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LO to lease 3x 787-9 for longhaul expansion

Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:25 pm

Polish media outlets are reporting that Lot Polish Airlines will lease three 787-9 aircraft, these will be sourced from ACG. The first one will be delivered in spring of 2018.

Aircraft will be used mostly on the transatlantic routes to New York, Chicago and Toronto, while other Dreamliners will be reassigned to service planned further increase of flights to Asian destinations (ICN and NRT were named specifically).

With two 787-8s scheduled for delivery this year included, Lot's widebody fleet will increase to 11 aircraft.
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Re: LO to lease 3x 787-9 for longhaul expansion

Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:22 pm

Hopefully they will add Detroit soon
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Re: LO to lease 3x 787-9 for longhaul expansion

Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:35 pm

With the opening of KRK-ORD, I wonder if LOT will open a small hub there. Ive been to Krakow two monthes ago, and this lovely city is way underserved.
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Re: LO to lease 3x 787-9 for longhaul expansion

Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:46 pm

Interesting news. I'm looking forward to seeing the B787-9 in LO colours!
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Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:51 pm

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With the opening of KRK-ORD, I wonder if LOT will open a small hub there. Ive been to Krakow two monthes ago, and this lovely city is way underserved.



Wasn't Krakow a former hub for LOT?
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Re: LO to lease 3x 787-9 for longhaul expansion

Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:53 pm

Are these 3 787-9s part of the aviation capital group 787-9 order for 5 planes or are we expecting a new order? ACG doesn't have that many 787s on order.
 
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Re: LO to lease 3x 787-9 for longhaul expansion

Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:53 pm

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Hopefully they will add Detroit soon
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Re: LO to lease 3x 787-9 for longhaul expansion

Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:17 pm

jakubz wrote:
usflyer123 wrote:
Wasn't Krakow a former hub for LOT?

More like a small focus city - with some direct flights to (among others) CDG, ATH, FCO. I'm not aware of LO having other hubs than WAW.
 
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Re: LO to lease 3x 787-9 for longhaul expansion

Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:43 pm

konkret wrote:
jakubz wrote:
usflyer123 wrote:
Wasn't Krakow a former hub for LOT?

More like a small focus city - with some direct flights to (among others) CDG, ATH, FCO. I'm not aware of LO having other hubs than WAW.


Also VIE, FRA, LHR and TLV in addition to ORD year-round and JFK/EWR seasonal a few times a week.

Roughly 5 years ago, LOT stopped all non-hub flying outside Warsaw. Currently, the only exception is Krakow-Gdansk and the new year-round KRK-ORD starting 1x weekly in July. My guess is that they are testing the waters and next summer season the flight will be 3x/weekly.
 
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Re: LO to lease 3x 787-9 for longhaul expansion

Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:44 pm

konkret wrote:
jakubz wrote:
usflyer123 wrote:
Wasn't Krakow a former hub for LOT?

More like a small focus city - with some direct flights to (among others) CDG, ATH, FCO. I'm not aware of LO having other hubs than WAW.

LOT also use to operate intercontinental flights there. The had ORD (which they are now restarting), JFK, EWR, and I think maybe YYZ at one point or another. Not all the flights were daily or year round though.

LO wasn't really operating a "hub" though- the flights were for the KRK local market.
 
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Re: LO to lease 3x 787-9 for longhaul expansion

Tue Jan 31, 2017 4:04 pm

Good for them, I just hope that all their expansion will go well. Not easy to be a small stand alone carrier in Europe with the other EU3 being so much larger and having more resources. Nevertheless, I am looking forward to see them at LAX in a couple of months.
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Re: LO to lease 3x 787-9 for longhaul expansion

Tue Jan 31, 2017 4:15 pm

Always great to see carriers like LOT with methodical growth, bc placing a crippling large order. Nice to see the addition of 789s.
 
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Re: LO to lease 3x 787-9 for longhaul expansion

Tue Jan 31, 2017 4:23 pm

New York makes sense since metal is being leased in to cover expansion in 2Q17 from EuroAtlantic. I hope that LO introduces a premium economy product in 2-3-2.
 
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Re: LO to lease 3x 787-9 for longhaul expansion

Tue Jan 31, 2017 4:29 pm

usflyer123 wrote:
With the opening of KRK-ORD, I wonder if LOT will open a small hub there. Ive been to Krakow two monthes ago, and this lovely city is way underserved.


