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Air India to Start Delhi to Washington DC non stop from July 2017

Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:58 am

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/toi- ... 593793.cms

Effective July 17, Air India will start 3 weekly flights between Delhi and Washington using a B777.
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Mon Jan 16, 2017 10:03 am

It's about time they started this route.
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Mon Jan 16, 2017 10:12 am

Finally.
 
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Mon Jan 16, 2017 10:54 am

Is it going to be a 777-300ER(if it has the range?) or 200LR? Also I wonder how it will affect the ME3 and maybe SV?
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Can't imagine 3 weekly flights will do much against 21 weekly flights on EK/EY/QR.
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Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:31 am

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Can't imagine 3 weekly flights will do much against 21 weekly flights on EK/EY/QR.


Air India commenced San Francisco with 3 weekly, and then upped it to 6 weekly when they were comfortable enough. I think it's a good idea.
 
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Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:42 am

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Can't imagine 3 weekly flights will do much against 21 weekly flights on EK/EY/QR.


Air India commenced San Francisco with 3 weekly, and then upped it to 6 weekly when they were comfortable enough. I think it's a good idea.


correct. also EY lowered frequency to 3 weekly from daily, I guess AI did affect them.
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Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:44 am

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Can't imagine 3 weekly flights will do much against 21 weekly flights on EK/EY/QR.


Air India commenced San Francisco with 3 weekly, and then upped it to 6 weekly when they were comfortable enough. I think it's a good idea.


correct. also EY lowered frequency to 3 weekly from daily, I guess AI did affect them.


EY is daily SFO-AUH when I just searched.

Of course AI will affect them from IAD, but not much.
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atal17 wrote:

Air India commenced San Francisco with 3 weekly, and then upped it to 6 weekly when they were comfortable enough. I think it's a good idea.


correct. also EY lowered frequency to 3 weekly from daily, I guess AI did affect them.


EY is daily SFO-AUH when I just searched.

Of course AI will affect them from IAD, but not much.


Will be lowered from February.

AI makes a killing on Delhi-San Francisco, Y fares are certainly not cheap for the flight...
 
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Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:21 pm

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Is it going to be a 777-300ER(if it has the range?) or 200LR?

Depends which one has the most parts in place. :rotfl:
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Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:22 pm

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Can't imagine 3 weekly flights will do much against 21 weekly flights on EK/EY/QR.

Apart from leading to EY frequency reduction, AI nonstop to SFO also decreased EK's load factor by 10%, and that was when AI operated only 3 frequencies to SFO (BTS data is currently only updated till June 2016). On Ultra long haul, 10% could be the difference between money earning and money burning.

AI should now start a DEL-LAX on B787 or use their FRA-LAX 5th freedom rights. AI also has 5th freedom rights for LHR-IAD, but slots at LHR are very limited.
 
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Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:14 pm

ojas wrote:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/toi-features/business/air-india-to-fly-delhi-washington-non-stop-from-july/articleshow/56593793.cms

Effective July 17, Air India will start 3 weekly flights between Delhi and Washington using a B777.

HOW long is that flight time and what is the miles distance?
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Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:15 pm

From a while back I heard that the third 777-200LR would be used for the Washington flight. AI 111/112 (DEL-LHR) would be then up-gauged to the 777-300ER. Don't know if these plans will still hold, though.
 
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Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:20 pm

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HOW long is that flight time and what is the miles distance?


DEL-IAD is 12080 km (7506 mi). Longer than DEL-ORD, but shorter than DEL-SFO. Looking at last year rumours the route will be operated by 777-200LR. Flight time will be about 16h 30min.
 
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Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:17 pm

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Can't imagine 3 weekly flights will do much against 21 weekly flights on EK/EY/QR.

Apart from leading to EY frequency reduction, AI nonstop to SFO also decreased EK's load factor by 10%, and that was when AI operated only 3 frequencies to SFO (BTS data is currently only updated till June 2016). On Ultra long haul, 10% could be the difference between money earning and money burning.

