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Repairs uncover cocaine worth $434K in AA nose gear

Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:29 pm

AA flight from BOG to MIA. You've got to question security procedures at BOG and could this have caused any safety issues for aircraft? Replace the coke bricks for explosives and you have a different story...

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/30/repairs- ... -gear.html
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Re: Repairs uncover cocaine worth $434K in AA nose gear

Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:33 pm

Amazing that it wasn't discovered in MIA as well before going to TUL for MX.
 
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Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:33 pm

I guess it was a C check? :duck:
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Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:34 pm

I love the picture that they use for the article looks like a laughing 747
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Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:35 pm

scbriml wrote:
I guess it was a C check? :duck:


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Re: Repairs uncover cocaine worth $434K in AA nose gear

Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:36 pm

Someone is going for a swim in the Everglades.

Any MIA ground crew not show for their shift?
 
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Re: Repairs uncover cocaine worth $434K in AA nose gear

Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:38 pm

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I guess it was a C check? :duck:

Well done Sir. :bigthumbsup:
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Re: Repairs uncover cocaine worth $434K in AA nose gear

Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:58 pm

Surprising it wasn't found in MIA, either by the ground crew or the flight crew on pre-flight to TUL. You'd think the bricks would be relatively accessible during a walk around, otherwise it shouldn't be that easy for the ground crew to collect the bricks during a quick turn-around between flights.
 
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Re: Repairs uncover cocaine worth $434K in AA nose gear

Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:03 pm

Considering the security age we now live in, would it not be sensible as a IATA regulation, that all international airports have multiple cameras installed at each gate (CCTV system) to detect any sabotage or malfeasance?

Thoughts?
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Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:08 pm

Oh damn that's where I left it.
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Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:08 pm

scbriml wrote:
I guess it was a C check? :duck:


Winner!
 
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Re: Repairs uncover cocaine worth $434K in AA nose gear

Mon Jan 30, 2017 7:10 pm

Funny that the coke was found in the nose gear area. Someone had a sense of humor!
 
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Re: Repairs uncover cocaine worth $434K in AA nose gear

Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:31 pm

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I love the picture that they use for the article looks like a laughing 747


Guess I didn't know that AA had 747F's. Anyone confirm?
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Re: Repairs uncover cocaine worth $434K in AA nose gear

Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:44 pm

Polarisguy wrote:
apfpilot wrote:
I love the picture that they use for the article looks like a laughing 747


Guess I didn't know that AA had 747F's. Anyone confirm?


They don't. It was a stock image.
 
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Re: Repairs uncover cocaine worth $434K in AA nose gear

Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:46 pm

Just goes to show, for every 1,000 bricks sent, one got misplaced.
 
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Re: Repairs uncover cocaine worth $434K in AA nose gear

Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:54 pm

Line maintenance did definitely miss a trick there ...
 
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Re: Repairs uncover cocaine worth $434K in AA nose gear

Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:01 pm

I wonder what caused the plane to be flagged for maintenance? It obviously left MIA in a hurry before someone can remove the bricks of cocaine.
 
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Re: Repairs uncover cocaine worth $434K in AA nose gear

Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:16 pm

Anyone know what type of plane?
 
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Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:28 pm

Cyow wrote:
AA flight from BOG to MIA. You've got to question security procedures at BOG and could this have caused any safety issues for aircraft? Replace the coke bricks for explosives and you have a different story...
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/30/repairs- ... -gear.html


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Re: Repairs uncover cocaine worth $434K in AA nose gear

Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:28 pm

Dalmd88 wrote:
Anyone know what type of plane?

Probably this 752

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL9642/history/20170130/1317Z/KMIA/KTUL
 
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Re: Repairs uncover cocaine worth $434K in AA nose gear

Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:37 pm

It was discovered early on Sunday. I think this is the flight operated by N959AN:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL2 ... /KMIA/KTUL
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Re: Repairs uncover cocaine worth $434K in AA nose gear

Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:45 pm

'I am Colombian, and I have to say this is shameful and embarrassing. That is why we will never get rid of the 'drug dealer' stigma we carry wherever we go

Also, it reflects poorly on BOG's security procedures.

Hope they catch whoever did this
 
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Re: Repairs uncover cocaine worth $434K in AA nose gear

Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:09 pm

The media is getting some facts wrong, but I can't figure out which ones.

