Taco2sDay wrote:klm617 wrote:beerbus wrote:As someone who spent significant years at an Airline involved in the DTW market, and with Airport Authorities around the Ohio Valley, I can state that:
1. There is no " agenda" at DL against DTW. NW/DL have made significant capital investments in facilities, staff, and marketing to create the profit-generating operation they have there. There is no force within DL to rachet that investment down, or shift its assets elsewhere. To shift assets producing net profits in DTW to other markets would be a significant fiduciary failure on the part of DL Management.
2. The Wayne Count Airport Board does not, I REPEAT, does not have an agenda to prevent other carriers from entering DTW. The staff at Wayne County responsible for new entrants or new destinations will bust their tail to expand the airport's offerings, regardless of the carrier providing them. And I promise you they will work with anyone wanting to enter the market- regardless of what DL might think.
Face it- DTW is DL's hub and if someone tries to protect it, and they will retaliate, just as AA would do at DFW or CLT, or UA would do at ORD. It's an expensive proposition to enter someone else's HUB. It's a dog fight. When an OA came into our hub- we went to war. Entering DTW would be a tough road to hoe, just as it would be at DFW or CLT.
And lastly, most A.net posters seem to forgotten about connecting traffic. To make a new route successful in DTW, you have to consider not only the DEW between the potential city pair, you have to add-in the feed from outlying stations. If BA adds a flight to LHR, they are dependent upon local traffic. If DL adds a flight between DTW and LHR, they tap the local DEW PLUS the 1-2 passengers to LHR from each of the connecting cities in the bank that connects to the DTWLHR flight. Think SDF-DTW-LHR Those connections are what make the flight successful. DL has a powerful connecting base of upper midwest and ohio valley traffic built up via numerous historic NW connecting cities and the DL former CVG operation.
So unless a city pair has enough DEW's to produce enough profitable revenue without feed traffic, a financially driven (smart) carrier will NOT enter that market. A new international flight is a HUGE investment in equipment capital. Hence, foreign flag carriers will fly to ORD over DTW because the catchment traffic base is 2x as large. It has little to do with the Wayne County Airport Authority.
But here is the problem the more you pile on in Chicago the smaller the market gets so any new entrant into the Chicago market is actually competing for a lesser market share than it would in Detroit. You say the Chicago market is four times bigger than the Detroit market but yet has probably 10 to 20 times more international traffic so you do the math where does a new entrant have a better shot at having a bigger customer base Detroit would. Not only that according to your theory about hub carriers Chicago has two and there is no fear of new carriers entering that market. So if one new low cost carrier would enter the Detroit market with the 100% backing of the WCAA they have a much better chance of being successful at Detroit than they do at Chicago not having to fight for market share because they would own this market. I believe it's more of a ego thing saying our airline serves Chicago after all what would be the advantage of broadcasting that your airlines newest destination is Detroit even though you had the market to yourself there is no prestige in saying your airline serves Detroit and that's where the problem lies. As many times as Qatar said it was going to serve Detroit I wonder how aggressive the Airport authority rally was at landing this airline that was putting Detroit on blast as being a destination they were going to serve and they said it in a very matter a fact way.
Please accepy the fact that International Airlines want to serve a market with 10M people, multiple Fortune 500 companies, and no monopoly carrier
Here is a story about Detroit:
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1CDGO ... NYUl4Etkbc
Look at most dangerous cities. Gives an idea of what the rest of the country thinks. Huge population decline, high crime rate per 1,000 people. Makes Chicago look like a sunbelt city.
According to this list ATL is number 6 and it has the worlds busiest airport.