AI should now start a DEL-LAX on B787 or use their FRA-LAX 5th freedom rights. AI also has 5th freedom rights for LHR-IAD, but slots at LHR are very limited.


The SFO reduction is the result of Etihad being incented by DFW to go daily and has nothing to do with AI impact on load factor. EY is short on long haul frames. I'm sure EY will be back to daily SFO in due time. I think there is also overcapacity, in general, with regards to the ME3. EK is going from double daily A380 to LAX to A380/77W as well.
 
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Air India is also to open Delhi-Copenhagen in may 2017 according to Air India twitter accounts says...
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Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:53 pm

Irehdna wrote:
From a while back I heard that the third 777-200LR would be used for the Washington flight. AI 111/112 (DEL-LHR) would be then up-gauged to the 777-300ER. Don't know if these plans will still hold, though.


However the problem with this is.. what will happen when its maintenance time for any of the B77L..

A solution could be that PM Modi should settle with B77L as AI 1. 2 B77L can be seperated out for AI 1.

And all the 3 coming B77W be put into service. This will mean upgrading SFO and LHR (afternoon flight)to B77W and IAD on B77L
 
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Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:17 pm

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..A solution ..


Or AI should just buy back 5xB77Ls from EY. $25 Million each is a good FMV and give access to few more stations.

AI should find money somewhere and redo interiors and IFE of its entire B777 fleet. Drop First add latest generation IFE with WiFi high storage capacity and even go with clinical vinyl rather than cloth.

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Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:43 pm

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AI should find money somewhere and redo interiors and IFE of its entire B777 fleet.


Honestly I agree that F is pointless. AI should just make a lay-flat J, preferably "high density aisle access" (similar to what EK and EY use on A380). Y should remain 3-3-3 as AI has among the best economy seats room of any airline. (Premium eco would be nice too!)

Does anybody know if VT-ALV/W/X (the 3 new 77Ws) will have a new interior/configuration?
 
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Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:43 pm

ojas wrote:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/toi-features/business/air-india-to-fly-delhi-washington-non-stop-from-july/articleshow/56593793.cms

Effective July 17, Air India will start 3 weekly flights between Delhi and Washington using a B777.

So, this leaves IAH, DFW, MIA as some of the major airports without a non stop link to DEL or BOM? I am not suggesting that there is a market, just making an observation. I suspect that if AI wanted to expand, they may look at DFW or IAH next. Are they able to make money with their existing non stops to SFO,ORD,JFK and EWR though?
 
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747megatop wrote:
ojas wrote:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/toi-features/business/air-india-to-fly-delhi-washington-non-stop-from-july/articleshow/56593793.cms

Effective July 17, Air India will start 3 weekly flights between Delhi and Washington using a B777.

So, this leaves IAH, DFW, MIA as some of the major airports without a non stop link to DEL or BOM? I am not suggesting that there is a market, just making an observation. I suspect that if AI wanted to expand, they may look at DFW or IAH next. Are they able to make money with their existing non stops to SFO,ORD,JFK and EWR though?


Logically LAX and BOS should be the next two US destinations if AI chooses to expand in the USA further.
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Mon Jan 16, 2017 6:04 pm

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usflyer123 wrote:
Is it going to be a 777-300ER(if it has the range?) or 200LR?

Depends which one has the most parts in place. :rotfl:


My first thought was that at least IAD has copious remote stand space for parking broken 777s of either length.
 
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readytotaxi wrote:
usflyer123 wrote:
Is it going to be a 777-300ER(if it has the range?) or 200LR?

Depends which one has the most parts in place. :rotfl:


My first thought was that at least IAD has copious remote stand space for parking broken 777s of either length.


But even after several warnings and built up fake claims on NeverAI.net people are paying premium for kit planes and grannies over shiny planes and hot FAs. Case in point SFO. Wonder why?
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Mon Jan 16, 2017 6:59 pm

ojas wrote:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/toi-features/business/air-india-to-fly-delhi-washington-non-stop-from-july/articleshow/56593793.cms

Effective July 17, Air India will start 3 weekly flights between Delhi and Washington using a B777.

