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KarelXWB
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Several Chinese carriers won't take their aircraft

Wed Jan 18, 2017 7:45 pm

Last year Airbus delivered several A320 family aircraft to Chinese carriers:

> MSN 6993 A320 @TSN Qingdao Airlines
> MSN 6995 A320 @TLS Qingdao Airlines
> MSN 7082 A320 @TSN Qingdao Airlines
> MSN 7229 A321 @XFW Juneyao Airlines
> MSN 7303 A321 @XFW Juneyao Airlines
> MSN 7314 A320 @TSN Chengdu Airlines
> MSN 7322 A321 @XFW Juneyao Airlines
> MSN 7361 A320 @TSN Tibet Airlines
> MSN 7445 A321 @XFW Juneyao Airlines


The above aircraft have been contractually delivered and can be found in Airbus' delivery books. Still, none of those aircraft entered commercial service and are in storage nearby the factories at TLS, XFW and TSN. None of these airlines are in financial trouble and they already paid for it. Why are these airlines not picking up their aircraft, is there a holdup at CAAC level perhaps?
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Re: Several Chinese carriers won't take their aircraft

Wed Jan 18, 2017 7:49 pm

Or Chinese airspace is full.
 
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Re: Several Chinese carriers won't take their aircraft

Wed Jan 18, 2017 7:54 pm

If I remember correctly, it is not the first time this happens
 
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Re: Several Chinese carriers won't take their aircraft

Wed Jan 18, 2017 7:55 pm

Must have something to do with regulatory hurdles about registrations or something.
 
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Re: Several Chinese carriers won't take their aircraft

Wed Jan 18, 2017 8:05 pm

Someone83 wrote:
If I remember correctly, it is not the first time this happens


Not in these quantities, AFAIK.
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Re: Several Chinese carriers won't take their aircraft

Wed Jan 18, 2017 8:28 pm

Similar story at Seattle. 2x Donghai's, 2x Lucky Air, 2x Ruili and 2x 9Air all in storage at BFI but have contractually delivered to the airlines over the past few months. I think 9Air are in trouble as several of their new builds have been sold to lessors on delivery and gone to other airlines. In fact news in just yesterday that another one of theirs has been sold on and is going to a Thai airline now. as it's now wearing a Thai reg and awaiting a slot in the paint shop.
 
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Re: Several Chinese carriers won't take their aircraft

Wed Jan 18, 2017 8:30 pm

Would this have anything to do with pilot shortages? I know this is an issue in China as to attract pilots they pay $300k+ salaries...
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Re: Several Chinese carriers won't take their aircraft

Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:19 pm

Two have left the nest today, MSN7229 and 6993. MSN7322 had a flight today. MSN6995 and 7303 had a flight on Monday. There seem to be some movement in those birds.
 
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Re: Several Chinese carriers won't take their aircraft

Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:00 pm

I've read that it's pilot and crewing shortages causing delivery delays.
 
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Re: Several Chinese carriers won't take their aircraft

Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:10 pm

I believe a lot of it is down to pilot shotages but also slot restrictions. Also the CAAC often suspends airlines from adding new routes/frequencies if airports can't meet on-time performance - Qingdao has faced such restrictions for a larger part of the 2nd half of 2016.
 
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Re: Several Chinese carriers won't take their aircraft

Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:13 am

There isn't a shortage of pilots willing to work in China. Just like the airspace issue, this whole thing is caused by the CAAC making it too difficult for a non-Chinese pilot to become qualified to work in China. Medical requirements, tests in broken English, and harsh checkrides make it a bad idea for anyone to go there besides the most desperate.

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