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What routes did SQ's A343s fly?

Sat Feb 04, 2017 2:49 pm

I know they didn't have them for very long, but what destinations and routes did the A343 fly on for SQ?

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Re: What routes did SQ's A343s fly?

Sat Feb 04, 2017 2:58 pm

I remember taking a SQ flight PER-SIN on A343 back in 2001
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Re: What routes did SQ's A343s fly?

Sat Feb 04, 2017 3:11 pm

I flew FCO-SIN and SIN-ICN (flight continued onward to SFO) on the SQ 343 in 2001.

Other routes I recall are SIN-ICN-YVR and SIN-IST.
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Re: What routes did SQ's A343s fly?

Sat Feb 04, 2017 3:42 pm

They flew many of the SIN-Europe routes, includes SIN-FCO, SIN-ATH, and SIN-CDG.
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Re: What routes did SQ's A343s fly?

Sat Feb 04, 2017 8:04 pm

Flew them from CAI to SIN in 1998
 
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Sun Feb 05, 2017 12:14 am

They bought them specifically to do SIN-CDG and pushed Airbus for the 275t version in order to do that. That was the mission that the MD-11 couldn't do, which is why SQ canceled their order and went with the 340. Airbus initially struggled to make the range guarantee, but was able to sort it out by 1996.
 
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Re: What routes did SQ's A343s fly?

Sun Feb 05, 2017 12:50 am

They flew SIN-CHC for a few years until 2003. They did some AKL charters aswell never regularly scheduled though.
 
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Re: What routes did SQ's A343s fly?

Sun Feb 05, 2017 12:58 am

MrHMSH wrote:
I know they didn't have them for very long, but what destinations and routes did the A343 fly on for SQ?

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they operated the SIN-CPH-SIN route for a few years as well
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Re: What routes did SQ's A343s fly?

Sun Feb 05, 2017 1:06 am

I was on the a343 from Singapore to Adelaide between Christmas 2000 and January 2001 return. Have no idea when they were retired.
 
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Re: What routes did SQ's A343s fly?

Sun Feb 05, 2017 2:19 am

Quick check on airliners photo and airfleet for SQ A343 route:
Europe: ATH, CDG, VIE, CPH, AMS
North Asia: PEK, NGO, TPE, HKG
SEA: BKK, DPS, BWN
Australia: PER, BNE, MEL, SYD, ADL
New Zealand: CHC
North America: YVR, SFO
So they are doing the exact same job as the current 777 families
 
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Re: What routes did SQ's A343s fly?

Sun Feb 05, 2017 3:07 am

Flew the SQ A340 in 2001 SIN-KHI (via LHE). Got to SIN from LAX via NRT on the 744. On the way back KHI-SIN-ICN-YVR on the A340.
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Re: What routes did SQ's A343s fly?

Sun Feb 05, 2017 2:01 pm

LH707330 wrote:
They bought them specifically to do SIN-CDG and pushed Airbus for the 275t version in order to do that. That was the mission that the MD-11 couldn't do, which is why SQ canceled their order and went with the 340. Airbus initially struggled to make the range guarantee, but was able to sort it out by 1996.

Not just SIN-CDG but IIRC, also HKG-SFO.
And to be fair the range guarantee wasn't really Airbus' fault. It was the fact that IAE couldn't deliver the V2500 SuperFan.
 
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Re: What routes did SQ's A343s fly?

Sun Feb 05, 2017 2:08 pm

How many A340-300's did SQ operate? What was the config like?
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Re: What routes did SQ's A343s fly?

Sun Feb 05, 2017 5:58 pm

They did Karachi and Lahore too with triangular routing.
 
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Re: What routes did SQ's A343s fly?

Sun Feb 05, 2017 7:22 pm

airbazar wrote:
LH707330 wrote:
They bought them specifically to do SIN-CDG and pushed Airbus for the 275t version in order to do that. That was the mission that the MD-11 couldn't do, which is why SQ canceled their order and went with the 340. Airbus initially struggled to make the range guarantee, but was able to sort it out by 1996.

Not just SIN-CDG but IIRC, also HKG-SFO.
And to be fair the range guarantee wasn't really Airbus' fault. It was the fact that IAE couldn't deliver the V2500 SuperFan.

In the SQ case, it was on Airbus. The Superfan was canceled in April 1987, and the SQ deal was inked in 1991 before flight testing, long after the CFM56-5C was adopted. The reason Airbus got into hot water was because of the flutter and pylon issues, which they fixed with the plastron on the outboard pylons. The reason that the delivery to SQ was late is that some of their beefed-up components were late, which pushed the overall timeline by a few months, but they met spec at SQ EIS.
 
