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Re: SIA signs LOI for 39 Boeing Aircraft

Thu Feb 09, 2017 5:15 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
keesje wrote:
Congratulation to SQ & Boeing !

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An significant victory. SQ kept this 77W replacement requirement open for a long time. They ordered a pile of XWB's but never committed to -1000s, waiting for a Boeing offering. http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/pressreleases/press-release-detail/detail/singapore-airlines-finalises-order-for-up-to-50-more-a350-xwbs/


The render is old, the 777X doesn't have the engine chevrons anymore.

Here is a more up-to-date render, including the 787-10:

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https://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/sta ... 5405967361


I was wondering why Boeing is showing a 777-8X in the render (only 4 doors on each side) when the order seems to be for 777-9X as mentioned above?

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Re: SIA signs LOI for 39 Boeing Aircraft

Thu Feb 09, 2017 5:20 pm

LTH wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
keesje wrote:
Congratulation to SQ & Boeing !

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An significant victory. SQ kept this 77W replacement requirement open for a long time. They ordered a pile of XWB's but never committed to -1000s, waiting for a Boeing offering. http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/pressreleases/press-release-detail/detail/singapore-airlines-finalises-order-for-up-to-50-more-a350-xwbs/


The render is old, the 777X doesn't have the engine chevrons anymore.

Here is a more up-to-date render, including the 787-10:

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https://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/sta ... 5405967361


I was wondering why Boeing is showing a 777-8X in the render (only 4 doors on each side) when the order seems to be for 777-9X as mentioned above?

LTH

Boeing is removing the overwing exits on the 779X to save weight and because most airlines don't need them as they are configuring the planes nowhere close to max capacity (as a consequence max pax capacity for the 779 will be lower than the smaller 77W).
 
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Re: SIA signs LOI for 39 Boeing Aircraft

Thu Feb 09, 2017 5:28 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
The render is old, the 777X doesn't have the engine chevrons anymore.

Here is a more up-to-date render, including the 787-10:

https://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/sta ... 5405967361


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Re: SIA signs LOI for 39 Boeing Aircraft

Thu Feb 09, 2017 5:28 pm

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I would not be surprised is the 787-10 will be used in the developing Asian Leisure battle ground.

So these would be allocated to Scoot?
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Thu Feb 09, 2017 5:42 pm

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More blue chip than LH,SQ,EK,QR...? I think the 7 77X customers are the definition of blue chip. And I expect others...


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Re: SIA signs LOI for 39 Boeing Aircraft

Thu Feb 09, 2017 5:52 pm

LTH wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
keesje wrote:
Congratulation to SQ & Boeing !

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An significant victory. SQ kept this 77W replacement requirement open for a long time. They ordered a pile of XWB's but never committed to -1000s, waiting for a Boeing offering. http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/pressreleases/press-release-detail/detail/singapore-airlines-finalises-order-for-up-to-50-more-a350-xwbs/


The render is old, the 777X doesn't have the engine chevrons anymore.

Here is a more up-to-date render, including the 787-10:

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https://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/sta ... 5405967361


I was wondering why Boeing is showing a 777-8X in the render (only 4 doors on each side) when the order seems to be for 777-9X as mentioned above?

LTH


That's clearly not an Boeing rendering. Look at the @ artist tag.
 
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Re: SIA signs LOI for 39 Boeing Aircraft

Thu Feb 09, 2017 6:11 pm

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jbs2886 wrote:
Polot wrote:
Oh I'm aware that is what they said. I don't think that is how it is actually going to turn out in reality. Plans change.


I believe you both are correct. Yes, SQ is literally replacing A330s with A359s. But also yes that what those A359s are used for may be different than the use of the A330s when the 787-10s come on the property. Definitions of routes and missions will adjust to the aircraft.


Fleet utilization is adjusted to constantly changing network requirements.

I would not be surprised is the 787-10 will be used in the developing Asian Leisure battle ground..
Flying to Europe without belly cargo never proved a popular restriction.