There were zero AA flights from MIA to TUL on the 29th.

The flight 720B mentions above actually departed late on the 28th and is a 737 that was in DCA right before MIA. So that's not it.

There are currently 4 757s in TUL:
5ER (came from MIA, then MCO before that...both on the 27th)
5EX (came from MIA, then MCO before that...both on the 25th)
5FE (came from MIA on the 30th, then UVF before that on the 29th)
5FR (came from MIA on the 26th, then EGE before that on the 25th)

So it's not a 757.

In fact, the only aircraft that fly BOG-MIA are A320s (Flights 1130 and 916 every day)

The aircraft that made up 1130 on the 29th is currently in the air to GND (and was never in TUL recently).
The aircraft that made up 916 on the 29th is currently in the air to MIA (and was never in TUL recently).

And TUL is only a maintenance base for Boeings.

Anyone else have any more info?
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Re: Repairs uncover cocaine worth $434K in AA nose gear

Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:23 pm

scbriml wrote:
I guess it was a C check? :duck:

Good one :highfive:
 
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Re: Repairs uncover cocaine worth $434K in AA nose gear

Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:42 pm

I'm starting to think it is 5FE. It arrived in MIA yesterday, as the CNBC article indicates. But it didn't go to TUL until this morning, arriving at 11am. Which if MTC got to work right away, gives just enough time to find the stuff, alert the authorities, and the media to pick up the story.

IF this is the case, then the aircraft came from St Lucia, NOT Bogota.

In either case, makes me wonder what's really going on here.
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Re: Repairs uncover cocaine worth $434K in AA nose gear

Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:44 pm

Cyow wrote:
AA flight from BOG to MIA. You've got to question security procedures at BOG and could this have caused any safety issues for aircraft? Replace the coke bricks for explosives and you have a different story...

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/30/repairs- ... -gear.html

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Re: Repairs uncover cocaine worth $434K in AA nose gear

Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:56 pm

I wonder how much cocaine each of the mechanics in Tulsa took home last night?
 
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Re: Repairs uncover cocaine worth $434K in AA nose gear

Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:57 pm

720B wrote:
'I am Colombian, and I have to say this is shameful and embarrassing. That is why we will never get rid of the 'drug dealer' stigma we carry wherever we go

Also, it reflects poorly on BOG's security procedures.

Hope they catch whoever did this


We failed too! We did not detect the shipment at MIA, either upon landing or takeoff.

Whether or not people are caught, the unlimited demand for the product will continue. Colombia does not deserve any stigma, the USA does. We cause this problem and should apologize for the harms caused.
 
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Re: Repairs uncover cocaine worth $434K in AA nose gear

Mon Jan 30, 2017 11:41 pm

Flighty wrote:
720B wrote:
'I am Colombian, and I have to say this is shameful and embarrassing. That is why we will never get rid of the 'drug dealer' stigma we carry wherever we go

Also, it reflects poorly on BOG's security procedures.

Hope they catch whoever did this


We failed too! We did not detect the shipment at MIA, either upon landing or takeoff.

Whether or not people are caught, the unlimited demand for the product will continue. Colombia does not deserve any stigma, the USA does. We cause this problem and should apologize for the harms caused.


How cynical of you. I mean, the USA tries to sell the idea of capitalism abroad. You know, supply and demand. And there is a DEMAND for this material in the USA. So the rest of the world provides the SUPPLY. It's as if you think the USA should take responsibility for its DEMAND or something like that! (spoken as a US citizen)
 
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Re: Repairs uncover cocaine worth $434K in AA nose gear

Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:13 am

So this flight came from the Caribbean and not Colombia? A minor correction, to my knowledge the Airbus flights to BOG are the sharklet A319 and not the A320(?)

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Re: Repairs uncover cocaine worth $434K in AA nose gear

Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:52 am

I love how CNBC put this:

Authorities say 31 pounds of cocaine that was accidentally discovered stashed in the nose


"accidentally discovered" If the maintenance tech "purposefully" discovered it, he screwed up by telling someone.
 
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Re: Repairs uncover cocaine worth $434K in AA nose gear

Tue Jan 31, 2017 4:45 am

So where can you store a couple of cocaine bricks in the wheel well without it being discovered? Are there many hiding places in a wheel well?
 
