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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Fri Aug 18, 2017 9:07 am

mjoelnir wrote:
teme82 wrote:
mjoelnir wrote:

Freight perhaps?

Nope but there is a lot of tourist buses on the bus area before the flight arrives. ;) a lot of Chinese people board them.... just saying....


So you do know that there is no freight? I did not mean an empty plane regarding passengers, but a need for cargo capacity supplied by the belly of the A330.

there might be some but CPH is not that big cargo hub for AY at all.
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Fri Aug 18, 2017 11:11 am

Wow air will replace the two A320CEO they have on lease from Avolon (CIT) with 2x A320NEO also leased from Avolon, the new A320NEOs will arrive in Q4 2018.
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:48 pm

WizzAir yesterday (10AUG17) announced further service expansion at Gdansk, as the airline announced the arrival of 6th based Airbus A320 aircraft at the Polish airport, commencing in December 2017. The arrival of new aircraft will allow the airline to introduce additional routes and flights, including following new routes.

Gdansk – Lisbon eff 23DEC17 2 weekly (Day 26)
Gdansk – Vilnius eff 21DEC17 3 weekly (Day 246)

Planned frequency increase from the week of 19DEC17 as follow:
Gdansk – Bergen Increase from 5 to 7 weekly
Gdansk – Eindhoven Increase from 5 to 7 weekly
Gdansk – Gothenburg Increase from 3 to 4 weekly
Gdansk – Hamburg Increase from 4 to 5 weekly
Gdansk – Malmo Increase from 5 to 7 weekly
Gdansk – Oslo Torp Increase from 7 to 11 weekly
Gdansk – Reykjavik Keflavik Increase from 2 to 3 weekly
Gdansk – Stockholm Skavsta Increase from 12 to 14 weekly
Gdansk – Turku Increase from 5 to 7 weekly

Previously reported, following service to/from Gdansk will receive A321 service, instead of A320, at the launch of winter season:
Gdansk – Aberdeen eff 31OCT17 2 weekly
Gdansk – Barcelona eff 29OCT17 2 weekly
Gdansk – Groningen eff 31OCT17 2 weekly
Gdansk – Kristiansand eff 31OCT17 2 weekly
Gdansk – Paris Beauvais eff 31OCT17 2 weekly
Gdansk – Trondheim eff 31OCT17 2 weekly (3 weekly 14DEC17 – 11JAN18)


Source:
http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... -dec-2017/
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:02 pm

According to RoutesOnline Helsinki Airport has become the world number one for airport content marketing.

Interesting article, it seems that Helsinki is number one with a significant margin. The margin is +44% compared to Vancouver which is in second place.

Source:
http://www.routesonline.com/news/29/bre ... marketing/
 
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Mon Aug 21, 2017 10:27 am

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Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:26 pm

The Privatair 737 has flown it's last flight on the CPH-BOS route, and SAS flew the A330 on the route yesterday.

https://finalcall.travel/da/farvel-tak- ... en-boston/
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Tue Aug 22, 2017 3:17 pm

Icelandair starts flying to Cleveland May 2018. The flights will be year round 4 times a week.

in Icelandic: http://www.mbl.is/vidskipti/frettir/201 ... cleveland/
 
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Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:54 pm

Why was the IndiGo A320 at Helsinki Airport yesterday?
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Wed Aug 23, 2017 3:10 pm

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Why was the IndiGo A320 at Helsinki Airport yesterday?


Ex-AA on its way to India (new reg VT-IHF).
 
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Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:13 pm

Jokerit Helsinki is currently on the first of a few road trips this season in the Kontinental Hockey League (KHL), once again using a Finnair A319:

http://footballcharters.blogspot.com/20 ... -2017.html
 
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Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:45 am

sAS has reduced frequency to Mia to 3xweekly. Does anyone know why this is? Is the market declining and doing poorly?
 
