AZa346
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Change of reg code of aircrafts upon delivery

Thu Feb 16, 2017 7:57 am

Hi there :)
I have noticed that when Airbus planes are flying out and about Toulouse for testing, they have s certain French registration which of course doesn't match the reg upon delivery, as most of the times the carriers are not French. Why can't they just put the final registration also for test flights? Does this happen in Hamburg and the US(the plant in Alabama, if I recall correctly) and with Boeing as well?
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Re: Change of reg code of aircrafts upon delivery

Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:22 am

All Airbus fly there test flights including CAF under test registration, including all FALs, BFM, TLS, TSN and XFW. Even frames delivered to french airlines change their registration # on delivery.
 
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Re: Change of reg code of aircrafts upon delivery

Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:26 am

Boeing have the same system. On bother Airbus and Boeing, the aircraft in testing carry test registrations often via a temporary "sticker".
Occasionally, the aircraft will also be delivered displaying the test reg which is applied with a sticker obscuring the painted on reg the plane will operate with.
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Re: Change of reg code of aircrafts upon delivery

Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:43 am

One thing I find interesting with this is how some countries require their flag be applied to aircraft registered there - including new aircraft that only have a temporary reg. It means you get an odd jumble of aircraft destined for other parts of the world, fully painted in the customers livery, with for example the German flag on it. Quite cool IMO.
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Re: Change of reg code of aircrafts upon delivery

Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:51 pm

The other matter is insurance. The aircraft is required to be registered to Airbus on test in case of an accident or damage during the initial test flights.
 
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Re: Change of reg code of aircrafts upon delivery

Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:17 pm

It's also a matter that an aircraft MUST be registered and display a registry mark in order to fly. Most authorities also specify a minimum size or sometimes even precise sizes and locations for the reg marks.
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Re: Change of reg code of aircrafts upon delivery

Thu Feb 16, 2017 3:11 pm

While all Airbus aircraft carry either French or German TEST registrations on all flights made before delivery even to French and German airlines, this is not the case with Boeing aircraft. So, for example, the majority of BA's Boeing aircraft have been test flown painted with their FUTURE British registration even though none has ever been placed on the British Register by the UK CAA until the actual day of delivery to BA.

Nevertheless some BA Boeing aircraft have carried US test registrations.

In a previous thread I queried why this was the case. Nevertheless nobody replied with an answer that addressed all my own observations. These observations are that if an aircraft is to be extensively flown for, for example, development purposes it is assigned a Boeing test registration. I have also noted that frames flown out of PAE or BFI for painting elsewhere have also been at least sometimes assigned a US registration before its flight to the paint shop. But I have yet to see any BA aircraft that, for example, was assembled at PAE and only test flown routing PAE-MWH-PAE or PAE-PAE carrying a US registration at any time or ever listed as having had or been assigned a Boeing test registration.

Take as an example BA's first 787-9. On 7 September 2015 787-9 CN 38616 made its first flight. This aircraft was in full BA livery. It was painted 'G-ZBKA'. It flew PAE-MWH (BOE362). Later that day it flew MWH-PAE (also BOE362). Then on 11 September it carried out a second rotation between PAE and MWH (again as BOE362). However the UK CAA web site clearly shows that this aircraft was not registered G-ZBKA until the day it was delivered to BA. namely 28 September 2015.

Nothing changed from the above for the next five BA 787-9s. Then came CN 38623. It was rolled out of the paint shop at PAE on 22 January 2016 painted with its FUTURE UK registration, 'G-ZBKG'. It made its first two flights on 5 February PAE-MWH and MWH-PAE (both BOE368) untapped and still painted 'G-ZBKG'. Then it made another test flight on 10 February. However it was now taped with a test registration N1792B. Additionally it had small 'EXPERIMENTAL' titles taped above the centre and aft end of Doors 1L and 1R. Further on 12 February Boeing reserved the registration N943BA for this aircraft but cancelled this reservation that same day.

On 22 February this aircraft was test flown PAE-PAE (BOE368) still taped 'N1792B' and 'EXPERIMENTAL'. By 3 March the taped registration and the above door title tapes had been removed but all the cabin window edges had been taped black and door edges taped yellow. Further test flights followed on 16 and 21 August after the aircraft had been parked on the Boeing flight line since 26 May awaiting delivery of cabin seats. On 23 August it was reported at PAE now taped 'N1006F', a registration I assume it used when it flew the two test flights in the preceding seven days. On 29 August the aircraft was delivered to BA. That day it was placed on the UK register as 'G-ZBKG' that it had first carried on a test flight over six months earlier.

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Re: Change of reg code of aircrafts upon delivery

Thu Feb 16, 2017 3:31 pm

AZa346 wrote:
Why can't they just put the final registration also for test flights? Does this happen in Hamburg and the US(the plant in Alabama, if I recall correctly) and with Boeing as well?


Simply comes down to the regulator, in the case of Airbus its EASA. Acceptance testing is closely regulated, and a post production flight test is a class 3 flight test. In order to conduct these tests the aircraft need to be EASA registered. Most countries in the world "accept" FAA or EASA certification. What this means is they do not have local regulations to cover the certification let alone the flight testing of an airliner. So the process they follow is to certify the aircraft as a EASA conforming aircraft, it has a EASA certificate of registration, then the aircraft is "exported" with the EASA certification which the state of registration accepts. Once accepted the local regulator can generate a local "certificate of airworthiness" and therefor be registered on the local register in with local registration mark.

This is just the way the aviation industry works, even part manufacture and acceptance have very rigid procedures which results in high cost of parts, but as a consequence as the safety benefit we have tractability of parts back to manufacture and batch.
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Re: Change of reg code of aircrafts upon delivery

Thu Feb 16, 2017 3:35 pm

Boeing and Airbus generally use paint to apply the planned registration mark while painting the customers livery. This explains why they both slap a decal over the top of those registrations with a test reg.
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Re: Change of reg code of aircrafts upon delivery

Thu Feb 16, 2017 3:43 pm

Even the A320's in Mobile carry German registrations.

Other than that the final registrations are painted on and just covered by a temp registration sticker.

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