There isn't any market for hub opening at Kraków. Market is well served by ever-expanding Ryanair base there.
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Re: LO to lease 3x 787-9 for longhaul expansion

Tue Jan 31, 2017 4:33 pm

aemoreira1981 wrote:
I hope that LO introduces a premium economy product in 2-3-2.


LOT introduced premium economy 4 years ago.
 
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Re: LO to lease 3x 787-9 for longhaul expansion

Tue Jan 31, 2017 4:47 pm

Can we expect to see EWR-RZE flights again? I remember there was an article about resuming this service a long time ago, but no news since then.

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Re: LO to lease 3x 787-9 for longhaul expansion

Tue Jan 31, 2017 6:20 pm

LOT also has options for a further 6 787's of either the 8 or 9 variant, on-top of these aircraft. So there is a potential for 17 787's in the fleet sometime inn the future, if these options are exercised!

I doubt Krakow will ever become a hub/base again for LOT, as that means providing short haul feeder flights, and the likes of Ryanair has quite a large route network from their now, and Katowice about one hour down the road is a significant base for Wizzair with flights across Europe and the Middle East.
 
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Re: LO to lease 3x 787-9 for longhaul expansion

Tue Jan 31, 2017 6:25 pm

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Hopefully they will add Detroit soon


I would say MIA, IAD, SFO and YUL have a much higher chance of getting LO's service to WAW soon.
 
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Re: LO to lease 3x 787-9 for longhaul expansion

Tue Jan 31, 2017 6:31 pm

Is there a business case for LO to consider WAW-BOS-WAW 3 or 4 times weekly?
 
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Re: LO to lease 3x 787-9 for longhaul expansion

Tue Jan 31, 2017 6:50 pm

konkret wrote:
klm617 wrote:
Hopefully they will add Detroit soon


I would say MIA, IAD, SFO and YUL have a much higher chance of getting LO's service to WAW soon.

I can see DTW before SFO and probably YUL (but unfamiliar with demographics in Canada).

LOT already seasonally flies to MIA I think as a charter.
 
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Tue Jan 31, 2017 6:55 pm

My uneducated guess is that BOS is lower than DTW on LO priority list.
 
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Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:05 pm

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I can see DTW before SFO


DTW and SFO would both have a fair share of VFR traffic, but I would say SFO has more business traffic plus SFO is a much more attractive destination for tourists from Poland and on top of that it would have some additional traffic from connections onto UA.
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Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:06 pm

konkret wrote:
klm617 wrote:
Hopefully they will add Detroit soon


I would say MIA, IAD, SFO and YUL have a much higher chance of getting LO's service to WAW soon.


I am surprised MIA does not have year round, scheduled non-stop flights to WAW.
 
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Re: LO to lease 3x 787-9 for longhaul expansion

Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:08 pm

konkret wrote:
Polot wrote:
I can see DTW before SFO


DTW and SFO would both have a fair share of VFR traffic, but I would say SFO would definitely have more business traffic plus SFO is a much attractive destination for tourists from Poland and on top of that it would have some traffic from connections onto UA.


The recently announced LAX flight was intended for SFO but preferred times could not be accommodated so the flight went to LAX. Nothing has changed at SFO so I wouldn't expect to see anything soon...
 
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Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:17 pm

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The recently announced LAX flight was intended for SFO but preferred times could not be accommodated so the flight went to LAX. Nothing has changed at SFO so I wouldn't expect to see anything soon...


Interesting. Do you have a source?
 
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Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:02 pm

B752OS wrote:
konkret wrote:
klm617 wrote:
Hopefully they will add Detroit soon


I would say MIA, IAD, SFO and YUL have a much higher chance of getting LO's service to WAW soon.


I am surprised MIA does not have year round, scheduled non-stop flights to WAW.

I don't think LOT has the spare aircraft capacity at the moment. Seeing MIA go scheduled then eventually year round in the future when they have more 787s wouldn't be a total shocker.
 
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Re: LO to lease 3x 787-9 for longhaul expansion

Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:42 pm

A transit between Detroit and Warsaw, in my opinion, is very imminent. Detroit still holds the third largest Polish population in the United States behind New York City Metropolitan and Chicago Metropolitan. A 787 can easily work with the VFR traffic, and some business. Another thing LOT can easily provide is easy transit to inner Poland cities, the Polish that seem to travel a lot go to Rzeszów, Łódź, and Kraków on top of Warsaw.
 
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Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:48 pm

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I don't think LOT has the spare aircraft capacity at the moment.