Effective July 2017, not July 17, 2017 right? I don't see any source for the exact start date. I wish AI would announce that first.
 
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Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:10 pm

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Can't imagine 3 weekly flights will do much against 21 weekly flights on EK/EY/QR.


Their position isn't all that bad, since they codeshare on LH419 as AI8644. This way, they can offer ten weekly connections between IAD and DEL, three of them non-stop and seven via FRA. (Not to take into account any possible interline connections).
 
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Depends which one has the most parts in place. :rotfl:


My first thought was that at least IAD has copious remote stand space for parking broken 777s of either length.


But even after several warnings and built up fake claims on NeverAI.net people are paying premium for kit planes and grannies over shiny planes and hot FAs. Case in point SFO. Wonder why?


Assuming what you say is true, the obvious explanation would be that people like nonstop flights. That's pretty much the entire business case with these routes.

I'm not sure what the heck your reply had to do with my post, in any event - it's pretty much beyond dispute that AI has had some unusual maintenance practices and issues with its widebody fleet, including a 777 that was stranded for several months at EWR, a Star hub in the US with quite a bit less spare stand space than IAD.
 
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it's pretty much beyond dispute that AI has had some unusual maintenance practices and issues with its widebody fleet, including a 777 that was stranded for several months at EWR, a Star hub in the US with quite a bit less spare stand space than IAD.


Undisputed based on what, a blogger's claims who is not qualified to judge a plane's functional state.

Any mothballed B77L shell left outdoors in a semi-arid tropical region looks just like VT-ALH.
Any B788 going thru central wingbox repairs inside a customer hanger will be out of service for 11 months VT-ANI
Any B788 with both GEnXes need overhaul will be out of service for a while.
Any scrapped 30 year old A320s in a third world country will be parked on airport property with liveries still on.
Any B77W hit by catering truck have to wait until insurance company fixes it. VT-ALT @EWR

None of these are unusual maintenance practices. Built up fake news planted by one blogger doesn't change airframes' airworthiness.

BTW VT-ALH is doing world record route comfortably.
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Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:27 pm

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Undisputed based on what, a blogger's claims who is not qualified to judge a plane's functional state.

Any mothballed B77L shell left outdoors in a semi-arid tropical region looks just like VT-ALH.
Any B788 going thru central wingbox repairs inside a customer hanger will be out of service for 11 months VT-ANI
Any B788 with both GEnXes need overhaul will be out of service for a while.
Any scrapped 30 year old A320s in a third world country will be parked on airport property with liveries still on.
Any B77W hit by catering truck have to wait until insurance company fixes it. VT-ALT @EWR

None of these are unusual maintenance practices.


Are you really going to fight this battle again... now that it looks like AI has finally cleaned up its act?

The only one of those things that was remotely "usual," where "usual" means maintenance practices like those of any other airline of AI's size anywhere in the world, was the delay in repairing the truck-accident 77W. No other airline has ever had one 3-year-old 787, let alone two, out of service for nearly a year -- and that includes the five other operators of very early frames. No other airline keeps airframes out of service to overhaul engines. No other airline has left a four-year-old 777 to rot on the tarmac, having to incur great expense to make it once again airworthy. These are practices that AI itself has abandoned and that aren't defensible. These days, if AI has an issue in IAD, it will get fixed in the same way as any other AOG situation.
 
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Air India is flying mostly to Star Alliance hubs- other than JFK, EWR, ORD, IAD, and SFO are Star hubs.
 
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Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:41 pm

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Can't imagine 3 weekly flights will do much against 21 weekly flights on EK/EY/QR.

Apart from leading to EY frequency reduction, AI nonstop to SFO also decreased EK's load factor by 10%, and that was when AI operated only 3 frequencies to SFO (BTS data is currently only updated till June 2016). On Ultra long haul, 10% could be the difference between money earning and money burning.

