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Delta to add up too 25,000 jobs over five years

Sat Feb 11, 2017 11:30 am

Interesting.

DL now jumping into the jobs game with Boeing.

http://www.ajc.com/business/delta-hire-000-workers-ceo-meets-with-trump/YEONpBVDCVTgm5eP3qQp9L/


Before anyone gets too excited, the majority of this will be back filling and adding pilots and FAs (which the company has been hiring 1,000s for the last few years and will only grow as the pilot bubble at DL is getting close to busting)

but on the flip side, there have been some rumors of new capabilities and expansion at TechOps and hopefully the above is a part of at least some of that. Hopefully this means more in-house engine, component and airframe work especially on the red tail fleet. (things like red tail engines CFM56-5A, PW4168, landing gear and APUs, and Airbus specific components)
 
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Re: Delta to add up too 25,000 jobs over five years

Sat Feb 11, 2017 2:49 pm

Great news! Maybe they'll hire former interns who didn't get a full time offer and play CEO online?
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Re: Delta to add up too 25,000 jobs over five years

Sat Feb 11, 2017 3:05 pm

LOL I wonder who Bastian is trying to impress now more feel good news from the Delta propaganda media team . "Atlanta-based Delta has about 80,000 employees around the world, and hires regularly in some areas due to turnover. The 25,000 figure includes a combination of growth and backfilling attrition, but Delta did not specify the breakdown." This means Delta will grow it's work force by about one third that just isn't going to happen at all tell us what the total job gain is going to be. How are you going to grow the work force when you are committed to reducing capacity every quarter. This just doesn't add up it's like 1+1=4
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Re: Delta to add up too 25,000 jobs over five years

Sat Feb 11, 2017 3:11 pm

compensateme wrote:
Great news! Maybe they'll hire former interns who didn't get a full time offer and play CEO online?

ahhh now we know your story.

Welp, Go to Delta.com maybe they will have something you are qualified for. ;)

klm617 wrote:
LOL I wonder who Bastian is trying to impress now more feel good news from the Delta propaganda media team . "Atlanta-based Delta has about 80,000 employees around the world, and hires regularly in some areas due to turnover. The 25,000 figure includes a combination of growth and backfilling attrition, but Delta did not specify the breakdown." This means Delta will grow it's work force by about one third that just isn't going to happen at all tell us what the total job gain is going to be. How are you going to grow the work force when you are committed to reducing capacity every quarter. This just doesn't add up it's like 1+1=4


Thats kind of the point.

its just PR fluff to play the political game. I'd bet, low balling, 70% is back fill. Like i said, DL is about to start losing a fair amount of pilots and i'd assume FAs YOY from the bankruptcy holiday (i.e. all the senior people that left before the pensions and benefits got whacked)


but hopefully some of that number is IT people. :duck: :duck: :duck:
 
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Re: Delta to add up too 25,000 jobs over five years

Sat Feb 11, 2017 3:22 pm

25K more people to share profit sharing with? :melting:
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Re: Delta to add up too 25,000 jobs over five years

Sat Feb 11, 2017 3:50 pm

Are a lot of the entry level jobs at Delta flexible staffing, ready reserve, with no benefits? I mean are we talking quality jobs here, or will Delta be replacing a lot of former full-time benefitted employees with lower cost workers?
 
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Re: Delta to add up too 25,000 jobs over five years

Sat Feb 11, 2017 4:11 pm

flymco753 wrote:
25K more people to share profit sharing with? :melting:


so many workers needed to reclaim borrowed out parts :-?
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Re: Delta to add up too 25,000 jobs over five years

Sat Feb 11, 2017 4:36 pm

Very deceptive. Not "adding" 25,000 jobs. They have basically zero fleet growth.
 
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Re: Delta to add up too 25,000 jobs over five years

Sat Feb 11, 2017 4:40 pm

enilria wrote:
Very deceptive. Not "adding" 25,000 jobs. They have basically zero fleet growth.


Agree, deceptive. If you lose 20,000 people and hire 25,000 you are only adding 5,000 jobs (made up number as a breakdown is not available) And the timing of which is suspect -- I wouldn't be surprised if they are publishing this now to enhance the appearance of Trump's impact on US jobs and thus gain some favor in the President's eyes.
 
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Re: Delta to add up too 25,000 jobs over five years

Sat Feb 11, 2017 4:42 pm

As Holly Hegeman pointed out a couple days ago when this first came out, this is a totally empty commitment.

In the the past 3-years DL has already hired 20k, so any commitment to hire 25k in 5-years is nothing more than PR double speak.
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Re: Delta to add up too 25,000 jobs over five years

Sat Feb 11, 2017 4:45 pm

WIederling wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
25K more people to share profit sharing with? :melting:


so many workers needed to reclaim borrowed out parts :-?


This goes on my list of candidates for best post of 2017 :-)
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Re: Delta to add up too 25,000 jobs over five years

Sat Feb 11, 2017 4:45 pm

I believe the word we're reaching for is pandering.
 
