, SKW has excess 700's currently.


Yeah but the AS planes are painted in AS paint, UA planes in UA, etc. The interiors are not the same I assume. They're not exactly interchangeable.


And yes, the interiors are way different. The AS ones are 70Y, UA ones are 6F, 64Y/Y+. And most, if not all, of the remaining UA ones have Wi-fi

I really wish someone had more details on the -200's. Wonder if these are just to fill in some shortages or if maybe we could see some new things tried out with these.
 
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Re: Alaska using CRJ-700 again?

Sun Jan 22, 2017 2:12 pm

That news website above seems kokie..they see on mx spare flying around and they post something... SkyWest hasn't said a word about the 700's AS flying. Only internal referace was made to SEA based crews that AS pairing were back for February..
 
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Re: Alaska using CRJ-700 again?

Sat Jan 28, 2017 8:51 pm

According to the company site, the CR7 will fly in the AS system until early summer and the CR2 for 20 days starting mid-Feb. No specific reason given, would assume staffing issues at QX.

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