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Fri Aug 25, 2017 12:23 pm

Joelatbsl wrote:
Jokerit Helsinki is currently on the first of a few road trips this season in the Kontinental Hockey League (KHL), once again using a Finnair A319:

http://footballcharters.blogspot.com/20 ... -2017.html


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Fri Aug 25, 2017 12:50 pm

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SAS has reduced frequency to MIA to 3x weekly. Does anyone know why this is? Is the market declining and doing poorly?

I didn't notice that. It's strange that Finnair can make 3x weekly HEL-MIA work but SAS can't make 4x weekly service work even from CPH.
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Fri Aug 25, 2017 2:35 pm

MIa-hel is seasonal to Miami and I think SAS has an aircraft shortage. I mean how do you go from flying daily in the past 11 months and now suddenly drop to frequency to 3x weekly
 
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Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:01 pm

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MIa-hel is seasonal to Miami and I think SAS has an aircraft shortage. I mean how do you go from flying daily in the past 11 months and now suddenly drop to frequency to 3x weekly

Actually HEL-MIA will be year-round on/after Oct 2017. Finnair temporarily suspended the service in S17.
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Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:43 pm

If someone is interested:

Behramjee wrote last year in "QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13"-thread:

"HEL-Asia demand in 2015 was quite decent (point to point itself without transit). The numbers are as follows (round trip): "

    Bangkok (BKK) - 151,000
    Tokyo (NRT) - 92,000
    Dubai (DXB) - 68,000
    Hong Kong (HKG) - 62,000
    Shanghai (PVG) - 61,000
    Beijing (PEK) - 58,000
    Seoul (ICN) - 41,000
    Osaka (KIX) - 40,000
    Singapore (SIN) - 40,000
    Phuket (HKT) - 33,000
    Delhi (DEL) - 32,000
    Krabi (KBV) - 14,000
    Manila (MNL) - 10,000 (unserved)
    Kuala Lumpur (KUL) - 10,000 (unserved)
    Denpasar/Bali (DPS) - 8,000 (unserved)
    Mumbai (BOM) - 8,000 (unserved)

If these are correct figures, it seems that point-to-point traffic between Helsinki and Asia is pretty good.
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:19 pm

miaintl wrote:
sAS has reduced frequency to Mia to 3xweekly. Does anyone know why this is? Is the market declining and doing poorly?


Possibly related to rescheduling of A330s now that they are sending them to BOS.
 
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Sat Aug 26, 2017 6:54 am

Turkish Airlines (TK1761) Boeing 777-300ER en route to Helsinki from Istanbul. Why?
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Sat Aug 26, 2017 7:44 am

QuawerAir wrote:
Turkish Airlines (TK1761) Boeing 777-300ER en route to Helsinki from Istanbul. Why?


Pilgrim season or something like that. They have been sending both A330:s and A340:s to ARN the past week.
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Sat Aug 26, 2017 8:33 am

Spanish airline Vueling will add more flights to Helsinki in winter season 2017–2018

"Vueling has been operating the route between Barcelona and Helsinki previously in summer seasons. Now the Vueling route to the Nordic capital will be operated year around. Finland is an attractive destination for Spanish people. Between January and June, 2017 overnight stays recorded for Spanish visitors increased by 23,6 % compared to previous year, according to Statistics Finland. Vueling operates the flights to Finland on Mondays and Fridays except from January 9 to February 15, 2018."

Source: http://www.luchtzak.be/airlines/iag/vueling/flights-barcelona-helsinki-vueling/
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Sat Aug 26, 2017 10:58 am

Why is Emirates flying to CPH with a 615-seated Airbus A380 as the passenger load factor of CPH-DXB is only 73.0%?
In 2016, the PAX on the route was 319,324 but there were 437,715 seats available. However, EK has A380s with 489 and 517 seats.

Source for statistics: Eurostat
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Sat Aug 26, 2017 11:51 am

QuawerAir wrote:
Why is Emirates flying to CPH with a 615-seated Airbus A380 as the passenger load factor of CPH-DXB is only 73.0%?
In 2016, the PAX on the route was 319,324 but there were 437,715 seats available. However, EK has A380s with 489 and 517 seats.