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Re: Delta to add up too 25,000 jobs over five years

Sat Feb 11, 2017 4:54 pm

deltal1011man wrote:
ahhh now we know your story.


Given your internship was four years ago, won't hurt to apply again. Follow your dreams ;).
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Re: Delta to add up too 25,000 jobs over five years

Sat Feb 11, 2017 5:19 pm

enilria wrote:
Very deceptive. Not "adding" 25,000 jobs. They have basically zero fleet growth.


The error is the OP's title. The AJC's headline and story uses 'hire' not 'add'.
 
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Re: Delta to add up too 25,000 jobs over five years

Sat Feb 11, 2017 7:08 pm

flyboy80 wrote:
Are a lot of the entry level jobs at Delta flexible staffing, ready reserve, with no benefits? I mean are we talking quality jobs here, or will Delta be replacing a lot of former full-time benefitted employees with lower cost workers?


If you want to work in ACS, yes. That is how it's done these days if that is how you want to get into Delta. It can be challenging to move up to depending on the station as it's for most regular jobs seniority based.

In other jobs/divisions it is different, e.g. pilots/FAs/corporate jobs.

DL has a lot of senior people so it's no surprise that they'll need to hire 25k over the next 5 years as I'll guess 20k will be retiring/leaving within that same time frame.
 
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Re: Delta to add up too 25,000 jobs over five years

Sat Feb 11, 2017 7:31 pm

Regardless of the spin or not, hiring is a good thing.

Delta Tech Ops is a great asset and no doubt that is another frontier they can grow and expand.
 
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Re: Delta to add up too 25,000 jobs over five years

Sat Feb 11, 2017 7:45 pm

Not to mention, they could include their owned subsidiaries in that number...
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Re: Delta to add up too 25,000 jobs over five years

Sat Feb 11, 2017 7:48 pm

enilria wrote:
Very deceptive. Not "adding" 25,000 jobs. They have basically zero fleet growth.


Did you ever think that if you have an airplane that flies 10 hours per day what happens when you fly it 13 hours per day instead ? Times hundreds of airplanes next.

No fleet growth but more employees needed to do that.

That is what UAL is doing instead of taking deliveries of the canceled 737 -7
 
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Re: Delta to add up too 25,000 jobs over five years

Sat Feb 11, 2017 7:50 pm

flymco753 wrote:
25K more people to share profit sharing with? :melting:


It seems pretty clear that this is total hiring, not net hiring. So if 30,000 people retire, quit, or get fired, and 25,000 get hired, there are actually 5K fewer people to share profit sharing.
 
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Re: Delta to add up too 25,000 jobs over five years

Sat Feb 11, 2017 9:51 pm

I personally hired five people away from DL last week, all of whom were Ready Reserve and said the same thing - they'd have stayed if DL had valued them enough to make them "regular" employees. Hopefully these positions DL plans to add (really, backfilling attrition for the most part) won't be more RR employees.
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Re: Delta to add up too 25,000 jobs over five years

Sat Feb 11, 2017 9:54 pm

Nothing more than corporate PR spin. It could end up being a reduction in overall jobs for all we know. The number of pilot retirements alone in the next five years is a few thousand.
 
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Re: Delta to add up too 25,000 jobs over five years

Sat Feb 11, 2017 10:06 pm

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Great news! Maybe they'll hire former interns who didn't get a full time offer and play CEO online?

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Re: Delta to add up too 25,000 jobs over five years

Sat Feb 11, 2017 10:10 pm

I'm usually a fan of Delta, but this press release was to curry favor with the Trump administration, and nothing more. As mentioned, this will include those that that are hired as a result of turnover. Very deceptive!
 
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Re: Delta to add up too 25,000 jobs over five years

Sun Feb 12, 2017 12:07 am

flyboy80 wrote:
Are a lot of the entry level jobs at Delta flexible staffing, ready reserve, with no benefits? I mean are we talking quality jobs here, or will Delta be replacing a lot of former full-time benefitted employees with lower cost workers?


Delta does not use ready reserve or any reserve system. Everyone has a schedule. New hires and f/a's up to a certain seniority have "A" days (depends on the base how senior that gets) which means they are available to fly on those days. Most everyone goes to the open board or trades with another f/a to fill the time.

There are a lot of retirements in the works for both pilots and f/a's. They did not offer an "early out" this year for the f/a's but when they do again there will be a lot that will take the money and run. There will be a slight net increase in employees but it depends on the overall fleet size, new deliveries and aircraft retirements. The 744's will be gone by next year as well as a retirement of MD-88's as they time out. There are still the A350's, C100's and a boatload of 737's to be delivered but it will pretty much be on a one for one basis with a minimal net increase every year on capacity.

DL had over 200,000 applicants last year for f/a positions alone. Just processing them is a major project--actually getting hired is really tough. Making it through 8 weeks of training and being qualified on every type of aircraft Delta operates takes a good mind and attention to detail. They seem to give a lot of preference to "heritage" applicants (sons and daughters of existing employees) which is good. I know a lot of parent/child f/a's that get to fly together occasionally and if mom or dad has a good record there is a good chance they will be hired.