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I fully agree that the 787-10 won't be flying to Europe from SIN. It will proabably spend most of its days flying between SIN and China and India. The A359 and 777-9 will do much better and cargo between SIN and Europe is a factor.

But if you are talking about the leisure market then a 4200nm range assumption is too low. Leisure markets tend to have very litttle cargo. 4200nm range is for a 787-10 at MZFW. Leisure routes won't need that type of payload. Depending on the seating density, the 787-10 should be able to fly up to 4500-5500nm. It can probably make it further without any cargo at all in a two class configuration. UA is able to get the 787-9 to within 10% of the published MAX range of 7600nm without passenger restrictions for their two class configuration. That would imply the 787-10 could get around 5500nm since the published range for a 787-10 is 6400nm, but I admit that would be pushing it a bit and SQ has better airplanes for flights that long.

I expect the 787-10 to be used for regional flights in Asia, but I could also see it being used to Australia and New Zealand as well. Air Asia is able to fly an A330-300 to New Zealand from KUL, so I think SQ or Scoot could use a 787-10 on the route if they want.
 
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Re: SIA signs LOI for 39 Boeing Aircraft

Thu Feb 09, 2017 7:01 pm

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In the past Boeing bought SQ's 17 A340s to get the 777 contract. It shows how determined Boeing is to have SQ on their operator list.
I wonder what was on the table this time to break the 777X Sales Drought.


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Re: SIA signs LOI for 39 Boeing Aircraft

Thu Feb 09, 2017 7:34 pm

When SQ orders aircraft, do they order for their group of airlines, or SQ only?
 
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Thu Feb 09, 2017 7:35 pm

I find it no coincidence at all that SQ has 19 A380's in the fleet currently and they have ordered 20 777-9's. This seems very much like a VLA-for-VLA transaction.
I'm not yet saying that SQ will drop all A380's but I have a suspicion that these 777-9's will take over some of the A380 routes.
 
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Re: SIA signs LOI for 39 Boeing Aircraft

Thu Feb 09, 2017 7:41 pm

This is excellent for Boeing and I have to say I'm actually a little surprised. The 777X seems to be picking up some steam, If I were to bet I'd say we will see 1-2 more airlines sign up this year. Now as per the users who are saying it doesn't make sense to order more 787s, I too am a bit confused. I know they currently have plenty of aircraft that will need replacement but the A350 order should cover that unless a good chunk of those are for expansion.
 
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Thu Feb 09, 2017 8:09 pm

This is great to see. Yes, SQ has a big order book but they turn over planes quickly. Also, they really haven't expanded much in the past few years in the SQ brand (focus on LCCs), I expect that to change.
 
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Thu Feb 09, 2017 8:47 pm

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So apparently SQ doesn't mind diluting their brand when they order these cramped 777's or will they configure them 9-abreast?


The 777-9 offers 18" seat cushion width at 10 abreast so I expect them to have identical seat vendors to their A350 fleet. And SQ flew 747s for decades at 10 abreast with "tight" seating and it didn't appear to hurt the brand.
 
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Thu Feb 09, 2017 9:01 pm

Stitch wrote:
Strato2 wrote:
So apparently SQ doesn't mind diluting their brand when they order these cramped 777's or will they configure them 9-abreast?


The 777-9 offers 18" seat cushion width at 10 abreast so I expect them to have identical seat vendors to their A350 fleet. And SQ flew 747s for decades at 10 abreast with "tight" seating and it didn't appear to hurt the brand.


Ironically, the brand based largely on 777s right now, too. These "777s are cramped and crappy" posts/threads are getting really. We all agree the 10 abreast on 777 classics is tight and we would prefer not to sit in them.
 
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Thu Feb 09, 2017 9:05 pm

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Ironically, the brand based largely on 777s right now, too. These "777s are cramped and crappy" posts/threads are getting really.


SQ's 777 fleet have 9-abreast economy cabins. Most discussions are about 10-abreast cabins.
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Thu Feb 09, 2017 9:09 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
Ironically, the brand based largely on 777s right now, too. These "777s are cramped and crappy" posts/threads are getting really.