Source for statistics: Eurostat


Average is not a good measuring stick, there can be high and low demand days, weeks or month. The 615 seat A380 are two class frames, less premium heavy and no crew rest. Perhaps a better fit and hardly more expensive in trip cost, than the 489 and 517 pax frames. Perhaps even a different lower MTOW for the 615 pax bird as it is used on medium to long haul.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Sat Aug 26, 2017 12:12 pm

QuawerAir wrote:
Why is Emirates flying to CPH with a 615-seated Airbus A380 as the passenger load factor of CPH-DXB is only 73.0%?
In 2016, the PAX on the route was 319,324 but there were 437,715 seats available. However, EK has A380s with 489 and 517 seats.

Source for statistics: Eurostat


I have taken this flight manytimes and most times the loadfactor has been in 90%
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Sat Aug 26, 2017 1:12 pm

QuawerAir wrote:
Spanish airline Vueling will add more flights to Helsinki in winter season 2017–2018

"Vueling has been operating the route between Barcelona and Helsinki previously in summer seasons. Now the Vueling route to the Nordic capital will be operated year around. Finland is an attractive destination for Spanish people. Between January and June, 2017 overnight stays recorded for Spanish visitors increased by 23,6 % compared to previous year, according to Statistics Finland. Vueling operates the flights to Finland on Mondays and Fridays except from January 9 to February 15, 2018."

Source: http://www.luchtzak.be/airlines/iag/vueling/flights-barcelona-helsinki-vueling/


GOT and OSL also upgraded to year around.
 
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Sat Aug 26, 2017 1:14 pm

QuawerAir wrote:
Why is Emirates flying to CPH with a 615-seated Airbus A380 as the passenger load factor of CPH-DXB is only 73.0%?
In 2016, the PAX on the route was 319,324 but there were 437,715 seats available. However, EK has A380s with 489 and 517 seats.

Source for statistics: Eurostat


Average load probably a bit lower.
DY is also flying CPH-DXB.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Sat Aug 26, 2017 1:48 pm

I read the article in Flygrorget.se regarding Cargo in ARN & OSL and did some research into the Nordic airports half year results.

CPH
No official press release, but trafikstyrelsen.dk states the following.
129.200t.
Newstodate quotes CPH that the growth is slightly less than 2%.

Is CPH including indirect flows into it's numbers as the overall numbers for 2016 is not in line with the directly flown statistics of trafikstyrelsen? CPH reported over 400.000t in 2016.

After some research, seems like many airports include indirect gods(trucked to/from) in it's numbers. ARN and OSL clearly states directly flown.
HEL and KEF does not state this but from the numbers it seems like directly flown only.

So could be diffucult to compare the five airports performance.

HEL
90.275t +2,7%
Source Finavia.fi statistics

ARN
88.721t +10,6%
Source Nestodate.aero

OSL
86.700t +32,7%
Source Flygtorget.se

KEF
25.228t +7,4%
Source Isavia.is statistics

http://newstodate.aero/?page=newsitem&news_id=23948

http://www.flygtorget.se/Aktuellt/Artikel/?Id=12245
 
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Sat Aug 26, 2017 4:02 pm

miaintl wrote:
sAS has reduced frequency to Mia to 3xweekly. Does anyone know why this is? Is the market declining and doing poorly?


Probably due to the upgrade on the Boston route mentioned a few posts up.

JetBuddy wrote:
The Privatair 737 has flown it's last flight on the CPH-BOS route, and SAS flew the A330 on the route yesterday.

https://finalcall.travel/da/farvel-tak- ... en-boston/
 
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Sat Aug 26, 2017 5:49 pm

QuawerAir wrote:
miaintl wrote:
SAS has reduced frequency to MIA to 3x weekly. Does anyone know why this is? Is the market declining and doing poorly?

