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Syrian Air to acquire A340-300

Sun Jan 29, 2017 7:51 pm

Syrian Air will acquire an A343 from Mahan Air and plans to launch flights to China and Latin America.
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Re: Syrian Air to acquire A340-300

Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:04 pm

Always good to see an A340-300 finding a new home. :-)

Latin America? Interesting, why?
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Re: Syrian Air to acquire A340-300

Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:11 pm

Dutchy wrote:
Always good to see an A340-300 finding a new home. :-)

Latin America? Interesting, why?


Caracas - Damascus - Tehran all over again
 
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Re: Syrian Air to acquire A340-300

Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:49 pm

I am not aware how the current situation in Syria is at the moment but is it not too early to start commercial flights?
 
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Re: Syrian Air to acquire A340-300

Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:14 pm

Probably the cargo capacity will come in handy too!
 
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Re: Syrian Air to acquire A340-300

Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:23 pm

Caracas is not in Latin America - its in South America
 
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Re: Syrian Air to acquire A340-300

Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:27 pm

GianiDC wrote:
I am not aware how the current situation in Syria is at the moment but is it not too early to start commercial flights?


Although Syrian Air is banned from operating to the EU due to sanctions, it would seem that limited operations have continued even during the Civil War. The fleet, however, is very small.
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Re: Syrian Air to acquire A340-300

Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:37 pm

At least one 320 is still flying more or less scheduled to some Middle East destinations and Moscow Vnukovo. On FR there was also appearing at least one of their IL76s
 
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Re: Syrian Air to acquire A340-300

Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:58 pm

Can't imagine what they're going to do with an A340; getting halfway across Damascus can take twelve hours due to checkpoints etc, they have an A320 that does the occasional Dubai and a weekly Moscow. Look at FR24. Most stuff flying out of there turns its transponder off as soon as it gets airborne. Point is, I don't know how you get 250 people to Damascus airport on a semi-regular basis to take a flight to China (although many of its residents would love to be anywhere else right now). Can't see this getting anywhere for the foreseeable future.
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Re: Syrian Air to acquire A340-300

Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:09 pm

I'm glad they are getting something via Iran instead of Russia's old planes. I don't see why these people should be forced to flee by dinghies instead of by plane. If they use it for passenger service surely it will save someone.
 
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Re: Syrian Air to acquire A340-300

Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:23 pm

Syria didn't have flights to China and South America in peace time. They're not about to start now. Even after the war is over, it will be decades before they start such routes. Unfortunately, this is a poor country that will be much poorer after the war is over. 5 million pax used DAM at its peak before the war.

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Re: Syrian Air to acquire A340-300

Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:28 pm

Re. flights to/from/within Syria, these have been operating for sometime now. According to FR24, there will be 14 departures from DAM today, mainly on Cham Wings and FlyDamas, both to various cities, but also Syrian to Bahrain and Dubai. In January 2017, and according to OAG, the domestic Syrian city of Kamishly has the greatest number of seats available from DAM, at 8,835. Next is Kuwait will 5,850 and then Najaf with 5,288.
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Re: Syrian Air to acquire A340-300

Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:05 pm

HoboJoe wrote:
Caracas is not in Latin America - its in South America


South America is in Latin America.
 
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Re: Syrian Air to acquire A340-300

Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:11 pm

HoboJoe wrote:
Caracas is not in Latin America - its in South America


Latin America includes all Spanish and Portuguese speaking countries in the Americas which means all countries on the American mainland with exception of Canada, USA, Belize, Guyana and Suriname as well as some countries on Caribbean islands. Some definitions don't include the Caribbean, some include French-speaking parts (like French Guyana or Gudeloupe) as well. Venezuela and its capital Caracas are however part of Latin America (which includes most of South America) in either definition.
 
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Re: Syrian Air to acquire A340-300

Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:59 pm

Syria is a dangerous war zone, do tourists still visit the country?
 
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Re: Syrian Air to acquire A340-300

Mon Jan 30, 2017 12:19 am

DouglasDC10 wrote:
HoboJoe wrote:
Caracas is not in Latin America - its in South America


Latin America includes all Spanish and Portuguese speaking countries in the Americas which means all countries on the American mainland with exception of Canada, USA, Belize, Guyana and Suriname as well as some countries on Caribbean islands. Some definitions don't include the Caribbean, some include French-speaking parts (like French Guyana or Gudeloupe) as well. Venezuela and its capital Caracas are however part of Latin America (which includes most of South America) in either definition.