SQ's 777 fleet have 9-abreast economy cabins. Most discussions are about 10-abreast cabins.


True. I keep forgetting airlines still have 9 abreast still :lol:
 
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Thu Feb 09, 2017 9:31 pm

airbazar wrote:
I find it no coincidence at all that SQ has 19 A380's in the fleet currently and they have ordered 20 777-9's. This seems very much like a VLA-for-VLA transaction.
I'm not yet saying that SQ will drop all A380's but I have a suspicion that these 777-9's will take over some of the A380 routes.


I would expect the 777-9 to replace 777-300ER. The 777-300ER are on average older than the A380 and the oldest A380 are to be replaced by A380. To replace 19 A380 you would need no less than 30 777-9.
 
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Re: SIA signs LOI for 39 Boeing Aircraft

Thu Feb 09, 2017 10:01 pm

Current SQ orders;
-57 x A350
-49 x 787-10
-5 x A380s

(111 aircraft on order)

This LOI:
-20 x 777-9X
-19 x 787

How is it that a country of 5.6 million people can drive usage for that many planes/seats? It's amazing, this is not a connecting hub like DXB.
 
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Thu Feb 09, 2017 10:04 pm

mjoelnir wrote:
airbazar wrote:
I find it no coincidence at all that SQ has 19 A380's in the fleet currently and they have ordered 20 777-9's. This seems very much like a VLA-for-VLA transaction.
I'm not yet saying that SQ will drop all A380's but I have a suspicion that these 777-9's will take over some of the A380 routes.


I would expect the 777-9 to replace 777-300ER. The 777-300ER are on average older than the A380 and the oldest A380 are to be replaced by A380. To replace 19 A380 you would need no less than 30 777-9.


I said "some". The A359 is also replacing the 77W. Case in point: IAH used to be 77W. It's now an A359.
Regarding the 779, it very much depends on how SQ will configure them. A 3-class 779 with 10-abreast seats in Y and no F class will have a lot more seats than a 77W. It will make a perfect A380 replacement for routes where F class is not needed. However, a 4-class 779 with F/J/Y+/Y with 9-abreast will have about the same number of seats as the current 77W (or less). SQ's problem right now and over the past few years has been decreasing yields and lower LF's due to overcapacity. More seats is not the right path to greater profits so replacing some A380's with 777-9's makes a lot of sense.

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How is it that a country of 5.6 million people can drive usage for that many planes/seats? It's amazing, this is not a connecting hub like DXB.

Are you being serious?
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Re: SIA signs LOI for 39 Boeing Aircraft

Thu Feb 09, 2017 10:05 pm

Like others, I was surprised by this: I was expecting the A350-1000 to be the winner, with the 787-10 they had on order to go Scoot. That said, my view is I do see SQ in the future ordering the 777-10 as a replacement for their older A380's and I wonder if Scoot's experience with their 787 fleet had some influence on the order. The 777-9 to me is a direct replacement for their 777-300ER. I hope their 777-9 remains at 9 abreast like their 777-300ER, which as a passenger I thoroughly flying in.
 
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Thu Feb 09, 2017 10:28 pm

DaufuskieGuy wrote:
Current SQ orders;
-57 x A350
-49 x 787-10
-5 x A380s

(111 aircraft on order)

This LOI:
-20 x 777-9X
-19 x 787

How is it that a country of 5.6 million people can drive usage for that many planes/seats? It's amazing, this is not a connecting hub like DXB.


SIN was DXB before DXB. Connecting is a huge part of its business. The entire airport is geared towards being such an efficient and pleasant place to connect, it has been for decades. Before the ME3 it was one of the best places to connect to Australia from Europe (alongside BKK and HKG).

Although what SIN does have in its favour is that the country is very wealthy.
 
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Thu Feb 09, 2017 10:32 pm

travelhound wrote:
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ikolkyo wrote:
Very interested in hearing the details of this, wondering if we will see a 777-10 or a higher capacity version of the 777-9 and maybe even some 778?