I didn't notice that. It's strange that Finnair can make 3x weekly HEL-MIA work but SAS can't make 4x weekly service work even from CPH.


miaintl wrote:
MIa-hel is seasonal to Miami and I think SAS has an aircraft shortage. I mean how do you go from flying daily in the past 11 months and now suddenly drop to frequency to 3x weekly


It's probably not only about lack of demand, they will launch MIA-ARN in October, although only once a week. But while Finnair is the only carrier serving HEL-MIA, SAS faces competition from Norwegian on the routes to all Scandinavian capitals.

And yes, SAS only has 16 long haul aircraft so when they upgraded the BOS route, that aircraft would have to come from somewhere. But, they have more wide bodies on order sp we might se some expansion announced in a year or so. (If they decide to use the A350s for new routes and not as an opportunity to retire the A340s.)
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:04 am

Norwegien will start using the 737-8MAX on their longest 737 routes from ARN the coming winter: DXB and LPA. In addition to 2x weekly HEL

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... lm-in-w17/
Stockholm Arlanda – Dubai eff 31OCT17 6 weekly
Stockholm Arlanda – Gran Canaria/Las Palmas eff 31OCT17 7 weekly
Stockholm Arlanda – Helsinki eff 01NOV17 2 weekly
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:40 am

Possible strike at SAS as Pilot negotiations come to a halt. Both Norwegian Pilot Unions (NSF and SNF) and the Danish Pilot Union (DPF) are threatening with strike actions starting earliest September 11th if no agreement is reached.

http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/8255w/sas-piloter-hotar-med-strejk

http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/sas/sas-piloter-truer-med-streik/a/24127644/

Links in Swedish and Norwegian.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:07 am

Someone83 wrote:
Norwegien will start using the 737-8MAX on their longest 737 routes from ARN the coming winter: DXB and LPA. In addition to 2x weekly HEL

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... lm-in-w17/
Stockholm Arlanda – Dubai eff 31OCT17 6 weekly
Stockholm Arlanda – Gran Canaria/Las Palmas eff 31OCT17 7 weekly
Stockholm Arlanda – Helsinki eff 01NOV17 2 weekly

I guess DY/D8 will be using B737 MAX also on CPH-DXB and HEL-DXB as well as on flights from CPH, HEL and OSL to Canary Islands at some point.
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Mon Aug 28, 2017 4:08 pm

QuawerAir wrote:
If someone is interested:

Behramjee wrote last year in "QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13"-thread:

"HEL-Asia demand in 2015 was quite decent (point to point itself without transit). The numbers are as follows (round trip): "

    Bangkok (BKK) - 151,000
    Tokyo (NRT) - 92,000
    Dubai (DXB) - 68,000
    Hong Kong (HKG) - 62,000
    Shanghai (PVG) - 61,000
    Beijing (PEK) - 58,000
    Seoul (ICN) - 41,000
    Osaka (KIX) - 40,000
    Singapore (SIN) - 40,000
    Phuket (HKT) - 33,000
    Delhi (DEL) - 32,000
    Krabi (KBV) - 14,000
    Manila (MNL) - 10,000 (unserved)
    Kuala Lumpur (KUL) - 10,000 (unserved)
    Denpasar/Bali (DPS) - 8,000 (unserved)
    Mumbai (BOM) - 8,000 (unserved)

If these are correct figures, it seems that point-to-point traffic between Helsinki and Asia is pretty good.

