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CX poised to have an all-widebody, all-twins passenger fleet. Who's else/next?

Sat Feb 04, 2017 5:16 pm

According to the piece "Cathay Pacific schedules last A340 service in April 2017" at Routes Online:
http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/271177/cathay-pacific-schedules-last-a340-service-in-april-2017/

CX will have a passenger fleet that will be both 100% widebody and 100% twins (A333, A359, B772, B773 and B773ER).

I know a good number of other carriers (Like AA, JL, MU, NH and SU currently and BR after 8/2017) have/will have a 100% twins passenger fleet, but all have a significant amount of narrowbody jets as well. So other than CX and Air Tahiti Nui after B789 delivery in 2019 (plus VS if they retire their A346 and decline to take delivery of the A380), can anyone think of a significant airline that is/will be both 100% widebody and 100% twins in the passenger fleet? Thanks!
 
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Sat Feb 04, 2017 5:24 pm

When they passed on the 748i and the A380, it was a given.
 
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Sat Feb 04, 2017 5:27 pm

CX have 'always' been big and wide only, the only 'news' is that they're getting rid of their old 4-holers. Just like (almost) every other airline is.
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Sat Feb 04, 2017 5:34 pm

Singapore Airlines seems likely unless Airbus actually creates the A380NEO. EK would be headed down a similar path.
 
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Sat Feb 04, 2017 5:40 pm

I'm not so sure EK/SQ are headed down that path, at least not for a while.

Singapore still has 5 more 380s on order and has given no indications of intent to cancel them (in fact, when they announced that they're not going to renew the lease of their first 380 later this year, they mentioned the orders set for delivery starting in 2018).

Emirates just has a ton of A380s. 93 with 50 on order. That's not going anywhere anytime soon, and they use theirs in the 500-600 seat configs, so it's unlikely the 777-9 will really replace many of them quickly.

I think Thai is actually most likely to go that way next, they are already planning to retire the 747 by 2020 and only have 6 total A380s in the fleet.
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Sat Feb 04, 2017 5:41 pm

Only narrow boady CX had in jet age was 707 back till the 80s
 
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Sat Feb 04, 2017 5:44 pm

A sad day.
 
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Sat Feb 04, 2017 5:57 pm

UA787DEN wrote:
I think Thai is actually most likely to go that way next, they are already planning to retire the 747 by 2020 and only have 6 total A380s in the fleet.


I think TG still has at least 1 B734. Unless it plans to move all narrowbody ops to Thai Smile, then it won't be 100% widebody.
 
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Sat Feb 04, 2017 6:16 pm

BR came to mind they have only 3 744s left - but I forgot about the A321s...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EVA_Air#Fleet

And if CI decides to drop its 737s to one of its regionals - they're well on the way....
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Re: CX poised to have an all-widebody, all-twins passenger fleet. Who's else/next?

Sat Feb 04, 2017 6:19 pm

CanadaFair wrote:
Only narrow boady CX had in jet age was 707 back till the 80s


Yes... Apart from the Convair 880s!
 
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Sat Feb 04, 2017 7:23 pm

Scoot only operates 777s and 787s. DU (Norwegian Long Haul) also technically qualifies... ;)
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Re: CX poised to have an all-widebody, all-twins passenger fleet. Who's else/next?

Sat Feb 04, 2017 7:43 pm

bmacleod wrote:
BR came to mind they have only 3 744s left - but I forgot about the A321s...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EVA_Air#Fleet

And if CI decides to drop its 737s to one of its regionals - they're well on the way....

I don't see them doing that. The only reason both BR and CI created regionals were to gain extra flying rights.
 
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Sat Feb 04, 2017 8:10 pm

Air Asia X(D7) only operate A330-300s making them wide-body twins only. Virgin Atlantic would be also once they retire the A340-600s and 747-400s, and I highly doubt that they'll ever take the A380s.

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Sat Feb 04, 2017 9:17 pm

SCAT15F wrote:
A sad day.

Indeed. Sad that it's taken this long. Should've gotten rid of them sooner.
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Sat Feb 04, 2017 9:50 pm

CanadaFair wrote:
Only narrow boady CX had in jet age was 707 back till the 80s


Not so Cathay also operated the Convair 880
 
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Sat Feb 04, 2017 10:13 pm

In 2019 Air Tahiti Nui will retire their A340s and replace them with 787-9s, so then they'll qualify too. They already got a wide body only fleet (all A340s), very little use for a narrow body in a place like Tahiti.
 
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Sat Feb 04, 2017 10:14 pm

SQ will eventually follow suit unless Airbus does indeed go ahead with an updated A380 which seems to be rather unlikely at the moment.
 
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Sat Feb 04, 2017 10:20 pm

Dynamic Airways is one as well, FWIW. Only other one I can think of
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Sun Feb 05, 2017 2:09 pm

RL777 wrote:
SQ will eventually follow suit unless Airbus does indeed go ahead with an updated A380 which seems to be rather unlikely at the moment.

It's funny, we assume that SQ will at some point in the distant future stop operating the A380 but no one ever suggests that they might start operating narrow-body aircraft :) With SilkAir and Tigerair being owned by Singapore Airlines, I don't see that day being too far away either.
 
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Sun Feb 05, 2017 6:07 pm

Did not know CX had Convairs, thanks.

SRQKEF wrote:
Scoot only operates 777s and 787s. DU (Norwegian Long Haul) also technically qualifies... ;)


Scoot stopped flying 777s a year ago.
 
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Sun Feb 05, 2017 6:12 pm

ahj2000 wrote:
Dynamic Airways is one as well, FWIW. Only other one I can think of


They and sister carrier Asia Atlantic are pretty weird though with only 767s (the same aircraft lessors majority-own both airlines). Dynamic only has 2 real routes though. But how has no one mentioned Scoot (SIA subsidiary)?
 
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Re: CX poised to have an all-widebody, all-twins passenger fleet. Who's else/next?

Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:01 pm

Corsair is widebody only: A332, A333, and B747 at the moment. As I understand it, the 3 remaining 747s will be replaced by A333s moving forward.

They serve a pretty niche market though, focusing on long-haul leisure travel from France to France-related destinations. Much easier to have a widebody-only fleet when your missions are relatively lacking in diversity.
 
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Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:20 pm

CX has always been widebody only other than CV 880 and 707 in the early days. They utilize KA on their narrowbody fleet nowadays.
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Tue Feb 07, 2017 8:10 am

Scoot definitely qualifies, but not for long as Tigerair will fold under TZ later this year.
 
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Tue Feb 07, 2017 9:20 am

CX poised to have an all-widebody, all-twins passenger fleet. Who's else/next?


Every airline not operating A380s 747's or A340s in the future,

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Re: CX poised to have an all-widebody, all-twins passenger fleet. Who's else/next?

Tue Feb 07, 2017 9:26 am

keesje wrote:

Every airline not operating A380s 747's or A340s in the future,



You are forgetting the "all-widebody" component of this discussion.
 
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Tue Feb 07, 2017 9:59 am

BartSimpson wrote:
keesje wrote:

Every airline not operating A380s 747's or A340s in the future,



You are forgetting the "all-widebody" component of this discussion.


I think leaving Dragon artificially out of the Cathay / Swire group makes little sense operationally.
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Tue Feb 07, 2017 11:34 am

B777LRF wrote:
CX have 'always' been big and wide only, the only 'news' is that they're getting rid of their old 4-holers. Just like (almost) every other airline is.


Yes, I remember back in the '80s when one of their marketing lines was "the only airline exclusively flying Rolls Royce powered wide-bodies"...
 
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Tue Feb 07, 2017 11:37 am

CX773W wrote:
UA787DEN wrote:
I think Thai is actually most likely to go that way next, they are already planning to retire the 747 by 2020 and only have 6 total A380s in the fleet.


I think TG still has at least 1 B734. Unless it plans to move all narrowbody ops to Thai Smile, then it won't be 100% widebody.


Yes they do. At least one. I saw it active last week @ BKK
 
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Tue Feb 07, 2017 12:07 pm

aemoreira1981 wrote:
But how has no one mentioned Scoot (SIA subsidiary)?


Already mentioned it, maybe read the thread first. ;)

Didn't know TZ retired the 777s already, good to know!
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Tue Feb 07, 2017 1:38 pm

CX773W wrote:
UA787DEN wrote:
I think Thai is actually most likely to go that way next, they are already planning to retire the 747 by 2020 and only have 6 total A380s in the fleet.


I think TG still has at least 1 B734. Unless it plans to move all narrowbody ops to Thai Smile, then it won't be 100% widebody.


Yes - saw the TG B734 at BKK a few days back, squeezed between a stack of Thai Smile A320's
 
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Re: CX poised to have an all-widebody, all-twins passenger fleet. Who's else/next?

Tue Feb 07, 2017 7:17 pm

If we define Air Air Caraïbes Atlantique,

https://www.aircaraibes.com/la-compagnie/la-flotte

Air Caraïbes Atlantique entreprise dédiée aux vols transatlantiques, est détentrice de la certification IOSA (IATA Operational Safety Audit) mondialement reconnue par l'industrie du transport aérien et délivrée par l'IATA (International Air Transport Association).


and then further section the ATR-fleet off by saying;

https://www.aircaraibes.com/la-compagnie/la-flotte

VOLS COURT ET MOYEN COURRIER (INTER-ILES)

Les ATR 72 de la compagnie sont opérés pour effectuer les navettes entre Pointe-à-Pitre et Fort-de-France, pour les vols entre Pointe-à-Pitre et Saint-Martin, Fort-de-France et Sainte-Lucie, mais également pour la desserte de routes plus longues vers Port-au-Prince et Saint-Domingue depuis Pointe-à-Pitre.


Then technically, Air Caraïbes Atlantique will be an all wide-body Airbus operator. A benefit is their ticker, on their main page - counting down the days before their A350 delivery!

Conversely - French Blue, BF - is already an all wide-body Airbus operator. It will continue to grow within the operations of Air Caraïbes Atlantique.

Of note, will be what AF comes up with for the new LCC-type operation that they are contemplating.
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Tue Feb 07, 2017 7:27 pm

With fuel being so low, I can't see it coming soon, but Corsair could be compelled to sell the 744s in future - which would keep their A330 fleet in place (and leave clean room for expansion to more A330CEOs, A330NEOs, or A350s). An A350 order would have seen decently capable, had the AirCaraibes Atlantique merger/buyout were allowed, however now - cutting the 747s (as/if fuel rises) and adding more A330CEOs seems prudent.
 
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Re: CX poised to have an all-widebody, all-twins passenger fleet. Who's else/next?

Tue Feb 07, 2017 7:50 pm

The number of carriers retiring 747s is TOO DAMN HIGH.
In an aviation enthusiast point of view... I wish we were still in the 90s...

Spanish leisure carrier Wamos Air might replace their 747s with A330-200 jets (talk about downgrade)... that would leave them with a single-type, twin jet, widebody-only fleet.
I wonder when people will understand:
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Re: CX poised to have an all-widebody, all-twins passenger fleet. Who's else/next?

Tue Feb 07, 2017 9:09 pm

leleko747 wrote:
The number of carriers retiring 747s is TOO DAMN HIGH.
In an aviation enthusiast point of view... I wish we were still in the 90s...

Spanish leisure carrier Wamos Air might replace their 747s with A330-200 jets (talk about downgrade)... that would leave them with a single-type, twin jet, widebody-only fleet.


Easier to fill an A332 than a B747.

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