AI should now start a DEL-LAX on B787 or use their FRA-LAX 5th freedom rights. AI also has 5th freedom rights for LHR-IAD, but slots at LHR are very limited.


The SFO reduction is the result of Etihad being incented by DFW to go daily and has nothing to do with AI impact on load factor. EY is short on long haul frames. I'm sure EY will be back to daily SFO in due time. I think there is also overcapacity, in general, with regards to the ME3. EK is going from double daily A380 to LAX to A380/77W as well.


SFOA380 - do you have a source for this? What kind of incentives did DFW provide EY to go daily on the route?
 
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it's pretty much beyond dispute that AI has had some unusual maintenance practices and issues with its widebody fleet, including a 777 that was stranded for several months at EWR, a Star hub in the US with quite a bit less spare stand space than IAD.


Undisputed based on what, a blogger's claims who is not qualified to judge a plane's functional state.

Any mothballed B77L shell left outdoors in a semi-arid tropical region looks just like VT-ALH.
Any B788 going thru central wingbox repairs inside a customer hanger will be out of service for 11 months VT-ANI
Any B788 with both GEnXes need overhaul will be out of service for a while.
Any scrapped 30 year old A320s in a third world country will be parked on airport property with liveries still on.
Any B77W hit by catering truck have to wait until insurance company fixes it. VT-ALT @EWR

None of these are unusual maintenance practices. Built up fake news planted by one blogger doesn't change airframes' airworthiness.

BTW VT-ALH is doing world record route comfortably.
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OK, I forgot that you apparently think that the first few of these - mothballed nearly-new airplanes stored in tropical climates, multiple nearly brand-new 787s out of service for extended periods of time - are normal occurrences at one relatively modest-sized airline. Taken in isolation, none of these incidents would be especially troublesome (weird things do happen, especially when insurance companies get involved), but taken together they are indeed pretty suggestive of a very unusual situation. There's already been at least one unnecessarily long thread on this filled with entirely unconvincing arguments made (maybe by you) in support of the position you advocate above. I have no dog in this fight, and from my perspective your opinion does not hold water. Have a nice day.
 
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Are you really going to fight this battle again... now that it looks like AI has finally cleaned up its act?

The only one of those things that was remotely "usual," where "usual" means maintenance practices like those of any other airline of AI's size anywhere in the world, was the delay in repairing the truck-accident 77W. No other airline has ever had one 3-year-old 787, let alone two, out of service for nearly a year -- and that includes the five other operators of very early frames. No other airline keeps airframes out of service to overhaul engines. No other airline has left a four-year-old 777 to rot on the tarmac, having to incur great expense to make it once again airworthy. These are practices that AI itself has abandoned and that aren't defensible. These days, if AI has an issue in IAD, it will get fixed in the same way as any other AOG situation.


77Ls- Mothballed when there was no demand and reactivated when there is demand. I am sure a.net would have preferred AI hiring few guys and few tugs, and keep moving surplus capacity around the hub. Like a famous one doing right now.
777 AOG repairs - Like any other public enterprise it has to float RFP wait a month and issue PO before repairs can start. With surplus capacity it didn't see any need to expedite repairs.
AOG Engine Overhaul: If there was a desperate need and available funds, AI would have purchased spare engines. Neither conditions were present.
787 - No other airline received B788's with so many birth defects either. Now that we know the reason why ANI was AOG and who was delaying parts, it is a shame.

Keep it in mind, these WBs were purchased as a quid-pro-quo not that AI needed or wanted them.
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Apart from leading to EY frequency reduction, AI nonstop to SFO also decreased EK's load factor by 10%, and that was when AI operated only 3 frequencies to SFO (BTS data is currently only updated till June 2016). On Ultra long haul, 10% could be the difference between money earning and money burning.

AI should now start a DEL-LAX on B787 or use their FRA-LAX 5th freedom rights. AI also has 5th freedom rights for LHR-IAD, but slots at LHR are very limited.