Yes, these numbers are pretty good, but where AY can expand in Asia? There is not any unserved O/D market and one stop traffic to secondary cities is not easy business case.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Mon Aug 28, 2017 6:11 pm

armchairceonr1 wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
If someone is interested:

Behramjee wrote last year in "QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13"-thread:

"HEL-Asia demand in 2015 was quite decent (point to point itself without transit). The numbers are as follows (round trip): "

    Bangkok (BKK) - 151,000
    Tokyo (NRT) - 92,000
    Dubai (DXB) - 68,000
    Hong Kong (HKG) - 62,000
    Shanghai (PVG) - 61,000
    Beijing (PEK) - 58,000
    Seoul (ICN) - 41,000
    Osaka (KIX) - 40,000
    Singapore (SIN) - 40,000
    Phuket (HKT) - 33,000
    Delhi (DEL) - 32,000
    Krabi (KBV) - 14,000
    Manila (MNL) - 10,000 (unserved)
    Kuala Lumpur (KUL) - 10,000 (unserved)
    Denpasar/Bali (DPS) - 8,000 (unserved)
    Mumbai (BOM) - 8,000 (unserved)

If these are correct figures, it seems that point-to-point traffic between Helsinki and Asia is pretty good.

Yes, these numbers are pretty good, but where AY can expand in Asia? There is not any unserved O/D market and one stop traffic to secondary cities is not easy business case.

I think Finnair should focus more on transfer traffic than O/D traffic and open new destinations such as Busan, Chengdu, Sapporo, Nanjing, Hangzhou, Taipei etc. However, I am quite sure AY will fly to Manila, Kuala Lumpur and Mumbai (again) at some point.
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Tue Aug 29, 2017 11:19 am

Norwegian will increase Scandinavia-LAX with 50% the coming winter, offering 3x weekly from OSL. CPH and ARN

http://media.norwegian.com/#/pressrelea ... rrent_news
 
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Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:13 pm

Any news about Norwegian's possible long haul launch from Helsinki?

Freely translated:
"Coming to Helsinki is still in our [long haul] plan. So far we haven't had the needed capacity to start operations. I consider the possible launch to likely happen in 2018."

http://www.lentoposti.fi/uutiset/norwegian_suunnittelee_merkittavaa_kaukoreittiverkoston_kasvattamista_helsinki_mukana
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Tue Aug 29, 2017 2:46 pm

QuawerAir wrote:
Any news about Norwegian's possible long haul launch from Helsinki?

Freely translated:
"Coming to Helsinki is still in our [long haul] plan. So far we haven't had the needed capacity to start operations. I consider the possible launch to likely happen in 2018."

http://www.lentoposti.fi/uutiset/norwegian_suunnittelee_merkittavaa_kaukoreittiverkoston_kasvattamista_helsinki_mukana

Well for Asian flts Mr kjos has to convince Mr Putin
 
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Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:04 pm

Kikko19 wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
Any news about Norwegian's possible long haul launch from Helsinki?

Freely translated:
"Coming to Helsinki is still in our [long haul] plan. So far we haven't had the needed capacity to start operations. I consider the possible launch to likely happen in 2018."

http://www.lentoposti.fi/uutiset/norwegian_suunnittelee_merkittavaa_kaukoreittiverkoston_kasvattamista_helsinki_mukana

Well for Asian flts Mr kjos has to convince Mr Putin

Yes, you're right. However, it seems that DY plans flights first from HEL to North America. In addition, Kjos said last year: "Finnish people would deserve more flights to North America." According to Kjos, Asia is "only" a good option from HEL for the airline. He also said: "We will come to HEL with Boeing 787 Dreamliners due to long distances. Of course smaller aircraft (Boeing 737 MAX or A321LR) is also possible on some routes (maybe to India?)".
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Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:07 pm

I think GOT will be first in line
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:10 pm

QuawerAir wrote:
Kikko19 wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
Any news about Norwegian's possible long haul launch from Helsinki?

Freely translated:
"Coming to Helsinki is still in our [long haul] plan. So far we haven't had the needed capacity to start operations. I consider the possible launch to likely happen in 2018."

http://www.lentoposti.fi/uutiset/norwegian_suunnittelee_merkittavaa_kaukoreittiverkoston_kasvattamista_helsinki_mukana

Well for Asian flts Mr kjos has to convince Mr Putin

Yes, you're right. However, it seems that DY plans flights first from HEL to North America. In addition, Kjos said last year: "Finnish people would deserve more flights to North America." According to Kjos, Asia is "only" a good option from HEL for the airline. He also said: "We will come to HEL with Boeing 787 Dreamliners due to long distances. Of course smaller aircraft (Boeing 737 MAX or A321LR) is also possible on some routes (maybe to India?)".