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Sun Feb 05, 2017 9:47 pm

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Re: What routes did SQ's A343s fly?

Sun Feb 05, 2017 10:49 pm

I flew 10 times on SIA A340-300 fram CPH to SIN. I still miss the beautifull plane. The A340's were replaced with 777-200's on the CPH route. Before the A340 CPH was served by the 747-400. The 744 did not fly nonstop between CHP and SIN, they stopped in ZRH or CDG.

Do anybody know if SIA is putting the A350 on the CPH route?
 
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Re: What routes did SQ's A343s fly?

Sun Feb 05, 2017 11:48 pm

So medium to long routes, that were rather thin?
 
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Re: What routes did SQ's A343s fly?

Mon Feb 06, 2017 3:38 am

Is there a seat map for the SQ 343?
 
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Re: What routes did SQ's A343s fly?

Mon Feb 06, 2017 3:46 am

CGK. I flew an A343 flight from SIN to CGK in 2000.
SQ also used its A345s for SIN-CGK-SIN route. The Y+ seats were sold as regular Y with regular Y fare.
 
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Re: What routes did SQ's A343s fly?

Mon Feb 06, 2017 4:33 am

smi0006 wrote:
So medium to long routes, that were rather thin?

Yep, that's what the bird was designed for, after all.
 
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Re: What routes did SQ's A343s fly?

Mon Feb 06, 2017 5:41 am

One note for Singapore Airlines A340-313X, they were purchased in lieu of McDonnell Douglas's MD-11 which missed its range and fuel burn performance by large margin. Singapore Airlines placed an order for 20 MD-11 (comprising of 5 firm plus 15 options) on 16/JAN/1990, hoping to use MD-11 on long, thin route like CDG, ZRH, RME, CHC, YVR, AMS, VIE, NGO and ATH where the B747 was deemed too large. Some of these routes are now being serviced by B777-200ER with regional products.

In addition, A343 was used to complement B747 services to high demand routes like PEK, HKG, MEL, SYD, BKK. On occasion, it was used for charter like BWN was largely due to Singapore Army training in Brunei and upgrade during Chinese New Year/ year End holiday.
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Re: What routes did SQ's A343s fly?

Mon Feb 06, 2017 5:45 am

I remember flying the SIN-HKG-SFO sectors on these 343s
 
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Re: What routes did SQ's A343s fly?

Mon Feb 06, 2017 6:27 am

PayaLebar wrote:
Is there a seat map for the SQ 343?

Need a bit time digging for this, but the configuration was F10 J30 Y225
2-1-2 F class- 2 rows
2-2-2 J class- 5 rows
2-4-2 Y class- approximately 28 rows split between two cabins.
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Re: What routes did SQ's A343s fly?

Mon Feb 06, 2017 6:42 am

I remember back in 2001 when I took their A343's from BKK to SIN.
 
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Re: What routes did SQ's A343s fly?

Mon Feb 06, 2017 7:46 am

I flew BKK-SIN in the jump seat on the SQ A343
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Re: What routes did SQ's A343s fly?

Mon Feb 06, 2017 8:00 am

I flew SIN-DPS back in 2000
 
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Re: What routes did SQ's A343s fly?

Mon Feb 06, 2017 8:46 am

juliuswong wrote:
One note for Singapore Airlines A340-313X, they were purchased in lieu of McDonnell Douglas's MD-11 which missed its range and fuel burn performance by large margin. Singapore Airlines placed an order for 20 MD-11 (comprising of 5 firm plus 15 options) on 16/JAN/1990, hoping to use MD-11 on long, thin route like CDG, ZRH, RME, CHC, YVR, AMS, VIE, NGO and ATH where the B747 was deemed too large. Some of these routes are now being serviced by B777-200ER with regional products.

In addition, A343 was used to complement B747 services to high demand routes like PEK, HKG, MEL, SYD, BKK. On occasion, it was used for charter like BWN was largely due to Singapore Army training in Brunei and upgrade during Chinese New Year/ year End holiday.


Not to off topic but all those routes you mentioned that are still served YVR, VIE aren't while ATH is seasonal. NGO is the only regional port that would ever have been served regularly by the 772 Regional config.

Interesting how routes like CDG and ZRH have grown to now have daily A380 service.
 
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Re: What routes did SQ's A343s fly?

Mon Feb 06, 2017 8:57 am

I flew one on SIN-BKK flight, I am quite certain that it is actually SIN-KIX with BKK stop over
 
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Re: What routes did SQ's A343s fly?

Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:28 am

juliuswong wrote:
PayaLebar wrote:
Is there a seat map for the SQ 343?

