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Why does KLM fly to Oslo Sandefjord/Torp?

Sat Jan 21, 2017 2:53 am

I always wondered why KL flies to TRF in addition to their flights to OSL. Anyone know why by chance they fly to TRF?
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Re: Why does KLM fly to Oslo Sandefjord/Torp?

Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:43 am

Connecting passengers to ~ 25 Atlantic flights, for a large part.
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Re: Why does KLM fly to Oslo Sandefjord/Torp?

Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:55 am

As said above its about serving connecting traffic and maybe a little bit of O&D traffic to Amsterdam. KLM also flies to OSL so the TRF flight might be more comfortable for people in parts of southern Norway than the OSL flight. Plus they have a monopoly on that route.
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Re: Why does KLM fly to Oslo Sandefjord/Torp?

Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:59 am

TRF is quite far away from Oslo, and has its own catchment area (of course, no where as big). And KLM fly to a large number of secondary or even tertiary regional airports that many similarly sized airlines ignore. Just look at the UK. So, why not?
 
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Re: Why does KLM fly to Oslo Sandefjord/Torp?

Sat Jan 21, 2017 11:19 am

Isn't KLM the airlines which flies to the most destinations in Norway, indeed to get passagiers to connect threw Amsterdam.
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Re: Why does KLM fly to Oslo Sandefjord/Torp?

Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:16 pm

Dutchy wrote:
Isn't KLM the airlines which flies to the most destinations in Norway, indeed to get passagiers to connect threw Amsterdam.


Correct. And I think they are quite successful in doing this too. Amsterdam is a very popular destination for Norwegians, many Dutch travel to Norway for the natural scenery and fresh air and many Norwegians connect to KLM's huge world network. I think KLM is printing money on its Norway routes.
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Re: Why does KLM fly to Oslo Sandefjord/Torp?

Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:28 pm

CRJ900 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Isn't KLM the airlines which flies to the most destinations in Norway, indeed to get passagiers to connect threw Amsterdam.


Correct. And I think they are quite successful in doing this too. Amsterdam is a very popular destination for Norwegians, many Dutch travel to Norway for the natural scenery and fresh air and many Norwegians connect to KLM's huge world network. I think KLM is printing money on its Norway routes.


Even after the long drop in oil price?
 
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Re: Why does KLM fly to Oslo Sandefjord/Torp?

Sat Jan 21, 2017 2:40 pm

Dutchy wrote:
Isn't KLM the airlines which flies to the most destinations in Norway, indeed to get passagiers to connect threw Amsterdam.


Guess so:
Oslo 5x daily
Stavanger 4x daily
Bergen 4x daily
Oslo TRF 2x daily
Kristiansand 2x daily
Trondheim 2x daily
Alesund 1x daily
 
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Re: Why does KLM fly to Oslo Sandefjord/Torp?

Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:09 pm

dirk88 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Isn't KLM the airlines which flies to the most destinations in Norway, indeed to get passagiers to connect threw Amsterdam.


Guess so:
Oslo 5x daily
Stavanger 4x daily
Bergen 4x daily
Oslo TRF 2x daily
Kristiansand 2x daily
Trondheim 2x daily
Alesund 1x daily

= WINTER TOTAL 20x daily

The Summer schedule takes it up to 25x daily !

SUMMER 2017:
Oslo 6x daily
Stavanger 5x daily
Bergen 4x daily
Oslo TRF 2x daily
Kristiansand 3x daily
Trondheim 3x daily
Alesund 2x daily
TOTAL = 25x daily
 
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Re: Why does KLM fly to Oslo Sandefjord/Torp?

Sun Jan 22, 2017 1:59 am

that's indeed quite lot of capacity.
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Re: Why does KLM fly to Oslo Sandefjord/Torp?

Sun Jan 22, 2017 3:19 am

It is mostly about western Norway. (Except Oslo which is a large city which of course must have connection to the Amsterdam).

It is the same in western Denmark. AMS - AAL and AMS - BLL are very important routes for Aalborg and Billund airports.

Fact is that SAS mostly ignores western Denmark and Norway except for domestic traffic. We can connect in OSL or CPH and reach the whole world from there with SAS. Or we can connect in AMS and reach even more destinations with better frequency. Living in western Denmark I have used the latter option when practical, and those KLM Citihopper E190s and Fokker 70s are often full. But I still haven't talked to a fellow passenger who didn't connect at AMS, but had AMS as final destination.

Don't know about Norway, but here in Denmark Air France does the same trick via CDG. Many western Danes use AF when for instance going to America. From CDG there are much more nonstop destinations in America, and with way superior frequency, compared to the wildest dreams about CPH.

Geographically London could have been in the same league, but there are a few obstacles. First of all western Denmark to London is LCC territory, so no interlining. Secondly, London has so many airports, making transit too cumbersome in most cases.
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Re: Why does KLM fly to Oslo Sandefjord/Torp?

Sun Jan 22, 2017 4:40 am

prebennorholm wrote:

Geographically London could have been in the same league, but there are a few obstacles. First of all western Denmark to London is LCC territory, so no interlining. Secondly, London has so many airports, making transit too cumbersome in most cases.


Biggest problem is slots. If you want connections, LHR is the obvious choice, but due to slot constraints, flying E190 and F70/100 sized aircraft simply isn't worth the slots they'd use, so these secondary markets won't see the service, at least to the same extent that KLM does through AMS.

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Re: Why does KLM fly to Oslo Sandefjord/Torp?

Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:34 am

b747400erf wrote:
Even after the long drop in oil price?
Most Norwegians travel like before.
The oil price doesn't have a huge impact on most people's economy - only those who are directly involved in the oil industry (and areas like Stavanger, with lots of oil related business). The Norwegian state's economy is also not very dependent on the oil price short term (a few years), because of the "Oil Fund", which acts like a giant buffer.
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Re: Why does KLM fly to Oslo Sandefjord/Torp?

Sun Jan 22, 2017 5:47 pm

prebennorholm wrote:

Geographically London could have been in the same league, but there are a few obstacles. First of all western Denmark to London is LCC territory, so no interlining. Secondly, London has so many airports, making transit too cumbersome in most cases.


BA offers ten weekly A319 (twice daily on Days 1, 2, 4 and 5, daily on Days 3 and 7) and once weekly A320 (Day 6) from LHR to BLL. There is an early morning LHR departure (07:45, BA804) seven days a week and a mid-afternoon LHR departure (15:10, BA806) when there is the twice-daily service. That's a total of 1,598 seats a week, 83K a year.

To Norway from LHR BA have four daily flights to OSL and just a daily flight to both BGO and SVG.
 
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Re: Why does KLM fly to Oslo Sandefjord/Torp?

Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:32 am

vv701 wrote:
BA offers ten weekly A319 (twice daily on Days 1, 2, 4 and 5, daily on Days 3 and 7) and once weekly A320 (Day 6) from LHR to BLL. There is an early morning LHR departure (07:45, BA804) seven days a week and a mid-afternoon LHR departure (15:10, BA806) when there is the twice-daily service. That's a total of 1,598 seats a week, 83K a year.

Thanks for the info, vv701. BA started LHR - BLL service last May, I hadn't noticed that.

Due to slot restrictions it will likely stay something like 11 weekly. KLM also started out on small scale at BLL, but that's ages ago. Six years ago they added AAL, and now they have 42 weekly departures from western Denmark, BLL and AAL combined.

So KLM will probably survive this new competition. But it may last longer before their E190 flights become 737 territory.
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