Don't they speak Spanish in Belize?
 
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Re: Syrian Air to acquire A340-300

Mon Jan 30, 2017 12:26 am

DouglasDC10 wrote:
HoboJoe wrote:
Caracas is not in Latin America - its in South America


Latin America includes all Spanish and Portuguese speaking countries in the Americas which means all countries on the American mainland with exception of Canada, USA, Belize, Guyana and Suriname as well as some countries on Caribbean islands. Some definitions don't include the Caribbean, some include French-speaking parts (like French Guyana or Gudeloupe) as well. Venezuela and its capital Caracas are however part of Latin America (which includes most of South America) in either definition.

I stand corrected - However Caracas Venezuela is still in South America
 
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Re: Syrian Air to acquire A340-300

Mon Jan 30, 2017 1:20 am

Belize was once British Honduras ... hence the (only) official language is English. Sure many have a knowledge of Spanish.

And, indeed, mahan and IR fly their A300s into DAM frequently from Teheran, so not unusual to board 250 OS X there. However, I do not know what the nature is of these flights, I.e. who flies that route.
 
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Re: Syrian Air to acquire A340-300

Mon Jan 30, 2017 1:57 am

KLDC10 wrote:
GianiDC wrote:
I am not aware how the current situation in Syria is at the moment but is it not too early to start commercial flights?


Although Syrian Air is banned from operating to the EU due to sanctions, it would seem that limited operations have continued even during the Civil War. The fleet, however, is very small.


Luxair747SP wrote:
At least one 320 is still flying more or less scheduled to some Middle East destinations and Moscow Vnukovo. On FR there was also appearing at least one of their IL76s

They have 2 operational A320's, registrations vary from time to time, currently it's YK-AKD and YK-AKF. They also have an A306 EP-MNM, which is leased from W5.

Current international routes are:
DAM-BGW/NJF/KWI/BAH/DOH/AUH/DXB/SHJ/KRT/VKO

Domestic routes are:
DAM-KAC, DAM-LTK, LTK-KAC

Besides A320's, most domestic flights are operated by T134 and YK40, they have two of each type operational. The Russian types are also used for government flights.

Cargo flights are operated by a fleet of three operational IL76's, international destinations are ABD and THR, domestic destinations are KAC and LTK as well as several militairy bases.

JayBCNLON wrote:
And, indeed, mahan and IR fly their A300s into DAM frequently from Teheran, so not unusual to board 250 OS X there. However, I do not know what the nature is of these flights, I.e. who flies that route.

No they don't, neither of them have operated flights to Syria for several years now.
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Re: Syrian Air to acquire A340-300

Mon Jan 30, 2017 2:02 am

I'm assuming this aircraft won't be as much for passengers but will be more for cargo.

I mean if you fly such an aircraft to an allied nation, whose to say they wouldn't turn a blind eye to what's being loaded aboard? (I'm thinking weapons among other things)
 
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Re: Syrian Air to acquire A340-300

Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:13 am

HoboJoe wrote:
Caracas is not in Latin America - its in South America


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Re: Syrian Air to acquire A340-300

Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:20 am

GianiDC wrote:
I am not aware how the current situation in Syria is at the moment but is it not too early to start commercial flights?

I have to question this. The country of Syria is destroyed according to the fake news media. No way would they have an airline.
Why endure the nightmare and congestion of LAX when BUR, LGB, ONT & SNA is so much easier to fly in and out of. Same with OAK & SJC when it comes to SFO.
 
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Re: Syrian Air to acquire A340-300

Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:20 am

solarflyer22 wrote:
I'm glad they are getting something via Iran instead of Russia's old planes. I don't see why these people should be forced to flee by dinghies instead of by plane. If they use it for passenger service surely it will save someone.



Those forced to flee by dinghies instead of planes are more or less illegal immigrants who tend to have no passports, ID or any official paperwork that's why they choose to go by 'dinghies' so there not exactly the type of passenger that would 'instead' go by plane.
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Re: Syrian Air to acquire A340-300

Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:29 am

dc10lover wrote:
GianiDC wrote:
I am not aware how the current situation in Syria is at the moment but is it not too early to start commercial flights?

