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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 149

Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:53 am

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There has been an incident at SYD airport where there has been a collision between 2 aircraft leading to 2 domestic flights being cancelled. One of the flights involved is QF532 to BNE.

https://www.facebook.com/AIRLINESECRETS/


Has this been confirmed? Haven't seen this mentioned elsewhere.
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Tue Jan 31, 2017 5:45 am

Airline secrets exposed posts a lot of BS.
I couldn't find any actual news about it.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 149

Tue Jan 31, 2017 5:51 am

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Airline secrets exposed posts a lot of BS.
I couldn't find any actual news about it.


Yep. Still waiting on QF's CozySuite announcement and the apparently embargoed 777 announcement from last week.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 149

Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:00 am

Haven't heard anything for a long time about VA flights to China. Is the plan dead? Or should we hear something soon? Wasn't it meant to start Mid 2017?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 149

Tue Jan 31, 2017 5:17 pm

From today through till 13th of Feb, TZ flights to SYD will be flown by a SQ772. This is due to tighter than usual aircraft utilisation plus ongoing engine issues with 787 fleet

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/rolls- ... 2017-01-27
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Tue Jan 31, 2017 6:56 pm

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Haven't heard anything for a long time about VA flights to China. Is the plan dead? Or should we hear something soon? Wasn't it meant to start Mid 2017?


Who knows with VA. Organisation and decisiveness aren't their strong point. I was on a domestic flight a couple weeks ago and overheard the cabin crew talking MEL-HKG was mentioned as an internally known route - galley gossip can be spot on, or way off. I'd be surprised if they got decent slots anywhere in the major Chinese cities, - gift from uncle HU?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 149

Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:25 pm

Tiger now seems to be operating B738's on domestic routes, although the first flight returned to Melbourne!

VH-VOY was on MEL-OOL TT552 but returned to Melbourne right after take off. https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... oy#c53bacf
VH-VUB is currently operating MEL-CNS TT582
 
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Wed Feb 01, 2017 12:13 am

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Tiger now seems to be operating B738's on domestic routes, although the first flight returned to Melbourne!

VH-VOY was on MEL-OOL TT552 but returned to Melbourne right after take off. https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... oy#c53bacf
VH-VUB is currently operating MEL-CNS TT582


VH-VOR has taken over TT552 MEL-OOL.
VH-VUD is doing another TT9xxx rotation MEL-ADL-MEL this morning (another training flight?).
 
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Thu Feb 02, 2017 5:43 am

FP have commenced fights between DBO and CBR.

Great to see these new regional routes opening up.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 149

Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:21 am

No update as yet from TT as to whether or not they will recommence DPS operations tomorrow, however flightaware is showing VA-operated flights departing each of MEL, ADL & PER tomorrow. Looks as though TT didn't achieve the necessary approvals.
 
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Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:04 am

With is appearing that TT now has a B738 AOC I assume that will make things easier? VA has a fair bit a room in their fleet so shouldn't be too bad.
 
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Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:36 pm

The next phase of the second runway will begin shortly with the contract for an underpass to be built to join the second runway and the terminals.

http://australianaviation.com.au/2017/0 ... -in-march/

Interesting to note, the article mentions that they seem to be keeping the Acacia Street viewing area.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 149

Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:41 pm

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With is appearing that TT now has a B738 AOC I assume that will make things easier? VA has a fair bit a room in their fleet so shouldn't be too bad.


The 'Tigerair' B737s are still 'operated by Virgin Australia'. TT does not have the 737 on its AOC.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 149

Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:42 pm

Received an email from Tiger yesterday afternoon regarding a MEL-SYD booking on the 11th Feb: "Please note, your service TT 218 will now be operated by Virgin Australia International providing a domestic Tigerair service." So they're still planning domestic B738 runs at least a week from now.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 149

Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:45 pm

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 149

Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:00 am

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Received an email from Tiger yesterday afternoon regarding a MEL-SYD booking on the 11th Feb: "Please note, your service TT 218 will now be operated by Virgin Australia International providing a domestic Tigerair service." So they're still planning domestic B738 runs at least a week from now.