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Re: Repairs uncover cocaine worth $434K in AA nose gear

Tue Jan 31, 2017 5:54 am

There isn't really anywhere to put the stash in the nose wheel well, not a lot of room. Too easy to find and or lose it during a flight. In the nose wheel well there are pressure panels on the sides of the wheel well however, you can see the 4 of them with bolts sticking out of them. These panels have some empty space tunnels behind them where things could be stashed. It would make some sense on how it was found during maintenance.

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Re: Repairs uncover cocaine worth $434K in AA nose gear

Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:20 am

hufftheweevil wrote:
I'm starting to think it is 5FE. It arrived in MIA yesterday, as the CNBC article indicates. But it didn't go to TUL until this morning, arriving at 11am. Which if MTC got to work right away, gives just enough time to find the stuff, alert the authorities, and the media to pick up the story.

IF this is the case, then the aircraft came from St Lucia, NOT Bogota.

In either case, makes me wonder what's really going on here.


It seems as if the article would have been published about the same time as 5FE arrived in TUL, which doesn't seem right.

I actually think it was 5ER. It flew to TUL on Friday, and while it did operate MIA-MCO-MIA, its last two turns prior to that were to PAP and SDQ. If my memory serves me correctly, SDQ has a fairly recent history of drug trafficking involving airline employees.
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Re: Repairs uncover cocaine worth $434K in AA nose gear

Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:23 pm

blacksoviet wrote:
I wonder how much cocaine each of the mechanics in Tulsa took home last night?


None, you do know Airline Mechanics are subject to Random Drug Testing.
 
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Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:59 pm

Boof02671 wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
I wonder how much cocaine each of the mechanics in Tulsa took home last night?


None, you do know Airline Mechanics are subject to Random Drug Testing.

That doesn't mean they can't sell a few pounds for a little extra income.
 
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Re: Repairs uncover cocaine worth $434K in AA nose gear

Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:19 pm

And what facts are you basing this on?

Its quite apparent you dont know that all TULE employees have their bags searched upon leaving work.
 
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Re: Repairs uncover cocaine worth $434K in AA nose gear

Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:57 pm

Maybe they were hoping it would drop out when the plane put it's gear down approaching Miami, and they would be there with boats ready to pick it up. Maybe they've been doing this for years!
 
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Re: Repairs uncover cocaine worth $434K in AA nose gear

Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:49 pm

flyingcat wrote:
Someone is going for a swim in the Everglades.

Any MIA ground crew not show for their shift?


Not going "Miami Vice" on this.....................but I was thinking the same thing.
 
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Re: Repairs uncover cocaine worth $434K in AA nose gear

Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:28 pm

Not the first time drugs have been found on an aircraft during maintenance in TULE.......and it won't be the last
 
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Re: Repairs uncover cocaine worth $434K in AA nose gear

Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:36 pm

Drugs were found on Pan Am and Eastern flights all the time, in MIA, NYC and ATL.

When DL bought some L1011s from EA cocaine was found behind panels when DL was overhauling the planes.

And in CLT heavy maintenance drugs were found on US planes, and workers always wondered if some were planted.
 
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Re: Repairs uncover cocaine worth $434K in AA nose gear

Tue Jan 31, 2017 4:45 pm

Do all airports have xray security through for all employees no matters what positions jobs are at airport access? How did employees carry drugs and place into plane without notice anyone else?

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Re: Repairs uncover cocaine worth $434K in AA nose gear

Tue Jan 31, 2017 5:10 pm

Chemist wrote:
Flighty wrote:
720B wrote:
'I am Colombian, and I have to say this is shameful and embarrassing. That is why we will never get rid of the 'drug dealer' stigma we carry wherever we go

How cynical of you. I mean, the USA tries to sell the idea of capitalism abroad. You know, supply and demand. And there is a DEMAND for this material in the USA. So the rest of the world provides the SUPPLY. It's as if you think the USA should take responsibility for its DEMAND or something like that! (spoken as a US citizen)

There is plenty of demand for this stuff in countries other than the US and I would say it is certainly a failure in terms of security on both countries. And capitalism is attributed to our Scottish friends originally through Adam Smiths book The Wealth of Nations

I am surprised this can fit in the wheel well as 31#s would be about the size of 15 sacks of flour or sugar you see in US grocery stores. Surprised still the underestimated the street value of this find, usually on the news the cops love to attribute these rediculously high values of drugs confinscated. If anything 31 pounds could probably fetch street prices of close of $800k
 
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Re: Repairs uncover cocaine worth $434K in AA nose gear

Tue Jan 31, 2017 5:31 pm

720B wrote:
'I am Colombian, and I have to say this is shameful and embarrassing. That is why we will never get rid of the 'drug dealer' stigma we carry wherever we go

Also, it reflects poorly on BOG's security procedures.

