globalcabotage wrote:

hkcanadaexpat wrote:

miaami wrote:

I think after August 22 2017 we will be seeing a number of MD-80s as well as a few 757 and 767 heading off into retirement

A 763ER (N387AM) has already headed that way last week. 8 more to go before year end.

That would be correct. Not the mass 21 plane retirement in one day, but quit a few.

ORD will be 767 and 777 free on international routes next year. Just a few daily from DFW/MIA for Deep South America planes that would otherwise sit on the ground all day.

JFK also will continue to see the 767, at least on the daily AA 44/45 JFK-CDG-JFK, and JFK-MIA-MIA at least once daily. And of course the 777 to LHR multiple times daily.

jgcotter wrote:

Another 757-200 retired to ROW today.

N174AA 5FN Oneworld livery
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL9664

That's an international 2002 build aircraft. Are they retiring those so soon as well?

Yea, that was my understanding as well, 2002 build international, which made the routing from TUL to ROW so surprising. It had just previously had three cancellations out of STT, then went straight to TUL for 21 days, then a test hop, then straight to ROW. Maybe it's at ROW for a paint touch up after some kind of maintenance at TUL. I'll watch it for a few weeks to see if it departs ROW.

jgcotter wrote:

Yea, that was my understanding as well, 2002 build international, which made the routing from TUL to ROW so surprising. It had just previously had three cancellations out of STT, then went straight to TUL for 21 days, then a test hop, then straight to ROW. Maybe it's at ROW for a paint touch up after some kind of maintenance at TUL. I'll watch it for a few weeks to see if it departs ROW.

Maybe it's there for wi-fi installation? Though honestly I have no idea what city AA is doing that at.

Hmmm, that could be. I thought that was being done in Mobile at BFM, but I may be mistaken.

Two E140s; N808AE and N817AE are back in business with Envoy.

jgcotter wrote:

Hmmm, that could be. I thought that was being done in Mobile at BFM, but I may be mistaken.

Regional Wi-Fi install had been getting done at ROW so its possible.

Another young 757 sent to ROW

N179AA 5FP
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL9660

Anyone knows if any more a/c will be delivered in the OneWorld scheme?

Does anyone know if these two ~15 year old 757's were due for a heavy maintenance check? I know AA seems to base their 757 retirements not based on a plane's age or total cycles, but whether or not it's due for a HM check (C or D).

If they were, they're probably going to be junked soon since nobody wants 757's with winglets these days (not economical for freight).

TriniA340 wrote:

Anyone knows if any more a/c will be delivered in the OneWorld scheme?

Maybe a 737 MAX 8 will get a OneWorld livery, seeing how many 738s have it.

Personally, I hope an A321neo and 787-9 get it.

Another 737-800 delivered!

N344PP (3PP)

738 Fleet now at 297.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N344PP

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Also, the tail/fleet numbers of the first several 737 MAX 8s are now public.

N324RA (3RA)
N304RB (3RB)
N306RC (3RC)
N308RD (3RD)
N303RE (3RE)
N310RF (3RF)
N303RG (3RG)
N314RH (3RH)
N315RJ (3RJ)

AA's first 738-MAX made its first flight this weekend at Boeing

http://boeing-test-flights.blogspot.com ... lines.html

Looks like I was wrong - N174AA just went to VQQ, I'm guessing to be hacked to bits and become a freighter:

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N174AA

I thought that wingleted 757's were not desirable freighters - I guess not!

Also, this is more evidence that 757's and 767's built between 1999-2004 are undesirable as pax aircraft- must be bad parts associated with the interior or control cables (these are all ripped out and sent to the landfill during the freighter "conversion"/destruction process).

This two 757 are leased from Wilmington Thrust, as is N178AA.
Probably they decided not to renew the agreement.

Another MD-80 ferried to ROW for retirement

N434AA 434
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL9661

1989worstyear wrote:

Also, this is more evidence that 757's and 767's built between 1999-2004 are undesirable as pax aircraft- must be bad parts associated with the interior or control cables (these are all ripped out and sent to the landfill during the freighter "conversion"/destruction process).

More likely these are the most desirable for freighters since they are fairly young for 757/767s. If a pax airline is planning on retiring the fleets anyways can be smart to get rid of the young(er) birds while they are still worth something in the 2nd hand market.

miaami wrote:

Another MD-80 ferried to ROW for retirement

N434AA 434
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL9661

Ridden on 434 a few times. May she enjoy retirement!

1989worstyear wrote:

I thought that wingleted 757's were not desirable freighters - I guess not!

This changed fairly recently as there are now STCs available for winglet fitted 757 freighters... so far I think around 10 aircraft are in service as freighters with winglets. Operating for; Asia Pacific Airlines, ASL Airlines, Blue Dart Aviation, Cargojet Airways & DHL - at least according to https://www.planespotters.net/production-list/Boeing/757/757-200

Slightly off topic for this thread, but have any A330-300 retirement timelines been announced yet?

