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Northwest1988
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Classic airliners soon to be retired. What will be missed and what won't?

Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:59 am

Hello all,

So in the near future, we are going to see the phase out of once common airliners. The drawdown has already begun for some and the phaseout will begin soon for others. Some will be missed terribly and others not at all. Which ones come to mind? Here are just a few...

MD-80:
American, Allegiant and Delta all set to have the type retired by 2020.

737-300:
Southwest set to retire the type this year.

747:
Delta and United set to retire the type this year.

Dash 8-100/200/300
Although no specific date or phase out plan has been announced (correct me if I'm wrong) the Piedmont planes are really getting up there and with ERJs entering the fleet, it's just a matter of time.
 
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Re: Classic airliners soon to be retired. What will be missed and what won't?

Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:21 am

Won't be for a while butI personally will mis the 767 when it goes.Great seating and a nice plane to fly on all round.Not counting the -400 it really was a MOM aircraft.The present 'replacements' (esp in Y class) are the X9 788 or the X6 narrowbodied A321lr .Neither hold a candle to the 767.Sadly I fear neither will any new aircraft the way they think these days.
 
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Re: Classic airliners soon to be retired. What will be missed and what won't?

Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:22 am

The 747 will certainly be missed, although the worn interiors of old LH 747s won't.

The MD80s will be missed most, IMHO, because this is one of the last unconventional narrowbodies with engines at the back. Also, those were nice old noisy smokey dinosaurs.

Interesting is what you have not mentioned: The 757 will be gone in the mid-term and it WILL be missed because of its high power takeoffs.
 
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Re: Classic airliners soon to be retired. What will be missed and what won't?

Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:43 am

I don't miss the small regional aircraft like Metroliners and Jetstreams because the seating was so tight in there. However as some sort of "collector's item"-experience they are a piece of history for sure.
To me it's surprising every time again how comfortable modern regional aircraft have become.
 
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Re: Classic airliners soon to be retired. What will be missed and what won't?

Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:46 am

Not sure if its gone already or not (saw it on FR24 in December) .... the BN Trilander

Don't think it'll be missed by many, if any at all.
 
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Re: Classic airliners soon to be retired. What will be missed and what won't?

Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:49 am

Sorry to sound perhaps either blasé or a bit of a "nostalgia snob', but I struggle to define above aircrafts as classics... Yes, it will be sad when the MD-80s finally go, and surely when (if? ;-)) the 757 is retired, but honestly all the real classics are already relegated to history books as far as I am concerned....
 
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Re: Classic airliners soon to be retired. What will be missed and what won't?

Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:52 am

Agreed about the MD-80! By far my personal favorite! When they are gone it will be all the same wing mounted engines for the most part!
 
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Re: Classic airliners soon to be retired. What will be missed and what won't?

Wed Feb 15, 2017 12:02 pm

Will the public even notice? The 747 is iconic, but a slow fade is tough to notice.

The MD-80s were everywhere, but so are CRJs and E-145s. Will anyone of a.net really notice? And between now and 2020 is a long time. AA has been retiring the type for years. Really only the pilots notice.

As to turboprops, I doubt anyone will miss them.

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Re: Classic airliners soon to be retired. What will be missed and what won't?

Wed Feb 15, 2017 12:09 pm

The number of active BAe ATP's is also dwindling pretty fast. The last passenger operator, NextJet seem to be down from 5 to 3 flying examples recently (With 2 active at a time), and the rumors around the airport say this is their last year in service. They are quickly running out of both cycles and avaiable spares. Two ATR-72-200's have already been wetleased on a rather long contract as part replacement, and there is a wetleased CRJ-200 on its way in aswell. The main cargo operator of the type, West Air has also parked a whole bunch of their ATP's, partly after losing their contract with the swedish post about a year ago.

Will these be missed? Well, by the one's working with the planes - not really. By the passengers? Don't know...
 
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Re: Classic airliners soon to be retired. What will be missed and what won't?