The plan is for the 737s to move to domestic 'permanently' to cover for the A320s that are supposedly (not holding my breath!) moving to international.
 
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linglesou wrote:
Received an email from Tiger yesterday afternoon regarding a MEL-SYD booking on the 11th Feb: "Please note, your service TT 218 will now be operated by Virgin Australia International providing a domestic Tigerair service." So they're still planning domestic B738 runs at least a week from now.


The plan is for the 737s to move to domestic 'permanently' to cover for the A320s that are supposedly (not holding my breath!) moving to international.


Well it's not a rumour, the A320's will be flying to DPS, with the first domestic 737 already based in MEL that was suppose to begin ops in December last year.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 149

Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:45 am

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linglesou wrote:
Received an email from Tiger yesterday afternoon regarding a MEL-SYD booking on the 11th Feb: "Please note, your service TT 218 will now be operated by Virgin Australia International providing a domestic Tigerair service." So they're still planning domestic B738 runs at least a week from now.


The plan is for the 737s to move to domestic 'permanently' to cover for the A320s that are supposedly (not holding my breath!) moving to international.


Well it's not a rumour, the A320's will be flying to DPS, with the first domestic 737 already based in MEL that was suppose to begin ops in December last year.


I didn't say it was a rumour. TT announced that switching the DPS operations to A320 was their plan. My point was that, while that is clearly their plan, it is also very clearly not a plan that is going well in practice thus far, seeing as the plan was for the A320s to operate MEL/ADL/PER - DPS from today and all of those flights have been cancelled on account of not having secured all of the necessary approvals.

As for the 737s on domestic, three of the four aircraft are operating revenue services today and the other is operating training sectors. At least that part of the plan seems to be working.
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Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:50 am

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Qantas eyes A380 refurbishment, to begin as soon as 2018

https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-eyes-ai ... -2018-2020

Hope they put the current or an updated version of the Business suite on them. I used it on a trip to Singapore and it's a vast improvement from the sky bed, which was a good product when it first came out, but is now dated

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 149

Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:57 am

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Qantas eyes A380 refurbishment, to begin as soon as 2018

https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-eyes-ai ... -2018-2020

Hope they put the current or an updated version of the Business suite on them. I used it on a trip to Singapore and it's a vast improvement from the sky bed, which was a good product when it first came out, but is now dated

AN767


Based on what the article states it will be the B787 suite not A330 product.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 149

Fri Feb 03, 2017 1:03 am

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qf789 wrote:
Qantas eyes A380 refurbishment, to begin as soon as 2018

https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-eyes-ai ... -2018-2020

Hope they put the current or an updated version of the Business suite on them. I used it on a trip to Singapore and it's a vast improvement from the sky bed, which was a good product when it first came out, but is now dated

AN767


Based on what the article states it will be the B787 suite not A330 product.

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I'd say we'll see confirmation on this when the new W seat is finally revealed. I hope F gets a refresh and moves upstairs.
 
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Fri Feb 03, 2017 2:12 am

Tiger Airways has announced all flights from Australia to Bali will be permanently stopped, effective immediately.

Virgin going to pick up slack?
 
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Fri Feb 03, 2017 2:34 am

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Tiger Airways has announced all flights from Australia to Bali will be permanently stopped, effective immediately.

Virgin going to pick up slack?


You would think so, would be surprised to see them abandon DPS completely from PER/ADL/MEL. This has certainly been a major screw up...
 
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Fri Feb 03, 2017 2:43 am

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Tiger Airways has announced all flights from Australia to Bali will be permanently stopped, effective immediately.

Virgin going to pick up slack?


You would think so, would be surprised to see them abandon DPS completely from PER/ADL/MEL. This has certainly been a major screw up...


