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Re: German government thinking about saving former D-ABCE "Landshut" from scrapping

Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:01 pm

I tend to refer to an execution as following a trial and conviction.

The pilot was murdered.

It would be good to see it restored, but I wonder how much of the original aircraft is left.
 
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Re: German government thinking about saving former D-ABCE "Landshut" from scrapping

Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:11 pm

Revelation wrote:
As a non-German, I wonder how much importance does the current German people give to the history of these events 40 years ago?


I was 11 years old when the hijacking happenend. I remember to this day the only time I saw my dad going wild the morning after the hostages were freed. He opened the newspaper and yelled though the whole house "We won!".

But honestly, I'd say that most people would not want to have the government spend money on the plane. Even I am not sure if it would be a good idea. We Germans have lost the appetite for monuments, I suppose.

bennett123 wrote:
I tend to refer to an execution as following a trial and conviction.

The pilot was murdered.


I think we can agree that he was murdered execution-style.
 
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Re: German government thinking about saving former D-ABCE "Landshut" from scrapping

Thu Feb 16, 2017 2:38 pm

leleko747 wrote:
Hello guys and girls,
my name is Leonardo Mello and i'm a member of a Planespotting group called "TMA Fortaleza" (Our Facebook / Instagram / Flickr )

This 737 is indeed stored here for a long time since our local airline TAF Linhas Aéreas shut down operations.
It has been sitting derelict on a corrosion corner, together with other several aircraft (727, DC-3, other 737-200s).
The DC-3 your pic show was spared from her tragic fate: they were bought by the owner of Helisul Taxi Aereo in Curitiba, Brazil.
They were sent to Curitiba (by truck) to be restored and put into display in his farm. The ATA Brasil B737-200 PR-LSW, also a member of Fortaleza's corrosion corner, is also being dismantled to be restored in his farm.

Back to the "Landshut": here are a few pictures a friend of mine took (they're more recent that the ones posted before):

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The plane is indeed very worn out because of the long storage. However, at least the fuselage is intact (the #1 engine needs new cowlings, but that's pretty much all).
I was seeing the previous posts about how this plane could be ferried to Germany. Besides the sea transport, couldn't a chartered Antonov An-124 do the job?
Fortaleza's runway is 2545 meters long and we've handled An-124, Boeing 747 and other large jets before. It would surely be an eye catching operation.

Cheers,
Leonardo


Hi Leonardo, seems your friend's pictures are famous now. Apparently Germany's dpa is using them. Here you got two of them in an article from german newspaper "Welt". They just changed color intensity and contrast a bit....

https://www.welt.de/geschichte/raf/article162129555/Deutschlands-beruehmtestes-Flugzeug-steht-in-Brasilien.html

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Re: German government thinking about saving former D-ABCE "Landshut" from scrapping

Thu Feb 16, 2017 4:13 pm

DABYT wrote:
LH's former D-ABCE, better known as "Landshut" that was hijacked in 1977 performing Lufthansa flight 181, is up for sale after being stored in Fortaleza, Brazil since 2008. German foreign minister Gabriel called the 737 a "vivid witness" of German history. Germany's ministry for foreign affaires is trying to work out how to help preserve the aircraft and prevent it from being scrapped.

More info here (German only, sorry): http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/f-a-z-exklusiv-verschrottung-der-landshut-soll-verhindert-werden-14871479.html

I wonder if it's really worth saving it. It's not airworthy and looks pretty bad.....

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I believe this was the incident where the pilot escaped from the airplane, but he felt guilty about his pax and returned, and was promptly shot by the hijackers. I remember the name of the airplane because I knew the city it was named after.
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Re: German government thinking about saving former D-ABCE "Landshut" from scrapping

Thu Feb 16, 2017 4:14 pm

What's interesting is that the engines are still there- normally with retired and dumped a/c, the engines are the first to go.
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Re: German government thinking about saving former D-ABCE "Landshut" from scrapping

Thu Feb 16, 2017 5:38 pm

planeophilic wrote:
I believe this was the incident where the pilot escaped from the airplane, but he felt guilty about his pax and returned, and was promptly shot by the hijackers. I remember the name of the airplane because I knew the city it was named after.

