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A320neo vs 737 Max airline preference

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:00 pm
by aaden
Hello anetters,

From what I have managed to find online and in our forums the A320neo family is outselling the 737max family.


Is there a performance difference or price that has been found by carriers that causes them to prefer the nex airbus jet over Boeing?

There is currently a 1500 order gap between airbus and Boeing and I was curious as to whether the 9 month difference in rollout was all that was responsible for this?

Thanks

Re: A320neo vs 737 Max airline preference

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:03 pm
by KarelXWB
I was curious as to whether the 9 month difference in rollout was all that was responsible for this?


It's more than 9 months. The A320neo entered service in January 2016, the MAX is slated for EIS in May 2017. That's more than 12 months and I think that explains the sales lead for the A320neo.

Re: A320neo vs 737 Max airline preference

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:27 pm
by Newbiepilot
Well your question can be looked at from many different directions.

One contributing factor to the A320neo sales lead is that Airbus has been better at selling to fast growing airlines and booking firm orders larger than traditional airlines would make. IndiGo and Air Asia have both ordered over 400 A320neos each. Boeing does not have any customers with order books that big (about 200 orders is their biggest). Airbus has also done well at splitting orders with airlines that were traditionally exclusive 737 operators like Lion Air, Norwegian and Pre merger American. I don't know the reason behind this. Each order has a unique story behind it. Price, availability, capacity, and capability are all factors. Each and every airline has a unique set of requirements.

Re: A320neo vs 737 Max airline preference

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:50 pm
by Tedd
...........Or it could be that the A320neo is a better plane. :)

Re: A320neo vs 737 Max airline preference

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:08 pm
by Revelation
Tedd wrote:
...........Or it could be that the A320neo is a better plane. :)


:stirthepot:

Re: A320neo vs 737 Max airline preference

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:10 pm
by Newbiepilot
Revelation wrote:
Tedd wrote:
...........Or it could be that the A320neo is a better plane. :)


:stirthepot:


Well some airlines think he is right and about 60% of the backlog agrees with him. 40% disagrees. Does that mean that the A320neo is 20% better than the 737 MAX?

Re: A320neo vs 737 Max airline preference

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:29 pm
by ericm2031
I think the A321NEO is a big contributing factor. That model has definitely outsold Boeing's closest model to that.

But I also agree that Airbus tends to sell to a lot more "developing" airlines while Boeing for the most part tends to stick with the more established airlines with longer track records, which reduces risk if something were to happen to that airline.

Re: A320neo vs 737 Max airline preference

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:04 pm
by crimsonchin
Tedd wrote:
...........Or it could be that the A320neo is a better plane. :)


Shhhhhhhh, surely you know that's impossible? There's no such thing as an Airbus plane that's better than a Boeing plane. Even the A330 that beat the 767, only did so because Airbus had to sell so many to compensate for A380 delays, they even sold them to airlines who didn't even order A380s in the first place!

Re: A320neo vs 737 Max airline preference

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:34 pm
by enzo011
Since the introduction of the A320 it has steadily been catching up to the 737 in terms of sales, seems this all points to the fact that the A320 may just be a better aircraft. This could be shown with the fact that the 738 is a bigger aircraft that weighs less than the A320, yet it struggles for a 50/50 sales split against the A320.

Re: A320neo vs 737 Max airline preference

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:37 pm
by Tedd
Newbiepilot wrote:
Revelation wrote:
Tedd wrote:
...........Or it could be that the A320neo is a better plane. :)


:stirthepot:


Well some airlines think he is right and about 60% of the backlog agrees with him. 40% disagrees. Does that mean that the A320neo is 20% better than the 737 MAX?


Sorry, I thought it was a quiet evening, & a stirring of the pot can get things moving. I don`t know enough to judge either plane, but I
like them both equally. Both these new models will sell well, & offer their buyers better economies & hopefully reliabilities too. The glaring
advantage to me would be engine choice on the neo with the PW, but realise that it`s not necessarily that important.
Is the neo 20% better than the MAX.....definitely not. Asked if it was 5% better & I might answer in the affirmative!