Batik should pull their fingers out in relation to the Perth services, strike with the irons hot.
 
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Fri Feb 03, 2017 2:44 am

I assume VA will resume their services from the ports previously transferred to Tiger. It will be interesting to see if VA create a subfleet of older 737s without J class to service DPS.

Regardless of this, TT will continue to transition from A320s to 73Ws. The operational savings to the group are fairly compelling. In the meantime, this will probably mean that the currently repainted 73Ws will operate TT's domestic services and some of the A320s may be retired/returned earlier than originally scheduled. Of course, part of this is conditional on the revised AOC being issued to TT.

Given VA is not currently expanding domestically due to sluggish demand, it can afford to lower its overall fleet size in the short to medium term or, if this is an issue, it can slow the E90 retirement somewhat.
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Fri Feb 03, 2017 2:47 am

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Tiger Airways has announced all flights from Australia to Bali will be permanently stopped, effective immediately.

Virgin going to pick up slack?


Yup, I found this out not 10 minutes after my most recent post on the TT situation but at that stage it was not public knowledge. Let's hope VA actually does something helpful for the pax now stranded in DPS.

https://tigerair.com.au/fly/travel-alerts
 
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Fri Feb 03, 2017 3:39 am

VA reports profit decline for 2nd quarter of 16/17

http://australianaviation.com.au/2017/0 ... t-decline/
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Fri Feb 03, 2017 3:52 am

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Tiger Airways has announced all flights from Australia to Bali will be permanently stopped, effective immediately.

Virgin going to pick up slack?



What an absolute mess. Not sure what VA will do they were losing money on the route heavily prior to TT taking over, Tiger had been doing really well, fares were higher than Jetstar's from what I saw and maintained a LF of 90% for most months.

Might be the perfect time for Batik to atleast announce something - they have all the approval. MEL-DPS has now lost almost 40% of its capacity with AirAsia and now TT. ADL even worse at 50%, I wonder if JQ could launch a second daily or even Air Asia Indonesia - it's in A320 range.
 
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Fri Feb 03, 2017 3:54 am

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Tiger Airways has announced all flights from Australia to Bali will be permanently stopped, effective immediately.

Virgin going to pick up slack?


This is a total screw up by VA & TT. Really disturbing an airline can't get its sh#t together!

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Not sure if its correct but my sources are telling me the following about the issue.

Firstly - TT/VA had a deal with the Indonesia authorities for the flights to be operated by the VA crew until JAN 1 2017 has TT didn't have the B738 on its Australia AOC, TT had expected and applied for this to be extended but this didn't occur.

TT was given until and expected the AOC to be granted by CASA by the end of January - it still hasn't which is why B738 TT domestic flights are being operated by VA.

TT now must go back to the start with Indonesian Authorities requiring the AOC to be held for 6 months prior to international flights.
 
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Fri Feb 03, 2017 5:09 am

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waoz1 wrote:
Tiger Airways has announced all flights from Australia to Bali will be permanently stopped, effective immediately.

Virgin going to pick up slack?


You would think so, would be surprised to see them abandon DPS completely from PER/ADL/MEL. This has certainly been a major screw up...


VA are examining whether to reintroduce flights from PER/ADL/MEL to DPS

Virgin Australia will examine the viability of introducing flights from Perth, Adelaide and Melbourne to Bali.


http://www.airlineratings.com/news/1039 ... uits-bali-
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Tiger Airways has announced all flights from Australia to Bali will be permanently stopped, effective immediately.

Virgin going to pick up slack?



What an absolute mess. Not sure what VA will do they were losing money on the route heavily prior to TT taking over, Tiger had been doing really well, fares were higher than Jetstar's from what I saw and maintained a LF of 90% for most months.

Might be the perfect time for Batik to atleast announce something - they have all the approval. MEL-DPS has now lost almost 40% of its capacity with AirAsia and now TT. ADL even worse at 50%, I wonder if JQ could launch a second daily or even Air Asia Indonesia - it's in A320 range.


