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Air Berlin acquires 3 more A330s; grows US; routes; ends AA codeshares

Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:55 pm

Some more news out of Air Berlin,

They will further grow their US network for the summer season. In additional to previously announced growth, they will add following capacity.

TXL-JFK increase from 10x > 14 weekly
TXL-MIA increase from 3x > 5 weekly

Small adjustment new planned on TXL-LAX & SFO effective May. Now route will operate 4 and 3x weekly respectively versus previous 3 and 4x.

Overall, AB will offer 84 non-stop flights per week to 8 US in its summer schedule 2017.

To support additional flying, it was announced internally AB will be receiving 3 additional A330-200 frames on lease for total of 17 A332 aircraft.

Lastly, with with end of the winter 2016/2017 timetable Air Berlin will phase out its codeshare with American Airlines, at which point it will convert to a standard interline agreement.


http://www.prweb.com/releases/2017/01/prweb13999819.htm
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Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:11 pm

mercure1 wrote:

To support additional flying, it was announced internally AB will be receiving 3 additional A330-200 frames on lease for total of 17 A332 aircraft.

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2017/01/prweb13999819.htm


Do we know where they come from? I can imagine they might be former KLM planes as they phase them out and are quite young.
 
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Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:27 pm

Airfleets shows N508AV coming from Avianca.
 
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Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:30 pm

GianiDC wrote:
mercure1 wrote:

To support additional flying, it was announced internally AB will be receiving 3 additional A330-200 frames on lease for total of 17 A332 aircraft.

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2017/01/prweb13999819.htm


Do we know where they come from? I can imagine they might be former KLM planes as they phase them out and are quite young.


KLM is not phasing out any more A332's, have a look at the respective thread from a few days ago. Moreover the KLM aircraft are GE powered, while the AB fleet has PW engines.

New aicraft momentarily planned are
D-ABXE c/n 968, 8,2 years, ex JJ
D-ABXF c/n 1112 6,8 years, ex JJ
D-ABXG c/n 802 10,2 years, ex Eurofly, Meridiana, Orbest and Evelop

There were rumours about one of the TAM frames having a significant structural damage, might be one of those, and they figured it out, might be, that they won't take one of those or it might have been related to a third frame, which has been replaced by the Evelop one.

If they need more frames, Turkish has about 8 ex TAM PW pored A332's stored. They seem to be a more probable source for further equipment.
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Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:31 pm

GianiDC wrote:
mercure1 wrote:

To support additional flying, it was announced internally AB will be receiving 3 additional A330-200 frames on lease for total of 17 A332 aircraft.

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2017/01/prweb13999819.htm


Do we know where they come from? I can imagine they might be former KLM planes as they phase them out and are quite young.


KLM isn't phasing out the A330. They returned 4 frames to the lessor which are now flying for Shaheen. The other frames will stay in the fleet for at least a couple more years.
 
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Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:34 pm

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Airfleets shows N508AV coming from Avianca.


Avianca uses RR powered A330s...
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Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:38 pm

Surprised they are not looking to partner up with B6.
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Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:31 pm

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Surprised they are not looking to partner up with B6.

Me too. Four flights to JFK a day and you're just going to leave them there?! Someone go slap the AB team.
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Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:37 pm

The mia-txl was daily before now 5 weekly. good for them.
 
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Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:41 pm

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If they need more frames, Turkish has about 8 ex TAM PW pored A332's stored. They seem to be a more probable source for further equipment.


AFAIK those TK A332s are going back to the owner (Jet Airways).
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Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:45 pm

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Surprised they are not looking to partner up with B6.

Doesn't B6 codeshare with LH?
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Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:52 pm

Does anybody know how many A330s will be based in TXL this summer season and how many overall once they have 17 in the fleet. I guess DUS still gets more planes than TXL.
 
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Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:53 pm

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Surprised they are not looking to partner up with B6.

Doesn't B6 codeshare with LH?