Mr Kjos also needs Russian overflight permits for HEL-India or a Finnish AOC for the planes.
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Tue Aug 29, 2017 4:10 pm

kelvin933 wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
Kikko19 wrote:
Well for Asian flts Mr kjos has to convince Mr Putin

Yes, you're right. However, it seems that DY plans flights first from HEL to North America. In addition, Kjos said last year: "Finnish people would deserve more flights to North America." According to Kjos, Asia is "only" a good option from HEL for the airline. He also said: "We will come to HEL with Boeing 787 Dreamliners due to long distances. Of course smaller aircraft (Boeing 737 MAX or A321LR) is also possible on some routes (maybe to India?)".

Mr Kjos also needs Russian overflight permits for HEL-India or a Finnish AOC for the planes.



That he will just never get!! Russia only allows one airline in Europe pr. country to be designated Siberian overflying rights. Only exception in Europe is UK, but that's because of an old political deal with BA and Virgin. The LGW-SIN flight will not go through Siberia for that reason. As Scandinavia negotiates as one country, Russia regards Scandinavia as one country and only SK is permitted to use the overflying rights (single designated carrier).

So Kjos can get Finish AOC, paint the planes blue and white and speak in the parlament about potential jobs. He will just never be granted Siberia rights from HEL as long as AY is flying.

Therefore I also do not believe in the wet Swedish or Danish dreams of Norwegian opening more Asia traffic from ARN or CPH. If the governments of Scandinavia would suceed in renegotiate the deal to 3 separate Scandinavian countries, both Sweden and Denmark already have SAS designated as single carrier with HKG and PEK/PVG/NRT respectively.
There is no chance Russia will allow to airlines from ARN and CPH.

The only upside as I can se it must be for Norway and OSL, with no current designated carrier flying to Asia.

That will however block SAS from opening OSL-Asia.

So for all further Asian expansion, Norwegian will have to fly around Siberia, also from Finland.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Tue Aug 29, 2017 4:19 pm

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I think Finnair should focus more on transfer traffic than O/D traffic and open new destinations such as Busan, Chengdu, Sapporo, Nanjing, Hangzhou, Taipei etc. However, I am quite sure AY will fly to Manila, Kuala Lumpur and Mumbai (again) at some point.

I dont understand this, because Finnair traffic is already mostly transfer. All those destinations you mention are secondary cities and there is hardly any O/D traffic from Helsinki. Manila and Kuala Lumpur are also out of 24 hours rotation and likely leisure heavy dedstinations, hard to make money from there.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:19 pm

According to this thread viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1372403

It is very likely that CX will soon announce CPH-HKG.
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Tue Aug 29, 2017 8:57 pm

Let's hope CPH is indeed one of CX's new destinations. At the moment HK is probably the most important world city that CPH has no direct connection to?

That being said with the recent additions of SQ to ARN and AI to ARN&CPH, I've wondered recently what kind of routes would exist from HEL eastwards if AY didn't exist or didn't have much of a long-haul fleet. The situation would probably be equally depressing as in OSL.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Wed Aug 30, 2017 7:14 am

So, now AY has announced Nanjing, starting summer season next year. 3x weekly in summer and 2x weekly in winter.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Wed Aug 30, 2017 7:19 am

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So, now AY has announced Nanjing, starting summer season next year. 3x weekly in summer and 2x weekly in winter.


And STR will be back. :)
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Wed Aug 30, 2017 7:32 am

ilari wrote:
ilari wrote:
So, now AY has announced Nanjing, starting summer season next year. 3x weekly in summer and 2x weekly in winter.