ADL-DPS and PER-DPS are, MEL-DPS would struggle with an A320 though. Coming into February is generally low season anyway (I think?) so doubt we will see anything until the Easter holidays. JQ doesn't have spare 787 capacity to increase frequency on MEL-DPS without taking it from somewhere else.
 
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ADL-DPS and PER-DPS are, MEL-DPS would struggle with an A320 though. Coming into February is generally low season anyway (I think?) so doubt we will see anything until the Easter holidays. JQ doesn't have spare 787 capacity to increase frequency on MEL-DPS without taking it from somewhere else.


I've always wondered how JQ's 787's are utilised: There seems to always be slack in the peak periods, MEL-BKK/HKT/HNL/DPS usually gets extra flights, with MEL-NRT going daily from 4 weekly during this years peak (before being handed over to QF later this month). So surely there's a little slack? I would see around 3 JQ 787's parked at MEL at times, even the odd 787 parked at T4 for some reason.

Current routes:
MEL: BKK, HKT, DPS, HNL, SGN
SYD: HKT, DPS, HNL, SGN
CNS: NRT, KIX
BNE: DPS
OOL: NRT

I think Batik's announcement into Australia will come sooner rather than later now, it will be interesting how they will change the dynamic on flights to Bali.
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Fri Feb 03, 2017 6:17 am

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log0008 wrote:
waoz1 wrote:
Tiger Airways has announced all flights from Australia to Bali will be permanently stopped, effective immediately.

Virgin going to pick up slack?



What an absolute mess. Not sure what VA will do they were losing money on the route heavily prior to TT taking over, Tiger had been doing really well, fares were higher than Jetstar's from what I saw and maintained a LF of 90% for most months.

Might be the perfect time for Batik to atleast announce something - they have all the approval. MEL-DPS has now lost almost 40% of its capacity with AirAsia and now TT. ADL even worse at 50%, I wonder if JQ could launch a second daily or even Air Asia Indonesia - it's in A320 range.


ADL-DPS and PER-DPS are, MEL-DPS would struggle with an A320 though. Coming into February is generally low season anyway (I think?) so doubt we will see anything until the Easter holidays. JQ doesn't have spare 787 capacity to increase frequency on MEL-DPS without taking it from somewhere else.


JQ maybe upgauge ADL/PER- DPS to 321s? Could a 321NEO make DPS from SYD/MEL- would QF introduce MEL-DPS as they have in SYD on a 738? Or GA haven't grown MEL or SYD much recently? A GA 738 could make ADL too?

It does make you wonder about their long haul growth plans if any, will we see a top up order when QF next announce their 789 top up?
 
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Fri Feb 03, 2017 11:35 am

The A321neo could do MEL-DPS.

Right now would be the perfect time for Batik to announce Melbourne - bit of publicity to be had. Still not sure what they are doing in Perth, they had loaded 2x daily but keep pushing it back/not sell tickets.
 
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Loved the Tiger fluff piece in the Weekend Australian (read: it's all the Indonesian Govt's fault). I really can't comprehend why ADL/PER-DPS can't operate for maybe 3 months with the existing A320's until the 738's are certified. Is it because there aren't enough A320's to operate the existing Australian sectors or is there something much more incompetent at work that's being hidden?
 
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There are plans to redevelop Cunderdin Airport, 158km from PER into WA's second international airport. Initially once developed Cunderdin will be a diversion airport for PER with plans for the runway to be extended to 2600m and will be able to handle 4 A380's

One European airline has said they will look at services to PER once this airport has been redeveloped

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western ... 58782cd201
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Sat Feb 04, 2017 7:39 am

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VA reports profit decline for 2nd quarter of 16/17

http://australianaviation.com.au/2017/0 ... t-decline/


Great week for VA then, along with NZ now refusing to sell "the Works" product on VA operated services on the Tasman, claiming that VA doesn't provide an decent product.
 