The SFO reduction is the result of Etihad being incented by DFW to go daily and has nothing to do with AI impact on load factor. EY is short on long haul frames. I'm sure EY will be back to daily SFO in due time. I think there is also overcapacity, in general, with regards to the ME3. EK is going from double daily A380 to LAX to A380/77W as well.


SFOA380 - do you have a source for this? What kind of incentives did DFW provide EY to go daily on the route?


A high-level official at SFO told me during a recent conversation. Someone from DFW can chime in on exactly what this would be.
 
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Apart from leading to EY frequency reduction, AI nonstop to SFO also decreased EK's load factor by 10%, and that was when AI operated only 3 frequencies to SFO (BTS data is currently only updated till June 2016). On Ultra long haul, 10% could be the difference between money earning and money burning.

AI should now start a DEL-LAX on B787 or use their FRA-LAX 5th freedom rights. AI also has 5th freedom rights for LHR-IAD, but slots at LHR are very limited.


The SFO reduction is the result of Etihad being incented by DFW to go daily and has nothing to do with AI impact on load factor. EY is short on long haul frames. I'm sure EY will be back to daily SFO in due time. I think there is also overcapacity, in general, with regards to the ME3. EK is going from double daily A380 to LAX to A380/77W as well.


SFOA380 - do you have a source for this? What kind of incentives did DFW provide EY to go daily on the route?


DFW does provide incentives, but he is completely wrong about one thing. Ive spoken with people at EY personally. The move had didn't have to do with incentives.
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The SFO reduction is the result of Etihad being incented by DFW to go daily and has nothing to do with AI impact on load factor. EY is short on long haul frames. I'm sure EY will be back to daily SFO in due time. I think there is also overcapacity, in general, with regards to the ME3. EK is going from double daily A380 to LAX to A380/77W as well.


SFOA380 - do you have a source for this? What kind of incentives did DFW provide EY to go daily on the route?


DFW does provide incentives, but he is completely wrong about one thing. Ive spoken with people at EY personally. The move didn't have to do with incentives.
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ojas wrote:
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ojas wrote:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/toi-features/business/air-india-to-fly-delhi-washington-non-stop-from-july/articleshow/56593793.cms

Effective July 17, Air India will start 3 weekly flights between Delhi and Washington using a B777.

So, this leaves IAH, DFW, MIA as some of the major airports without a non stop link to DEL or BOM? I am not suggesting that there is a market, just making an observation. I suspect that if AI wanted to expand, they may look at DFW or IAH next. Are they able to make money with their existing non stops to SFO,ORD,JFK and EWR though?


Logically LAX and BOS should be the next two US destinations if AI chooses to expand in the USA further.


given the size of LA over DC, I'm surprised they didn't start the former first. Maybe gov't related travel is part of it?
 
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Apart from leading to EY frequency reduction, AI nonstop to SFO also decreased EK's load factor by 10%, and that was when AI operated only 3 frequencies to SFO (BTS data is currently only updated till June 2016). On Ultra long haul, 10% could be the difference between money earning and money burning.

AI should now start a DEL-LAX on B787 or use their FRA-LAX 5th freedom rights. AI also has 5th freedom rights for LHR-IAD, but slots at LHR are very limited.


The SFO reduction is the result of Etihad being incented by DFW to go daily and has nothing to do with AI impact on load factor. EY is short on long haul frames. I'm sure EY will be back to daily SFO in due time. I think there is also overcapacity, in general, with regards to the ME3. EK is going from double daily A380 to LAX to A380/77W as well.


SFOA380 - do you have a source for this? What kind of incentives did DFW provide EY to go daily on the route?


The airline will receive an estimated $1.7 million in incentives from the airport under a program meant to increase international service at DFW. The incentive program does not involve taxpayer dollars.