B6 may have at some point codeshared with LH but I am pretty certain they do not at the moment.
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Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:54 pm

So, if AB ends its codeshare agreement with AA, could this mean that AB is on the way out of oneWorld?
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Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:57 pm

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If they need more frames, Turkish has about 8 ex TAM PW pored A332's stored. They seem to be a more probable source for further equipment.


AFAIK those TK A332s are going back to the owner (Jet Airways).


TC-JIL/JIM/JIN returns to Jet Airways. TC-JIO/P/R/S/T/V/Y/Z are ex TAM and offered for lease.
 
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LGAviation wrote:
lesfalls wrote:
adamh8297 wrote:
Surprised they are not looking to partner up with B6.

Doesn't B6 codeshare with LH?


B6 may have at some point codeshared with LH but I am pretty certain they do not at the moment.


It appears to be just interline now according to B6's CoC http://www.jetblue.com/p/jetblue_coc.pdf

I know from BOS it was some Florida routes (TPA/RSW/FLL) in the past - wasn't B6's entire network
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Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:25 pm

LH used to own part of B6, hence the closer relationship in the past. ABs withdrawal from AA codeshare and ultimately oneWorld follows a different logic: EY wants to swap AB shares for LH shares, and we all know where AB will be w/o EY financial injections. LH won't take on AB with TUIfly 737s, so those will go the other way.

LH will however take on AB Airbii and bring them into the LH fold in order to better compete the ULCCs. For a while we'll see AB and LH birds side by side with XG / OS birds in places like TXL or perhaps even FRA. Exciting world we live in, yay. More race to the bottom, for LH the motto is that if 4U doesn't work, try XG, then try E2 / EW, eventually they just might break into FRA and MUC through some legal construct. And then people wonder why LH goes on strike a lot...

Realistically, LH will integrate the AB Airbus fleet into EW and E2 since they welcome the additional planes there. The AB 332s will supplement the EW long haul 332s, TXL will finally become a LH hubs of sorts and CGN is close to DUS anyway.
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Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:30 pm

The ending of the AA/AB codeshare agreement was apparently prompted by AA (not AB) last October. http://aviationweek.com/awincommercial/ ... us-partner
 
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Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:15 pm

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The mia-txl was daily before now 5 weekly. good for them.


It's never been daily. 5x is the most it has ever been.
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Yakamoz wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
MaxiAir wrote:
If they need more frames, Turkish has about 8 ex TAM PW pored A332's stored. They seem to be a more probable source for further equipment.


AFAIK those TK A332s are going back to the owner (Jet Airways).


TC-JIL/JIM/JIN returns to Jet Airways. TC-JIO/P/R/S/T/V/Y/Z are ex TAM and offered for lease.


Yep, these are the ones I meant.

I reckon those are AerCap frames.

Furthermore they are listed as available for lease immediately http://www.myairlease.com/available/ava ... lease_A330
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From the little that I know about interline agreements vs codeshares, what is the real impact other than no mileage accrual? Which actually would or should be the biggest impact that I'm realizing now as I'm typing this lol
 
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So, if AB ends its codeshare agreement with AA, could this mean that AB is on the way out of oneWorld?


If there ending codeshare shouldn't they also announce there adding some codeshares? Honestly I never got any flights on AB to show up when looking for flights on AA.com atleast from LAX I wouldn't. Not surprising its ending with the Huge AIG partnership.
 
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The ending of the AA/AB codeshare agreement was apparently prompted by AA (not AB) last October. http://aviationweek.com/awincommercial/ ... us-partner


Oh wow that answer's my question has to why they didn't announce a new partner. Etihad is the fly in the pudding here.
 