Actually the Captain did not escape. He was allowed to leave the aircraft to check its airworthiness because the Aden authorities had denied landing and thus blocked both runways which led to an emergency landing on a sandstrip next to the runway. To check for possible damages the hijackers allowed the Captain to leave the aircraft.
 
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Re: German government thinking about saving former D-ABCE "Landshut" from scrapping

Thu Feb 16, 2017 5:42 pm

DABYT wrote:
planeophilic wrote:
I believe this was the incident where the pilot escaped from the airplane, but he felt guilty about his pax and returned, and was promptly shot by the hijackers. I remember the name of the airplane because I knew the city it was named after.

Actually the Captain did not escape. He was allowed to leave the aircraft to check its airworthiness because the Aden authorities had denied landing and thus blocked both runways which led to an emergency landing on a sandstrip next to the runway. To check for possible damages the hijackers allowed the Captain to leave the aircraft.


Ahh..Okay.
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Re: German government thinking about saving former D-ABCE "Landshut" from scrapping

Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:07 pm

DABYT wrote:
Hi Leonardo, seems your friend's pictures are famous now. Apparently Germany's dpa is using them. Here you got two of them in an article from german newspaper "Welt". They just changed color intensity and contrast a bit....


Thanks for pointing that out!
It also seems they managed to remove the watermark from our group...
However, my friend sent these images to a person representing the German gentlemen that visited the aircraft here.
I think this person removed the watermark. Anyway, i'll let him know about that.
I wonder when people will understand:
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Re: German government thinking about saving former D-ABCE "Landshut" from scrapping

Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:04 pm

I have just seen a link to a travel book article on the matter placed prominently on BILD's German webpage (bild,de). Wonder if that will push the cause.
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Re: German government thinking about saving former D-ABCE "Landshut" from scrapping

Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:39 pm

I think the captain managed to provide information about the hijackers to the authorities before he got killed. This made the successful storming possible, The passengers had been prepared to get killed too they were sprayed in their seats by the terrorists onboard with duty free alcohol to make them "burn better".
 
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Re: German government thinking about saving former D-ABCE "Landshut" from scrapping

Fri Feb 24, 2017 6:04 pm

Just heard in the radio here:
There is an offer around to display it at Flensburg Schäferhaus EDXF.
"connecting link" is the CoPilots home town Flensburg.
http://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/schleswig ... ut108.html
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Re: German government thinking about saving former D-ABCE "Landshut" from scrapping

Sat Jul 15, 2017 4:10 pm

After some months of silence the german government apparently bought the aircraft from Fortaleza Airport. According to Brazilian Folha de S. Paulo they paid 20.000€.

Source (german only): https://www.swr.de/swraktuell/flugzeug-wurde-wegen-raf-entfuehrt-bundesregierung-soll-landshut-gekauft-haben/-/id=396/did=19857854/nid=396/1gcybmx/index.html
 
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Re: German government thinking about saving former D-ABCE "Landshut" from scrapping

Sun Jul 16, 2017 6:41 am

another final resting place could be Friedrichshafen on Lake Constance. and they want the aircraft over here i time fr the anniversary. Which means that one of the LEJ based An124 can take a Job going ito the opposite direction for a change.
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Re: German government thinking about saving former D-ABCE "Landshut" from scrapping

Sun Jul 16, 2017 4:15 pm

Shipping it across and renovation will be the big costs.
 
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Re: German government thinking about saving former D-ABCE "Landshut" from scrapping

Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:10 am

An airplane should be preserved because it's an airplane, not because some crime was committed aboard it.
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Re: German government thinking about saving former D-ABCE "Landshut" from scrapping

Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:35 am

Hello everyone!
Last week, a few people were taking measurements of the aircraft here in Fortaleza.
They're much probably preparing to dismantle the aircraft and load it on a flatbed.

It seems that she will be transported by ship to Germany.
Any news about that?

Brazilian Government gave them 180 days to remove the aircraft (this was a while ago, the deadline should be around October or November).
I wonder when people will understand:
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Re: German government thinking about saving former D-ABCE "Landshut" from scrapping

Tue Jul 18, 2017 1:01 pm

Haven't seen any update in the News here. If they want to meet the anniversary Deadline an An124 would be the best. The Antonov also has the adantage that the fuselage, wings etc would Need minimal packing, whilst ocean shipping would require a number crates. BBC Liner has a vessel in Fortaleza every 3 weeks and the voyage takes about 4 weeks. They are better equipped for break bulk than a box carrier. if Friedrichshafen is the final resting place the An could deliver the Boeing right there.
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Re: German government thinking about saving former D-ABCE "Landshut" from scrapping

Tue Jul 18, 2017 1:27 pm

The Germans should call Bob Bogash...he will fix the 737......
 