Well if SQ does indeed order the 777-9, that will help them drive the development of the 777-10.


Considering SQ have been loosing customers to the ME3 carriers for many years now, it would be interesting to see how these new aeroplanes allow SQ to compete. I suspect the USA market will be the gem that will alow them a reversal of fortunes.


Why is the US market the holy grail for everyone?
 
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Thu Feb 09, 2017 10:58 pm

It's safe to say that the A350-900 conversion rights to the A35K are on ice.
 
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Thu Feb 09, 2017 11:24 pm

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Before the ME3 it was one of the best places to connect to Australia from Europe (alongside BKK and HKG).

It was? I think it still is. It's a much nicer airport. It's less crowded. It has better amenities. And SQ is still in my opinion a better airline than EK.
The DOH/EK combination probably comes as a close second but DXB/EK are nowhere near the same level of quality as SIN/SQ.

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Why is the US market the holy grail for everyone?

I wouldn't call it a holy grail because any airline that wants to serve the U.S. market, can. It's a very sought after market because It is the largest market in the World. It's as simple as that.
 
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Re: SQ to Decide Between A350-2000 and 777-10 By Year End, CNN

Thu Feb 09, 2017 11:48 pm

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The 777-9 offers 18" seat cushion width at 10 abreast so I expect them to have identical seat vendors to their A350 fleet. And SQ flew 747s for decades at 10 abreast with "tight" seating and it didn't appear to hurt the brand.



One extra seat in 35cm (14") extra width, that is 4" that needs to be found I guess in the aisles to make that work. The 747 cabin width is 6.08m on the main deck vs 5.84m or 5.96m of the 777 and 777X respectively. So flying the 747 isn't comparable to flying the 777 at 10-abreast, at least when looking at available space in the cabin.
 
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Re: SIA signs LOI for 39 Boeing Aircraft

Fri Feb 10, 2017 12:23 am

DaufuskieGuy wrote:

How is it that a country of 5.6 million people can drive usage for that many planes/seats? It's amazing, this is not a connecting hub like DXB.


You're joking aren't you?
Way before Emirates existed, Singapore Airlines led the connecting-hub model on a massive scale and that was what made SQ so famous.
EK carbon-copied SQ's business model but of course they benefit from better geography and a contested number of other factors like oil subsidies
 
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Re: SIA signs LOI for 39 Boeing Aircraft

Fri Feb 10, 2017 12:33 am

Nice.

I'd expect the 779 to replace the first batch of 77W 19 frames with a few more seats, they have 264 seats in the 4 class 77W, which is a gap to the 4 class premium A388 with 379 seats and then the less premium 4 class A388 with 441.

I do see SQ as an airline with a need for a fleet of atleast 12 A388's for routes like Like LHR x2/3 daily, FRA, CDG, SYD, MEL etc with some short haul high capacity routes in there. AKL, ZRH maybe something a little smaller?

Say a 4 class 779 with 290/310 seats?
 
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Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:10 am

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So flying the 747 isn't comparable to flying the 777 at 10-abreast, at least when looking at available space in the cabin.


Yes, but per (a very vocal minority of) a.net, seat cushion width is the most important criteria for choosing a flight. And when it comes to seat cushion width, 18" on the 777X is better than the 17" on the 747.

In fact, we can't discuss cabin width because that would give the advantage to the 787 over the A330 and 777(X) over the A350 and that must not be allowed to be considered in comfort calculations. :angel:

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When SQ orders aircraft, do they order for their group of airlines, or SQ only?


The original 787 frames now with Scott were originally placed by SQ, but I am not sure Scoot existed back then.


Danny319 wrote:
Like others, I was surprised by this: I was expecting the A350-1000 to be the winner, with the 787-10 they had on order to go Scoot.


The original RFP was said to be between neither the 777-9 nor the A350-1000, but instead had SQ interested in larger versions of each frame.


rotating14 wrote:
It's safe to say that the A350-900 conversion rights to the A35K are on ice.