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Re: Air India to Start Delhi to Washington DC non stop from July 2017

Mon Jan 16, 2017 10:14 pm

legacyins wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
SFOA380 wrote:

The SFO reduction is the result of Etihad being incented by DFW to go daily and has nothing to do with AI impact on load factor. EY is short on long haul frames. I'm sure EY will be back to daily SFO in due time. I think there is also overcapacity, in general, with regards to the ME3. EK is going from double daily A380 to LAX to A380/77W as well.


SFOA380 - do you have a source for this? What kind of incentives did DFW provide EY to go daily on the route?


The airline will receive an estimated $1.7 million in incentives from the airport under a program meant to increase international service at DFW. The incentive program does not involve taxpayer dollars.


http://www.dallasnews.com/business/airl ... -next-year


Exactly... Thank you for digging this up... this is exactly what DFW has to do to get more Int'l service. The big O&D airports rarely need to do this.
 
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Re: Air India to Start Delhi to Washington DC non stop from July 2017

Mon Jan 16, 2017 10:19 pm

SFOA380 wrote:
legacyins wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:

SFOA380 - do you have a source for this? What kind of incentives did DFW provide EY to go daily on the route?


The airline will receive an estimated $1.7 million in incentives from the airport under a program meant to increase international service at DFW. The incentive program does not involve taxpayer dollars.


http://www.dallasnews.com/business/airl ... -next-year


Exactly... Thank you for digging this up... this is exactly what DFW has to do to get more Int'l service. The big O&D airports rarely need to do this.


DFW is a pretty big O&D airport. Its not NYC, LA, SF, ORD, etc., but its still pretty big. The airlines aren't going to start service there if there is no chance of profitability. DFW-India is pretty massive. That's why the ME3 work so well there.
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD BRING BACK THE PAYWALL!!!!
 
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Re: Air India to Start Delhi to Washington DC non stop from July 2017

Mon Jan 16, 2017 10:35 pm

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77Ls- Mothballed when there was no demand and reactivated when there is demand.


No demand?
To India?
You've lost all credibility with one fell swoop.

******back on topic******

I look forward to AI serving Dulles. Maybe I'll get the chance to fly them as I complete my Star Alliance carrier list!
 
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Re: Air India to Start Delhi to Washington DC non stop from July 2017

Mon Jan 16, 2017 10:50 pm

AA737-823 wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:

77Ls- Mothballed when there was no demand and reactivated when there is demand.


No demand?
To India?
You've lost all credibility with one fell swoop.


When ME3 dumping capacity and with oil price at $100, there was no demand for B77L.

Now that oil money dried out and ME3 owners stopped writing blank checks, tables are turned.

If oil goes back to $100 they will be parked again.
All posts are just opinions.
 
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Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:30 pm

Did UA ever fly to India from IAD? What equipment was used? Where did they stop for fuel?
 
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Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:08 am

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Did UA ever fly to India from IAD? What equipment was used? Where did they stop for fuel?


No, UA never flew from IAD to India.

Air India did few years ago via JFK.
 
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Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:39 am

dcaviation wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
Did UA ever fly to India from IAD? What equipment was used? Where did they stop for fuel?


No, UA never flew from IAD to India.

Air India did few years ago via JFK.



uh, they still fly from JFK. and EWR. UA used to fly a 744 non-stop ORD DEL back in the late 90s, but never from IAD.
 
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Re: Air India to Start Delhi to Washington DC non stop from July 2017

Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:41 am

DaufuskieGuy wrote:
dcaviation wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
Did UA ever fly to India from IAD? What equipment was used? Where did they stop for fuel?


No, UA never flew from IAD to India.

Air India did few years ago via JFK.



uh, they still fly from JFK. and EWR. UA used to fly a 744 non-stop ORD DEL back in the late 90s, but never from IAD.


He is saying years ago they flew to IAD VIA JFK.
 
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Re: Air India to Start Delhi to Washington DC non stop from July 2017

Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:46 am

dtw2hyd wrote:

When ME3 dumping capacity and with oil price at $100, there was no demand for B77L.