It is a great company to work for and most employees are very satisfied with their jobs. At company social functions it is fun to see the CEO and senior executives pouring wine for the rank and file and chatting them up.

All of these employees are full time with full benefits.
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Re: Delta to add up too 25,000 jobs over five years

Sun Feb 12, 2017 1:21 am

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I personally hired five people away from DL last week, all of whom were Ready Reserve and said the same thing - they'd have stayed if DL had valued them enough to make them "regular" employees.


DTWPurserBoy wrote:
Delta does not use ready reserve or any reserve system.


So not just one but five DL employees wanted out so badly that they lied about being on ready reserve? Wow -- that says a lot about the culture and employee morale.
 
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Re: Delta to add up too 25,000 jobs over five years

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IPFreely wrote:
EA CO AS wrote:
I personally hired five people away from DL last week, all of whom were Ready Reserve and said the same thing - they'd have stayed if DL had valued them enough to make them "regular" employees.


DTWPurserBoy wrote:
Delta does not use ready reserve or any reserve system.


So not just one but five DL employees wanted out so badly that they lied about being on ready reserve? Wow -- that says a lot about the culture and employee morale.


Idk where DTWPurserBoy is getting their info from, but there are ready reserve gate agents, ramp agents, cargo agents and probably a few other departments as well.
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Re: Delta to add up too 25,000 jobs over five years

Sun Feb 12, 2017 4:01 am

Given that a Delta job web site has numerous career opportunities with Ready Reserve right in the listing title maybe a few people don't know their airline very well.

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Re: Delta to add up too 25,000 jobs over five years

Sun Feb 12, 2017 4:17 am

MIflyer12 wrote:
Given that a Delta job web site has numerous career opportunities with Ready Reserve right in the listing title maybe a few people don't know their airline very well.

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If Delta really has 200,000 job applicants per year, I wonder why some jobs on that list have not been filled after 4-8 months?

Is it possible that there is an IT problem here and that filled jobs are not deleted from the database?
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Re: Delta to add up too 25,000 jobs over five years

Sun Feb 12, 2017 4:33 am

jetmatt777 wrote:
Agree, deceptive. If you lose 20,000 people and hire 25,000 you are only adding 5,000 jobs (made up number as a breakdown is not available) And the timing of which is suspect -- I wouldn't be surprised if they are publishing this now to enhance the appearance of Trump's impact on US jobs and thus gain some favor in the President's eyes.

Not even 5,000 if adding 25,000 positions which are less than full-time.
 
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Re: Delta to add up too 25,000 jobs over five years

Sun Feb 12, 2017 6:37 am

11725Flyer wrote:
I'm usually a fan of Delta, but this press release was to curry favor with the Trump administration, and nothing more. As mentioned, this will include those that that are hired as a result of turnover. Very deceptive!


So basically Delta are hiring new people, a net growth regardless of turnover - but you're upset because Trump can cash in a political point on it?
 
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Re: Delta to add up too 25,000 jobs over five years

Sun Feb 12, 2017 10:42 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
Given that a Delta job web site has numerous career opportunities with Ready Reserve right in the listing title maybe a few people don't know their airline very well.


I would say someone has been identified as a non-employee fanboy.

BobPatterson wrote:
Is it possible that there is an IT problem here and that filled jobs are not deleted from the database?


IT problems at Delta? Say it isn't so..
 
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Re: Delta to add up too 25,000 jobs over five years

Mon Feb 13, 2017 4:55 am

DTW Purserboy, I think you were thinking of only flight crews. Delta does have ready reserves in other job classifications.

In all honesty, when you're a crew member (guilty) you sometimes forget how other departments staffing is organized.
 
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Re: Delta to add up too 25,000 jobs over five years

Mon Feb 13, 2017 7:40 am

Three years as a ready reserve was tough, but you couldn't pay me enough to go IFS. Talk about unskilled labor.
 
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Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:22 pm

Prost wrote:
DTW Purserboy, I think you were thinking of only flight crews. Delta does have ready reserves in other job classifications.

In all honesty, when you're a crew member (guilty) you sometimes forget how other departments staffing is organized.

That is true. I was referring only to flight crews.
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Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:24 pm

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Three years as a ready reserve was tough, but you couldn't pay me enough to go IFS. Talk about unskilled labor.

Not hardly. Most of use have at least two years of college and the majority have a degree, some with advanced degrees including MS, MSN, MD, JD and others. We are most definitely NOT unskilled. Delta can afford to be choosy.
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Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:17 am

jethawk wrote:
Three years as a ready reserve was tough, but you couldn't pay me enough to go IFS. Talk about unskilled labor.


Now let's be real. You could be paid enough -- I would imagine you would happily work in flight services for a few million dollars a year. You just won't do it for what the actual pay is, which is a different story.

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