Acey559 wrote:When Obama came to Portland a couple summers ago there was a Bonanza that violated the TFR. Controller wasn't pleased, as you can imagine. This stuff happens. Granted having fighters scrambled isn't an everyday occurrence but this type of stuff is common to basically every president since TFRs came into existence.
wjcandee wrote:I understand that one important purpose of the Internet is to allow people to express views, no matter how stupid or ill-informed.
But having lived through a number of Presidents, all of whom were imperfect but all of whom tried to do their best for their country based upon their own view of what it needed, I really wish that people would treat the officeholder with appropriate respect for the office, even if they don't like the person. It's why ancient President Bush set the standard for how the outgoing guy treats the incoming guy, treating incoming President Clinton with such grace and respect, even though the Clintonites had gruesomely besmirched him in the campaign, that it made a lifelong impression on President Clinton, who later formed an enduring personal friendship with him.
I'm amused by the recent media stories about how this or that person or city or group is inconvenienced by Presidential travel. President Obama goes to Martha's Vineyard or Hawaii, and the locals bitch about the inconvenience and bored reporters write about it. Or today the New York Times discovered that there's a bubble around Air Force One that disrupts banner-towing services and crop-dusters when Trump travels, and tried mightily to differentiate Trump's travel from all those who came before (and all they came up with really seemed to be "We don't like him like we liked the last guy.") Or the stories about how much it costs for the President to travel.
Here in NYC, I seem to recall President Obama coming here practically weekly for fundraisers, causing a lot of disruption, because this is where the money is for candidates in his party. He's the President, he thinks he needs to do that, he does it, and I may grumble but I also accept it.
The bottom line is, I don't want my President hurt, regardless of whether I agree with what he is doing, because he's my President, and life here is a lot better than it would be for me anywhere else in the world. I like this country and any attack on him is an attack on all of us, regardless of who he or she is. And for all the trivial snarky bitching about what the President has to take with him, it turns out that until 9/11, it didn't all work that great and hadn't appropriately been modernized. President Bush gets on Air Force One in Florida after the attacks and discovers that its vaunted communications abilities were awesome for 1975 but not so great today, and that communicating was a challenging mess, and that everyone in the security apparatus had to do a lot of improvising because there really wasn't a great plan for where he should go or, more importantly, how to get him safely back to Washington, which is where he was determined to go despite the danger perceived by his advisors. So he ends up landing at Barksdale with fighters on each wing and is met by troops in full battle gear, and the commanding general of the Eighth Air Force at the foot of the stairs wearing a sidearm, while everyone proceeds to avail themselves of the communications facilities there. And when he comes to New York days later, he is met by cheering crowds lining West Street, none of whom had voted for him, as Mayor Guiliani famously pointed out. The guy was the President, and his presence here was very important, and he did a decent job of doing what needed to be done. What it costs to make sure he is ready and able to do that is, in my mind, basically irrelevant.
And it has to be that way and has to stay that way. Once the person is elected, he is ours for four years, and he needs unquestionably to travel, and I don't mind the expense or inconvenience of him doing that safely.
nitepilot79 wrote:Acey559 wrote:When Obama came to Portland a couple summers ago there was a Bonanza that violated the TFR. Controller wasn't pleased, as you can imagine. This stuff happens. Granted having fighters scrambled isn't an everyday occurrence but this type of stuff is common to basically every president since TFRs came into existence.
Right on. I posted a thread a couple weeks ago about the loss of separation between a private jet and AF1 outside of FLL and said in my op that that couldn't have been the first time this has happened to AF1. Should have been more clear on this thread. I'd attach a link, but it got too far back in the list of threads.
canyonblue17 wrote:I'm all for his safety. But I have a simple question. Is there anything he did/does at Mar-A-Lago for the good of the country that he can't do in Washington D.C.? I don't doubt that he is doing some work, but is it work that could be done elsewhere, thereby at least reducing the massive inconvenience to businesses and local residents?
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