IIRC they are leasing a 767 in order to resume EWR flights. I wonder what sort of paint scheme it will wear.
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Tue Jan 31, 2017 10:59 pm

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IIRC they are leasing a 767 in order to resume EWR flights. I wonder what sort of paint scheme it will wear.


Don't know about the paint scheme but LOT published photos of the interior:
http://www.lot.com/pl/pl/boeing-767

Business class will feature angle flat seats in 2-2-2 layout, economy will be 2-4-2, premium economy will not be available.
 
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Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:52 pm

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A transit between Detroit and Warsaw, in my opinion, is very imminent. Detroit still holds the third largest Polish population in the United States behind New York City Metropolitan and Chicago Metropolitan. A 787 can easily work with the VFR traffic, and some business. Another thing LOT can easily provide is easy transit to inner Poland cities, the Polish that seem to travel a lot go to Rzeszów, Łódź, and Kraków on top of Warsaw.


I hope so I know it is on the WCAA's wish list let see if they have what it takes to pull it off. I think Lufthansa might be on of the things that may be standing in the way of this route happening as they are both Star Alliance airlines and LH carries a lot of Polish traffic out of Detroit and may not want to give up this revenue to LOT
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konkret wrote:
Polot wrote:
I can see DTW before SFO


DTW and SFO would both have a fair share of VFR traffic, but I would say SFO has more business traffic plus SFO is a much more attractive destination for tourists from Poland and on top of that it would have some additional traffic from connections onto UA.


Why would you think SFO has more business connections to Poland than the Detroit metro area. There are thousends of Polish owned business in South Eastern Michigan.
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Why would you think SFO has more business connections to Poland than the Detroit metro area. There are thousends of Polish owned business in South Eastern Michigan.


How many of those "thousands of Polish owned business" do any business in Poland, have offices or factories there, or even closely cooperate with Polish companies?
 
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konkret wrote:
mke717spotter wrote:
IIRC they are leasing a 767 in order to resume EWR flights. I wonder what sort of paint scheme it will wear.


Don't know about the paint scheme but LOT published photos of the interior:
http://www.lot.com/pl/pl/boeing-767

Business class will feature angle flat seats in 2-2-2 layout, economy will be 2-4-2, premium economy will not be available.


I'm not sure what the text says, but the pictures are a bit inconsistent looking and shows both 2-4-2 photos as well as a 3-piece section of economy seating. I would be a bit surprised if it were not 2-3-2 but as a leased frame it's hard to say.
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LOT 787s have the same premium economy seat that Norwegian has except for different seat covers and slightly different leg rests.
 
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Wed Feb 01, 2017 1:00 am

Great to see LOT Polish continuing to grow.

1. I wonder how much more expansion they can do before space starts to become somewhat of an issue at the Warsaw terminal.

2. I wonder how their foray into the "cheap travel market" has been working out for them.

3. I would not be surprised to see more charter flying with the 787 and wonder if some future destinations may include Shanghai, Hong Kong. Washington Dulles wouldn't be a surprise, Montreal would be a nice surprise.

4. I guess Warsaw-Detroit on LOT is the new "when will Southwest start Cincinnati?"
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usflyer123 wrote:
With the opening of KRK-ORD, I wonder if LOT will open a small hub there.


I see it hardly possible. Krakow is limited by runway - it's TODA is 2550m, and since the airport is still operated (partially) by military, there are some law-based limits on building new/expanding existing runway. To add some more, the main direction (25) is a bit uphill, by 3m over threshold to threshold legth. 767 were quite payload limited when departing from Krakow to ORD.

For details, check http://www.krakowairport.pl/data/upload ... balice.pdf - it's dated 2013, but runway data are still valid.

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Re: LO to lease 3x 787-9 for longhaul expansion

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Didn't they plan to fly to Vietnam? Would love to test them as an alternative...
 
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N14AZ wrote:
Didn't they plan to fly to Vietnam? Would love to test them as an alternative...


They did fly to HAN, as much as I would love to see them return to this lovely city the general notion was that the yields were trash and LO found it hard to fill the front of the cabin. Maybe now, with 787, the route would be sustainable.
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Another thing LOT can easily provide is easy transit to inner Poland cities, the Polish that seem to travel a lot go to Rzeszów, Łódź, and Kraków on top of Warsaw.

Which they do to most major cities, but not Łódź, it's far too close to Warsaw. For a time they operated a Bus&Fly connection from there and a few other cities, but that seems to have ended last summer.

stlgph wrote:
Great to see LOT Polish continuing to grow.