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From the little that I know about interline agreements vs codeshares, what is the real impact other than no mileage accrual? Which actually would or should be the biggest impact that I'm realizing now as I'm typing this lol

The codeshare is putting your code on the other's flights and selling them as your own. I.e., AA* TXL-FRA, connecting AA FRA-DFW. AA fares, AA marketing, etc. AA gets more ticket revenue. Interline is AB TXL-FRA x/ AA FRA-DFW. Maybe cooperative fares, maybe local fares. For cooperative fares, revenue is prorated by length of haul. For marketing, the appearance of the same airline sells better, plus it can make a difference as to how routings are displayed in various booking engines. The assumption always used to be (I'm dating myself) that an interline booking was more expensive.
Now when I flew the AA* TXL-FRA (on AB metal), my expectation was I wouldn't have to pay for water to take a pill with, so that was a surprise. I have a feeling that AA might not have been comfortable with their 'name' on such a service.
Assuming, however, that the oneworld and frequent flyer relationships remain (and there has been no mention of changing that), mileage accrual and award travel shouldn't change, other than one might accrue fewer miles on a cheap AB fare versus an AA* fare.

Whether the AB-EY relationship had something to do with it, I couldn't answer.
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Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:59 am

Wingtips56 wrote:
Rookie87 wrote:
Now when I flew the AA* TXL-FRA (on AB metal), my expectation was I wouldn't have to pay for water to take a pill with, so that was a surprise. I have a feeling that AA might not have been comfortable with their 'name' on such a service.
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If that was the case they would have ended their codeshare agreement with BA as they only do BOB on short-haul now.
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Sat Jan 21, 2017 2:09 am

Going through this production I came across this:


1844 A330-941 Air Berlin RR Trent 7000

Does anyone know if this true? If it is then probably through a lessor?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... utput=html
 
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Ab345 wrote:
Going through this production I came across this:


1844 A330-941 Air Berlin RR Trent 7000

Does anyone know if this true? If it is then probably through a lessor?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... utput=html
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Ab345 wrote:
Going through this production I came across this:


1844 A330-941 Air Berlin RR Trent 7000

Does anyone know if this true? If it is then probably through a lessor?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... utput=html

I don't think this plane is for Air Berlin.
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MariaLenin wrote:
Ab345 wrote:
Going through this production I came across this:


1844 A330-941 Air Berlin RR Trent 7000

Does anyone know if this true? If it is then probably through a lessor?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... utput=html

I don't think this plane is for Air Berlin.
The spreadsheet clearly says Air Berlin. Either it's indeed a mistake, or AB does have the A339 on order with MSN 1844 already being allocated to them.
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Wingtips56 wrote:
Rookie87 wrote:
From the little that I know about interline agreements vs codeshares, what is the real impact other than no mileage accrual? Which actually would or should be the biggest impact that I'm realizing now as I'm typing this lol

The codeshare is putting your code on the other's flights and selling them as your own. I.e., AA* TXL-FRA, connecting AA FRA-DFW. AA fares, AA marketing, etc. AA gets more ticket revenue. Interline is AB TXL-FRA x/ AA FRA-DFW. Maybe cooperative fares, maybe local fares. For cooperative fares, revenue is prorated by length of haul. For marketing, the appearance of the same airline sells better, plus it can make a difference as to how routings are displayed in various booking engines. The assumption always used to be (I'm dating myself) that an interline booking was more expensive.
Now when I flew the AA* TXL-FRA (on AB metal), my expectation was I wouldn't have to pay for water to take a pill with, so that was a surprise. I have a feeling that AA might not have been comfortable with their 'name' on such a service.
Assuming, however, that the oneworld and frequent flyer relationships remain (and there has been no mention of changing that), mileage accrual and award travel shouldn't change, other than one might accrue fewer miles on a cheap AB fare versus an AA* fare.

Whether the AB-EY relationship had something to do with it, I couldn't answer.