I have to question this. The country of Syria is destroyed according to the fake news media. No way would they have an airline.


The country of Syria is bigger than most assume it is especially when the 'fake' news media outlets show all the destruction and how bad the country is and it is a mess but most of that is in the far north of the country where as Damascus the capital is situated right at the bottom far left of the country and has virtually escaped from any destrucion and although the situation is far from perfect it still functions as the countries capital so it would be very feasible for the state airline to still be trading to some extent and therefore acquiring new aircraft such as is the case here.
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Re: Syrian Air to acquire A340-300

Mon Jan 30, 2017 4:31 am

Mahan Air has already been sanctioned by the USA and EU for its role in aiding the Bashar Hafez al-Assad regime. I would suspect that this plane is being acquired because it could fly nonstop from DAM to CCS without any real penalty, and that its belly cargo capability could be used for some pretty nefarious reasons. The flight path doesn't require traversing over the EU. I suspect that this A340-300 will be used to transport weapons and or nuclear base materials to support the Maduro regime. The USA will need to watch what is off-loaded from that plane at CCS via CIA agents; this could be a case of a plane with very few passengers but full belly cargo.
 
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Re: Syrian Air to acquire A340-300

Mon Jan 30, 2017 7:47 am

hisham wrote:
Syria didn't have flights to China and South America in peace time. They're not about to start now. Even after the war is over, it will be decades before they start such routes.



Just wait till Chinese money starts flowing in to provide 'aid' in the form of construction and business. Those flights will be needed then much more than in peacetime.
 
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Re: Syrian Air to acquire A340-300

Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:52 am

Oh great! I mean we have tons of planes inside Iran and it's also very easy for us to acquire them. It's not like other Iranian carriers could use the A340 better...
 
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Re: Syrian Air to acquire A340-300

Mon Jan 30, 2017 11:07 am

I am more interested in opening China Routes. Where would it open ? Beijing ? Shanghai ? Guangzhou ?
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Re: Syrian Air to acquire A340-300

Mon Jan 30, 2017 11:19 am

HoboJoe wrote:
Caracas is not in Latin America - its in South America


It's one in the same.

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Re: Syrian Air to acquire A340-300

Mon Jan 30, 2017 12:06 pm

HoboJoe wrote:
Caracas is not in Latin America - its in South America



Not relevant , but care to explain your comment? Caracas is part of Latin America
 
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Re: Syrian Air to acquire A340-300

Mon Jan 30, 2017 12:20 pm

NichCage wrote:
Syria is a dangerous war zone, do tourists still visit the country?


Only if they have a death wish.
 
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Re: Syrian Air to acquire A340-300

Mon Jan 30, 2017 1:54 pm

HoboJoe wrote:
Caracas is not in Latin America - its in South America


Intriguing.

IMU Latin America is the group of countries that use derivatives of Spanish or Portuguese
( excludes Haiti, French Guiana, Martinique, Guadeloupe, Saint Martin, Saint Barthélemy).
That includes Mexico as furthest north.
South America seems to cover all of the lower part of America.
North America .... Northern part.
Central America for just the land bridge but excluding Mexico.

Quite a bit of overlap between linguistic derivation and geographic derivation.
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Re: Syrian Air to acquire A340-300

Mon Jan 30, 2017 2:03 pm

richcam427 wrote:
NichCage wrote:
Syria is a dangerous war zone, do tourists still visit the country?


Only if they have a death wish.


http://www.srf.ch/news/international/da ... -und-luxus

The span is extremely big.
There are the war zones but in other regions life goes on.
Probably less dangerous there than some slum quarters in the US.
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Re: Syrian Air to acquire A340-300

Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:19 pm

Given the mess Syria and Venezuela are in right now I'm surprised that this is being pushed. Moreover, I'm surprised there is even cash to fund this (dumb) idea.
HoboJoe wrote:
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Re: Syrian Air to acquire A340-300

Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:22 pm

HoboJoe wrote:
I stand corrected - However Caracas Venezuela is still in South America


South America.
Latin America.
both appear correct for Venezuela.
I was just wondering why you thought the two tags were exclusive?
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Re: Syrian Air to acquire A340-300

Mon Jan 30, 2017 4:26 pm

WIederling wrote:
richcam427 wrote:
NichCage wrote:
Syria is a dangerous war zone, do tourists still visit the country?