Hope they catch whoever did this


I was thinking the same thing - it is an embarrassment for Colombians. I hope that one of these days we can finally shake off this ugly stigma.
 
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Do all airports have xray security through for all employees no matters what positions jobs are at airport access? How did employees carry drugs and place into plane without notice anyone else?

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Re: Repairs uncover cocaine worth $434K in AA nose gear

Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:46 pm

I would guess the initial story could be a little misleading. The say the nose wheel area. If it is a 757, as you can see from the picture there is nowhere to hide all that. Now If it was in the tunnel area just outboard of the nosewheel compartment I would believe it. That area can be accessed from the electronics bay right aft of the wheel area. Those bricks could have been sitting there for weeks. There is very little reason to crawl up into those areas very often and would not been seen from the electronics compartment. The door of the compartment is sealed for international security checks, but I bet most smugglers have a way around that. Those checks are only as good as the people doing them.
 
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Re: Repairs uncover cocaine worth $434K in AA nose gear

Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:03 pm

Dalmd88 wrote:
Those bricks could have been sitting there for weeks


Very true... I wonder why the cocaine was never retrieved? Obviously somebody who would have access to the aircraft would have been the initial recipient. Why didn't that person collect? Were too many people around? Was the employee unexpectedly absent from work, or assigned to something else? How many times was this done before it was screwed up? I would imagine many times.

Q wrote:
Do all airports have xray security through for all employees no matters what positions jobs are at airport access? How did employees carry drugs and place into plane without notice anyone else?


Security is only as good as the people who perform the checks.

peterinlisbon wrote:
Maybe they were hoping it would drop out when the plane put it's gear down approaching Miami, and they would be there with boats ready to pick it up. Maybe they've been doing this for years!


I don't see that working well. Without something to make it float and to mark it in the water it would be close to impossible to find it, even if you were fairly close and saw it hit the water.

wn676 wrote:
SDQ has a fairly recent history of drug trafficking involving airline employees.

I remember hearing about something going on at DTW several years ago. I think ATL had some smuggling going on too.

Flighty wrote:
Colombia does not deserve any stigma, the USA does. We cause this problem and should apologize for the harms caused.

Cocaine and other narcotics are used across the globe. The US may be an important customer, but hardly the only customer.

bzcat wrote:
I wonder what caused the plane to be flagged for maintenance? It obviously left MIA in a hurry before someone can remove the bricks of cocaine.

Maybe it wasn't going to MIA... Maybe TUL was the final destination. I am sure plenty of people snort coke in Oklahoma and the surrounding states. Maybe it was just the wrong guy at TUL that found it.
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ORDJOE wrote:
Chemist wrote:
Flighty wrote:

There is plenty of demand for this stuff in countries other than the US and I would say it is certainly a failure in terms of security on both countries. And capitalism is attributed to our Scottish friends originally through Adam Smiths book The Wealth of Nations

I am surprised this can fit in the wheel well as 31#s would be about the size of 15 sacks of flour or sugar you see in US grocery stores. Surprised still the underestimated the street value of this find, usually on the news the cops love to attribute these rediculously high values of drugs confinscated. If anything 31 pounds could probably fetch street prices of close of $800k


A gram of coke in major US cities typically goes for about $80 (don't ask), and it's already usually cut with other materials by the time it gets to the end consumer. If this was pure coke from Colombia, then 453 grams in a pound x 31 pounds = 14,043 grams. 14,043 grams x $80 = $1.12 million. That's probably worth more than the cruddy old 757 itself! :P
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falstaff wrote:
wn676 wrote:
SDQ has a fairly recent history of drug trafficking involving airline employees.

I remember hearing about something going on at DTW several years ago. I think ATL had some smuggling going on too.


They busted a couple of agents at PHL as well who were helping to bring stuff in from the D.R.; I think it was around 3 years ago.
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