Thank you very much Wingtips56
NOW I'm really wondering what would motivate this move. Or should I say what's the point
 
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It could also be a fear of AB going flaps-up with AA stuck holding the bag again, like when Malev folded.
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Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:37 am

I heard they are looking at HKG flights
 
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Sat Jan 21, 2017 11:24 am

So no onward connections available at JFK? That seems strange, they should really sign a codeshare agreement with B6 or DL(long shot).
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LTU932 wrote:
MariaLenin wrote:
Ab345 wrote:
Going through this production I came across this:


1844 A330-941 Air Berlin RR Trent 7000

Does anyone know if this true? If it is then probably through a lessor?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... utput=html

I don't think this plane is for Air Berlin.
The spreadsheet clearly says Air Berlin. Either it's indeed a mistake, or AB does have the A339 on order with MSN 1844 already being allocated to them.


I check that spreadsheet from time to time and I found it.."curious" that I found this update at the same time that AB is adding A332s and since no announcement was made for A339s I thought thay maybe they ordered some through a lessor.
 
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Ab345 wrote:
Going through this production I came across this:


1844 A330-941 Air Berlin RR Trent 7000

Does anyone know if this true? If it is then probably through a lessor?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... utput=html


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Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:55 pm

Wouldn't this still make that sole A330NEO an oddball in a fleet of A330CEOs? Or are they getting more of them through that lessor?
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Wouldn't this still make that sole A330NEO an oddball in a fleet of A330CEOs? Or are they getting more of them through that lessor?


It would be an oddball. Therefore I expect them to take more A339 aircraft via lessors. Not all A330neo production slots have been allocated so its too early to tell how many Air Berlin will take.
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Wouldn't this still make that sole A330NEO an oddball in a fleet of A330CEOs? Or are they getting more of them through that lessor?


Since most of the MSNs in that range are mostly empty this could probably be the first of.."some"? Since I think that Karel confirmed this i m glad we have another customer for the neo :)
 
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Rookie87 wrote:
From the little that I know about interline agreements vs codeshares, what is the real impact other than no mileage accrual? Which actually would or should be the biggest impact that I'm realizing now as I'm typing this lol

The codeshare is putting your code on the other's flights and selling them as your own. I.e., AA* TXL-FRA, connecting AA FRA-DFW. AA fares, AA marketing, etc. AA gets more ticket revenue. Interline is AB TXL-FRA x/ AA FRA-DFW. Maybe cooperative fares, maybe local fares. For cooperative fares, revenue is prorated by length of haul. For marketing, the appearance of the same airline sells better, plus it can make a difference as to how routings are displayed in various booking engines. The assumption always used to be (I'm dating myself) that an interline booking was more expensive.
Now when I flew the AA* TXL-FRA (on AB metal), my expectation was I wouldn't have to pay for water to take a pill with, so that was a surprise. I have a feeling that AA might not have been comfortable with their 'name' on such a service.
Assuming, however, that the oneworld and frequent flyer relationships remain (and there has been no mention of changing that), mileage accrual and award travel shouldn't change, other than one might accrue fewer miles on a cheap AB fare versus an AA* fare.

Whether the AB-EY relationship had something to do with it, I couldn't answer.



Most of the European airlines except for only a handful are going to total BoB now, including BA, IB, and EI, the three main IAG Legacy carriers. So AA doesn't really care about BoB and what it might do for its image. I think this move to cancel the codeshare situation is due to (1) AB's financial health (it could result in more cost to AA if/when AB fails, (2) AB is not in the TATL JV AY/BA/IB (and soon, I would think, EI).
 
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My guess is that 1 plane could be leased from CIT Group who were the 2nd to order the a330neo but I could be wrong
 
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Going through this production I came across this:
1844 A330-941 Air Berlin RR Trent 7000
Does anyone know if this true? If it is then probably through a lessor?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... utput=html


True, confirmed by Airbus (to me...) with the exact seat configuration :-)


I m glad about this :) Hope they go for the A338 too!
 
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Re: Air Berlin acquires 3 more A330s; grows US; routes; ends AA codeshares

Fri Feb 03, 2017 5:17 pm

MaxiAir wrote:
GianiDC wrote:
mercure1 wrote:

To support additional flying, it was announced internally AB will be receiving 3 additional A330-200 frames on lease for total of 17 A332 aircraft.