FSDan wrote:

Slightly off topic for this thread, but have any A330-300 retirement timelines been announced yet?

I think they all go bye bye in 2018

Some 757 retirements today

3 flights from MIA-ROW
N606AA 5EA
N676AN 5EH
N677AN 5EJ
1 flight from TUL-ROW
N178AA 5FR

caribair wrote:

This two 757 are leased from Wilmington Thrust, as is N178AA.
Probably they decided not to renew the agreement.

Thrust or Trust?

miaami wrote:

Some 757 retirements today

3 flights from MIA-ROW
N606AA 5EA
N676AN 5EH
N677AN 5EJ
1 flight from TUL-ROW
N178AA 5FR

Terrible thing...... I didn't think 606 would go since it was painted in the new scheme. Those birds have many years of life left with someone.

N606AA is 2 years older than the other 2 757s being retired, so it's not surprising.

I'm still confused about why they seem to be retiring 2002-build internationally-configured aircraft.

OB1504 wrote:

N606AA is 2 years older than the other 2 757s being retired, so it's not surprising.

I'm still confused about why they seem to be retiring 2002-build internationally-configured aircraft.

American Airlines sold 10 young Boeing 757s for Freighter conversion . Customer is either SF Airlines or YTO Airlines with Boeing acting as a middle man .

http://aviationweek.com/awincommercial/ ... rican-757s

http://aviationweek.com/commercial-avia ... oeing-757s

A win win for all involved as the frames will fly for many more years instead of being scrapped for parts

Which 10?

Jo8338 wrote:

Which 10?

I don't know the regs, but I would say probably the domestic LAA757s and ex-US/HP 757s that are due for retirement by the end of this year. Or maybe other domestic 757s that left the fleet already, I'm not so sure. American has now less than 50 757s left, and the plan is to have just 34 of them by the end of this year: 24 LAA International 757s (JFK-Europe and MIA-South America routes) and 10 ex-US International 757s that will be based out of PHX for Hawaii flights. I could be wrong, but that's what I'm thinking regarding the 757 fleet. As of early 2018 the only domestic flights that will still see the 757 will be JFK-MIA-JFK and PHX-Hawaii routes, and maybe BOS-MIA. Because I don't think that LAX, CLT, PHL, ORD and DFW will still see the 757 in 2018 unless of course there is a last minute equipment sub.
I recently flew on N188AN from CDG to JFK, very nice aircraft. I was seated in seat 10F which was very comfy. The airplane was nicely refurbished with the new paint and the new seats. One of my nicest flights on the 757.

Ben Soriano

Another 757 retirement

N602AN 5DV
to be ferried MIA-ROW today as AA 9651

I could see 757s working ORD-MIA next year, from late March through early April, to deal with increased loads during spring break. I've seen spring break schedules with 752s, 763s, and even 772s, displacing many of the 738s.

ckfred wrote:

I could see 757s working ORD-MIA next year, from late March through early April, to deal with increased loads during spring break. I've seen spring break schedules with 752s, 763s, and even 772s, displacing many of the 738s.

The new MAXes will help in that regard. The INTL configured 176 seaters aren't the best for trunk domestic routes.

jgcotter wrote:

Yea, that was my understanding as well, 2002 build international, which made the routing from TUL to ROW so surprising. It had just previously had three cancellations out of STT, then went straight to TUL for 21 days, then a test hop, then straight to ROW. Maybe it's at ROW for a paint touch up after some kind of maintenance at TUL. I'll watch it for a few weeks to see if it departs ROW.

It's a return to lease.

Jo8338 wrote:

Which 10?

N602AN (1995)
N606AA (1996)
N676AN (1998)
N677AN (1998)
N678AN (1998)
N679AN (1999)
With the old Domestic configuration and the three from the WhilmingtonTrust Co Lease end with international configuration,
N178AA (2002)
N174AA (2002)
N179AA (2002)
are nine of them.

B738 N907NN/3JS is in the paint shop at GUS for new livery. By my count I show 28 remaining 738s in old livery.

With the recent retirements I show 1 x 767s and 3 x 757s remaining in old livery.

jgcotter wrote:

B738 N907NN/3JS is in the paint shop at GUS for new livery. By my count I show 28 remaining 738s in old livery.

That agrees with the list at https://sites.google.com/site/newameric ... 8-standard

I wonder which will be the last to be repainted (not counting N921NN/3KG which I seem to recall is to be kept as a retrojet in light of it being the last delivery in bare metal, presumably with new titles in the same fashion as the others?)

V/F

VirginFlyer wrote:

I wonder which will be the last to be repainted (not counting N921NN/3KG which I seem to recall is to be kept as a retrojet in light of it being the last delivery in bare metal, presumably with new titles in the same fashion as the others?

