eielef
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G-MEDM - A321 British Airways just flying to Moscow?

Thu Feb 09, 2017 7:10 am

I've checked the info in FR24 and the last few weeks, this plane has done only flights to Moscow, covering, in some occasions, the three daily flights between both capital cities. Only one exception was a return flight to AMM.
Why THIS plane? I flew in the MEDJ e.g. last year. Does it have a different configuration? DME has an important premium market, so I'm pretty sure it must have some extra rows of Business, or even First Class.
Could someone enlighten me?
I'm flying tomorrow on BA236...

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Re: G-MEDM - A321 British Airways just flying to Moscow?

Thu Feb 09, 2017 7:47 am

BA do not currently have sufficient shorthaul aircraft so have been using their 7 midhaul A321s on European routes to help cover this. Add to this the fact that this is the low season for travel, the quietest time of year, and that might explain the high utilisation rate.
 
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Re: G-MEDM - A321 British Airways just flying to Moscow?

Thu Feb 09, 2017 8:01 am

This is one of seven identical A321s with Club World and World Traveller seating. Sister planes MEDF, MEDL, MEDG, MEDN, MEDU and MEDJ have all visited Moscow within the last month. Nothing special about MEDM at all.
Since the 31st of January MEDM has indeed spent almost all the time on LHR-DME-LHR, but for the two weeks before that it equally consistently went to either BEY or CAI.
One thing you can say about the BA "mid-haul" (well that's what BA call them) A321s - if they appear on a route you can guarantee it is anything but premium heavy. With just 23 J seats and no F or W you can see that premium demand has collapsed on MOW-LHR compared to the days when BA would send 4 class 744s with three times the premium seats, plus W class, twice a day. And it isn't due to the competition - three years ago Aeroflot and Transaero also flew MOW-LHR and easyJet flew to LGW. Now Transaero is no more, and easyJet has abandoned the route.
 
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Re: G-MEDM - A321 British Airways just flying to Moscow?

Thu Feb 09, 2017 9:10 am

Andy33 wrote:
...premium demand has collapsed on MOW-LHR compared to the days when BA would send 4 class 744s with three times the premium seats, plus W class, twice a day...


Agree with most of your points. Not sure about double daily B744s though.

https://worldairlinenews.com/2012/03/14 ... n-march-25

It was usually a combination of 1 x B744 and 2 x B763/A321.
 
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Re: G-MEDM - A321 British Airways just flying to Moscow?

Thu Feb 09, 2017 11:49 am

Though BA still has 3 daily flights, 17 in the week on A321 and 4 weekly in B772. The offer has decreased due to the economical crisis in Russia (it used to be at one point a daily 744, a daily 772 and a daily 321) but well, it is what we have now. Plus, BA also flies to LED.
SU has two daily flights (one in A321 and one in A333) plus another flight (also in A321) just 5 times a week.
The number of seats of both airlines is the same, though SU flies from SVO while BA flies from DME.
 
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Re: G-MEDM - A321 British Airways just flying to Moscow?

Thu Feb 09, 2017 4:07 pm

SU also fly SVO to LGW and have recently announced it would be a year round daily service after only initially intending to operate the route five times a week for the winter period only, SU commenced SVO to LGW in November 2016 using A320.
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Re: G-MEDM - A321 British Airways just flying to Moscow?

Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:21 am

I took the BA236 now, as expected the G-MEDM, and Business was full, while economy had about 60% of LF. We had a late departure with no reason, but we managed to get in time and circle just three times in NE London, to finally land at RWY 09L 20 minutes in advance.
We were offered a free breakfast, consisting on a very small sandwich (tasteless), tea, coffee, or water, all free of charge. I'd say less than 20% took the breakfast, as it was way to early for us (take off was at 0539 local time).
At the end of the day, a flight of 4h25 turned being one of 3h35. They must have added premium fuel to the plane
 
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Re: G-MEDM - A321 British Airways just flying to Moscow?

Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:19 am

And now G-MEDL has emerged from BA Maintenance Glasgow, converted to short-haul configuration, so if you find that showing up at Moscow there will be complaints. G-MEDM has replaced it in the maintenance facility, so won't be turning up at Moscow for a while, maybe not ever again if it too gets converted. One more conversion is expected this year, and MEDM may be it. The remaining 5 "MidHaul" A321s are expected to be converted to shorthaul config in 2018.
 
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Re: G-MEDM - A321 British Airways just flying to Moscow?

Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:06 am

With BA all "Mid-Haul" A321 being converted to Short Haul configuration by 2018, can we expect to see the newly ordered B788's on BEY/AMM/CAI routes to replace the A321?
 
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Re: G-MEDM - A321 British Airways just flying to Moscow?

Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:14 am

MEA330 wrote:
With BA all "Mid-Haul" A321 being converted to Short Haul configuration by 2018, can we expect to see the newly ordered B788's on BEY/AMM/CAI routes to replace the A321?


My personal opinion is, that if BA continues their Vueling UK transformation, that soon Euro Traveller and Club Europe will be offered with their short haul 320s and 321 to BEY/AMM/CAI and DME....
 
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Re: G-MEDM - A321 British Airways just flying to Moscow?

Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:49 am

MEA330 wrote:
With BA all "Mid-Haul" A321 being converted to Short Haul configuration by 2018, can we expect to see the newly ordered B788's on BEY/AMM/CAI routes to replace the A321?


We could see those destinations get them especially in peak periods.TLV was up gauged to a 787 on some flights. Shame to see those mid hauls being converted I had good flights to AMM and BEY on them.
 
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Re: G-MEDM - A321 British Airways just flying to Moscow?

Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:53 am

I believe BA don't class Moscow as short haul so I'm guessing the aircraft has long haul business class seats and not short haul ones.
 
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Re: G-MEDM - A321 British Airways just flying to Moscow?

Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:09 pm

Jerry123 wrote:
I believe BA don't class Moscow as short haul so I'm guessing the aircraft has long haul business class seats and not short haul ones.


That's correct. There is a subfleet of A321s with lie-flat business class seats. BA call them their mid-haul fleet. For several years this subfleet has been 7 planes strong, now there are only 6 and the intention is to convert all of them to standard shorthaul configuration over the next 2 years. Effectively it is the conversion of this fleet, plus the earliest deliveries from the A321neo order, that will provide the planes to replace the seven short-haul 763s that remain in the fleet, but are due to leave by the end of 2018.
 
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Re: G-MEDM - A321 British Airways just flying to Moscow?

Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:55 pm

During the 2016 Summer Season BA scheduled Mid-haul 321s on selected flights between LHR and seven of their short-haul destinations:

ABZ (BA1316/17). Daily x 6&7 from 27 March
ARN (BA776/77). Days 1&6 from 27 March
ATH (BA640/41). Daily x 6&7 from 27 March
FCO (BA556/57). Daily from 1 May
LCA (BA664/65). Day 6 from 4 June
OSL (BA762/63). Daily from 27 March
NCE (BA342/43). Day 7 from 27 March
NCE (BA350/51). Daily x 2&6 from 27 March

Mid-haul configured flights to the two short-haul destinations not operated from the beginning of the 2016 Summer Season, FCO and LCA, were introduced after an additional Mid-haul 321 was freed up when BA suspended their six-times-weekly flights to a mid-haul destination, GYD, on 30 April. The suspension of this service (because of the reliance of the Azerbaijan economy on oil) was at very short notice only having been announced on 16 March 2016.

The Mid-haul flights operated in the 2016 Summer Season were to:

AMM: BA147/48. Daily
BEY: BA149/48. Daily
DME: BA232/22. Daily x 1&5
DME: BA235/34. Daily
DME: BA237/36. Daily
GYD: BA145/44. Daily x6 (suspended 30 April)

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