Only if they have a death wish.


http://www.srf.ch/news/international/da ... -und-luxus

The span is extremely big.
There are the war zones but in other regions life goes on.
Probably less dangerous there than some slum quarters in the US.


Yeah, no. I live in a not-so-good area myself, and I still wouldn't trade it for living in an area like that.
 
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Re: Syrian Air to acquire A340-300

Mon Jan 30, 2017 4:33 pm

BasilFawlty wrote:

Current international routes are:
DAM-BGW/NJF/KWI/BAH/DOH/AUH/DXB/SHJ/KRT/VKO



I've seen their A320's go to Tunis quite a few times on FR24 too.
 
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Mon Jan 30, 2017 4:54 pm

Branzino wrote:
BasilFawlty wrote:

Current international routes are:
DAM-BGW/NJF/KWI/BAH/DOH/AUH/DXB/SHJ/KRT/VKO



I've seen their A320's go to Tunis quite a few times on FR24 too.


If Iranian expats here in Germany are any reference they are a successful little lot.
trade, engineering, health care, .. they integrate well.
If that is valid elsewhere I see demand just from "homegoing" traffic.
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Re: Syrian Air to acquire A340-300

Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:19 pm

Is there a source in any language for the OP's assertion?
 
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Re: Syrian Air to acquire A340-300

Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:41 pm

Over the course of the last 4 years, I have seen Syrian Air live and in person. I have seen them in RUH, JED, and DOH. In fact, I have seen them a number of times. They are definitely in business. Their livery is interesting.
A year or two ago, the Syrian Air Airbus flight parked by my QR flight in DOH. I waited around for all the pax to deboard the Syrian Air flight. I tagged along with the pax walking through the terminal. That was memorable. What a sad bunch. But boy did they look happy leaving customs! I waited around by the gate to see the crew deplane, but maybe they weren't leaving the plane, and turning around for a return. The passengers lined up in a dedicated queue in DOH immigration. A friend that is a cabin crew for QR also told me he couldn't believe his eyes when he saw Syrian in DOH as well another time. Syrian isn't a big airline, but they seemed to be a regular visitor in the mentioned airports.

A few days later Syrian Air was heading back from DOH, it was leaving at an odd time, 5 a.m.
If you click on flightradar24 you can see them sometimes. Flights go to Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Doha, I didn't see one going to Dubai but I saw it bound for Sharjah. In Doha the monitor said the flight originated in Latakia.
A Syrian friend would head back to Syria sometimes. He told me that certain travel agencies in Riyadh sold tickets on Syrian.
Their website looks like it hasn't been updated in years and years. Maybe that's changed. Who knows.
Yes, there is a terrible war in Syria, but the capital is in control of Assad. Nonetheless how the airline keeps going is a mystery.
About 3-4 years ago, I saw Yemenia in RIyadh. I believe Yemenia has since largely ceased operations.

This is strange news. Is this confirmed?
 
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Re: Syrian Air to acquire A340-300

Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:51 pm

I guess there isnt much pax traffic between those two suggested routes, but those flights will be of diplomatic reasons and may carry alot of cargo between those routes(probably weapons and ammunition).
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Re: Syrian Air to acquire A340-300

Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:06 pm

HoboJoe wrote:
Caracas is not in Latin America - its in South America


Caracas is in *both* Latin American and South America. Wikipedia.
 
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Re: Syrian Air to acquire A340-300

Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:17 pm

clrd4t8koff wrote:
DouglasDC10 wrote:
HoboJoe wrote:
Caracas is not in Latin America - its in South America


Latin America includes all Spanish and Portuguese speaking countries in the Americas which means all countries on the American mainland with exception of Canada, USA, Belize, Guyana and Suriname as well as some countries on Caribbean islands. Some definitions don't include the Caribbean, some include French-speaking parts (like French Guyana or Gudeloupe) as well. Venezuela and its capital Caracas are however part of Latin America (which includes most of South America) in either definition.