Wed Feb 15, 2017 12:24 pm

ATR and Q400 are okay to me and are alive and kickin'.
 
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Re: Classic airliners soon to be retired. What will be missed and what won't?

Wed Feb 15, 2017 12:25 pm

I spent a lot of time on DC-9 family aircraft. Not so much on early 737s or 757s. Never got to fly the 747. I don't really miss the 727 either, they always felt crowded to me. The plane I miss the most is the DC8-51. I found it comfortable in even the middle seat and I thought it had inherently the best ride and landing feel of any of the early jets. The CV880 was fun, because you felt like you were in a sports car.
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Re: Classic airliners soon to be retired. What will be missed and what won't?

Wed Feb 15, 2017 12:48 pm

Maybe the issue is more one of classic interiors and service than of classic airliners? I miss the AA 738s as first delivered, which were super comfortable in both classes, and 24F 752s on various carriers.
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Re: Classic airliners soon to be retired. What will be missed and what won't?

Wed Feb 15, 2017 1:05 pm

I'll miss the RB211 on the 757 when they go - you know one when it pulls on stand - the CFM/IAE/PW's don't have that same sucking/hiss/whine sound.
 
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Re: Classic airliners soon to be retired. What will be missed and what won't?

Wed Feb 15, 2017 1:19 pm

The most I miss from the retirement of the "classics", are the diversity of solutions in aircraft industry. Before, in an airport, you could see many shapes (twin, tri and quad jets, mixed with convetional and T tails). Soon all we got to see are twin engined airplanes, diferenced only by the size. Other thing I miss, is the noise. Few days back I was remembering the noise of the BAC 1-11 and the 727. Lovely days.
 
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Re: Classic airliners soon to be retired. What will be missed and what won't?

Wed Feb 15, 2017 1:21 pm

I miss all the eastern european stuff for sure. Forgotten brands and types on weekly flights to funny places.
 
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Re: Classic airliners soon to be retired. What will be missed and what won't?

Wed Feb 15, 2017 1:55 pm

oldannyboy wrote:
Sorry to sound perhaps either blasé or a bit of a "nostalgia snob', but I struggle to define above aircrafts as classics... Yes, it will be sad when the MD-80s finally go, and surely when (if? ;-)) the 757 is retired, but honestly all the real classics are already relegated to history books as far as I am concerned....


What makes a classic is often the test of time and fond memories. A 707 or even a Connie wasn't a classic to people riding on them in the 50s or 60s, they were just an airplane, perhaps a new shiny one to get excited about, like a 787 or an A350, but a contemporary airplane. NOW they are both classics as will be the MD-80 and of course the rocket - the 757.
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Re: Classic airliners soon to be retired. What will be missed and what won't?

Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:51 pm

MikeyESSA wrote:
The number of active BAe ATP's is also dwindling pretty fast. The last passenger operator, NextJet seem to be down from 5 to 3 flying examples recently (With 2 active at a time), and the rumors around the airport say this is their last year in service. They are quickly running out of both cycles and avaiable spares. Two ATR-72-200's have already been wetleased on a rather long contract as part replacement, and there is a wetleased CRJ-200 on its way in aswell. The main cargo operator of the type, West Air has also parked a whole bunch of their ATP's, partly after losing their contract with the swedish post about a year ago.

Will these be missed? Well, by the one's working with the planes - not really. By the passengers? Don't know...


Don't anyone forget the Fokkers - plenty of F-70 and F-100 still hauling pax around as well as a number of Saab 340 and 2000 aircraft.Believe there is still a Convair 580 still flying in New Zealand......

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Re: Classic airliners soon to be retired. What will be missed and what won't?

Wed Feb 15, 2017 6:02 pm

I miss the DC-8 and L1011.
 
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Re: Classic airliners soon to be retired. What will be missed and what won't?

Wed Feb 15, 2017 6:39 pm

The Airbus 340 will proabably be gone soon too. I for one is will miss it. The most elegant Aircraft still flying today.
 
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Re: Classic airliners soon to be retired. What will be missed and what won't?

Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:00 pm

Byron1976 wrote:
The most I miss from the retirement of the "classics", are the diversity of solutions in aircraft industry. Before, in an airport, you could see many shapes (twin, tri and quad jets, mixed with convetional and T tails). Soon all we got to see are twin engined airplanes, diferenced only by the size. Other thing I miss, is the noise. Few days back I was remembering the noise of the BAC 1-11 and the 727. Lovely days.


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Re: Classic airliners soon to be retired. What will be missed and what won't?

Thu Feb 16, 2017 4:05 am

Personally, I will miss the Beech 1900D when those are all gone. I love the 1-1 seating, and the fact that you are off in less than 5 minutes. I don't find them overly loud for short hops. BDL-YYZ and BDL-YUL is where I usually find them.
 
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Re: Classic airliners soon to be retired. What will be missed and what won't?

Thu Feb 16, 2017 4:32 am

One aircraft I definitely did not - and do not - miss is the Avro RJ/BAe 146. Never liked them; 6 abreast was horrible, particularly on a full flight.

As for those I do miss (and will miss) - certainly any 747; the 767 and its 2-3-2 livery, the A310/A300 - always very nice aircraft.
 
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Re: Classic airliners soon to be retired. What will be missed and what won't?

Thu Feb 16, 2017 4:54 am

Probably an unpopular opinion, but I'll miss Embraer-135 and 145 aircraft. They're fun to fly on and I love the sound those engines make on takeoff.
 
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Re: Classic airliners soon to be retired. What will be missed and what won't?

Thu Feb 16, 2017 5:23 am

I'm really surprised I'm the first person to mention that the MD-80 retirement is, I believe, the end of the JT8D in passenger service. That's really what I'll miss. Nothing else sounds like a low bypass jet engine.
 
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Re: Classic airliners soon to be retired. What will be missed and what won't?

Thu Feb 16, 2017 6:08 am

Anything that is not a conventional twin. Special mention to Trijets and MadDogs and the little Fokkers.
 
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Thu Feb 16, 2017 6:37 am

NYPECO wrote:
Probably an unpopular opinion, but I'll miss Embraer-135 and 145 aircraft. They're fun to fly on and I love the sound those engines make on takeoff.


I've always been a fan of the Embraer regionals actually. I like being able to have both an aisle and window seat, and these aircraft fit the bill while not being as cramped as the smaller turboprops and being faster and quieter than other aircraft with a similar layout (such as the SF340, though I also like the Saab).

I have to say I'll really miss the MD-80 series (as I miss the DC-9) as I have some early memories of flying on these aircraft. I'd imagine quite a few will be happy to see them go though, given how dated they can seem.
 
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Re: Classic airliners soon to be retired. What will be missed and what won't?

Thu Feb 16, 2017 7:04 am

You guys forgot Rutaca's 737-200
 
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Re: Classic airliners soon to be retired. What will be missed and what won't?

Thu Feb 16, 2017 7:40 am

kaitak wrote:
One aircraft I definitely did not - and do not - miss is the Avro RJ/BAe 146. Never liked them; 6 abreast was horrible, particularly on a full flight.


This is actually one type that I still have never flown and would like to before they're all retired. They do look tight inside, but they look cool to me on the outside, and the concept of an RJ with four jet engines seems very strange.
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Re: Classic airliners soon to be retired. What will be missed and what won't?

Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:28 am

dergay wrote:
Don't anyone forget the Fokkers - plenty of F-70 and F-100 still hauling pax around as well as a number of Saab 340 and 2000 aircraft.Believe there is still a Convair 580 still flying in New Zealand......

Hope still lives.................. :twocents:


Air Chathams in NZ currently has four CV580 registered per the NZ CAA. Hopefully they stay around a good while longer, as the Air Freight ones (including a CV5800, as well as the F27s) have gone and are missed. Oh, and Air Chathams have a DC-3.... fortunately I don't think that one's going anywhere. It's a very nice fleet for those who like the more classic types

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