As the A350-1000 might not have been part of the original RFP, this MoU for the 777-9 is not in my mind an indicator that the A350-1000 is not likely for SQ.
 
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Re: SIA signs LOI for 39 Boeing Aircraft

Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:19 am

Well done for SQ! I had a suspicion that they would look the 777X starting about a year ago, but had it at a 50/50 chance.

I won't say the 777X at SQ is surprising, but the fact that they haven't ordered the A350-1000 thus far is.

Anyway, Congrats to SQ and Boeing! The 777-9 will look CHERRY in SQ's livery ;)
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Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:57 am

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This is excellent for Boeing and I have to say I'm actually a little surprised. The 777X seems to be picking up some steam, If I were to bet I'd say we will see 1-2 more airlines sign up this year. Now as per the users who are saying it doesn't make sense to order more 787s, I too am a bit confused. I know they currently have plenty of aircraft that will need replacement but the A350 order should cover that unless a good chunk of those are for expansion.


It's the 777 after all ;)

I'm sure they will be several more orders before EIS. The recent talks with QF seemed pretty serious. The 777-8 would do wonders for them. I'm also going to guess ET will also go for the 777-8 at some point as well.

There are plenty of airlines that will/could order the 777X, like AA, AC, AF, BA, CZ, ET, KE, MU, QF, TK, just to name a few :)
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Re: SIA signs LOI for 39 Boeing Aircraft

Fri Feb 10, 2017 3:00 am

If Airbus hoped to launch an A350 8000 with SQ then this is indeed a major loss. However it may also indicate that Airbus has decided NOT to proceed with the mooted -8000 (yet), in which case the 779 is the only game in town that meets SQ's requirement.

I suspect that pax plus freight capability had a large part to play here - similar to CX and LH, but not to all airlines with similar pax load requirements.
 
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Fri Feb 10, 2017 3:06 am

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So apparently SQ doesn't mind diluting their brand when they order these cramped 777's or will they configure them 9-abreast?


now 777's are cramped.. They already have them so not sure what your thinking.
 
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Re: SQ to Decide Between A350-2000 and 777-10 By Year End, CNN

Fri Feb 10, 2017 3:38 am

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MrHMSH wrote:
SFOtoORD wrote:

So 39 wb aircraft and maybe $7-10B of capital invested out of sympathy? Hmmm...seems totally likely...

It's in SQ's interest to have a good relationship with both: they're heavily invested in both: They fly A330s, A350s and A380s, as well as 777s and 787s (future), TR flies A320s, MI flies A320s and 737s, TZ flies 787s. That amount of investment tells me it's much more than sympathy, they want the best option available for whatever airline needs it.


As above, I think the reason why SQ is getting the 779 is that they think it is the best option available, otherwise the natural choice would be more A350 family aircraft. I think we see in today's market there's no room for maintaining relationships and/or sympathy. We saw DL pretty much push Boeing out of their widebody fleet by ordering A350 and A330neo. I think if those products fit SQ's network the best they'd do the same, but SQ's network is pretty different from DL's.

It's very good news for Boeing that SQ sees strong roles for the 779 and 78J, although of course the A350 and A330neo are doing extremely well too.

I believe 779 should be quite important to some of the regional task for SQ. Some of the route is always full with the old 773 - CGK, HND, MNL etc... Hence with 779 they will be able to utilise on regional route during the downtime back from the long haul.
 
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Fri Feb 10, 2017 3:40 am

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Like others, I was surprised by this: I was expecting the A350-1000 to be the winner, with the 787-10 they had on order to go Scoot. That said, my view is I do see SQ in the future ordering the 777-10 as a replacement for their older A380's and I wonder if Scoot's experience with their 787 fleet had some influence on the order. The 777-9 to me is a direct replacement for their 777-300ER. I hope their 777-9 remains at 9 abreast like their 777-300ER, which as a passenger I thoroughly flying in.

SQ actually ordered the first batch of 787-10 before Scoot receives them. Boeing promised 10 abreast 777 with 18 inches seat width so I really think SQ will go for 10 abreast haha!
 