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Tue Jul 18, 2017 2:45 pm

ojjunior wrote:
First question: How did the Germans allowed this bird to be sent overseas at first place?


Lufthansa sold the plane in 1985 to US startup Presidential Airways, and then it ended up with TAF down in Brazil until 2008 when they stored it.
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Re: German government thinking about saving former D-ABCE "Landshut" from scrapping

Wed Jul 19, 2017 5:31 am

Super80Fan wrote:
ojjunior wrote:
First question: How did the Germans allowed this bird to be sent overseas at first place?


Lufthansa sold the plane in 1985 to US startup Presidential Airways, and then it ended up with TAF down in Brazil until 2008 when they stored it.


On September 5,1985 I ferried it from Frankurt to Paine Field (with several stops for fuel on the way) where it was painted prior to joining Presidential Airways. Looked a lot better then -- didn't realize it had such a history.
 
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Re: German government thinking about saving former D-ABCE "Landshut" from scrapping

Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:15 am

7BOEING7 wrote:
Super80Fan wrote:
ojjunior wrote:
First question: How did the Germans allowed this bird to be sent overseas at first place?


Lufthansa sold the plane in 1985 to US startup Presidential Airways, and then it ended up with TAF down in Brazil until 2008 when they stored it.


On September 5,1985 I ferried it from Frankurt to Paine Field (with several stops for fuel on the way) where it was painted prior to joining Presidential Airways. Looked a lot better then -- didn't realize it had such a history.


And I believe you did not photograph this event, right?
 
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Re: German government thinking about saving former D-ABCE "Landshut" from scrapping

Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:37 am

7BOEING7 wrote:
On September 5,1985 I ferried it from Frankurt to Paine Field (with several stops for fuel on the way) where it was painted prior to joining Presidential Airways. Looked a lot better then -- didn't realize it had such a history.

Wow, did you ferry all three ex-LH 737's from Frankfurt? (... in that case we have "seen" each other before, I was the teenager standing at the fence, you remember? ;-) ...)
 
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Re: German government thinking about saving former D-ABCE "Landshut" from scrapping

Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:25 am

Some additional information: http://m.bild.de/politik/inland/lufthan ... obile.html

- will be dismantled by LH experts
- transport to the Luft- und Raumfahrtmuseums in Friedrichshafen

The article mentions the option of transporting the 737 by Antonov as well.

Another article, for those who don't like Bild.... no, I never ever read Bild... ;-)
https://www.swr.de/swraktuell/bw/landsh ... index.html
 
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Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:57 am

PanHAM wrote:
LGAviation wrote:
PanHAM wrote:
In an election year the government will hardly waste a 7 Digit amount, bsides, governments don't have Money, they have to ask the parliment for the Budget. Sea/Land Transport takes some moe time but will come ot a lot less expensive


When you're holding almost 80 pc of seats in Parliament, that certainly isn't the problem.


That's not how politicians work, especially when 2 parties are involved and the legislation to acquire the 737 would nee much more time than the March Deadline allows.

Even the LH manageent would need a supervisory board approval to buy their former aircraft. Andi could imagine that Fortaleza Airport would npt allow too much time to move the 737 from ist present Location. Realistily, time is running out



From the article, it seems that luckily they've chosen the option of getting BILD involved and have funds eventually magically appear from everywhere :D In all seriousness, I'm glad they found a way and I guess that October deadline is fairly ambitious. I am not sure though if legislation is or was strictly necessary or if it is or was within the discretion of the Foreign Office or the Federal Cabinet given the smallish amounts in question.
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Thu Jul 27, 2017 6:40 am

Last week I said (if you scroll up a few Posts) that the An124 would be the best choice. And the only one. LH experts dismantle the 732 and they will restore the aircraft on site in FDH.
The way to finance alll that, about 2 Million € . through a foundation, is the least complicated. The government simply cannot dip into the federal Budget without authorization by the parliament and that takes time.

So, let's all be happy and welcome the aircraft back.
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