hoons90
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AeroMexico loads ICN schedule

Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:19 pm

Now searchable and bookable on AeroMexico's website beginning in June.

AM90 MEX-MTY-ICN departs MEX at 2158 arrives ICN at 0600+2

AM91 ICN-MEX departs ICN at 1225 arrives MEX at 1232.

Operated by 787-8, frequency appears to be 4x weekly.

No official word from the airline itself, yet.
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Re: AeroMexico loads ICN schedule

Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:04 pm

Finally AM jumps in to the route that KE has been committed for a long long time. Nice!

For the last decade, KE was like all talk, talk, talk - no action or results. Sad!
 
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Re: AeroMexico loads ICN schedule

Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:09 pm

Is the MTY-ICN sector bookable too?
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Re: AeroMexico loads ICN schedule

Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:11 pm

HeeseokKoo wrote:
Finally AM jumps in to the route that KE has been committed for a long long time. Nice!

For the last decade, KE was like all talk, talk, talk - no action or results. Sad!


That reference made me giggle
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Re: AeroMexico loads ICN schedule

Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:16 pm

lesfalls wrote:
Is the MTY-ICN sector bookable too?


I expect so. Kia motors recently built a giant plant very close to MTY airport. One tweet may change its business plan but until then, there will be substantial premium demand between MTY and ICN.
 
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Re: AeroMexico loads ICN schedule

Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:17 pm

Is the MTY a technical stop or is it just to pick up more passengers/cargo? Anyhow, congrats to AM !!
 
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Re: AeroMexico loads ICN schedule

Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:55 pm

Is there a planned codeshare with Korean Air on this route? SkyTeam is weak in Japan, but in Seoul and Shanghai, those are SkyTeam hubs.
 
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Re: AeroMexico loads ICN schedule

Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:21 pm

HeeseokKoo wrote:
Finally AM jumps in to the route that KE has been committed for a long long time. Nice!

For the last decade, KE was like all talk, talk, talk - no action or results. Sad!

For a while, I thought the President is a member of this forum.

Back to the topic, AM opening this route is really no surprise. It has stated publicly it will add more Asian destinations. ICN is a natural one. PEK is probably another one AM wants to fly to but a slot would be hard to come by.
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Re: AeroMexico loads ICN schedule

Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:25 pm

aemoreira1981 wrote:
Is there a planned codeshare with Korean Air on this route? SkyTeam is weak in Japan, but in Seoul and Shanghai, those are SkyTeam hubs.


SkyTeam may not have a hub in Japan (excluding the dwindling DL NRT hub), but DL is still pretty large to Japan and KE is the largest foreign carrier still, I believe. I wouldn't say they are "weak," but yes, they are the smallest.
 
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Re: AeroMexico loads ICN schedule

Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:27 pm

With the new KIA facility in MTY I am surprised they did not route back ICN-MTY-MEX.
 
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Re: AeroMexico loads ICN schedule

Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:45 pm

Is the MTY-ICN sector bookable too?


Yes it is. Departing at 1:03 and arriving at 6:00 +1 day.

Scheduled Flight Time from MTY is 14 hours and 57 minutes.
 
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Re: AeroMexico loads ICN schedule

Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:58 pm

I have to wonder if Aeromexico might apply for HKG next if it can secure favorable codeshares into HKG, flying 3 times weekly there. That route would require a 787-9, flying MEX-TIJ-HKG, where codeshares could be established with both Vietnam Airlines and China Airlines for onward travel. The advantage here is that one could fly from another location between China and Latin America without a USA or Canada stopover.
 
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Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:14 pm

Oof. That long trip back only to have the equivalent of 7 minutes pass :)
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Re: AeroMexico loads ICN schedule

Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:05 pm

It should be a success judging by the way their AMS flight has been doing. Business has been so good that AMS is overtaking LHR in its performance. Naturally with all the connections possibilities that AMS offers as a Skyteam hub.