1. I wonder how much more expansion they can do before space starts to become somewhat of an issue at the Warsaw terminal.

2. I wonder how their foray into the "cheap travel market" has been working out for them.

3. I would not be surprised to see more charter flying with the 787 and wonder if some future destinations may include Shanghai, Hong Kong. Washington Dulles wouldn't be a surprise, Montreal would be a nice surprise.

4. I guess Warsaw-Detroit on LOT is the new "when will Southwest start Cincinnati?"


1. There's already discussion of potential expansion of WAW or WMI, or construction of an entirely new airport somewhere further southwest of the current location.
2. Not sure specifically what you mean, but they're finally making an operational profit, so something seems to be going right.
3. Shanghai and Szenzhen have been mentioned, as has Dulles. Montreal is a former destination, so there's some potential presumably.
Confirmed new destinations are Los Angeles, Astana, Kiev-Zhuliany, Zielona Góra, Pula, Podgorica, Newark and Tehran (or at least they're currently hiring a station agent for Tehran, so it's a good bet).
4. Haven't heard any mention of Detroit lately, apparently there was the odd charter back in the day.
 
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klm617 wrote:

Why would you think SFO has more business connections to Poland than the Detroit metro area. There are thousends of Polish owned business in South Eastern Michigan.


How many of those "thousands of Polish owned business" do any business in Poland, have offices or factories there, or even closely cooperate with Polish companies?



And what business ties could San Francisco have with Poland. I would think that the third largest concentration of Polish people in the United States would have more business ties to their homeland than say San Francisco.
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thesaladdays wrote:
thedetroitpole wrote:
Another thing LOT can easily provide is easy transit to inner Poland cities, the Polish that seem to travel a lot go to Rzeszów, Łódź, and Kraków on top of Warsaw.

Which they do to most major cities, but not Łódź, it's far too close to Warsaw. For a time they operated a Bus&Fly connection from there and a few other cities, but that seems to have ended last summer.

stlgph wrote:
Great to see LOT Polish continuing to grow.

1. I wonder how much more expansion they can do before space starts to become somewhat of an issue at the Warsaw terminal.

2. I wonder how their foray into the "cheap travel market" has been working out for them.

3. I would not be surprised to see more charter flying with the 787 and wonder if some future destinations may include Shanghai, Hong Kong. Washington Dulles wouldn't be a surprise, Montreal would be a nice surprise.

4. I guess Warsaw-Detroit on LOT is the new "when will Southwest start Cincinnati?"


1. There's already discussion of potential expansion of WAW or WMI, or construction of an entirely new airport somewhere further southwest of the current location.
2. Not sure specifically what you mean, but they're finally making an operational profit, so something seems to be going right.
3. Shanghai and Szenzhen have been mentioned, as has Dulles. Montreal is a former destination, so there's some potential presumably.
Confirmed new destinations are Los Angeles, Astana, Kiev-Zhuliany, Zielona Góra, Pula, Podgorica, Newark and Tehran (or at least they're currently hiring a station agent for Tehran, so it's a good bet).
4. Haven't heard any mention of Detroit lately, apparently there was the odd charter back in the day.



Seems like a waste to not just expand the current WAW terminal. The WAW terminal is rather new and is pretty nice as it is now, it just needs to be bigger and if they want to funnel more international folks through there connecting to other flights using WAW as a hub, they need to add a few more lanes for passports.

LOT going into cheap travel -- they are routinely offering $400/$500 roundtrip airfares between their point cities in North America to places throughout Europe, mainly eastern but also with western, competing with the likes of Turkish Airlines, Aeroflot, etc.

I've done it twice going to Budapest. Ran into tons of non-Polish USA folks on my flights coming and going through WAW and then connecting back to say London, Paris or Amsterdam, etc., all paying roughly $500 or less roundtrip with taxes for their airfares.
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And what business ties could San Francisco have with Poland. I would think that the third largest concentration of Polish people in the United States would have more business ties to their homeland than say San Francisco.


You seem to completely miss the point. "third largest concentration of Polish people" is a source of VFR traffic, not business traffic.

To name just a couple of companies located in Bay Area which have a noticeable presence on the Polish market: BAE Systems, Lockheed Martin, Häagen-Dazs, Apple, Cisco, Netgear, Hewlett Packard, Logitech, LSI, San Disk, Segate, Adobe, Oracle, GoPro, Netflix, Visa, Airbnb, eBay, Google, Uber, Yelp.
 