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Sat Feb 04, 2017 7:49 am

They can't use the A320's - that what would take 6 months. Indonesia requires airlines to have an Indonesian International AOC - almost every other country just acknowledges the home countries AOC.
 
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They can't use the A320's - that what would take 6 months. Indonesia requires airlines to have an Indonesian International AOC - almost every other country just acknowledges the home countries AOC.


Yer, but QF, JQ and VA themselves all comply, so it would appear that TT, or VA as the owner of TT, were just being either lazy, or cheap and hoping that a gentlemen's agreement that existed would be extended indefinitely. I don't blame the Indonesian's one bit, TT was not complying with their rules and regulations so they were banned. We would expect the Australian authorities to do likewise to a foreign carrier not meeting the rules and regs here.

It's not as though TT/VA haven't had ample time or resources to get the necessary paperwork done either. However, VA as the parent of TT, their response to this has been nothing but a shambles and really questions their whole customer service product and the value they place on their customers.
 
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There are plans to redevelop Cunderdin Airport, 158km from PER into WA's second international airport. Initially once developed Cunderdin will be a diversion airport for PER with plans for the runway to be extended to 2600m and will be able to handle 4 A380's

One European airline has said they will look at services to PER once this airport has been redeveloped

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western ... 58782cd201


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There are plans to redevelop Cunderdin Airport, 158km from PER into WA's second international airport.


Also reported in The West Australian. In their version of events, Mr. Reid of Ascent Aviation has claimed to have secured a "foundation international airline customer" and is reportedly in "advanced discussions with the remainder of the key airlines.”

Besides no mention of names, there is no mention of funding either. Has Ascent received commitments to finance the construction and ongoing operations, or is the taxpayer to be called on to subsidise a private operation?
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There are plans to redevelop Cunderdin Airport, 158km from PER into WA's second international airport. Initially once developed Cunderdin will be a diversion airport for PER with plans for the runway to be extended to 2600m and will be able to handle 4 A380's

One European airline has said they will look at services to PER once this airport has been redeveloped

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western ... 58782cd201


So what are they saying, that airline XX will pay them a fee just in case they need to use this airport as a diversion field ? Theoretically saving them money on fuel because they wouldn't need to carry as much extra fuel in case they need to divert. Hasn't seemed to put off airlines such as EK, EY,QR, flying long sectors into Perth with the slight risk of needing to divert.

While a closer suitable diversion airport for Perth would be nice, this does seem a touch unrealistic.
 
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Sat Feb 04, 2017 10:55 am

jupiter2 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
There are plans to redevelop Cunderdin Airport, 158km from PER into WA's second international airport. Initially once developed Cunderdin will be a diversion airport for PER with plans for the runway to be extended to 2600m and will be able to handle 4 A380's

One European airline has said they will look at services to PER once this airport has been redeveloped

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western ... 58782cd201


So what are they saying, that airline XX will pay them a fee just in case they need to use this airport as a diversion field ? Theoretically saving them money on fuel because they wouldn't need to carry as much extra fuel in case they need to divert. Hasn't seemed to put off airlines such as EK, EY,QR, flying long sectors into Perth with the slight risk of needing to divert.

While a closer suitable diversion airport for Perth would be nice, this does seem a touch unrealistic.


Yes its seems to be a bit far fetched TBH. I'm also intrigued who this European carrier is, I would expect probably BA and even then the article says that this European carrier would only consider PER once Cunderdin has been redeveloped which comes across as one mighty IF at best.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 149

Sat Feb 04, 2017 11:02 am

Cunderdin. Seems to be a kite flying exercise in my book, Wellcamp shows the way, let's see what happens with this WA "proposal". If it is "ridgy didge" then there is a long way to go. You wouldn't spend $40M just to provide a diversionary option, would you? On another subject, VA group seems to be stumbling along at the present IMHO. Should we armchair experts be a little concerned with this airline group at this present time?
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 149

Sat Feb 04, 2017 12:17 pm

With the A380 consuming 12,000 kilograms per hour (roughly)and using a back of the envelope number every tonne of payload requires an equivalent tonne of fuel, a 3 hour diversion would require each A380 flight to Perth to be loaded with an additional 72 tonne of fuel. This equate to approximately 23,481 gallons.