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Fri Feb 10, 2017 9:05 am

Stitch wrote:
Yes, but per (a very vocal minority of) a.net, seat cushion width is the most important criteria for choosing a flight. And when it comes to seat cushion width, 18" on the 777X is better than the 17" on the 747.

In fact, we can't discuss cabin width because that would give the advantage to the 787 over the A330 and 777(X) over the A350 and that must not be allowed to be considered in comfort calculations. :angel:



If we were having a discussion that bigger is better or wider is better, then you are correct that many posters wouldn't want to have those discussions as the 787 is wider than the A330 and the 777 is wider than the A350. That is pretty pointless though, next you will tell me that the 787 at 9-abreast is more comfortable than the A320 because it is wider without looking at the amount of space that is used by seats. :crowded: :stirthepot:


grbauc wrote:
now 777's are cramped.. They already have them so not sure what your thinking.



At 10-abreast vs their current 9-abreast it will be cramped. Unless you think adding an extra seat per row in 5 extra inches will not make a difference. If they stay at 9-abreast its a moot point though.
 
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Re: SIA signs LOI for 39 Boeing Aircraft

Fri Feb 10, 2017 12:03 pm

OldAeroGuy wrote:
travelhound wrote:

The 787-10 is another surprise.


Why is it a surprise?

The A333 was a sales success with a medium range capability. The 78X is the same type of airplane with a bit more capacity and should be a good growth replacement for the A333. It should also be better suited for medium range missions than a A359LTE.


The surprise was that SQ, an airline with a current in service fleet of 111 aircraft now have orders for 131 aircraft.

If we consider a 12-year replacement cycle and compound growth of 5% they have ordered enough aircraft to cover them up to the 2025 year period (give or take a year or two and 10-20 aircraft).

So, in consideration of the numbers you are probably correct. SQ are simply ordering enough aircraft to cover them for the next 8-10 years. If we consider the aircraft they have ordered will probably remain latest generation up till 2025 (or there abouts) there aren't too many surprises here!!!

So, I stand corrected!
 
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Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:58 pm

There seems to be a general feeling which I on first reading agreed with that SQ have too many aircraft on order. The question is what are they going to do with all those 359's and 787-10's?

And then we were reminded by several posters that SQ was the original EK.

Could it be that SQ has decided to revert back( maybe refocus is the better word as they certainly will continue with their long haul services) to its original game plane and become the EK of SE Asia?

After all why should an Indian passenger prefer EK over SQ when flying to Australia, Indonesia or Malaysia given the # of hours backtracking to Dubai?

It seems to me that SQ may have realized they also have a geographic competitive advantage which needs to be reasserted.
 
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Fri Feb 10, 2017 2:23 pm

Planeflyer wrote:
Could it be that SQ has decided to revert back( maybe refocus is the better word as they certainly will continue with their long haul services) to its original game plane and become the EK of SE Asia?

They are already and have always been "the EK of SE Asia" and beyond. The SIA group already flies to 15 cities in India, at least 13 in Indonesia, 11 in China, 7 in Australia and 5 in Malaysia. Singapore is right smack in the middle of a 3+ billion population region (China+India+ASEAN+Australia). The Middle East is way too far out of the way for travel between any of these countries.
 
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Re: SIA signs LOI for 39 Boeing Aircraft

Fri Feb 10, 2017 4:09 pm

Were there any reports of crew getting stuck in those galley lifts, back in the day.
 
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Re: SIA signs LOI for 39 Boeing Aircraft

Fri Feb 10, 2017 5:12 pm

Do SQ have crew rests in aircraft that the 78X will replace. If not weight will be reduced by ~1.5t
 
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Fri Feb 10, 2017 5:57 pm

readytotaxi wrote:
Were there any reports of crew getting stuck in those galley lifts, back in the day.