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Wed Feb 01, 2017 5:24 pm

stlgph wrote:
Seems like a waste to not just expand the current WAW terminal. The WAW terminal is rather new and is pretty nice as it is now, it just needs to be bigger and if they want to funnel more international folks through there connecting to other flights using WAW as a hub, they need to add a few more lanes for passports.


Correct, but since it's a mid-city airport, with a brand-new highway built around the airport 2 years ago, they're somewhat limited.

1. Terminal - both terminals are planned for 22 millions, from what I remember. Currently it's nearing 13 mln, so at least 5 years of growth can be acomodated.
2. Gates - that's where fun starts. E size gates (for long hauls) for NS (Non-Schengen) is limited. Currently the airport serves LOT Polish (7*787, flights daily differ depending on charters and/or occasional short-haul like LHR), Emirates (777 one daily), Qatar (332 daily), Air China (332 - 4 weekly IIRC). It already happens to have a widebody on remote stand, and since LOT will receive 4 more 787s in the next 2 years, NS NEEDS new gates. There were plans to expand, but it seems nothing starts until decision mentioned above is made (invest in WAW/WMI, or build a new airport from scratch).
3. Runways - in short term it's not a problem, however WAW has two crossing runways. This limits operations in the sector, and seems there are times over day when they hit the max target. Of course, we might be seeing larger airplanes, if the business case is there to add extra seats. If not, limits will come soon. And again, no easy solution (planned parallel rwy, 33L, is no longer easy solution due to highways built to the south of airport).

That's why there's a discussion whether to try to balance duoport WAW/WMI (currently, only RYR serves Warsaw from WMI), or go for a new one in the field. The hard part, is no one expects decision soon, and especially problem no 2 is already there and limiting.

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I doubt Krakow will ever become a hub/base again for LOT, as that means providing short haul feeder flights, and the likes of Ryanair has quite a large route network from their now,


Today Ryanair announced 14 new routes from Cracow.
 
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konkret wrote:
klm617 wrote:
And what business ties could San Francisco have with Poland. I would think that the third largest concentration of Polish people in the United States would have more business ties to their homeland than say San Francisco.


You seem to completely miss the point. "third largest concentration of Polish people" is a source of VFR traffic, not business traffic.

To name just a couple of companies located in Bay Area which have a noticeable presence on the Polish market: BAE Systems, Lockheed Martin, Häagen-Dazs, Apple, Cisco, Netgear, Hewlett Packard, Logitech, LSI, San Disk, Segate, Adobe, Oracle, GoPro, Netflix, Visa, Airbnb, eBay, Google, Uber, Yelp.



Just because those companies are located in San Francisco doesn't mean there is corporate between SFO and Poland do those companies have actual faculties in Poland. There is no real reason for people of those companies to travel to Poland everything can be done over the internet. There are plenty of companies located in south eastern Michigan that have a presence in Poland to to justify flights from Detroit to Poland.
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Re: LO to lease 3x 787-9 for longhaul expansion

Thu Feb 02, 2017 3:13 am

DTW to the world with no alliances! If VS can't make ORD-LHR with seasonal traffic (and premium traffic), why would DTW-WAW with lower margin succeed?
 
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Re: LO to lease 3x 787-9 for longhaul expansion

Thu Feb 02, 2017 3:13 am

DTW to the world with no alliances! If VS can't make ORD-LHR with seasonal traffic (and premium traffic), why would DTW-WAW with lower margin succeed?
 
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Re: LO to lease 3x 787-9 for longhaul expansion

Thu Feb 02, 2017 3:14 am

DTW lovers can't face reality. DTW-WAW is more profitable than ORD-LHR?
 
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Re: LO to lease 3x 787-9 for longhaul expansion

Thu Feb 02, 2017 4:07 am

globalcabotage wrote:
DTW lovers can't face reality. DTW-WAW is more profitable than ORD-LHR?
I have no clue what your issue with DTW is, but it obviously has been displayed in 4 of your previous postings.
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Re: LO to lease 3x 787-9 for longhaul expansion

Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:20 am

globalcabotage wrote:
DTW lovers can't face reality. DTW-WAW is more profitable than ORD-LHR?


You fail to recognize that ORD-LHR has how many seats per day? Sure it may have significantly greater demand or higher yields, but when you fragment that up amongst all of the daily flights, profits will run rather thin. DTW-WAW has no such issues, not to mention far less competition to Europe. I'm not saying if it will work or not, I have no idea, I certainly don't have access to the required information to make that sort of judgement. Long story short, just look at the big picture.

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