With half of the fuel used to carry the fuel, each flight would consume 11,740 gallons of fuel to cover the 3 hour diversion rule requirement.

With a spot price of $1.69 per gallon a saving in three hours of diversionary fuel reserves would equate to a saving of $19,850.00 per flight or $38.00 per passenger (based upon a 525 seat capacity A380).

If we consider Perth processed 384,000 last year with half of them arriving at Perth, a saving of $38.00 for arriving flights passengers would equate to savings of $7.3 million per year.

If we consider CAPEX of $60 million at an interest rate of 4.5% on twelve year terms, such an investment would require repayments of $5.4m per year. This means there is a potential saving of $1.9 million per year. If we consider OPEX of $1m per year this potential saving reduces savings to $0.9m per year.

If we consider twenty diversionary flights per year with landing fees of $20,000.00 per flight, we have additional incomes of $400,000.00. I suspect costs would equal earnings in this instance.

On face value using current data and fuel costs the runway extension would not make economic sense. As such the business case would have to revolve around a substantial increase in international flights and/or additional incomes that could be leveraged by a runway extension. As such we have the prospect of new carriers....and a flight school and freight business.

I suspect the business case as a stand alone project at present is at best marginal, but with the trend tracking in favour of the project. If the project could attract funding of $15-20m in state grants, and additional incomes of $1-2m per year from other business operations the business case for the development could become more robust.

I suspect the development could go ahead in 3-5 years time. The numbers are trending in the right direction.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 149

Sat Feb 04, 2017 1:15 pm

^^^
Where did you get a $20,000 landing fee from ? Do you have a source of some description, or are you just plucking numbers ?

Not every aircraft going to Perth is operating 380's, in fact there is only the one and the next biggest aircraft would be 777's, big drop in pax numbers there.

The whole thing just seems fanciful to me and to assume that a location that is 150km from another and isn't subject to the same adverse weather all the time, also seems to be a bit of wishful thinking. How many international flights to Perth actually diverted to another port last year ?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 149

Sat Feb 04, 2017 1:24 pm

Perth Landing fees - $39,000.00. In all reality the landing fees could be anywhere between $10,000-60,000. Who knows!

I have used the A380 as it should have the lowest costs per passenger. As such using A380 numbers should over all other aircraft.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 149

Sat Feb 04, 2017 1:26 pm

Hey guys,

Could the European airline supposedly in talks for Cunderdin in WA be Norwegian? I read an interview yesterday with (I think it was) the CEO who highlighted potential expansion deeper into Asia with the 787-8s being freed up by the arrival of 787-9s. Yes, a long shot, but like other posters above I'm a bit mystified by who in Europe would want to fly to Australia in the current climate, let alone to an airport not yet developed. Could it be a freight airline? Could it be someone like TUI or the much speculated European 'leisure airline' that Etihad has its finger in? Then again, IAG recently announced plans for a new long haul carrier to be based in Barcelona with two A330-200s to fly to Asia and North America....

And on a completely different note, does any one know the actual names or 'theme' of the names to be bestowed on the QF Dreamliners? Indigenous names to link 'DREAMliner' with 'DREAMtime/DREAMing' would be cool! A new Balarinji design (or even Wunula herself) would be awesome on a Dreamliner! The Balarinji 'Water Dreaming' design was never used on a QF plane... But was used as part of BA's 'Utopia/World Tails'. Perhaps it could be used?

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