Google is your friend. This one did, fatally. RIP to her though it happened so long ago.
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Fri Feb 10, 2017 6:19 pm

Stitch wrote:
The original 787 frames now with Scott were originally placed by SQ, but I am not sure Scoot existed back then.

Nope, SQ ordered 20 789s (later changed by Scoot to 10 each of -9 & -8) in 2006. Scoot's coming (un-named at the time) was revealed by SQ in May 2011 and launched its first flight a little over a year later. The transfer of the order from SQ to TZ was announced a few months after that.
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Re: SIA signs LOI for 39 Boeing Aircraft

Fri Feb 10, 2017 6:24 pm

MrHMSH wrote:
Although what SIN does have in its favour is that the country is very wealthy.

The country is very wealthy, most of the people not.
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Fri Feb 10, 2017 7:39 pm

Airbazar, I see lots of Indians traveling to see BKK on EK. I admit I made an assumption that the same was happening in the rest of se Asia
 
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Sat Feb 11, 2017 1:05 am

neutrino wrote:
MrHMSH wrote:
Although what SIN does have in its favour is that the country is very wealthy.

The country is very wealthy, most of the people not.


....and Singapore is flush with US dollars that they can't get rid off.
 
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Re: SIA signs LOI for 39 Boeing Aircraft

Sat Feb 11, 2017 2:19 am

This from Reuters suggests Airbus offered the standard A350 1000, not the mooted stretch, in this competition.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-singa ... SKBN15O001
 
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Sat Feb 11, 2017 2:53 am

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True, yet the A350-1000 has a wider customer base than the 777x FWIW. More blue-chip customers also.

How so? While I guess you can define "blue chip" a bit differently, I count four such buyers for the A350-1000: UA, CX, BA, JL. My guess is most would agree that neither LATAM, Iran Air, Etihad, Qatar, Asiana nor Virgin Atlantic qualify as blue chip, though they're by no means low-tier airlines either. By the same standard, I count four for the 777X also: LH, NH, CX and SQ, leaving out Emirates, Qatar, Etihad and Iran Air. Ironically, if you include all the Gulf airlines in the blue chip category (and such an argument could be made, especially in the case of Emirates), you end up with more such customers for the 777X than for the A350-1000.
 
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Sat Feb 11, 2017 5:14 am

ThReaTeN wrote:
zkojq wrote:
True, yet the A350-1000 has a wider customer base than the 777x FWIW. More blue-chip customers also.

How so? While I guess you can define "blue chip" a bit differently, I count four such buyers for the A350-1000: UA, CX, BA, JL. My guess is most would agree that neither LATAM, Iran Air, Etihad, Qatar, Asiana nor Virgin Atlantic qualify as blue chip, though they're by no means low-tier airlines either. By the same standard, I count four for the 777X also: LH, NH, CX and SQ, leaving out Emirates, Qatar, Etihad and Iran Air. Ironically, if you include all the Gulf airlines in the blue chip category (and such an argument could be made, especially in the case of Emirates), you end up with more such customers for the 777X than for the A350-1000.


I'm wondering what definition of blue chip excludes the ME3, VS and Asiana? Financial and/or quality?
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Sat Feb 11, 2017 6:23 am

The first of the 2013 order of 30 787-10s will start to be delivered next year whilst the 19 soon-to-be ordered birds will initially be ready for revenue service in 2020. The question is; does that mean the earlier batch of 30 will all be in the hands of SIA group in the two or almost three year period? That's plenty of wide-bodies in such a short time, and that's not including the numerous A350s and small handful of A380s of which some will also come on stream in that time frame.
How many current frames will leave the fleet in the next 3 years?
As a side note, Scoot has another 8 Dreamliners (4 each of -8 and -9) in the pipeline.
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Re: SIA signs LOI for 39 Boeing Aircraft

Sat Feb 11, 2017 7:47 am

zkojq wrote:
True, yet the A350-1000 has a wider customer base than the 777x FWIW. More blue-chip customers also.


Funny, this could come across as two adolescents arguing:
A: Mine is bigger because it's wider, including the base.
B: No, mine is because it's longer.
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