Re: A320neo vs 737 Max airline preference

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:45 am
by aaden
Tedd wrote:
Newbiepilot wrote:
Revelation wrote:

:stirthepot:


Well some airlines think he is right and about 60% of the backlog agrees with him. 40% disagrees. Does that mean that the A320neo is 20% better than the 737 MAX?


Sorry, I thought it was a quiet evening, & a stirring of the pot can get things moving. I don`t know enough to judge either plane, but I
like them both equally. Both these new models will sell well, & offer their buyers better economies & hopefully reliabilities too. The glaring
advantage to me would be engine choice on the neo with the PW, but realise that it`s not necessarily that important.
Is the neo 20% better than the MAX.....definitely not. Asked if it was 5% better & I might answer in the affirmative!



What about this plane seems to make many carriers think this? That's really my question as to why this perception exists.

Re: A320neo vs 737 Max airline preference

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:58 am
by ExDubai
Tedd wrote:
...........Or it could be that the A320neo is a better plane. :)


Upps.... somebody said jehovah... ;)

Re: A320neo vs 737 Max airline preference

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 1:55 am
by anshabhi
Also after the B787 saga with AI, no new Indian airline has looked at Boeing. Simply, they didn't provide satisfactory after sales service.

Re: A320neo vs 737 Max airline preference

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 2:58 am
by airzona11
anshabhi wrote:
Also after the B787 saga with AI, no new Indian airline has looked at Boeing. Simply, they didn't provide satisfactory after sales service.


Except for the $22 billion SpiceJet order 2 weeks ago.

Re: A320neo vs 737 Max airline preference

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 3:15 am
by anshabhi
airzona11 wrote:
anshabhi wrote:
Also after the B787 saga with AI, no new Indian airline has looked at Boeing. Simply, they didn't provide satisfactory after sales service.


Except for the $22 billion SpiceJet order 2 weeks ago.

$22 billion is the list price. Nothing else, anyways SpiceJet is not a new airline. It has always operated B737. There are 2 new airlines- Vistara & AirAsia India. Both of them fly A320. Even spicejet was considering A320 for a long time. But, Boeing gave them some really amazing deal.

Finally, there are 600 A320Neo orders and 230 B737Max orders in India. The 2 new Airlines are yet to order more NEOs for them.

Re: A320neo vs 737 Max airline preference

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 3:22 am
by airzona11
anshabhi wrote:
airzona11 wrote:
anshabhi wrote:
Also after the B787 saga with AI, no new Indian airline has looked at Boeing. Simply, they didn't provide satisfactory after sales service.


Except for the $22 billion SpiceJet order 2 weeks ago.

$22 billion is the list price. Nothing else, anyways SpiceJet is not a new airline. It has always operated B737. There are 2 new airlines- Vistara & AirAsia India. Both of them fly A320. Even spicejet was considering A320 for a long time. But, Boeing gave them some really amazing deal.

Finally, there are 600 A320Neo orders and 230 B737Max orders in India. The 2 new Airlines are yet to order more NEOs for them.


A new order is a new order. And 230 Max is still a lot of jets.

Re: A320neo vs 737 Max airline preference

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 3:22 am
by BawliBooch
airzona11 wrote:
anshabhi wrote:
Also after the B787 saga with AI, no new Indian airline has looked at Boeing. Simply, they didn't provide satisfactory after sales service.


Except for the $22 billion SpiceJet order 2 weeks ago.


Not to go against your point, but off all the orders placed from India in the past 10 years, the SG order for MAX's is the least likely to see completion despite "Dear Leader's" benevolent hand blessing the owner Ajai Singh.

Re: A320neo vs 737 Max airline preference

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 4:13 am
by anshabhi
BawliBooch wrote:
airzona11 wrote:
anshabhi wrote:
Also after the B787 saga with AI, no new Indian airline has looked at Boeing. Simply, they didn't provide satisfactory after sales service.


Except for the $22 billion SpiceJet order 2 weeks ago.


Not to go against your point, but off all the orders placed from India in the past 10 years, the SG order for MAX's is the least likely to see completion despite "Dear Leader's" benevolent hand blessing the owner Ajai Singh.


For Americans, Dear leader= Mr Narendra Modi. Our PM