And STR will be back. :)


LIS is added as well, in addition to increase of capacity and/or frequencies to: NRT, BKK, ORD, SFO, GDN, TLL, SVO, DEL, BCN, EDI, MAD, KEF, DUB, DBV, AGP, HER, CFU, TLV, BLL, VCE, CHQ, RHO, JSI og JTR


https://company.finnair.com/en/media/al ... id=2653487
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Wed Aug 30, 2017 7:52 am

Someone83 wrote:
ilari wrote:
ilari wrote:
So, now AY has announced Nanjing, starting summer season next year. 3x weekly in summer and 2x weekly in winter.


And STR will be back. :)


LIS is added as well, in addition to increase of capacity and/or frequencies to: NRT, BKK, ORD, SFO, GDN, TLL, SVO, DEL, BCN, EDI, MAD, KEF, DUB, DBV, AGP, HER, CFU, TLV, BLL, VCE, CHQ, RHO, JSI og JTR


https://company.finnair.com/en/media/al ... id=2653487


I am especially happy that ORD will go daily.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:50 am

Norwegian has returned one of their older 737-800s

Boeing 737 -8JP 37816 3194 LN-NOT Norwegian Air Norway ferried 27aug17 OSL-QLA prior return to lessor
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:44 am

HEL long haul traffic in S18

n/c = no change

HEL - BKK 10x weekly (+3)
HEL - CAN 4x weekly (n/c)
HEL - DEL 4x weekly (+1)
HEL - DOH 7x weekly (n/c)
HEL - FUK 3x weekly (n/c)
HEL - HKG 10x weekly (n/c)
HEL - ICN 7x weekly (n/c)
HEL - JFK 7x weekly (n/c)
HEL - KIX 7x weekly (n/c)
HEL - MIA 3x weekly (n/c)
HEL - NKG 3x weekly (NEW)
HEL - NGO 7x weekly (n/c)
HEL - NRT 21x weekly (+3)
HEL - ORD 7x weekly (+2)
HEL - PEK 7x weekly (n/c)
HEL - PVG 7x weekly (n/c)
HEL - SFO 3x weekly (extended summer season operation)
HEL - SIN 7x weekly (n/c)
HEL - XIY 3x weekly (n/c)

Total:
127 weekly flights
Approx. 18 daily flights
19 destinations with scheduled flights
ATL, AYT, FRA, FUE, HEL, JFK, LCA, LHR, MUC | AY, BA, DL, FH, LH, LO | A320, A321, A333, 752, 764, 772, 788
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:04 pm

QuawerAir wrote:
HEL long haul traffic in S18

n/c = no change

HEL - BKK 10x weekly (+3)
HEL - CAN 4x weekly (n/c)
HEL - DEL 4x weekly (+1)
HEL - DOH 7x weekly (n/c)
HEL - FUK 3x weekly (n/c)
HEL - HKG 10x weekly (n/c)
HEL - ICN 7x weekly (n/c)
HEL - JFK 7x weekly (n/c)
HEL - KIX 7x weekly (n/c)
HEL - MIA 3x weekly (n/c)
HEL - NKG 3x weekly (NEW)
HEL - NGO 7x weekly (n/c)
HEL - NRT 21x weekly (+3)
HEL - ORD 7x weekly (+2)
HEL - PEK 7x weekly (n/c)
HEL - PVG 7x weekly (n/c)
HEL - SFO 3x weekly (extended summer season operation)
HEL - SIN 7x weekly (n/c)
HEL - XIY 3x weekly (n/c)

Total:
127 weekly flights
Approx. 18 daily flights
19 destinations with scheduled flights

I think AY doesnt have enough frames to make this happen. AY have 11 a350 and 8 a333 next summer, but SIN take 2 Frames and HKG take 2,5 frames. Also AY need 2 frames to BKK.

e: Where you get HEL-DOH? I think AY doesnt fly there, its codeshare with QR.

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