Now that oil money dried out and ME3 owners stopped writing blank checks, tables are turned.

If oil goes back to $100 they will be parked again.

Nice arguments. I totally support you.

AI will advertise this flight as "Capital Connect", between world's largest and oldest democracies. LAX is likely to be the next US destination but AI will not think about it till atleast 2019. For next 2-3 years, AI will be focussing on consolidating long haul intl routes and regaining lost market share in short haul and domestic routes.
 
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Re: Air India to Start Delhi to Washington DC non stop from July 2017

Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:40 pm

legacyins wrote:
DaufuskieGuy wrote:
dcaviation wrote:

No, UA never flew from IAD to India.

Air India did few years ago via JFK.



uh, they still fly from JFK. and EWR. UA used to fly a 744 non-stop ORD DEL back in the late 90s, but never from IAD.


He is saying years ago they flew to IAD VIA JFK.


Yes, thats what I was saying. Air India did flights from DEL to JFK with tag on to IAD, but never non stop.
 
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Re: Air India to Start Delhi to Washington DC non stop from July 2017

Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:59 pm

DaufuskieGuy wrote:
dcaviation wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
Did UA ever fly to India from IAD? What equipment was used? Where did they stop for fuel?


No, UA never flew from IAD to India.

Air India did few years ago via JFK.



uh, they still fly from JFK. and EWR. UA used to fly a 744 non-stop ORD DEL back in the late 90s, but never from IAD.


No, UA did not fly a 744 nonstop from ORD to DEL. It was proposed in early 2001 for launch in late 2001, but 9/11 killed the route before it even commenced.

UA was, however, operating its RTW to DEL using a 744, which went LAX-IAD-LHR-DEL-HKG and reverse, on UA 1/2.
 
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Re: Air India to Start Delhi to Washington DC non stop from July 2017

Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:52 pm

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77Ls- Mothballed when there was no demand and reactivated when there is demand. I am sure a.net would have preferred AI hiring few guys and few tugs, and keep moving surplus capacity around the hub. Like a famous one doing right now.


Well, now that you mention it... they would probably have saved quite a bit of money had they done what every other airline with excess capacity of newish frames does, and either 1) lease the frames out to another airline or 2) kept flying the frames at reduced utilization. But instead they decided to let two of them rot, and then had to refurbish them at considerable expense.

787 - No other airline received B788's with so many birth defects either. Now that we know the reason why ANI was AOG and who was delaying parts, it is a shame.


Two theories here: 1) that AI's 787s were somehow inexplicably worse than other 787s in the same production block or even in earlier blocks (ANA's LN 7-9 and "terrible teens"; or 2) that AI for whatever reason was not driven to fix the issues in a timely manner. I find one more believable than the other.

Ethiopian, China Southern, ANA, JAL and United all have frames from the same block. All of them had to do some updates. All of them finished the updates in a matter of less than a week. AI, on the other hand, took twice as long to do the updates as Ethiopian took to repair an aircraft (which also happened to be from the same block) that got mangled by fire.

Keep it in mind, these WBs were purchased as a quid-pro-quo not that AI needed or wanted them.


This is a valid point, but it's a sign that some of the frames should have been subleased. There's no shortage of willing lessees of 787s in particular.
 
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Re: Air India to Start Delhi to Washington DC non stop from July 2017

Tue Jan 17, 2017 6:01 pm

SFOA380 wrote:
legacyins wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:

SFOA380 - do you have a source for this? What kind of incentives did DFW provide EY to go daily on the route?


The airline will receive an estimated $1.7 million in incentives from the airport under a program meant to increase international service at DFW. The incentive program does not involve taxpayer dollars.


http://www.dallasnews.com/business/airl ... -next-year


Exactly... Thank you for digging this up... this is exactly what DFW has to do to get more Int'l service. The big O&D airports rarely need to do this.


Well maybe if SFO did it they wouldn't be seeing EY drop service to 3x weekly.

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