N905NN/3JP kept the 1950s American titles, so I think N921NN/3KG might keep the classic ones too.

More MD-80 retirements today

N7514A 514
to be ferried from DFW to ROW tonight

2 from ORD to ROW
N437AA 437
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL9643

N566AA 566
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL9642

miaami wrote:

More MD-80 retirements today

N7514A 514
to be ferried from DFW to ROW tonight

2 from ORD to ROW
N437AA 437
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL9643

N566AA 566
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL9642

Keep them coming! I know it is blasphemous to say it on here, but I don't like the MD-80's. They are archaic and outdated. AA needs to accelerate the retirement of them.

caribair wrote:

This two 757 are leased from Wilmington Thrust, as is N178AA.
Probably they decided not to renew the agreement.

Wilmington Trust doesn't own or lease airplanes. The airplanes are leased from Infinity Aviation; the terms for their return were negotiated in the bankruptcy process four years ago.

Request for Aircraft Records
FAA REGISTRY
N178AA is Assigned
Serial Number 32398 Status Valid
Manufacturer Name BOEING Certificate Issue Date 06/27/2013
Model 757-223
Registered Owner
Name WILMINGTON TRUST CO
Street 1100 N MARKET ST
Interested to learn how that works with Infinity Aviation as the leasing agent.

jgcotter wrote:

Request for Aircraft Records
FAA REGISTRY
N178AA is Assigned
Serial Number 32398 Status Valid
Manufacturer Name BOEING Certificate Issue Date 06/27/2013
Model 757-223
Registered Owner
Name WILMINGTON TRUST CO
Street 1100 N MARKET ST
Interested to learn how that works with Infinity Aviation as the leasing agent.

Wilmington Trust is Owner Trustee. Infinity Aviation MSN 32398 LLC is the owner. If Wilmington Trust, Wells Fargo, US Bank, et al had exposure to all of the airplanes they registered, they would have been bankrupt a long time ago. The "registered owner" on the USCAR may not be the actual owner. AerCap leases a lot of airplanes, but as a foreign entity, the airplanes are placed in trust with a US trust company.

Thank you for the explanation. I wondered how that worked. Very interesting and makes sense.

B738 N858NN / 3GN is in the paint shop at GUS for new livery. By my count I show 27 remaining 738s in old livery.

Is AA retiring the 75H and keeping the 75E?

Swadian wrote:

Is AA retiring the 75H and keeping the 75E?

Wouldn't it be the other way around? The 75H is the new LUS Hawaii configuration with Main Cabin Extra and the 75E is the old LUS transatlantic configuration.

N259NN, Envoy's 40th E175E, was delivered today!

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N259 ... /KFLL/KDFW

Until this recent wave of 757 retirements, AA had 48 757s in service: 5 LUS 75Es, 10 LUS 75Hs, 26 LAA 75Ls, and 7 LAA 75Ds (two still in the old 22/160 configuration and five in the newer 24/160 configuration). Of the five aircraft that have been retired in the past week, 5DV, 5EA, and 5EH were 75Ds (24/160), 5EJ (75D 22/160), and 5FR was a 75L. So these retirements don't effect the LUS fleet, but lower the overall fleet count to 43 aircraft, including: 5 75Es, 10 75Hs, 25 75Ls, and 3 75Ds (2 24/160, 1 22/160).

With the above posted MD-80 retirements the MD-80 fleet count now stands at 49.

The 763 fleet stands at 30 a/c (24 28/181—new J, and 6 30/188—old NGBC J).

OB1504 wrote:

Swadian wrote:

Is AA retiring the 75H and keeping the 75E?

Wouldn't it be the other way around? The 75H is the new LUS Hawaii configuration with Main Cabin Extra and the 75E is the old LUS transatlantic configuration.

Apparently they're retiring the 75H and putting 75Es on the Hawaii routes and 75Ls on the Atlantic routes: http://viewfromthewing.boardingarea.com ... s-unhappy/.

Swadian wrote:

OB1504 wrote:

Swadian wrote:

Is AA retiring the 75H and keeping the 75E?

Wouldn't it be the other way around? The 75H is the new LUS Hawaii configuration with Main Cabin Extra and the 75E is the old LUS transatlantic configuration.

Apparently they're retiring the 75H and putting 75Es on the Hawaii routes and 75Ls on the Atlantic routes: http://viewfromthewing.boardingarea.com ... s-unhappy/.

With the recent cuts at JFK, the second daily flight to CDG and the daily flight to MAN, at least a couple of International 757s will be available to be reassigned on other routes. Because, although the 75H fleet is now being retired, the 75L fleet is not leaving anytime soon. I believe that JFK-MAD will be downgraded back to the 757, correct me if I'm wrong about that. I know BOS-CDG is seasonal, summer only.