I read that their next long distance destination will be Milan possibly to be started toward the end of the year. I thought it would be a resumption of service to FRA. They have also requested to fly to Moscow presumably on a charter basis for the World Cup 2018 to be held in Russia. This may one day also be a future scheduled destination given Aeroflot's ability to feed it.
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Re: AeroMexico loads ICN schedule

Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:14 pm

That is great news!!!! Especially for locals in MTY as were are getting a flight back to Asia since NRT is only flown from MEX.
About 66K South Korea residentes traveled to Mexico during 2016 and about 10K Mexicans are estimated to fly in 2017 (estimation made even before this flight was announced).
75K seems like a good market. Lets see how it grows now with direct links.
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Re: AeroMexico loads ICN schedule

Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:45 pm

aemoreira1981 wrote:
I have to wonder if Aeromexico might apply for HKG next if it can secure favorable codeshares into HKG, flying 3 times weekly there. That route would require a 787-9, flying MEX-TIJ-HKG, where codeshares could be established with both Vietnam Airlines and China Airlines for onward travel. The advantage here is that one could fly from another location between China and Latin America without a USA or Canada stopover.


The issue here is that while HKG might be higher yeilding (as the primary competitor would be the higher costing CX), it is much more likely that flights to mainland China might be much more beneficial to AM than flying to HKG. Case in point;

http://www.chinaaviationdaily.com/news/59/59579.html
More than 60,000 Mexican travelers visited China and 100,000 Chinese people traveled to Mexico in 2015, with 2016 seeing slightly higher figures, he said, adding some other Chinese airlines are working on new routes between the two countries. The total trade between Guangdong province, an economic hub of China, and Mexico stood at US$10.5 billion last year, including more than US$8 billion exported from Guangdong. In this trade, Guangdong offers shoes, telephone, electronic products, machinery equipment and electric appliances.

Giralt said: "Trade between Mexico and Guangdong is far bigger than trade between Mexico and some important countries in Europe and South America."


...and AM only serves Shanghai at the moment.

With essentially no help on the -HKG end, consider the advantage AM would have on (just considering Tier-1 cities);
-SZX; with CZ's hub there, MU's presence there, access to the HKG SAR, better access to the manufacturing sectors of the PRC - even a 3/4X weekly might work out well, and could be easier to operate.
-CAN; with MU's hub there, CZ's presence there, and the wealth of that area to begin with.
-PEK; connecting for bureaucratic traffic, and with both CZ and MU being present there to support.

All of these services, could provide the fertile ground to take on HKG (and perhaps suffer some a higher degree of loss/prolong their exit/more smartly establish themselves against CX at HKG). From the AM perspective - for its customer base, the more important advantage is selling "China" as a portfolio of markets where, if their businesses depended upon it - AM could provide them with access to many points and locations around the area. As is, expect greater growth in the PRC-Mexico relationship, and AM can and should be extending itself to the maxim of their bi-laterals (in much the same way that AC does). In the short term, HKG might be a politically insensitive move for AM as they attempt to shore up their relationship with the PRC. In the financial context, access to HKG is rightly well guarded by a World-Class airline, high fares, high operating costs, and high demand for assets and access. It would be a good move for AM, but there are much more strategic gains to be made (and much more politically sensative and successful in gaining political good will, and higher probabilities of success) in Mainland China.

This is outside of the perspective of using MEX as a connector to Latin and South America - which when unaccounted for, is almost blasphemous.
 
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Re: AeroMexico loads ICN schedule

Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:50 am

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Re: AeroMexico loads ICN schedule

Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:21 am

lesfalls wrote:
Is the MTY-ICN sector bookable too?


MTY- ICN is bookable. More info added.

MTY - ICN flight number 90

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Re: AeroMexico loads ICN schedule

Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:45 am

Awesome. I am so tempted to travel to Seoul and onwards before the summer! Vietnam maybe? Congrats to AM! I am certain this will be a very successful flight.

LatinPlane wrote:
Business has been so good that AMS is overtaking LHR in its performance...

I read that their next long distance destination will be Milan possibly to be started toward the end of the year.