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2017/01/prweb13999819.htm


Do we know where they come from? I can imagine they might be former KLM planes as they phase them out and are quite young.


KLM is not phasing out any more A332's, have a look at the respective thread from a few days ago. Moreover the KLM aircraft are GE powered, while the AB fleet has PW engines.

New aicraft momentarily planned are
D-ABXE c/n 968, 8,2 years, ex JJ
D-ABXF c/n 1112 6,8 years, ex JJ
D-ABXG c/n 802 10,2 years, ex Eurofly, Meridiana, Orbest and Evelop

There were rumours about one of the TAM frames having a significant structural damage, might be one of those, and they figured it out, might be, that they won't take one of those or it might have been related to a third frame, which has been replaced by the Evelop one.

If they need more frames, Turkish has about 8 ex TAM PW pored A332's stored. They seem to be a more probable source for further equipment.


One of these ex-JJ A332s was already painted in AB's livery and flew from MEX to Brazil about a month ago. Last I heard it was at TAM's MRO center in QSC.
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Re: Air Berlin acquires 3 more A330s; grows US; routes; ends AA codeshares

Fri Feb 03, 2017 7:33 pm

D-ABXE, F And G all in AUH for Cabin change to Air Berlin plus modifications. D-ABXE positioned from Brazil via MUC last month. One of the others flew via DUS. At least D-ABXE and F already in Air Berlin colours and on German register.
 
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Re: Air Berlin acquires 3 more A330s; grows US; routes; ends AA codeshares

Tue Feb 07, 2017 11:19 am

.....I have just seen at work that indeed C/N 1508 ex Avianca shows in our fleet plans as D-ABXH planned for March 17. Yes it has Trent Engines which would mean the only one in the Fleet, but there was a rumour that we also take some from Etihad eventually. At least nearly all inspectors have Trent on the License from third Party work requirements. The A330-800/900 that was showing on the fleet plan is no longer showing at this time.
 
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Re: Air Berlin acquires 3 more A330s; grows US; routes; ends AA codeshares

Tue Feb 07, 2017 11:23 am

LTU932 wrote:
So, if AB ends its codeshare agreement with AA, could this mean that AB is on the way out of oneWorld?

Yes it could happen that they could leave OneWorld soon.
 
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Re: Air Berlin acquires 3 more A330s; grows US; routes; ends AA codeshares

Tue Feb 07, 2017 11:31 am

LTU932 wrote:
So, if AB ends its codeshare agreement with AA, could this mean that AB is on the way out of oneWorld?


I frankly never saw the benefit of AB into OW...
 
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Re: Air Berlin acquires 3 more A330s; grows US; routes; ends AA codeshares

Tue Feb 07, 2017 6:27 pm

Wingtips56 wrote:
Rookie87 wrote:
Now when I flew the AA* TXL-FRA (on AB metal), my expectation was I wouldn't have to pay for water to take a pill with, so that was a surprise. I have a feeling that AA might not have been comfortable with their 'name' on such a service.
Assuming, however, that the oneworld and frequent flyer relationships remain (and there has been no mention of changing that), mileage accrual and award travel shouldn't change, other than one might accrue fewer miles on a cheap AB fare versus an AA* fare.

Whether the AB-EY relationship had something to do with it, I couldn't answer.


Better tell AA about BA then. Flew them on Saturday HEL-LHR-MAN, even the Earl Grey Brits are so fond of are GBP2.30 per cup
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Re: Air Berlin acquires 3 more A330s; grows US; routes; ends AA codeshares

Tue Feb 07, 2017 8:22 pm

essiejosie wrote:
LTU932 wrote:
So, if AB ends its codeshare agreement with AA, could this mean that AB is on the way out of oneWorld?

Yes it could happen that they could leave OneWorld soon.


It's important to point out that they wouldn't necessarily be leaving oneworld because of the codeshare termination. There's no cause and effect there. AB would (and likely will) leave the alliance because they no longer see the benefit of paying the membership fees.

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