Need a bit time digging for this, but the configuration was F10 J30 Y225
2-1-2 F class- 2 rows
2-2-2 J class- 5 rows
2-4-2 Y class- approximately 28 rows split between two cabins.


Thanks!
 
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Mon Feb 06, 2017 1:54 pm

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airbazar wrote:
LH707330 wrote:
They bought them specifically to do SIN-CDG and pushed Airbus for the 275t version in order to do that. That was the mission that the MD-11 couldn't do, which is why SQ canceled their order and went with the 340. Airbus initially struggled to make the range guarantee, but was able to sort it out by 1996.

Not just SIN-CDG but IIRC, also HKG-SFO.
And to be fair the range guarantee wasn't really Airbus' fault. It was the fact that IAE couldn't deliver the V2500 SuperFan.

In the SQ case, it was on Airbus. The Superfan was canceled in April 1987, and the SQ deal was inked in 1991 before flight testing, long after the CFM56-5C was adopted. The reason Airbus got into hot water was because of the flutter and pylon issues, which they fixed with the plastron on the outboard pylons. The reason that the delivery to SQ was late is that some of their beefed-up components were late, which pushed the overall timeline by a few months, but they met spec at SQ EIS.

Thanks for the information. That's really interesting stuff.
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Interesting how routes like CDG and ZRH have grown to now have daily A380 service.

ZRH and CDG used to be 2x daily before changing to 1x daily with the A380. So I wouldn't say that they've grown.

The A340 allowed SQ to fly to European destinations non-stop which used to be flown as a triangle or tag-on, either because of range issues or because the 747 was simply too large of a plane, or both.
 
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Re: What routes did SQ's A343s fly?

Mon Feb 06, 2017 2:00 pm

Thank you all for your informative replies, it's no surprise that the profile is largely 772/77E routes, but I am surprised at the depth of the network, I didn't realise it flew so many important routes.
 
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Mon Feb 06, 2017 2:25 pm

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Thank you all for your informative replies, it's no surprise that the profile is largely 772/77E routes, but I am surprised at the depth of the network, I didn't realise it flew so many important routes.

You are welcome. In local Singapore aviation community, these 772/77E routes are known as "less glamorous route", serviced by dated products instead of brand new ones.
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Mon Feb 06, 2017 3:21 pm

juliuswong wrote:
MrHMSH wrote:
Thank you all for your informative replies, it's no surprise that the profile is largely 772/77E routes, but I am surprised at the depth of the network, I didn't realise it flew so many important routes.

You are welcome. In local Singapore aviation community, these 772/77E routes are known as "less glamorous route", serviced by dated products instead of brand new ones.



Before the A380s and 77Ws came along with new products I always used to think that the 772s/Es were really comfortable in economy, in some ways I preferred them to the 744s. I used to fly between BWN and SIN a lot (on A310s and 772s), as well as SIN and LHR on 744s, but also occasionally flew to Oz. Looking at the routes that the A343 flew on there's a good possibility that I flew on them before, but I don't remember and neither do my parents, although they commented on how new the planes were in 1997 flying SIN-PER.
 
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Tue Feb 07, 2017 6:17 am

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Thanks for the information. That's really interesting stuff.

The A340 allowed SQ to fly to European destinations non-stop which used to be flown as a triangle or tag-on, either because of range issues or because the 747 was simply too large of a plane, or both.

No problem. Much of it is in Norris and Wagner's book Airbus A340 and A330, very good read. Lots of good stuff about the Superfan fiasco and the design process.

Regarding the range, once the 275 ton 340 came along, it had better range than the 744, and was increasingly competitive on longer sectors due to its superior aerodynamics and optimization for long haul (like the long-duct nacelles, which cut drag by 1%).
 
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Tue Feb 07, 2017 7:33 am

Hello!

They also flew to VIE.
 
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Tue Feb 07, 2017 7:52 am

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Quick check on airliners photo and airfleet for SQ A343 route:
Europe: ATH, CDG, VIE, CPH, AMS
North Asia: PEK, NGO, TPE, HKG
SEA: BKK, DPS, BWN
Australia: PER, BNE, MEL, SYD, ADL
New Zealand: CHC
North America: YVR, SFO
So they are doing the exact same job as the current 777 families


Can't say I ever saw an SQ A343 here in Brisbane.
 
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Tue Feb 07, 2017 10:45 am

A quick Db search brought me:

Nagoya:
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Beijing:
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San Francisco:
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Paris:
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Vancouver:
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Perth:
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And several others...
 
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Tue Feb 07, 2017 11:51 am

In Aug 2001 I flew one on the shuttle KUL-SIN. I remember praying that there would be seats on SQ so we wouldn't end up on an MH 737!
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