Wow! That is great news! The AMS hub and KL's assistance certainly make it clear now that this route was a no-brainer. Kudos to AM and partner KL.

I think MXP is a good idea. Are AZ and AM codesharing on AZ's FCO-MEX route? Too bad AZ is using T1 at MEX, as opposed to T2, as that makes connections less smooth. MXP serves Italy's financial and business capital, so hopefully can AM make this flight work, maybe 4x weekly or so.

quote="Rajahdhani"]-CAN; with MU's hub there, CZ's presence there, and the wealth of that area to begin with.
-PEK; connecting for bureaucratic traffic, and with both CZ and MU being present there to support. [/quote]
CZ is the one hubbing at CAN. Seems soooo long and the altitude of MEX might be an issue for range considerations. PEK, I am skeptical.
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Re: AeroMexico loads ICN schedule

Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:06 am

mugler wrote:
Is the MTY a technical stop or is it just to pick up more passengers/cargo? Anyhow, congrats to AM !!


It is a technical stop. It happened also with MEX-NRT until AM got the new 787s. If they could AM would fly ICN nonstop from MEX.

Although this is not doing much for TIJ in the sense that AM stated that they would like to concentrate their non long haul Asian routes there.

Anyway, good news for AM and easy connections for all of us through ICN to East Asia.

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Re: AeroMexico loads ICN schedule

Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:16 pm

wingedtaurus wrote:
mugler wrote:
Is the MTY a technical stop or is it just to pick up more passengers/cargo? Anyhow, congrats to AM !!


It is a technical stop. It happened also with MEX-NRT until AM got the new 787s. If they could AM would fly ICN nonstop from MEX.

Although this is not doing much for TIJ in the sense that AM stated that they would like to concentrate their non long haul Asian routes there.

Anyway, good news for AM and easy connections for all of us through ICN to East Asia.

WT


Though MTY is obviously a technical stop, it is also a wise choice. From all 66K South Korean residents that visited Mexico during 2016:
29,6% entered through MEX and
20,3% through MTY.
The lion share is taken by CUN with over 42%.

We can presume that some arrivals to MEX will be connecting to other domestic destinations, whereas MTY is mostly local traffic.



BTW, here is the Aeromexico official statement about this new route (Spanish):
https://beta.aeromexico.com/es-mx/notic ... 5-51117049
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Re: AeroMexico loads ICN schedule

Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:24 pm

mugler wrote:
Is the MTY a technical stop or is it just to pick up more passengers/cargo? Anyhow, congrats to AM !!


Yes it is. MEX-ICN isn't doable non stop with a full payload.
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Re: AeroMexico loads ICN schedule

Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:09 pm

mty777X wrote:
Is the MTY-ICN sector bookable too?


Yes it is. Departing at 1:03 and arriving at 6:00 +1 day.

Scheduled Flight Time from MTY is 14 hours and 57 minutes.

Another contestant for the longest non-stop flight list out there?
 
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Re: AeroMexico loads ICN schedule

Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:12 pm

ojjunior wrote:
mty777X wrote:
Is the MTY-ICN sector bookable too?


Yes it is. Departing at 1:03 and arriving at 6:00 +1 day.

Scheduled Flight Time from MTY is 14 hours and 57 minutes.

Another contestant for the longest non-stop flight list out there?


Not even close. The current contenders are pushing 18 hours, IIRC.
 
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Re: AeroMexico loads ICN schedule

Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:58 pm

SonOfABeech wrote:
ojjunior wrote:
mty777X wrote:

Yes it is. Departing at 1:03 and arriving at 6:00 +1 day.

Scheduled Flight Time from MTY is 14 hours and 57 minutes.

Another contestant for the longest non-stop flight list out there?


Not even close. The current contenders are pushing 18 hours, IIRC.


Yeah, ok then, but it will certainly figure out on the list of the most boring flights out there for the poor mortals flying Y.
 
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Re: AeroMexico loads ICN schedule

Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:03 pm

What is the longest MD-90 route?

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