Don't they speak Spanish in Belize?



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Re: Syrian Air to acquire A340-300

Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:19 pm

South America = Latin America, all Sapnish and Portugese speaking countries from Mexico to Chile and everyone in between is included in the huge Latin America region. But wikipedia also says Hispancis and Latinos are not the same, Latinos being South American Portugese speakers only, weird.

As for Syrian they are currently operatng an A300 leased from Mahan as welll.
 
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Re: Syrian Air to acquire A340-300

Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:48 am

I wonder: did Ilyushin stop producing the IL-96?
Isn't it a reliable yet cheap (compared to Western counterparts) airliner?

I thought it would be more successful with small Middle East or CIS carriers... something like a "poor-man's-A340".
Wouldn't be better to airlines like Syrianair to operate these jets instead of early build A340s? (Not saying the Mahan Air A340 is old or in bad shape, but I hope you understand what I mean).
I wonder when people will understand:
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Re: Syrian Air to acquire A340-300

Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:59 am

Interesting news. Syria and Venezuela are a perfect match...
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Re: Syrian Air to acquire A340-300

Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:28 am

This actually raises a question I've had lingering for a while...
Someone above mentioned that Syrian flies DAM to various places in the Middle East... I guess places like AUH and KWI make sense as there may be some business traffic between DAM and those cities,
But cities like KRT, BGW, NJF even TUN ... What is the make up of those flights... Is there a lot of VFR traffic, business??, historical ties... I'm not trying to be pedantic, I genuinely don't understand. Why would there be a need to fly from Syria to Sudan for instance?
Maybe someone from that area can enlighten me?!
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Re: Syrian Air to acquire A340-300

Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:44 am

JayBCNLON wrote:
Belize was once British Honduras ... hence the (only) official language is English. Sure many have a knowledge of Spanish.


I´m not sure they have an official language per se. Although of course, they are an English speaking country. But Spanish is prevalent too, as well as Mayan in some regions, where as matter of fact, many people don´t speak anything other than Mayan.
 
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Re: Syrian Air to acquire A340-300

Tue Jan 31, 2017 5:47 am

bhxdtw wrote:
This actually raises a question I've had lingering for a while...
Someone above mentioned that Syrian flies DAM to various places in the Middle East... I guess places like AUH and KWI make sense as there may be some business traffic between DAM and those cities,
But cities like KRT, BGW, NJF even TUN ... What is the make up of those flights... Is there a lot of VFR traffic, business??, historical ties... I'm not trying to be pedantic, I genuinely don't understand. Why would there be a need to fly from Syria to Sudan for instance?
Maybe someone from that area can enlighten me?!
Thanks!!


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Re: Syrian Air to acquire A340-300

Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:20 pm

klwright69 wrote:
Over the course of the last 4 years, I have seen Syrian Air live and in person. I have seen them in RUH, JED, and DOH. In fact, I have seen them a number of times. They are definitely in business. Their livery is interesting.
A year or two ago, the Syrian Air Airbus flight parked by my QR flight in DOH. I waited around for all the pax to deboard the Syrian Air flight. I tagged along with the pax walking through the terminal. That was memorable. What a sad bunch. But boy did they look happy leaving customs! I waited around by the gate to see the crew deplane, but maybe they weren't leaving the plane, and turning around for a return. The passengers lined up in a dedicated queue in DOH immigration. A friend that is a cabin crew for QR also told me he couldn't believe his eyes when he saw Syrian in DOH as well another time. Syrian isn't a big airline, but they seemed to be a regular visitor in the mentioned airports.



I also saw an RB flight from DAM twice last year in DXB. Saw both the plane and the passengers at baggage reclaim, and it was so weird seeing an airline from a war torn country. As for the pax, I also remember thinking they how sad some of them looked. I remember noticing how most people seemed to have half-empty bags-probably not much in Syria worth getting.
On another note, there are plenty of Syrians living in the Gulf who still travel back to Damascus, or who will send for relatives to visit them. Your average Syrian expat family living in the Gulf probably no longer makes the annual trip back home, but given that the ME3 no longer fly to Syria, there is still enough traffic to warrant a few weekly flights.

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Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos