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Re: Australian Aviation - February 2017

Mon Feb 20, 2017 10:53 pm

Look like a small plane crash at Essendon Airport.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victor ... f0e622a431

Not much to go on at the moment.

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Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:45 pm

You have to remember though that QF 25/26 is operating the virtual identical schedule to what the QF 21/22 did to NRT. While the aircraft utilisation maybe less than optimal, it has nearly always been the preferred QF operating times on the SYD/TYO services, NH simply followed suit to use the optimum timings for business travellers.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation - February 2017

Tue Feb 21, 2017 12:36 am

vheca wrote:
Look like a small plane crash at Essendon Airport.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victor ... f0e622a431

Not much to go on at the moment.

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The Hearld Sun is reporting that the plane was a twin-engined aircraft on a charter from Essendon to King Island. It is believed to have 5 on board. Also reporting that the pilot called in a mayday during take off or shortly thereafter and before crashing into the large factory outlet building.

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Re: Australian Aviation - February 2017

Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:25 am

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SQ to downgrade SQ217/218 SIN-MEL from A388 to A359 from 1 May to 30 June 17

https://www.ausbt.com.au/singapore-airl ... n-may-june


That is an "impressive" downgrade. Due to equipment availability or due to lack of demand, do we know?
 
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Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:33 am

That is an "impressive" downgrade. Due to equipment availability or due to lack of demand, do we know?


It will be part of the SQ A380 upgrade program. They are changing F & J classes so need to cycle aircraft into maintenance and as the A380 fleet is basically fully occupied, they have had to downgrade MEL over this period.
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Re: Australian Aviation - February 2017

Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:36 am

vheca wrote:
Look like a small plane crash at Essendon Airport.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victor ... f0e622a431

Not much to go on at the moment.

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Looks to be King Air VH-ZCR. The aircraft is completely incinerated just about, if anyone survives it will be a miracle. :(
 
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Re: Australian Aviation - February 2017

Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:43 am

QF to reveal 787-9 premium economy seat when first half results are announced on Thursday

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Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:02 am

MooLor wrote:
qf789 wrote:
SQ to downgrade SQ217/218 SIN-MEL from A388 to A359 from 1 May to 30 June 17

https://www.ausbt.com.au/singapore-airl ... n-may-june


That is an "impressive" downgrade. Due to equipment availability or due to lack of demand, do we know?


MEL is normally one of the first A380 destinations to get its A380's pulled temporarily when SQ doesn't have enough A380 capacity or when it wants to perform particular flights to another destination. Regardless, SQ A380's have operated to MEL in some form over the past few years, every year without fail. Remeber that SQ will give MEL a capacity boost with an extra pernament x3 weekly flights due to start in July.

It seems like MEL might be up for a major aircraft reshuffle between flights during the second half of the year, with the A350's slated to takeover SQ207/208.
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Re: Australian Aviation - February 2017

Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:29 am

kriskim wrote:
MooLor wrote:
qf789 wrote:
SQ to downgrade SQ217/218 SIN-MEL from A388 to A359 from 1 May to 30 June 17

https://www.ausbt.com.au/singapore-airl ... n-may-june


That is an "impressive" downgrade. Due to equipment availability or due to lack of demand, do we know?


MEL is normally one of the first A380 destinations to get its A380's pulled temporarily when SQ doesn't have enough A380 capacity or when it wants to perform particular flights to another destination. Regardless, SQ A380's have operated to MEL in some form over the past few years, every year without fail. Remeber that SQ will give MEL a capacity boost with an extra pernament x3 weekly flights due to start in July.

It seems like MEL might be up for a major aircraft reshuffle between flights during the second half of the year, with the A350's slated to takeover SQ207/208.


Yeah SQ certainly applies a large degree of flexibility to its MEL operations, particularly as the A380 is concerned. In this particular instance, it is only for May & June which are outside of the school holidays and therefore it's likely to be a combination of weaker demand on MEL, and another route with a more pressing business case for the A380 at the same time.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation - February 2017

Tue Feb 21, 2017 3:52 am

^ Which begs the question, do they often fly their A380 around half empty in times of low demand? But that my friends is a question for one of those endless A Vs B fanboi threads. :D
 
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Re: Australian Aviation - February 2017

Wed Feb 22, 2017 10:24 pm

QF first half results

$852 million underlying profit before tax
First JQ A320neo deferred to 18/19
2 oldest 744's to be retired by mid 2018, a total of 5 will be retired once the first 8 789's are delivered

http://australianaviation.com.au/2017/0 ... lf-profit/

http://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media- ... al-result/
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Re: Australian Aviation - February 2017

Wed Feb 22, 2017 10:25 pm

TT to start MEL-TSV, 4 weekly eff 22 June 17

http://australianaviation.com.au/2017/0 ... ownsville/
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Wed Feb 22, 2017 11:54 pm

qf789 wrote:
QF first half results

$852 million underlying profit before tax
First JQ A320neo deferred to 18/19
2 oldest 744's to be retired by mid 2018, a total of 5 will be retired once the first 8 789's are delivered

http://australianaviation.com.au/2017/0 ... lf-profit/

http://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media- ... al-result/


Interesting, I wonder which 744 routes will be the next to move to 789. For utilisation current 744 routes ex-MEL? Then rotate them through LAX for BNE and SYD?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation - February 2017

Thu Feb 23, 2017 2:31 am

QF confirms A380 to receive new seats though no date confirmed

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Re: Australian Aviation - February 2017

Thu Feb 23, 2017 4:22 am

smi0006 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
QF first half results

$852 million underlying profit before tax
First JQ A320neo deferred to 18/19
2 oldest 744's to be retired by mid 2018, a total of 5 will be retired once the first 8 789's are delivered

http://australianaviation.com.au/2017/0 ... lf-profit/

http://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media- ... al-result/


Interesting, I wonder which 744 routes will be the next to move to 789. For utilisation current 744 routes ex-MEL? Then rotate them through LAX for BNE and SYD?


Quite a drop in capacity if swapped out one for one, and with the frames already earmarked for PER-LHR then it has to be a one-for-one 747 / 787 swap, surely, as things stand.

I was going to say, hang on, the FIRST eight dreamliners, they have only ordered eight. But the media release only says:
The arrival of Qantas International’s first two Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner aircraft in late calendar 2017 enables the retirement of Qantas’ two oldest 747s by mid-2018. A total of five 747s will be retired as eight Dreamliners enter the fleet.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation - February 2017

Thu Feb 23, 2017 4:28 am

... soooo, retire two 747 on entry of the first two 789. Supports the "MEL-DXB A380 will be pulled" rumour no? Allowing those to be redeployed to cover for retiring 747.

Which leaves the next six 789 to cover the next three departing 747, or else a similar dropping of A380 route/s.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation - February 2017

Thu Feb 23, 2017 4:47 am

QF CEO confident of a renewed push for a QF/AA alliance will be approved by the US

QF has also taken advantage of a new air services treaty between Australia and Israel signed today to launch a new codeshare partnership with El Al today

The focus of the codeshare deal will see Qantas Australia to Asia flights link up to El Al Asia to Tel Aviv flights.

http://www.airlineratings.com/news/1058 ... n-alliance
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Thu Feb 23, 2017 4:56 am

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The focus of the codeshare deal will see Qantas Australia to Asia flights link up to El Al Asia to Tel Aviv flights.


And code share connections over JNB.
 
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Thu Feb 23, 2017 9:12 am

qf789 wrote:
QF CEO confident of a renewed push for a QF/AA alliance will be approved by the US

QF has also taken advantage of a new air services treaty between Australia and Israel signed today to launch a new codeshare partnership with El Al today

The focus of the codeshare deal will see Qantas Australia to Asia flights link up to El Al Asia to Tel Aviv flights.

http://www.airlineratings.com/news/1058 ... n-alliance


It made me wonder if Qantas (and airlines generally) have service standards that they require codeshare partners to meet? While I have never flown with El Al (just it's low cost subsidiary), it has a woeful reputation in Israel for service, particularly hard product (lacking AVOD on long haul, very poor on time performance due to industrial issues). Although they are replacing the 767s and 744s with 787s over the next few years so presumably they will update their product.

CX is launching HKG-TLV flights in March, I know many who fly Israel-Australia are excited about this.
 
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Sat Feb 25, 2017 8:11 am

Lengthy delays in SYD today due to runway 16R closure & restricted to 1 runway. Several international services diverted to BNE whilst domestic services diverted to CBR or return to their origin port. We had a rare QF26 & QF12 runway 16L arrival (A380) which would've been a spectacular sighting for anyone!

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Why was 16R closed?
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Sat Feb 25, 2017 9:56 am

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Why was 16R closed?


Pavement failure.

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Sat Feb 25, 2017 10:01 am

Re HND slots, the reciprocity aspect doesn't requier wing tip flying just so long as both parties are in the same nightime/daytime classification. As Australia only has nighttime slots, Japan only gets nightime slots. NH run a similar schedule to QF as it is the most lucrative, but there is technically nothing stopping them running a 06:00 departure from HND or 22:30 arrival.

Re QF 787 deliveries, sadly it really does look like MEL-DXB-LHR will be cut. If they are intending to pull down the 747 fleet that quickly then something needs to be cancelled, although I guess JNB or SCL could be outside contenders. Even just DXB-MEL with LHR truncated wouldn't work.
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Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:36 am

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Re QF 787 deliveries, sadly it really does look like MEL-DXB-LHR will be cut. If they are intending to pull down the 747 fleet that quickly then something needs to be cancelled, although I guess JNB or SCL could be outside contenders. Even just DXB-MEL with LHR truncated wouldn't work.

Sorry Ryan how does speeding up B747 retirements affect MEL-DXB-LHR when B747s do not operate the service? What is the knock on from?

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Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:39 am

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Re QF 787 deliveries, sadly it really does look like MEL-DXB-LHR will be cut. If they are intending to pull down the 747 fleet that quickly then something needs to be cancelled, although I guess JNB or SCL could be outside contenders. Even just DXB-MEL with LHR truncated wouldn't work.

Sorry Ryan how does speeding up B747 retirements affect MEL-DXB-LHR when B747s do not operate the service? What is the knock on from?
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Something has to give somewhere. There will be 1-2 new routes with 787's which have smaller capacity than the 744's that leave the fleet.
 
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Sat Feb 25, 2017 12:38 pm

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Sorry Ryan how does speeding up B747 retirements affect MEL-DXB-LHR when B747s do not operate the service? What is the knock on from?


Cancelling MEL-DXB-LHR allows those two A380s to replace two 744s on other routes.

QF has said that they will retire the two older 744s by mid-2018 and they have already allocated all four of the 789s due before then to MEL-LAX and MEL-PER-LHR. Clearly they are anticipating two frames worth of capacity to open up somewhere in all of this and MEL-DXB-LHR has always been rumoured to be a poor performer anyway. The alternative would be to lose two daily flights to Asia or a daily flight elsewhere in the long-haul network (which is already pretty thinly spread as it is).
 
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Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:33 am

Just some commentary on VA and my opinion.
Personally I believe the worst is over for VA for a number of reasons.

- There current problem is their domestic network, in the first half the international division actually might a slight profit ($.8 Million). This year they will effectively reduce their domestic fleet by 13+ aircraft (10x E190s and at least 3x A332's deployed on PER-AUH, MEL?-HKG and a likely route to China.) This will result in a significant increase in fleet utilization of the 737 as it replaces East - West flights and some east coast flights previously operated the the E190 which is used frequently on many routes from SYD-MEL, MEL-CBR to MEL/SYD-HBA among others. We can also expect to see the dropping and reduction of some mining sensitive routes. All of this should enable VA to better respond to demand and increase yields.

- I also believe that the post mining boom demand fall will start to bottom out in 2017/18, all major mining companies are way back into the black and many have completed their cost cutting (thus employment cutting) schemes. In fact some recent economic indicators are showing some small job growth in both QLD and WA mining areas for the first time in many years on the back of rising commodity prices. Also contradictory to many reports yields on the east coast (MEL/SYD/BNE/OOL/CBR/HBA) are at record highs thanks to supply moving back in tune with demand.

Anyway, while things could and will change - looking at it right now I believe that with the right decisions and no economic problems here in Australia/globally VA will improve this year quite a bit. :)
 
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Sun Feb 26, 2017 1:41 am

qf002 wrote:
Gemuser wrote:
Sorry Ryan how does speeding up B747 retirements affect MEL-DXB-LHR when B747s do not operate the service? What is the knock on from?


Cancelling MEL-DXB-LHR allows those two A380s to replace two 744s on other routes.

QF has said that they will retire the two older 744s by mid-2018 and they have already allocated all four of the 789s due before then to MEL-LAX and MEL-PER-LHR. Clearly they are anticipating two frames worth of capacity to open up somewhere in all of this and MEL-DXB-LHR has always been rumoured to be a poor performer anyway. The alternative would be to lose two daily flights to Asia or a daily flight elsewhere in the long-haul network (which is already pretty thinly spread as it is).


Or could we see MEL-DXB-LHR remain and more 330s into Asia? where does QF fly the 744 in Asia? HKG, NRT, HND, SIN? HND and HKG unlikely to change due to slots. But double daily 330s ex-MEL? Would this allow them to be retired? Is there much slack in the 744 fleet? I know the 380s are high utilisation- but are 744?

In saying this will be interesting how they manage a 380 refit? Maybe the route will be dropped for a period and EK pick up the slack whilst they refit the aircraft, and take on some more deliveries.
 
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Sun Feb 26, 2017 2:04 am

744's do SYD/MEL-HKG and SYD-HND.

There will be changes and MEL-DXB-LHR seems the most obvious to get cut which will free up 2 A380's.

In the peak season all the A380's and 744's are utilised with just 1-2 down days a week. In the low season they have a full A380 spare plus 2 down days at SYD and they and they will have probably a full spare 744 plus a few days on another.
 
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Sun Feb 26, 2017 4:29 am

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It would be great if Qatar did something creative like Doha-Bali-Canberra and return IF they don't want to do it nonstop, and give Canberrans another nonstop international destination plus another possible 'dot on the map' for Qatar, and another first for an ME3 airline (Bali, that is). Wouldn't be high yielding probably, a Bali route, but I'm sure it would attract a Canberra market in itself.


Emirates has operated DXB-DPS since 2015.


And QR has operated to DPS since 2007. They currently operate 2x daily non-stop.
 
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BNEFlyer wrote:
Ditzyboy wrote:
bunumuring wrote:
It would be great if Qatar did something creative like Doha-Bali-Canberra and return IF they don't want to do it nonstop, and give Canberrans another nonstop international destination plus another possible 'dot on the map' for Qatar, and another first for an ME3 airline (Bali, that is). Wouldn't be high yielding probably, a Bali route, but I'm sure it would attract a Canberra market in itself.


Emirates has operated DXB-DPS since 2015.


And QR has operated to DPS since 2007. They currently operate 2x daily non-stop.



I always liked (or dreamed of) the idea of a CBR-SIN-(DOH or DXB) route before SQ started the Capital Connect. Still wonder if it would work with an earlier departure time than SQ from CBR.

On VA E190 retirement, any idea what will happen to route like SYD-CFS. Will it be a mix of 737 and ATR? maybe handed over to TT?
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Sun Feb 26, 2017 8:26 am

Was the E 190's successful for VA and why are they getting rid of them, seems like they have not been in the fleet that long.
 
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Was the E 190's successful for VA and why are they getting rid of them, seems like they have not been in the fleet that long.


I don't think they very unsuccessful (don't have any numbers to support this though), but VA are going through a fleet simplification which is sensible. The E190s have been leaving the fleet as they've reached their lease end, so it is the right time to do so.
 
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Sun Feb 26, 2017 9:00 am

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I always liked (or dreamed of) the idea of a CBR-SIN-(DOH or DXB) route before SQ started the Capital Connect. Still wonder if it would work with an earlier departure time than SQ from CBR.

On VA E190 retirement, any idea what will happen to route like SYD-CFS. Will it be a mix of 737 and ATR? maybe handed over to TT?


It'll be 737 only (there are 737's on SYD-CFS now). The ATR's will also be leaving the fleet.
 
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Sun Feb 26, 2017 9:08 am

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Was the E 190's successful for VA and why are they getting rid of them, seems like they have not been in the fleet that long.


It's a tricky aircraft with which to make money. I'll use JetBlue as the comparison because it has a large fleet of E190 but its primary aircraft is the A320. The fixed costs of both aircraft are all similar - airport expenses, overhead, staff, crew, mx, fuel, etc - but are amortised over fewer pax on the E190.

So the E190 percentage break even load factor is higher than the A320/737 - JetBlue estimated that on a 300 mile route, the E190 would cost $3 more per seat than the A320. JetBlue believed it could charge a premium on such a route and because it had fewer seats to sell it could fill tham more easily. This hasn't entirely worked out in practise.

It's also hangar queen, or has been for JetBlue:

http://aviationweek.com/commercial-avia ... -190-costs

"JetBlue CEO Laments Embraer 190 Costs

The president and CEO of JetBlue Airways is “disappointed” with the carrier’s fleet of Embraer 190s and says the airline continues to struggle with maintenance costs on the 100-seat E-Jets."


It can work (and pax love it) but only on routes where the airline can charge a premium. - feeder to mainline on the US majors, for example.

Jetblue doesn't "regret" getting the E190, but they are used in specific circumstances, such as business heavy routes from BOS where, again, they can charge a premium. Even so, the airline has deferred delivery of some E190's.

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Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:02 am

What is the retirement schedule for the Virgin ATRs?

I honestly can't believe they are leaving the fleet as it means turning over all of the QLD regional markets and SYD-CBR to QF. Their is no way they can compete with QF in those markets with 737s.
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Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:42 am

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What is the retirement schedule for the Virgin ATRs?

I honestly can't believe they are leaving the fleet as it means turning over all of the QLD regional markets and SYD-CBR to QF. Their is no way they can compete with QF in those markets with 737s.


I always thought it was some of the ATRs leaving, not all of them, they def need them for CBR.

They'll need something regionally to tide them over until they have a Comac delivery courtesy of current shareholders :stirthepot:
 
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https://www.ausbt.com.au/virgin-austral ... bi-flights

VA has pulled its plans to operate PER-AUH which was set to start in June.
 
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Mon Feb 27, 2017 5:08 am

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https://www.ausbt.com.au/virgin-australia-axes-perth-abu-dhabi-flights

VA has pulled its plans to operate PER-AUH which was set to start in June.


What a farce.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation - February 2017

Mon Feb 27, 2017 5:40 am

I'm actually pretty happy with some of the moves lately at Virgin. Long overdue.

Pros:
1. E190 removal - simplifies the fleet and potnetially allows VA to concentrate on larger regional routes with 1-2 daily 738 services, potentially proving very popular against QF while removing a major cost in a small, additional fleet
2. Ditching Abu Dhabi altogether - was always an oddball, especially with Etihad already established on the route - what value would VA bring?
3. Introducing 330s on international (Hong Kong, Fiji) - with such a proven, versatile aircraft, it only makes sense, while also removing excess capacity from domestic
4. MAX deferral - there just really is no immediate need for the capex for these in the fleet; even if fuel goes up, the delay isn't earth shattering
5. Tasman frequency increases - small so far but a step in the right direction in a growth market (yields, probably not so great)
6. Melbourne-LAX nonstop - the via-BNE/SYD approach was abysmal and guaranteed crud yields, not to mention the lousy ground handling of these pax in MElbourne leading to many missed flights
7. Tiger shift to 738s - makess ense... if they can pull it off
8. Bali/leisure routes to Tiger - again, makes sense... if they can pull it off
9. Finally getting around to sorting out the freight side of the business with the establishment of that business unit - for too long bellyspace has gone empty, which is a major dereliction of duty as an airline (insert: outrage!)

Cons:
1. AT7 fleet reduciton/removal - I'm not sure why this couldn't be handled via a transfer to REX or another operator under a franchise deal. Removes the cost for Virgin alongside a lot of the risk
2. Tiger's Bali flights - now that was a managerial balls-up, I hope someone lost their job
3. Still no expansion in the Pacific Islands from NZ or Australia - I know the agreement with Air NZ excludes this market, but if done right it can be profitable (and growing) with a proactive carrier with a lower-New Zealand cost base, but Virgin has gone all-stagnant here and I seriously wonder if there's not some unwritten agreement going on

Not sure if that's everything but for the first time in a while, I can think of more positives than negatives. It'll tke time to filter through to the bottom line, but it's good to see action finally being taken. I suspect the Borghetti era is ending/has ended.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation - February 2017

Mon Feb 27, 2017 6:12 am

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What is the retirement schedule for the Virgin ATRs?

I honestly can't believe they are leaving the fleet as it means turning over all of the QLD regional markets and SYD-CBR to QF. Their is no way they can compete with QF in those markets with 737s.

Hello, Alliance? Do you have a few more Fokkers you can operate on our behalf?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation - February 2017

Mon Feb 27, 2017 6:32 am

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3. Still no expansion in the Pacific Islands from NZ or Australia - I know the agreement with Air NZ excludes this market, but if done right it can be profitable (and growing) with a proactive carrier with a lower-New Zealand cost base, but Virgin has gone all-stagnant here and I seriously wonder if there's not some unwritten agreement going on.


There's a hoo-haa in Samoa about exactly that.

The Samoa government (or members of it) has made statements suggesting there is collusion between Air NZ and Virgin Samoa to keep seats down and fares up and the Samoans are also irate that Virgin hasn't added any more routes.

It's been going for a while - at one point the government wanted to relaunch Polynesian on international routes (NZ) although that hasn't happened - yet - and they also said that when the contract with Virgin comes up, they might not renew.

It may all be a storm in a teacup but there's enough bad blood for Air NZ to have responded with a commitment to Samoa:

http://sobserver.ws/en/25_02_2017/local ... itment.htm

"Air New Zealand reassures Samoa about its commitment"

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Re: Australian Aviation - February 2017

Mon Feb 27, 2017 6:47 am

I thought it was the 72-500 series VA were returning, and they will keep the more capable 72-600 series frames. That would remove 6 frames, leaving 8.

The two 737-700s also seem a bit oddball.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation - February 2017

Mon Feb 27, 2017 7:31 am

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Also contradictory to many reports yields on the east coast (MEL/SYD/BNE/OOL/CBR/HBA) are at record highs thanks to supply moving back in tune with demand.


I'm not sure if this is just your opinion or you have a source, but how can your statement be correct given VA reported a decline in domestic yields of 5.6% in their most recent results announcement. As the East coast routes would be the biggest contributors to domestic earnings, if group wide domestic yields have declined by 5.6% how can yields on east coast routes be at record highs?

VA's biggest issue still remains their yield deficit to QF. VA have substantially increased their cost base to match the service offering of QF (at the same time QF have been reducing costs), yet QF still enjoys a yield premium to VA. After so many years of increasing costs (and hence benefits to passengers), VA is now in the process of their massive cost cutting program.

The most glaring example is business class East-West coast flights on VA's A330s, VA have introduced a international business class standard product onto domestic routes which no longer command those hefty premiums at the height of the mining boom. QF did the same but at least has the ability to rotate their A330's onto international services so that they can capture the yield required to get a return on the new business class product. VA haven't really started redeploying that A330 product onto international routes yet but are in the process of with the introduction of the HKG routes. The biggest beneficiaries are passengers flying business class on the PER-east coast routes, where they're enjoying a premium product but not paying anywhere near a premium price.
The irony is that some of VA's 777's which fly their long-haul international (and hence in theory should command a higher premium) still have the old business product installed, whilst their A330's with their shiny new seats are plying the no longer lucrative PER-east coast markets.
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Re: Australian Aviation - February 2017

Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:33 am

SYDSpotter wrote:
log0008 wrote:

The irony is that some of VA's 777's which fly their long-haul international (and hence in theory should command a higher premium) still have the old business product installed, whilst their A330's with their shiny new seats are plying the no longer lucrative PER-east coast markets.


Are you sure that is correct? I'm sure I saw a post recently confirming all of VA's 777s now have the new J product.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation - February 2017

Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:07 am

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The two 737-700s also seem a bit oddball.


They are, but I believe they are owned outright, and not on loan. Also, they don't add much cost. They use the same pilots as the rest of the fleet, and engineering is near identical as well. So, getting rid of them won't be a significant cost saving, and the only reason would be to simply route structuring, or if they feel that the smaller amount of seats makes the aircraft unprofitable.

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Re: Australian Aviation - February 2017

Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:46 am

SYDSpotter wrote:
log0008 wrote:
Also contradictory to many reports yields on the east coast (MEL/SYD/BNE/OOL/CBR/HBA) are at record highs thanks to supply moving back in tune with demand.


I'm not sure if this is just your opinion or you have a source, but how can your statement be correct given VA reported a decline in domestic yields of 5.6% in their most recent results announcement. As the East coast routes would be the biggest contributors to domestic earnings, if group wide domestic yields have declined by 5.6% how can yields on east coast routes be at record highs?

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Yes it is based on what you could call a source (largely from a sales side of things). I can't say to much but, if you want to see problems, East-West load factors have fallen by about 10% YOY and average fares by almost 20% (VA has taken a much bigger hit than QF). In terms of, BNE/MEL/SYD triangular routes, average load is a record highs, while average fares is also at record highs. - Thats about all I can say.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation - February 2017

Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:02 am

log0008 wrote:
Yes it is based on what you could call a source (largely from a sales side of things). I can't say to much but, if you want to see problems, East-West load factors have fallen by about 10% YOY and average fares by almost 20% (VA has taken a much bigger hit than QF). In terms of, BNE/MEL/SYD triangular routes, average load is a record highs, while average fares is also at record highs. - Thats about all I can say.


Ok, well your source is directly contradicting the ASX announcement made by Virgin a week ago where they state that domestic yields fell by 5.6%. The domestic outlook is so clouded that Virgin has also refrained from giving further guidance on their full year earnings. If SYD/MEL/BNE loads and yields (which make up a significant portion of domestic earnings) are at record highs as your source claims, then I would've thought VA would've been much more positive in their earnings announcement. In their February ASX earnings presentation it quotes John Borghetti "continued subdued trading conditions in the domestic market".

Perhaps your source knows more than JB does?
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Re: Australian Aviation - February 2017

Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:51 am

Given the arrival and departure times give about 16 hours of down time, has QF looked at doing a tag flight to say ICN? Serve the two markets with the one flight?

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